[cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I can back that, at my first job, MS used to call us to ask if everything was ok and chit chat about upcoming stuff with our IT- centric managers, and regularly sent invites to launch of new products built on MS tech. AND it was at a large private school, so our licenses were all a fraction of the RRP... Compared that to the time (still at that job) where I got one of my directors (IT based, there was only 2) to ask about LiveCycle (I was interested in doing integration with exchange and AD for apps for our internal intranet, and logic for alot of the stuff that was being done manually.), I was told the response from adobe was something along the lines of if you don't know how you are going to use it, its probably not worth your time and money. At the time the were thinking of going to other MS products because of not having to manage AD permissions on CF and greater integration for MS tech with each other. The end result is obvious, they went with MS, though to date it seems the main project didn't get delivered to my understanding and currently on hold but thats another story. Also don't get me started on projects where companies buy software and spend like crazy doing integration then not achieveing fully what they wanted when it would have been a better shot at it if it was mainly custom built. @Kym I reckon you might want to talk to the Railo crew and see if you can get some sort of partnership going for Australia... I reckon its time php and .Net got some serious competition from CF in ANZ my 2 cents Chong On May 26, 3:44 pm, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote: On 26/05/2010 15:14, Mark Mandel wrote: What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). I've missed all the fun as I was busy this morning, installing yet another SQL2008 server to handle yet more clients and a couple more VMs to put them on. Not showing off, just simple fact. We are a CF-only hosting company and yes, we are not cheap as hosting in Oz is not cheap, that's _all_ hosting not just CF hosting. Like Steve said it costs 2K a month to have a rack in a decent datacentre, we pay well into 5 figures a month for hosting costs but for that sort of money you get a degree of reliability that you don't get elsewhere. Its the old, old story, you get what you pay for. We don't have 400 sites on one web server or 200 databases on a DB server, that's what happens when you pay $5 a month for your hosting. And if the power wobbles, we keep going. I got two phone calls yesterday relevant to this conversation, one from a prospective client who was fed up with the poor service at their existing hosting company, its in Brisbane and owned by a Victorian company if you know the one I mean. They are coming to us at twice the price they were paying before to get something that actually works (and I'm talking $55pm for a CMS site not thousands for a big business site). The other phone call was from Microsoft! They did come knocking at our door, metaphorically speaking! Wanted to know if we were happy, etc. We are a CF shop but we are also a Windows shop, we own quite a few Win2008 Datacentre licenses and SQL2008 ditto, we do spend serious (by small business standards) money with them even if we compete with their web technology. And talking of evangelising we have decided to put our CMS into the public domain and really start promoting cfml as a language and note the use of cfml there not Coldfusion. I think that is important now, it is in the public domain at the application platform level, it is not just Adobe any more and we need to start making noises. Here in Sydney the last Coldfusion User Group meeting was a long time ago, we now have an Adobe Platform User Group and Chris does a grand job but apart from me jumping up and down and mentioning cfml at every opportunity in the audience there has been no CF content in ages, its all Flex and Flash, etc. The Adobe Way. I have been thinking seriously about having a cfml user group, not directly connected to Adobe to see if we can attract a new crew of developers. Is that a viable idea? -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
To really get the correct answer here, I think we need Scott Barnes to comment. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kym Kovan Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:45 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet On 26/05/2010 15:14, Mark Mandel wrote: What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). I've missed all the fun as I was busy this morning, installing yet another SQL2008 server to handle yet more clients and a couple more VMs to put them on. Not showing off, just simple fact. We are a CF-only hosting company and yes, we are not cheap as hosting in Oz is not cheap, that's _all_ hosting not just CF hosting. Like Steve said it costs 2K a month to have a rack in a decent datacentre, we pay well into 5 figures a month for hosting costs but for that sort of money you get a degree of reliability that you don't get elsewhere. Its the old, old story, you get what you pay for. We don't have 400 sites on one web server or 200 databases on a DB server, that's what happens when you pay $5 a month for your hosting. And if the power wobbles, we keep going. I got two phone calls yesterday relevant to this conversation, one from a prospective client who was fed up with the poor service at their existing hosting company, its in Brisbane and owned by a Victorian company if you know the one I mean. They are coming to us at twice the price they were paying before to get something that actually works (and I'm talking $55pm for a CMS site not thousands for a big business site). The other phone call was from Microsoft! They did come knocking at our door, metaphorically speaking! Wanted to know if we were happy, etc. We are a CF shop but we are also a Windows shop, we own quite a few Win2008 Datacentre licenses and SQL2008 ditto, we do spend serious (by small business standards) money with them even if we compete with their web technology. And talking of evangelising we have decided to put our CMS into the public domain and really start promoting cfml as a language and note the use of cfml there not Coldfusion. I think that is important now, it is in the public domain at the application platform level, it is not just Adobe any more and we need to start making noises. Here in Sydney the last Coldfusion User Group meeting was a long time ago, we now have an Adobe Platform User Group and Chris does a grand job but apart from me jumping up and down and mentioning cfml at every opportunity in the audience there has been no CF content in ages, its all Flex and Flash, etc. The Adobe Way. I have been thinking seriously about having a cfml user group, not directly connected to Adobe to see if we can attract a new crew of developers. Is that a viable idea? -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
So your saying if I move to .NET I'll get more free lunches. Now I finally understand why JB HI FI moved. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kai Koenig Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO level are invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training events local and even oversees - and that's how you get a company to jump on a technology - decision makers are just humans after all. I'm not saying Adobe is NOT doing anything, they just don't do it for CF but rather for LC and Creative Suite and that _is_ a local office's decision imho. One example is a series of breakfast talks in hotels on the LC technology stack in AU/NZ - really cool event (I was at the Wellington one back then) and it brought the right folks to the event - exactly those managers mentioned above - speakers were Adobe people and other folks who've deployed and built solutions on LC (in AU). I agree with a lot of what Mark and Robin are saying, it's _also_ up to a community, but it's clear to me that Adobe is not putting the effort in they could and do for other technologies in the local markets when it comes to CF. That's really all I'm saying - and I doubt there's anything we can do about it. Cheers Kai What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). Mark On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM, KC Kuok kck...@gmail.com wrote: @Eliseo Mike Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have major exposure. @ Mark Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF. how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the resources (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can overcome that. E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for CF and LifeCycle? Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that says Powered by Adobe Coldfusion, Railo could also do the same powered by Railo Coldfusion Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it goes. I reckon Red Hat has done well pushing its agenda in this part of the world. Conferences and UGs are all good for the CF community but it doesn't really make anyone pick up CF if they are not using CF already... BTW does anyone know is there any CF consultancy office (i.e. Rocketboots, Daemon) based out of melb? I have heard of a few hybrid one, was just thinking that day about any big CF consultancy houses in melbourne and couldnt really put my finger on it. PS:I know a few that offer a range including CF, just not focused on CF like the forementioned 2 companies. In the end it comes down to this, if Adobe does not push CF hard in ANZAC region, people who actually signs the cheques will assume that CF is dying because the company that owns it can't be bothered to sell it. Chong On May 26, 1:44 pm, Eliseo Dannunzio eliseo.dannun...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, I don't know where you've been looking but there have been jobs a plenty here in Sydney as based from the number of Seek ads I've seen come through... Granted they are not pure CF roles, but they are roles nonetheless. Eliseo On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: It's a paradox - the recruiters say coldfusion developers are really hard to find, yet there have been only handful of coldfusion contracts/permanent jobs advertised in the last year or so in Sydney. If we are in such demand, how come they arent looking for us by advertising? In Sydney in the last 3 months there have been 3 coldfusion jobs advertised and unless I'm looking in the wrong places, that's it. I dont know the answer. But I'm
[cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne May 2010. REMINDER, POSTPONED TO NEXT WEEK
