[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working
Just to follow up on what AJ said: this doesn't work: == resultcfflush cflocation url=http://www.google.com; == It doesn't throw an error or anything, it just does the processing and then doesn't relocate. It's the first thing I thought of too when I read this thread... AJ Mercer wrote: Does the page have a cfflush on it - that will kill cflocation. On 6/30/07, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, just to add confusion to what i felt sure was a problem with cflocation, i created a page with nothing on it but a cflocation tag and it worked just fine. Damn. And i thought i had isolated where the problem was. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 6/30/07, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, because it's every cflocation tag that's stopped working, including the ones that work fine on the production server. But since you mention it, i'll do just such a test page. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month -- If you are not living on the edge, You are taking up too much space. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101
It sure is. Here is a scenario... Say you build up a CF server on a dual 3Ghz CPU server with 4GB of RAM because you plan to have lots of clients on it eventually. Well 80% of the performance is wasted on day one and it's not until much later in the servers life that you get the benefit of the increased capacity. With VMWare you can start several servers on that piece of hardware, maybe two CF Servers and a SQL Server so you save hardware costs and save co-location costs for the hardware. Then in 6 months time when you need more RAM in your SQL Server you simply reallocate the RAM being used by the VM's so that SQL has more. When you outgrow the capacity of the CF servers you build another VMWare server and move one of the CF VM's to it, without rebuilding the platform and pissing off clients with migrations that cause their code to stop working. VMWare standard is about 6k. To get the best out of it you'd have two physical servers so your starting point will be two servers and two VMWare licenes. This gives you the ability to have multiple VM's spread across the two physical servers whilst keeping headroom on each physical server to act as the fail-over for the other physical server. In this model if you have a CF server on physical server 'A' that is causing problems for a critical client on server 'A' and affecting the physical server in some way (even though VMWare limits CPU and RAM usage) then you can just shift it to the other physical server. Another situation is when you have clients on CF6 and the hardware is about to go out of warranty (no longer good for production). You're not going to build another CF6 platform to move them to because the costs would be too high for new hardware considering you won't be signing up new clients on CF6. If this was a VM you could simply move the VM to new hardware along with other VM's on old hardware, maximising the return on new hardware and saving time on rebuilds. If your CF6 platform is on physical hardware and it out of warranty then you can use P2V and virtualise the physical platform directly, a very cool feature. There are lots of scenarios but the core elements that keep coming up are management and uptime. So if they are valuable then you'll get a better result with VMWare than with lots of physical servers. Regard Bruce -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 5:40 p.m. To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 So really the only benefits would be hardware costs, but you would need to be upgrading things like ram, drive capacityy and cpu to maintain performance, and I guess data center costs for rack space. So is it really worth it? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 3:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 An interesting call for Adobe to make, or perhaps it's in the EULA, but I would assume you'd need a license per VM since using VMWare basically allows for several server installs (including OS). Unless using a virtualisation method within a single OS install such as the stuff from SWSoft. Regards Bruce - Bruce Trevarthen, CEO ZeroOne (NZ) Limited --- DDI: +64 4 471 Mobile: +64 21 567967 --- -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 5:29 p.m. To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 So then from a cf server licensing perspective, can anyone tell me if I could use the same CF license on multiple VMs? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 1:11 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Virtual Servers 101 Hi Steve CPU: VMWare lets you assign GHz per Virtual Server and they won't go over that. So if you have dual 2Ghz CPU's then you safely run 3 Virtual Servers at 1GHz each. You need to keep some core processing capacity available for the host operating system. RAM: Correct, you assign RAM per Virtual Server and to run more Virtual Servers you need more RAM. Since with VMWare Windows is not your base host you don't need to consider STD versus Enterprise. But VMWare does have three versions to choose from with various Virtual Server feature support in each. For example VMotion is only in the Enterprise edition. SOFTWARE: Again you're correct, each VM is just as if it were a physical server in the eye's of software licenses, even Microsoft still expect a Processor license per Virtual Server even though it's only one physical CPU underneath it all. OTHER:
[cfaussie] Re: Should I Purchase Enterprise
Dale, Why dont you buy and use the the standard version for starters. If you have a client that requires the enterprise version, then pass the cost on. Remember to include fees for you require for testing and production server setup and ongoing maintenance. You could also split the cost between your existing clients if you can onsell the benefits to them. Then you wont be wasting money. There are a number of deployment options you can choose for the Enterprise version. The multiserver config option is a popular install option. Just one option. Regards Chris Ellem Technical Director - Flex Factory Adobe Certified Professional www.flexfactory.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working
Mike, Have you tried line debugging the code to see what is actually happening? It might be something very obtuse.. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Kear Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 2:46 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working At first i thought it was a browser problem but it's the same with IE and firefox, and the cflocation works ok on the production server with the same code. Does that logic make sense? or is there somethign i've forgotten? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 1/07/2007 12:19 PM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working
