[cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

2007-02-25 Thread Brett Payne-Rhodes

Hi Ryan,

You should avoid having the controller making database calls if at all 
possible. The controller is like any good manager - knows what is going on and 
what is supposed to happen next, but never gets his hands dirty!

The controller knows only that there is something to be done, and probably 
knows what it needs to be done to (via URL or form variables)... So in calling 
the 'model' it should simply be specifying the what and the who, the model 
should be responsible for handling the how - including doing it's own database 
calls as necessary. And if that means that for some reason you wind up with the 
call being done twice for some good business reason, then unless it is a 
*really* high traffic site then take the hit and keep the two parts of the 
application independent. That goes for the 'view' as well.

This took me a while to come to terms with but once you get it straight it 
works quite well.

Brett
B)


Ryan Sabir wrote:
 Thanks Robin,
  
 That all makes sense, but here's the bit I think I've missed... how do I 
 specify the variable name the controller sets up for the view.
  
 At the moment in my model, a query looks like this:
  
 cfquery name=qEvent ..etc
  
 In this case the model itself is setting the name of the variable. How do I 
 get the controller to specify this?
  
 Is it as simple as setting a request variable in the controller 
 'request.eventObjectName' and passing that down the line? That means I'll 
 have to evaluate() it at run time, a possible performance hit.
  
 Or is there a FuseBox structure that can hold this object until its needed?
  
 thanks.
  
 
 
 
 
 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin 
 Hilliard
 Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 4:43 PM
 To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question
 
 
 On 23/02/2007, at 1:55 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:
 This seems to me to be breaking the whole modularity of my solution, as the 
 view is expecting a query object named 'qGetEvent', in order to display its 
 data. I feel like I've missed something fundamental in the Fusebox docs that 
 will explain to me how to pass that query object down the line as a generic 
 object, ratehr than a specifically named variable.
  
 Whats the trick?
 
 
 Hi Ryan,
 
 
 You have to have _some_ dependencies in an application to make it work, the 
 trick is to eliminate the most harmful ones.  Dependencies from the UI back 
 to the business logic/data (as you have here) are fine, as long as the 
 variable name the controller sets up for the view stays fixed - as long as 
 the control stuff doesn't need to know anything else about the view you're 
 fine. 
 
 
 It's like using a post office box to send a letter to someone...
 
 
 (you don't know who and don't want to know)
 
 
 ...you agree on the format of the letter...
 
 
 (value objects, query column names and types)
 
 
 ...and a post office box.
 
 
 (a variable name). 
 
 
 When you have a letter to send you drop it into the post office box, and you 
 don't care or know if anyone picks it up.  
 
 
 What you avoid doing this is having to address the letter to a specific, 
 concrete individual... 
 
 
 (this would be like rendering bits of html or calling a function or tag 
 specific
  to the current incarnation of the UI)
 
 
 ...from the UI...
 
 
 (a flighty crowd with high staff turnover - UI and other interfaces
 change far more often than business logic)
 
 
 ...if you did that, you'd have to keep changing your process to address the 
 letter, impacting your otherwise highly reusable letter addressing process.
 
 


--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Darren Tracey

At the risk of igniting this any further, my original objection was
more to do with the fact that the page that Scott originally linked to
has 5 links at the top of the list that are CF related (which is
good), but they are all Live Webcasts, available at specific times
only, each one occuring once over the next 2 weeks.
All the other links on the page are Not CF specific, or even relevant,
but are just plain convert to .Net material, and are either On
Demand Webcasts or Virtual Labs, and are convieniently available
any time you want, as often as you want, and not just at 5am on
Tuesday morning.
I'll be checking back to the site after the first couple are done to
see if the recordings of the CF sessions are offered On Demand after
the sessions.

We need to be encouraging more people out there to start taking up CF
as a language, not pointing out to the developers we currently have
that their nearest exit may be behind them.
There is a shortage of developers out there at the moment, and there
are businesses clammouring to get them.
If you have a desperate desire to learn .Net, there are places that
you'll be able to find on the net that will show you how to do that,
and the Australian ColdFusion mailing list shouldn't be one of them.
Converting developers to be .Net developers is Microsoft's job, not
the ColdFusion community's.
Postings that promote people to go to .Net shouldn't be accepted here,
as you can bet that CF promotion isn't tolerated on any .Net lists.
Even posts that wrap the convert message up in an ever so polite just
helping you out veneer.