Hi Peter, Could yourself or Dale give some sort of direction of which entrance/ door to use to get into the office? Ta, Chong On May 20, 10:13 am, Peter Robertson pe...@p-robertson.com wrote: If you're attending the CFUG in Melbourne this month, please don't roll up tonight, we've postponed to next week to accommodate CogState's move and so there will also be a change of venue. Details follow: This month Phil Haeusler is doing a presentation on FW/1 - Framework One, 'The Invisible Framework'. FW/1 is a new framework lead by Sean Corfield. It leverages Application.cfc and some simple conventions to provide a 'full' MVC framework in a single file. Intended to require near-zero configuration, FW/1 lets you build your application without worrying about a framework getting in your way. The session will cover * Why bother with frameworks? * Yet another ColdFusion Framework * Getting started with FW/1 * Understanding the FW/1 lifecycle * But what is MVC? * Building a FW/1 app, and * Looking towards the next release of FW/1 v1.1 * So, should we bother with FW/1? Phil has been an independant ColdFusion consultant in Melbourne for more than 10 years delivering on a vast number of solutions to public, private and startup clients predominately focusing on ColdFusion, Flex and other Adobe technologies. Date: Thursday 27 May 2010 Time: 6:30 PM NEW Location: Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
And free trips maybe :) So your saying if I move to .NET I’ll get more free lunches. Now I finally understand why JB HI FI moved. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kai Koenig Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO level are invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training events local and even oversees - and that's how you get a company to jump on a technology - decision makers are just humans after all. I'm not saying Adobe is NOT doing anything, they just don't do it for CF but rather for LC and Creative Suite and that _is_ a local office's decision imho. One example is a series of breakfast talks in hotels on the LC technology stack in AU/NZ - really cool event (I was at the Wellington one back then) and it brought the right folks to the event - exactly those managers mentioned above - speakers were Adobe people and other folks who've deployed and built solutions on LC (in AU). I agree with a lot of what Mark and Robin are saying, it's _also_ up to a community, but it's clear to me that Adobe is not putting the effort in they could and do for other technologies in the local markets when it comes to CF. That's really all I'm saying - and I doubt there's anything we can do about it. Cheers Kai What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). Mark On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM, KC Kuok kck...@gmail.com wrote: @Eliseo Mike Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have major exposure. @ Mark Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF. how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the resources (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can overcome that. E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for CF and LifeCycle? Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that says Powered by Adobe Coldfusion, Railo could also do the same powered by Railo Coldfusion Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it goes. I reckon Red Hat has done well pushing its agenda in this part of the world. Conferences and UGs are all good for the CF community but it doesn't really make anyone pick up CF if they are not using CF already... BTW does anyone know is there any CF consultancy office (i.e. Rocketboots, Daemon) based out of melb? I have heard of a few hybrid one, was just thinking that day about any big CF consultancy houses in melbourne and couldnt really put my finger on it. PS:I know a few that offer a range including CF, just not focused on CF like the forementioned 2 companies. In the end it comes down to this, if Adobe does not push CF hard in ANZAC region, people who actually signs the cheques will assume that CF is dying because the company that owns it can't be bothered to sell it. Chong On May 26, 1:44 pm, Eliseo Dannunzio eliseo.dannun...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, I don't know where you've been looking but there have been jobs a plenty here in Sydney as based from the number of Seek ads I've seen come through... Granted they are not pure CF roles, but they are roles nonetheless. Eliseo On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: It's a paradox - the recruiters say coldfusion developers are really hard to find, yet there have been only handful of coldfusion contracts/permanent jobs advertised in the last year or so in Sydney. If we are in such demand, how come they arent looking for us by advertising? In Sydney in the last 3 months there have been 3
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
and, you'll be able to apply for the JB job and get free music as well. i went to CEbit yesterday. i noticed lots of the banners had the microsoft certified logo on them. one or two tux-the-penguins. only one adobe A, and none of the CF or FL product logos. there were hundreds of stands, hundreds of banners, some of them must have built their stuff in flash, but they just weren't being asked or forced to advertise the fact. asd On 26/05/10 16:19, Dale Fraser wrote: So your saying if I move to .NET I'll get more free lunches. Now I finally understand why JB HI FI moved. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kai Koenig *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO level are invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training events local and even oversees - and that's how you get a company to jump on a technology - decision makers are just humans after all. I'm not saying Adobe is NOT doing anything, they just don't do it for CF but rather for LC and Creative Suite and that _is_ a local office's decision imho. One example is a series of breakfast talks in hotels on the LC technology stack in AU/NZ - really cool event (I was at the Wellington one back then) and it brought the right folks to the event - exactly those managers mentioned above - speakers were Adobe people and other folks who've deployed and built solutions on LC (in AU). I agree with a lot of what Mark and Robin are saying, it's _also_ up to a community, but it's clear to me that Adobe is not putting the effort in they could and do for other technologies in the local markets when it comes to CF. That's really all I'm saying - and I doubt there's anything we can do about it. Cheers Kai What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). Mark On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM, KC Kuok kck...