This may have been mentioned before - but http://www.fiddlertool.com/fiddler/ is pretty useful for header analysis. Even if it was written by the Evil Empire (TM) skateboard.com.au wrote: Hi Mike Cflocation is all about the headers. Check the http headers being sent to the browser. Compare what you are seeing between the working and non working pages. If your browser does not give you easy access to this, get another cf page to cfhttp the pages and dump the full headers that way. Thats how I solved cflocation issues in the past anyway. cheers Drew -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:10:01 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFLocation stopped working I havent had time to get at this for a few days now. It's very frustrating because the code used to work fine. It works fine on my production site.It's only my dev machine that shows this problem. So I figured fine it's not the code, it's to do with the environment then. What have i changed? Not IIS, Not Apache, Not the Code, not the database. - the only thing left is ColdFusion itself - i applied the updaters to it. That must be the culprit. Then someone suggested I try a page with only a CLOCATION tag in it, and that threw my theory into a spin because it worked. If my theory was right (that the updaters had somehow broken the server) it shouldnt have worked. So I dont know where to go looking now. Perhaps i'll re-install ColdFusion and see where that gets me. Maybe i havent installed the updaters correctly or there was a hiccup during the updaters application. But i'm really clutching at straws here, not really seeing what (apart from a broken CF Server) the problem could be. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 7/2/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Have you tried line debugging the code to see what is actually happening? It might be something very obtuse.. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS
Ok, So he went and commented, so spoilt my fun, but here's what people thought or hoped might have happened. He has taken a vowel of silence 20.0% He fell in a well and died 4.0% He got hit by a car and died in a fire 4.0% A Microsoft Vista Bug ate him. 16.0% Geoff Bowers Banned Him 32.0% He was consumed by the Request Scope 24.0% Which makes 52% of people who thought he either should go quiet or be banned, just my interpretation of the stats J. Personally, I most guys here, thought the whole thing was entertaining. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AJ Mercer Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 11:41 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS You think *that* will be the last word on the subject?? On 6/29/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the farmer once said to the pig.. That'll do pig.. that'll do... I think Andrew got the point today and how about we nod, smile and move forward - end the humiliation that which is Andrews and let it be. On 6/29/07, Andrew Scott mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am here But let me say this. 1) Not banned 2) No wells to fall into 3) Can't be consumed by something that I will not got near 4) No I have been actively voicing in another area. 5) Nope sorry no cars hit me either... 6) Now this I'll agree too, because its almost funny that I have just not long finished repairing the fact that Vista ate my HD. let me explain, a power outage / brown out accoured during a HD dedrag and Vista said sorry file is corrupt or directory doesn't exist... So my vote is #6. On 6/29/07, Peter Tilbrook mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry! If you get a request scope vote - that was me :) -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger Live: Desktop General www.aegeon.com.au http://www.aegeon.com.au/ Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.mossyblog.com -- If you are not living on the edge, You are taking up too much space. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS
another way to look at it is that 92% of the respondents wish him no (physical) harm. whether the other 8% know him personally is unclear... On 7/2/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, So he went and commented, so spoilt my fun, but here's what people thought or hoped might have happened. He has taken a vowel of silence 20.0% He fell in a well and died 4.0% He got hit by a car and died in a fire 4.0% A Microsoft Vista Bug ate him. 16.0% Geoff Bowers Banned Him 32.0% He was consumed by the Request Scope 24.0% Which makes 52% of people who thought he either should go quiet or be banned, just my interpretation of the stats J. Personally, I most guys here, thought the whole thing was entertaining. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *AJ Mercer *Sent:* Friday, 29 June 2007 11:41 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS You think *that* will be the last word on the subject?? On 6/29/07, *Scott Barnes* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the farmer once said to the pig.. That'll do pig.. that'll do... I think Andrew got the point today and how about we nod, smile and move forward - end the humiliation that which is Andrews and let it be. On 6/29/07, *Andrew Scott* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am here But let me say this. 1) Not banned 2) No wells to fall into 3) Can't be consumed by something that I will not got near 4) No I have been actively voicing in another area. 5) Nope sorry no cars hit me either... 6) Now this I'll agree too, because its almost funny that I have just not long finished repairing the fact that Vista ate my HD. let me explain, a power outage / brown out accoured during a HD dedrag and Vista said sorry file is corrupt or directory doesn't exist... So my vote is #6. On 6/29/07, *Peter Tilbrook* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry! If you get a request scope vote - that was me :) -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger Live: Desktop General www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 http://www.mossyblog.com -- If you are not living on the edge, You are taking up too much space. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS
Dale, Whether people think I am a dickhead, or an arse. The fact is that the trend of Coldfusion in the Enterprise market is changing, I voiced that after taking the survey. So to take a survey like this Dale, is childish to say the least. I mean I know you personally, and you have voiced your same opinions on the cost of products in the past, the only difference I backed it up with trends that are real facts. The stupid thing is, I was only relaying what I see and what was happening with us as a company. We picked up 2 clients in the last 6 months who had their website / intranet systems written in Coldfusion. We as a company also went with the wishes of our clients, and that did not include Coldfusion. One was an Enterprise solution the other, is to fit within our product strategy and we pitched our idea and won based on that. And the other client was burned by the previous developer, and ended up spending a great deal of money, 6 figures and being a large international company has damaged us as Coldfusion developers. We are also pitching for another very large contract, based on our product model and we are also very close to signing that deal as well, and again it doesn't include Coldfusion Enterprise. I wish that it wasn't happening, and if I can do anything to help change the swing back to Coldfusion I would certainly do that and that is what people seemed to have not understood. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. HYPERLINK http://www.aegeon.com.auwww.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 1/07/2007 12:19 PM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS
Andrew, As I said, everyone here thought the thread was funny. I welcome everyone's opinion and as I know you I don't think you are just being a dickhead. Perhaps others who don't know you think your just out to bag ColdFusion and they don't realise that you've been a CF developer for 10 years. Personally I'm interested in the stories where CF looses people to other technologies and their reasons. I know that not everyone agrees with your price argument, but I think it makes sense, while you may have been able to do an OEM deal, who knew (not me) and sometimes decisions get made and even though you fight for a different solution, you sometimes loose. I've been evaluating Visual Studio 9 (Orcas) and quite like .NET, but while CF remains affordable, while I can get good people and while Adobe continue to support ColdFusion, we are unlikely to move. Moving to .NET in our case would cost more in Visual Studio licences than CF costs in Enterprise licence. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:26 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Dale, Whether people think I am a dickhead, or an arse. The fact is that the trend of Coldfusion in the Enterprise market is changing, I voiced that after taking the survey. So to take a survey like this Dale, is childish to say the least. I mean I know you personally, and you have voiced your same opinions on the cost of products in the past, the only difference I backed it up with trends that are real facts. The stupid thing is, I was only relaying what I see and what was happening with us as a company. We picked up 2 clients in the last 6 months who had their website / intranet systems written in Coldfusion. We as a company also went with the wishes of our clients, and that did not include Coldfusion. One was an Enterprise solution the other, is to fit within our product strategy and we pitched our idea and won based on that. And the other client was burned by the previous developer, and ended up spending a great deal of money, 6 figures and being a large international company has damaged us as Coldfusion developers. We are also pitching for another very large contract, based on our product model and we are also very close to signing that deal as well, and again it doesn't include Coldfusion Enterprise. I wish that it wasn't happening, and if I can do anything to help change the swing back to Coldfusion I would certainly do that and that is what people seemed to have not understood. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 1/07/2007 12:19 PM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS
Dale, Actually even though it was a dig at me, I still see the humorous side of the Where is AS survey. I have also started to have a play with Orcas, mind you I only came across a Virtual instance of Orcas the first time and when trying to run it, it was asking for another vhd with something to do with time limit. Anyway that product certainly has evolved over time, however my main interest was to look more into Silverlight and WPF. Btw I also reported the sum wrong on the previous post it wasn't 6 figures, it was actually 7 and almost 8 figures. And the story is sketchy, but I know that they spent this in a space of 6 months (from what I am hearing by those working on the project) and got nothing for their money and this included licensing and infrastructure on, including Coldfusion, Vignette (I think I spelt that right) to name the majority of the costs involved. But they were very impressed in what we delivered in a shorter time, than what was previously delivered to them. But let's say they are where reluctant for anyone to come in an discuss what was already discussed to move forward. Like the old saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. HYPERLINK http://www.aegeon.com.auwww.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:54 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Andrew, As I said, everyone here thought the thread was funny. I welcome everyone's opinion and as I know you I don't think you are just being a dickhead. Perhaps others who don't know you think your just out to bag ColdFusion and they don't realise that you've been a CF developer for 10 years. Personally I'm interested in the stories where CF looses people to other technologies and their reasons. I know that not everyone agrees with your price argument, but I think it makes sense, while you may have been able to do an OEM deal, who knew (not me) and sometimes decisions get made and even though you fight for a different solution, you sometimes loose. I've been evaluating Visual Studio 9 (Orcas) and quite like .NET, but while CF remains affordable, while I can get good people and while Adobe continue to support ColdFusion, we are unlikely to move. Moving to .NET in our case would cost more in Visual Studio licences than CF costs in Enterprise licence. Regards Dale Fraser HYPERLINK http://dalefraser.blogspot.comhttp://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:26 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Dale, Whether people think I am a dickhead, or an arse. The fact is that the trend of Coldfusion in the Enterprise market is