Darren
Who'd like to get his own popcorn and jaffas when he gets a chance.

On Feb 23, 6:06 pm, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well said Charlie :)

 Just going out on a limb here, but ol Adobe must of had a reason to
 make Coldfusion 8 interop with .NET.



--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

2007-02-25 Thread Robin Hilliard
(Sitting here burning DVDs for tomorrow's Flex course, may as well  
answer this now :-)

On 25/02/2007, at 1:45 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:
 Thanks Robin,

 That all makes sense, but here's the bit I think I've missed... how  
 do I specify the variable name the controller sets up for the view.
...
  Is it as simple as setting a request variable in the controller  
 'request.eventObjectName' and passing that down the line?

Yes, that's pretty much it at it's essence - you all agree on the  
names of the variables and their contents, and that becomes the  
interface/contract/post box number shared by the business logic and  
the view - you could write it down in some code comments if you  
wanted it to feel a bit more like a real interface, or you could make  
a 'model' cfc that you put in the request scope (or even in the  
session scope if scaling to a cluster is unlikely - I suggested this  
in my last Webdu talk with stateful view helper cfcs) to make the  
property names more formal.

This is all in complete ignorance of how the more recent versions of  
Fusebox pass data to the view.  But regardless, if I was doing a  
vanilla MVC-style CF app, I'd be doing the above.

 That means I'll have to evaluate() it at run time, a possible  
 performance hit.

I don't see why unless its something Fusebox specific - firstly the  
variable names shouldn't be changing (that's the point, the model  
variable names will outlive the current incarnation of the view code  
so there's no harm in the view hard coding these variable names for  
the duration of it's relatively short and brutish life), and secondly  
there's always the [ ] notation for accessing stuff in a scope or  
struct.

Ah, the last DVD finished, I am going to bed :)

Robin



__

Robin Hilliard
Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd
Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training
http://www.rocketboots.com.au

For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins:
w+61 7 5451 0362
m+61 419 677 151
f+61 3 9923 6261
e[EMAIL PROTECTED]

or Direct:
m+61 418 414 341
e[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

2007-02-25 Thread Adam Chapman
Hi Ryan,

 

If your model code was encapsulated in cfcs, you could name your queries
in the controller.. this is how I do it.

 

set name=qGetEvent
value=#application.myQueriesCfc.getEvent(myArgument='value')# /

 

Cheers,

Adam

 

 

  _  

From: Ryan Sabir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 25 February 2007 1:45 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

 

Thanks Robin,

 

That all makes sense, but here's the bit I think I've missed... how do I
specify the variable name the controller sets up for the view.

 

At the moment in my model, a query looks like this:

 

cfquery name=qEvent ..etc

 

In this case the model itself is setting the name of the variable. How
do I get the controller to specify this?

 

Is it as simple as setting a request variable in the controller
'request.eventObjectName' and passing that down the line? That means
I'll have to evaluate() it at run time, a possible performance hit.

 

Or is there a FuseBox structure that can hold this object until its
needed?

 

thanks.

 

 


  _  


From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard
Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 4:43 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

On 23/02/2007, at 1:55 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:

This seems to me to be breaking the whole modularity of
my solution, as the view is expecting a query object named 'qGetEvent',
in order to display its data. I feel like I've missed something
fundamental in the Fusebox docs that will explain to me how to pass that
query object down the line as a generic object, ratehr than a
specifically named variable.

 

Whats the trick?

 

Hi Ryan,

 

You have to have _some_ dependencies in an application to make
it work, the trick is to eliminate the most harmful ones.  Dependencies
from the UI back to the business logic/data (as you have here) are fine,
as long as the variable name the controller sets up for the view stays
fixed - as long as the control stuff doesn't need to know anything else
about the view you're fine. 

 

It's like using a post office box to send a letter to someone...

 

(you don't know who and don't want to know)

 

...you agree on the format of the letter...