@gmail.com mailto:kck...@gmail.com wrote: @Eliseo Mike Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have major exposure. @ Mark Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF. how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the resources (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can overcome that. E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for CF and LifeCycle? Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that says Powered by Adobe Coldfusion, Railo could also do the same powered by Railo Coldfusion Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it goes. I reckon Red Hat has done well pushing its agenda in this part of the world. Conferences and UGs are all good for the CF community but it doesn't really make anyone pick up CF if they are not using CF already... BTW does anyone know is there any CF consultancy office (i.e. Rocketboots, Daemon) based out of melb? I have heard of a few hybrid one, was just thinking that day about any big CF consultancy houses in melbourne and couldnt really put my finger on it. PS:I know a few that offer a range including CF, just not focused on CF like the forementioned 2 companies. In the end it comes down to this, if Adobe does not push CF hard in ANZAC region, people who actually signs the cheques will assume that CF is dying because the company that owns it can't be bothered to sell it. Chong On May 26, 1:44 pm, Eliseo Dannunzio
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne May 2010. REMINDER, POSTPONED TO NEXT WEEK
We are located at 255 Bourke Street. Which is kinda in the Mall. As the mall starts half way down that block. The building is on the corner of Bourke Swanston But the entrance is on the south side of Bourke, east of Swanston opposite the Telstra T-Life store I will put a sign on the door, but if you cant find us, call me and I'll come find you. 0407 861 089 Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of KC Kuok Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 4:44 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFUG Melbourne May 2010. REMINDER, POSTPONED TO NEXT WEEK Hi Peter, Could yourself or Dale give some sort of direction of which entrance/ door to use to get into the office? Ta, Chong On May 20, 10:13 am, Peter Robertson pe...@p-robertson.com wrote: If you're attending the CFUG in Melbourne this month, please don't roll up tonight, we've postponed to next week to accommodate CogState's move and so there will also be a change of venue. Details follow: This month Phil Haeusler is doing a presentation on FW/1 - Framework One, 'The Invisible Framework'. FW/1 is a new framework lead by Sean Corfield. It leverages Application.cfc and some simple conventions to provide a 'full' MVC framework in a single file. Intended to require near-zero configuration, FW/1 lets you build your application without worrying about a framework getting in your way. The session will cover * Why bother with frameworks? * Yet another ColdFusion Framework * Getting started with FW/1 * Understanding the FW/1 lifecycle * But what is MVC? * Building a FW/1 app, and * Looking towards the next release of FW/1 v1.1 * So, should we bother with FW/1? Phil has been an independant ColdFusion consultant in Melbourne for more than 10 years delivering on a vast number of solutions to public, private and startup clients predominately focusing on ColdFusion, Flex and other Adobe technologies. Date: Thursday 27 May 2010 Time: 6:30 PM NEW Location: Level 2 255 Bourke Street Melbourne, VIC, 3000 RSVP: Please reply to this post if you are planning to attend so we know how many pizzas to order. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On 26/05/2010, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: 1995/1996 Was not the height of the .COM bubble, in fact the .Com was not a twinkle in anyone's eyes. It was 1995 when firmware contacted our company, took us along to a confernce/luncheon and gave us a pack full of ColdFusion stuff. And next thing we began coding ColdFusion from that point onwards. So as Jeremy only wrote the first version in July, they were pretty quick off the mark - or are your dates out a bit? In 1996 at Andersen Consulting we had John Desborough (author of using ColdFusion 2.0) flown out to our office from the US for two days of training. We didn't use ColdFusion from that point onwards. It's a risky way to promote a product. Everything Firmware did, you could do now. Go get a reseller account with Express Data or Scholastic (or make a commission arrangement with Webqem or Daemon) and invite some people to lunch. Print out some CF brochures. Give a little talk. Hey it worked for Firmware until they went bust. Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Where was CEBit? Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nomadic fish Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 4:50 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet and, you'll be able to apply for the JB job and get free music as well. i went to CEbit yesterday. i noticed lots of the banners had the microsoft certified logo on them. one or two tux-the-penguins. only one adobe A, and none of the CF or FL product logos. there were hundreds of stands, hundreds of banners, some of them must have built their stuff in flash, but they just weren't being asked or forced to advertise the fact. asd On 26/05/10 16:19, Dale Fraser wrote: So your saying if I move to .NET I'll get more free lunches. Now I finally understand why JB HI FI moved. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kai Koenig Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO level are invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training events local and even oversees - and that's how you get a company to jump on a technology - decision makers are just humans after all. I'm not saying Adobe is NOT doing anything, they just don't do it for CF but rather for LC and Creative Suite and that _is_ a local office's decision imho. One example is a series of breakfast talks in hotels on the LC technology stack in AU/NZ - really cool event (I was at the Wellington one back then) and it brought the right folks to the event - exactly those managers mentioned above - speakers were Adobe people and other folks who've deployed and built solutions on LC (in AU). I agree with a lot of what Mark and Robin are saying, it's _also_ up to a community, but it's clear to me that Adobe is not putting the effort in they could and do for other technologies in the local markets when it comes to CF. That's really all I'm saying - and I doubt there's anything we can do about it. Cheers Kai What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). Mark On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM, KC Kuok kck...@gmail.com wrote: @Eliseo Mike Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have major exposure. @ Mark Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF. how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the resources (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can overcome that. E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for CF and LifeCycle? Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that says Powered by Adobe Coldfusion, Railo could also do the same powered by Railo Coldfusion Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it goes. I reckon Red Hat has done well pushing its agenda in this part of the world. Conferences and UGs are all good for the CF community but it doesn't really make anyone pick up CF if they are not using CF already... BTW does anyone know is there any CF consultancy office (i.e. Rocketboots, Daemon) based out of melb? I have heard of a few hybrid one, was just thinking that day about any big CF consultancy houses in melbourne and couldnt really put my finger on it. PS:I know a few that offer a range including CF, just not focused on CF like the forementioned 2 companies. In the end it comes down to this, if Adobe does not push CF hard in ANZAC region, people who actually signs the cheques will assume that CF is dying because the company that owns it can't be bothered to sell it.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney May 2010: OpenZoom and DVCSes Date: 31st May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=22263 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] CEBit
(changing the subject, cos i am) Darling Harbour, mon-wed this week heaps of competitions, lots of lollies, quite a few pens. i learnt a few useful things. there was a lot of talk here about eWay last week, and they had a huge stall, with pretty girls handing out flyers and sales types who were very quick to take over the conversation if you sounded interested. lots of hand-held data projectors lots of government asd On 26/05/10 16:58, Dale Fraser wrote: Where was CEBit? Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *nomadic fish *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 4:50 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet and, you'll be able to apply for the JB job and get free music as well. i went to CEbit yesterday. i noticed lots of the banners had the microsoft certified logo on them. one or two tux-the-penguins. only one adobe A, and none of the CF or FL product logos. there were hundreds of stands, hundreds of banners, some of them must have built their stuff in flash, but they just weren't being asked or forced to advertise the fact. asd On 26/05/10 16:19, Dale Fraser wrote: So your saying if I move to .NET I'll get more free lunches. Now I finally understand why JB HI FI moved. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://cfmldocs.com/ http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kai Koenig *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2010 3:38 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet MSFT is doing a lot for .NET and Silverlight in NZ - pre-sales events from vendors, technical seminars for 2 hrs where folks on the CIO/CTO level are invited and attend etc, they invite you to free training events local and even oversees - and that's how you get a company to jump on a technology - decision makers are just humans after all. I'm not saying Adobe is NOT doing anything, they just don't do it for CF but rather for LC and Creative Suite and that _is_ a local office's decision imho. One example is a series of breakfast talks in hotels on the LC technology stack in AU/NZ - really cool event (I was at the Wellington one back then) and it brought the right folks to the event - exactly those managers mentioned above - speakers were Adobe people and other folks who've deployed and built solutions on LC (in AU). I agree with a lot of what Mark and Robin are saying, it's _also_ up to a community, but it's clear to me that Adobe is not putting the effort in they could and do for other technologies in the local markets when it comes to CF. That's really all I'm saying - and I doubt there's anything we can do about it. Cheers Kai What are other companies out there doing? I.e. have people had experience with MS knocking on their door? Or any other platform? Anyone know first hand? (I'm still waiting for the PHP evangelists to come knocking). Mark On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:02 PM, KC Kuok kck...