changing, I voiced that after taking the survey. So to take a survey like this Dale, is childish to say the least. I mean I know you personally, and you have voiced your same opinions on the cost of products in the past, the only difference I backed it up with trends that are real facts. The stupid thing is, I was only relaying what I see and what was happening with us as a company. We picked up 2 clients in the last 6 months who had their website / intranet systems written in Coldfusion. We as a company also went with the wishes of our clients, and that did not include Coldfusion. One was an Enterprise solution the other, is to fit within our product strategy and we pitched our idea and won based on that. And the other client was burned by the previous developer, and ended up spending a great deal of money, 6 figures and being a large international company has damaged us as Coldfusion developers. We are also pitching for another very large contract, based on our product model and we are also very close to signing that deal as well, and again it doesn't include Coldfusion Enterprise. I wish that it wasn't happening, and if I can do anything to help change the swing back to Coldfusion I would certainly do that and that is what people seemed to have not understood. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. HYPERLINK http://www.aegeon.com.auwww.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 1/07/2007 12:19 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 1/07/2007 12:19 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 1/07/2007 12:19 PM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because
[cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS
Actually, It wasn't meant as a dig, I actually thought that since Geoff had posted about warnings and you had gone quiet that you had been banned (as did most others by the survey). When compiling the list of survey options, I was killing myself laughing reading through the emails. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Dale, Actually even though it was a dig at me, I still see the humorous side of the Where is AS survey. I have also started to have a play with Orcas, mind you I only came across a Virtual instance of Orcas the first time and when trying to run it, it was asking for another vhd with something to do with time limit. Anyway that product certainly has evolved over time, however my main interest was to look more into Silverlight and WPF. Btw I also reported the sum wrong on the previous post it wasn't 6 figures, it was actually 7 and almost 8 figures. And the story is sketchy, but I know that they spent this in a space of 6 months (from what I am hearing by those working on the project) and got nothing for their money and this included licensing and infrastructure on, including Coldfusion, Vignette (I think I spelt that right) to name the majority of the costs involved. But they were very impressed in what we delivered in a shorter time, than what was previously delivered to them. But let's say they are where reluctant for anyone to come in an discuss what was already discussed to move forward. Like the old saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:54 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Andrew, As I said, everyone here thought the thread was funny. I welcome everyone's opinion and as I know you I don't think you are just being a dickhead. Perhaps others who don't know you think your just out to bag ColdFusion and they don't realise that you've been a CF developer for 10 years. Personally I'm interested in the stories where CF looses people to other technologies and their reasons. I know that not everyone agrees with your price argument, but I think it makes sense, while you may have been able to do an OEM deal, who knew (not me) and sometimes decisions get made and even though you fight for a different solution, you sometimes loose. I've been evaluating Visual Studio 9 (Orcas) and quite like .NET, but while CF remains affordable, while I can get good people and while Adobe continue to support ColdFusion, we are unlikely to move. Moving to .NET in our case would cost more in Visual Studio licences than CF costs in Enterprise licence. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:26 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Dale, Whether people think I am a dickhead, or an arse. The fact is that the trend of Coldfusion in the Enterprise market is changing, I voiced that after taking the survey. So to take a survey like this Dale, is childish to say the least. I mean I know you personally, and you have voiced your same opinions on the cost of products in the past, the only difference I backed it up with trends that are real facts. The stupid thing is, I was only relaying what I see and what was happening with us as a company. We picked up 2 clients in the last 6 months who had their website / intranet systems written in Coldfusion. We as a company also went with the wishes of our clients, and that did not include Coldfusion. One was an Enterprise solution the other, is to fit within our product strategy and we pitched our idea and won based on that. And the other client was burned by the previous developer, and ended up spending a great deal of money, 6 figures and being a large international company has damaged us as Coldfusion developers. We are also pitching for another very large contract, based on our product model and we are also very close to signing that deal as well, and again it doesn't include Coldfusion Enterprise. I wish that it wasn't happening, and if I can do anything to help change the swing back to Coldfusion I would certainly do that and that is what people seemed to have not understood. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476
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No Vista actually ate one of my hard drives. So I was more worried about retrieving the data than anything else. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. HYPERLINK http://www.aegeon.com.auwww.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 2:08 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Actually, It wasn't meant as a dig, I actually thought that since Geoff had posted about warnings and you had gone quiet that you had been banned (as did most others by the survey). When compiling the list of survey options, I was killing myself laughing reading through the emails. Regards Dale Fraser HYPERLINK http://dalefraser.blogspot.comhttp://dalefraser.blogspot.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 1/07/2007 12:19 PM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