 

(value objects, query column names and types)

 

...and a post office box.

 

(a variable name). 

 

When you have a letter to send you drop it into the post office
box, and you don't care or know if anyone picks it up.  

 

What you avoid doing this is having to address the letter to a
specific, concrete individual... 

 

(this would be like rendering bits of html or calling a function
or tag specific

 to the current incarnation of the UI)

 

...from the UI...

 

(a flighty crowd with high staff turnover - UI and other
interfaces

change far more often than business logic)

 

...if you did that, you'd have to keep changing your process to
address the letter, impacting your otherwise highly reusable letter
addressing process.

 

(i.e. your business logic)

 

 







If this sort of analogy appeals and you'd like to hear more,
this is pretty much an extract from my MAX Asia architecture talk that
I'm repeating at WebDU next month.  It's about MVC and Flex but applies
to ColdFusion too.

 

Cheers,

Robin

 

__

 

Robin Hilliard

Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd

Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training

http://www.rocketboots.com.au

 

For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins:

w+61 7 5451 0362

m+61 419 677 151

f+61 3 9923 6261

e[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

or Direct:

m+61 418 414 341

e[EMAIL PROTECTED]





 

 

BR


--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Mark Stanton

 Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
 to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
 exchanged

Good to see someone over there knows what the word means...

(Why oh why am I getting drawn into this tragedy/comedy.)

On 2/23/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well said Charlie :)

 Just going out on a limb here, but ol Adobe must of had a reason to
 make Coldfusion 8 interop with .NET.

 Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
 to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
 exchanged

 Did you know JJ Allaire works for MSFT - does that mean he has to hand
 in his Coldfusion badge too?



 On 2/23/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey, wait, why am I being pulled into this? :-)
 
  While I did record videos on that topic for MS while I was with New Atlanta,
  I am not involved in this upcoming webcast Scott has mentioned. I imagine
  someone from New Atlanta may be repeating what I did before, of course.
 
  And FWIW, I will note that it's about how to integrate CFML and .NET. It's
  not at all about how to move off CFML to .NET. I'll admit that the crux of
  that campaign is of that sort. When I was first asked to do it (almost a
  year ago exactly), I was a little put off by the how to move off
  JSP/PHP/CFM nature of the campaign. Fortunately, I was able to offer the
  talk I did which was much LESS about leaving and just about making the most
  of the two together. It was kind of a stealth move, I felt.
 
  I can't see the new webcasts being any different, so that's at least some
  consolation to those who see any connection as fraternizing with the
  enemy. That said, .NET is a platform. Just as CFMX (and BlueDragon Server,
  and Railo) is built atop Java, BD.NET is built atop .NET. One need not
  leave CFML to get the benefits of that platform.
 
  But I'll leave it at that. I'm not trying to sell anything either. I have
  no vested interest in the topic other than to share it as a technical
  opportunity for those who could benefit. Indeed, it's why I joined the
  company 4 years ago in April (when I had been shown an early alpha of
  BD.NET, and after watching BD and its predecessor TagServlet for a couple
  years before that).
 
  But then you see also one of the reasons I chose to move on from the role
  and become independent again! :-) Frankly I got tired of the bickering that
  often arose over any attempts to show this alternative. I knew it was a
  compelling alternative for those who had the problems it solved, and I could
  very successfully demonstrate it to those who gave it serious consideration.
  And indeed, BD and New Atlanta do continue evolving the product since I left
  in April, and are about to announce BD 7. With Railo also offering CF7
  functionality in a new beta, and the Smith project coming along, there are
  clearly plenty of demonstrations of the strength of CFML in the market.
 
  And now with CF8 coming out with really great new features, it really is a
  great time to be in CFML. I for one am very happy to be free to look into
  any and all possibilities. As always, I'm just looking for solutions to
  problems for my clients, regardless of who can provide them. And that goes
  for .NET, too. :-) It's not a zero-sum game, folks. There's a place for
  everyone and everything. Just pick what solves your problems, but be open
  always to alternatives. That may be all Scott means also.
 
  But trust me--I understand the sensitivity of bringing up .NET in a CF list.
  It's like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. It doesn't matter that
  there is no fire. It's just about being sensitive to the way crowds respond.
  :-)
 
  And I should add that my talk and preconference seminar at WebDU will apply
  100% to CFMX users! :-)
 
  /Charlie
  http://www.carehart.org/blog/
 
  -Original Message-
  From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
  Of Robin Hilliard
  Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:42 PM
  To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).
 
 
  On 23/02/2007, at 12:10 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
   Now if we/you want to play the whole MSFT is Selling card again, go
   for it, but count me out this time ;)
 
  Hm, perhaps it's the learn2asp.net and Campaign in the url that
  suggested to some people that this was a selling kinda thing...
 
  Might I suggest http://billsdevlounge.org/ charliesexcellentbdstuff.cfm?
  :-)
 
  Robin
 
 
  
 


 --
 Regards,
 Scott Barnes
 http://www.mossyblog.com

 



-- 
Mark Stanton
Gruden Pty Ltd
http://www.gruden.com

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 

[cfaussie] Re: Free webDU tickets

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

Agree with the Hilliard, you missed the mark my good man ;)

On 2/26/07, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 26/02/2007, at 12:26 AM, Darren Tracey wrote:
  Microsoft is not an evil empire.

 Sorry Darren, that was only 144 words - that gets you three pairs of
 Microsoft Sparkle Speedos for the duration of the conference, which
 might not be a good idea in Autumn.

 Robin

 



-- 
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

I agree and disagree :)

- I agree the CF community should be grown further and you may ask
hang on doesn't that throw into the face of ASP.NET to which I say
yes, but at the same time it has potential to grow the Windows 2003
Server + MSSQL + IIS market some more.

- I disagree there should be a blanket zero tolerance on .NET overall,
as to be openly honest I've had to deal with a lot of .NET integration
with Coldfusion in the past (mainly through COM Objects / CFX Tags or
SOAP) - painful. Now that Coldfusion 8 is pushing the integration,
maybe we can lift the lid on a few things that compliment the
developer out there instead of annoy. There was a reason for Adobe to
put .NET into CFCOMPONENT tag.

- When I posted my previous thread about Microsoft Love, I got an
alarming number of offline users emailing me that they were curious to
expand further into ASP.NET for a number of reasons. Firstly,
understanding the beast, Secondly to up skill their resume some more
and Thirdly, they've reached a peek with Coldfusion and are looking to
jump ship.

Now like it or lump it that's the truth of the matter and while at
heart Coldfusion is a great language (I'm still fighting my own
internal battles with ASP.NET as frankly, I still refer to Coldfusion
as being easier to mould into place) the job market is overwhelming
for the ASP.NET guy out there. People have bills to pay so if some CF
developers want to expand further, I'll help them - something I've
done in the past pre-Microsoft as who am I to judge what is right and
wrong.

- You're underestimating the collective intelligence of everyone here,
as Microsoft means many things to many people, not just ASP.NET. The
link I posted was more focused on interop then migration, but having
said that there is migration path should someone *CHOOSE* to want it.
CFAUSSIE isn't an Adobe run mailing list its been around many years
and we've had all walks of life and flavoured posts to it some have
been relevant other times its been utter crap. What your doing now is
blatantly obvious in that its either 100% adobe or go away which
you'll find people generally aren't subscribing to (unless you have
strong affiliation with Adobe, such as CFUG, or consultancy etc).

- ASP.NET lists, you know I actually don't belong to any as yet. I've
been meaning to so I really can't speak on their behalf. Suffice to
say, have you tried this approach yet? or are you more inclined to sit
back and assume it will be the way things will pan out. You won't know
until you try so, you're a CFUG guy, give it a whirl and let us all
know on how it goes.

I've stated all along and I'll state it again, if you have a
presentation that compliments Microsoft products (keep in mind our
entire product range is quite extensive) then let me know and ill
nominate you for a session at this years TechEd 07 (MSFT's version of
WebDU I guess).

In closing, Microsoft has a lot of products on offer and I represent a
lot of them so its too dangerous of me to focus on being a pure
ASP.NET marketer as thats not relevant to even the ASP.NET developers
themselves. The best I can do is offer up potential solution pieces
and its your call on how you can string them together.

You need to move past this Microsoft is up to no good angle, as its
getting silly.

On 2/25/07, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At the risk of igniting this any further, my original objection was
 more to do with the fact that the page that Scott originally linked to
 has 5 links at the top of the list that are CF related (which is
 good), but they are all Live Webcasts, available at specific times
 only, each one occuring once over the next 2 weeks.
 All the other links on the page are Not CF specific, or even relevant,
 but are just plain convert to .Net material, and are either On
 Demand Webcasts or Virtual Labs, and are convieniently available
 any time you want, as often as you want, and not just at 5am on
 Tuesday morning.
 I'll be checking back to the site after the first couple are done to
 see if the recordings of the CF sessions are offered On Demand after
 the sessions.

 We need to be encouraging more people out there to start taking up CF
 as a language, not pointing out to the developers we currently have
 that their nearest exit may be behind them.
 There is a shortage of developers out there at the moment, and there
 are businesses clammouring to get them.
 If you have a desperate desire to learn .Net, there are places that
 you'll be able to find on the net that will show you how to do that,
 and the Australian ColdFusion mailing list shouldn't be one of them.
 Converting developers to be .Net developers is Microsoft's job, not
 the ColdFusion community's.
 Postings that promote people to go to .Net shouldn't be accepted here,
 as you can bet that CF promotion isn't tolerated on any .Net lists.
 Even posts that wrap the convert message up in an ever so polite just
 helping you out veneer.

 Darren
 Who'd like to get his own 

[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

hehehehe


On 2/26/07, Mark Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
  to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
  exchanged

 Good to see someone over there knows what the word means...

 (Why oh why am I getting drawn into this tragedy/comedy.)

 On 2/23/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well said Charlie :)
 
  Just going out on a limb here, but ol Adobe must of had a reason to
  make Coldfusion 8 interop with .NET.
 
  Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
  to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
  exchanged
 
  Did you know JJ Allaire works for MSFT - does that mean he has to hand
  in his Coldfusion badge too?
 
 
 
  On 2/23/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey, wait, why am I being pulled into this? :-)
  
   While I did record videos on that topic for MS while I was with New 
   Atlanta,
   I am not involved in this upcoming webcast Scott has mentioned. I imagine
   someone from New Atlanta may be repeating what I did before, of course.
  
   And FWIW, I will note that it's about how to integrate CFML and .NET. It's
   not at all about how to move off CFML to .NET. I'll admit that the crux 
   of
   that campaign is of that sort. When I was first asked to do it (almost a
   year ago exactly), I was a little put off by the how to move off
   JSP/PHP/CFM nature of the campaign. Fortunately, I was able to offer the
   talk I did which was much LESS about leaving and just about making the 
   most
   of the two together. It was kind of a stealth move, I felt.
  
   I can't see the new webcasts being any different, so that's at least some
   consolation to those who see any connection as fraternizing with the
   enemy. That said, .NET is a platform. Just as CFMX (and BlueDragon 
   Server,
   and Railo) is built atop Java, BD.NET is built atop .NET. One need not
   leave CFML to get the benefits of that platform.
  
   But I'll leave it at that. I'm not trying to sell anything either. I 
   have
   no vested interest in the topic other than to share it as a technical
   opportunity for those who could benefit. Indeed, it's why I joined the
   company 4 years ago in April (when I had been shown an early alpha of
   BD.NET, and after watching BD and its predecessor TagServlet for a couple
   years before that).
  
   But then you see also one of the reasons I chose to move on from the role
   and become independent again! :-) Frankly I got tired of the bickering 
   that
   often arose over any attempts to show this alternative. I knew it was a
   compelling alternative for those who had the problems it solved, and I 
   could
   very successfully demonstrate it to those who gave it serious 
   consideration.
   And indeed, BD and New Atlanta do continue evolving the product since I 
   left
   in April, and are about to announce BD 7. With Railo also offering CF7
   functionality in a new beta, and the Smith project coming along, there are
   clearly plenty of demonstrations of the strength of CFML in the market.
  
   And now with CF8 coming out with really great new features, it really is a
   great time to be in CFML. I for one am very happy to be free to look into
   any and all possibilities. As always, I'm just looking for solutions to
   problems for my clients, regardless of who can provide them. And that goes
   for .NET, too. :-) It's not a zero-sum game, folks. There's a place for
   everyone and everything. Just pick what solves your problems, but be open
   always to alternatives. That may be all Scott means also.
  
   But trust me--I understand the sensitivity of bringing up .NET in a CF 
   list.
   It's like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. It doesn't matter that
   there is no fire. It's just about being sensitive to the way crowds 
   respond.
   :-)
  
   And I should add that my talk and preconference seminar at WebDU will 
   apply
   100% to CFMX users! :-)
  
   /Charlie
   http://www.carehart.org/blog/
  
   -Original Message-
   From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
   Of Robin Hilliard
   Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:42 PM
   To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
   Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).
  
  
   On 23/02/2007, at 12:10 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
Now if we/you want to play the whole MSFT is Selling card again, go
for it, but count me out this time ;)
  
   Hm, perhaps it's the learn2asp.net and Campaign in the url that
   suggested to some people that this was a selling kinda thing...
  
   Might I suggest http://billsdevlounge.org/ charliesexcellentbdstuff.cfm?
   :-)
  
   Robin
  
  
   
  
 
 
  --
  Regards,
  Scott Barnes
  http://www.mossyblog.com
 
  
 


 --
 Mark Stanton
 Gruden Pty Ltd
 http://www.gruden.com

 



-- 
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com


[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

yeah, sadly i am :P

On 2/26/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Scott are you subscribed to the cfwatercooler group?



 Andrew Scott
 Senior Coldfusion Developer
 Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
 www.aegeon.com.au
 Phone:+613 8676 4223
 Mobile: 0404 998 273



 



-- 
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] CFCHART not displaying in browser

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Onnis

Just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue and if there
is a way to get around it.

I am working on a dev system i have running on my intranet which is a
Windows2000 server OS and CF7.  I have set up a new site in IIS and
edited the hosts file so that the host header can be resolved.  I have
also edited the hosts file on the server in the same manner and i can
call up the site on the server no probs.

I can do a CFHTTP on the site and it resolves fine but when i run
CFHART the image is broken.  I have created a virtual directory called
CFIDE in the new site but it doesnt seem to do anything.  The graph
runs and the image gets created but it just wont display.

Anyone got any ideas?

Regards
Steve Onnis


--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] Re: CFCHART not displaying in browser

2007-02-25 Thread AJ Mercer
I had some issue in 6.1 and was told that an extra slash before CFIDE fixed
the issue. Here was my work around for that

cfsavecontent variable=fixChart
cfchart format=flash ...
cfchartseries.../cfchartseries
/cfchart
/cfsavecontent
cfset fixChart = replace(fixChart, '/CFIDE/GraphData',
'http://#HTTP_HOST#//CFIDE/GraphData')
#fixChart#


On 2/26/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue and if there
 is a way to get around it.

 I am working on a dev system i have running on my intranet which is a
 Windows2000 server OS and CF7.  I have set up a new site in IIS and
 edited the hosts file so that the host header can be resolved.  I have
 also edited the hosts file on the server in the same manner and i can
 call up the site on the server no probs.

 I can do a CFHTTP on the site and it resolves fine but when i run
 CFHART the image is broken.  I have created a virtual directory called
 CFIDE in the new site but it doesnt seem to do anything.  The graph
 runs and the image gets created but it just wont display.

 Anyone got any ideas?

 Regards
 Steve Onnis


 



-- 
If you are not living on the edge,
You are taking up too much space.

--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---



[cfaussie] Paypal Integration

2007-02-25 Thread Brett Payne-Rhodes

Hi,

Can anyone recommend where to start with Paypal payments integration?

What with the SDK and options for IPN, PDT and an API its all a bit 
confusing... Not to mention all the forum posts complaining about things not 
working!

Basically, I have a shopping cart and need to let people make payments via 
Paypal and would prefer immediate payment verification (as per Camtech). I 
thought it would be easy as - and maybe it will be...


Many thanks,

Brett
B)


--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
cfaussie group.
To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en
-~--~~~~--~~--~--~---