@gmail.com mailto:kck...@gmail.com wrote: @Eliseo Mike Yeah I track jobs about once a week to see how the market is travelling, TBH in australia it does not seem that it is improving or disappearing, its just stagnant atm, it is definitely not experiencing this explosive growth of CF jobs/dev chart that gets thrown about the past 2 years... In anycase i reckon most are indie Flex devs using CF as a backend, probably in the EU and USA where Railo and Adobe have major exposure. @ Mark Others RE:Quesntion of how Adobe could do more to push CF I think CF needs more effort in Australia. Could start with pushing the entire platform (LifeCycle/CF and Flex front end), with the pros and cons. Maybe subsidise larger CF Houses like Daemon and Rocketboots to do like mini presentations to MANAGEMENT level people on CF. how they can do a project they wanted, but didnt have the resources (as in development time) and how LC/CF with Flex can overcome that. E.g. everyone knows Andrew Spaulding is part of Adobe Consultancy ANZ for Flex, but how many on the list know (if they exist) the people for CF and LifeCycle? Also another Idea i had is to have startups get a discount or rebate if they put a logo on their about page, like some cool CF badge that says Powered by Adobe Coldfusion, Railo could also do the same powered by Railo Coldfusion Railo could also do its part by setting up shop (or a presence) in Australia maybe as a 2 or 3 year project, to see how it
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Yeah it might have been 1996/1997, I know it was well before I worked at ANZ which was 1999/2000. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Robin Hilliard ro...@rocketboots.com.auwrote: On 26/05/2010, at 3:42 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: So as Jeremy only wrote the first version in July, they were pretty quick off the mark - or are your dates out a bit? In 1996 at Andersen Consulting we had John Desborough (author of using ColdFusion 2.0) flown out to our office from the US for two days of training. We didn't use ColdFusion from that point onwards. It's a risky way to promote a product. Everything Firmware did, you could do now. Go get a reseller account with Express Data or Scholastic (or make a commission arrangement with Webqem or Daemon) and invite some people to lunch. Print out some CF brochures. Give a little talk. Hey it worked for Firmware until they went bust. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-( The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not everything. Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before :-) So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again! -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
hey Kym, it sounds like you're having the same problem CF is. been around forever, in use all over the place, but invisible to everyone who isn't actually being paid to look at it. asd On 26/05/10 17:42, Kym Kovan wrote: On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-( The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not everything. Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before :-) So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On 26/05/2010 18:21, nomadic fish wrote: hey Kym, it sounds like you're having the same problem CF is. been around forever, in use all over the place, but invisible to everyone who isn't actually being paid to look at it. Yes well I certainly have been around for ever and we are certainly going to start to make noise to raise our visibility and cfml at the same time. -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I've been UK based the last 4 years and in both of the companies I've worked for here we've had Forta in our office. first company he came to do a sale pitch by him self, and current company he came with the UK product manager (I've forgotten his name) to do a sales pitch and reassurance of the product to our new GM about the coldfusion thing. Also told us that if we ever get a client who isn't so sure about CF etc he would join in on a conference call and product manager would go and see them with our staff. Also we had Adobe here a second time about 6 months later just to have a meeting with management about cfbuilder. Also microsoft was banging on the door of both companies to come and show off there products. I was also at SOTR yesterday, it was a good conference but Adobe has a much bigger presence/budget at WebDU. Although in saying that SOTR is a little smaller and only CF based Do people have Adobe visit there work places back in oz? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Matt, If you don't mind me asking, how big is the organization you work for? Sent from my mobile device On 26 May 2010 19:17, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote: I've been UK based the last 4 years and in both of the companies I've worked for here we've had Forta in our office. first company he came to do a sale pitch by him self, and current company he came with the UK product manager (I've forgotten his name) to do a sales pitch and reassurance of the product to our new GM about the coldfusion thing. Also told us that if we ever get a client who isn't so sure about CF etc he would join in on a conference call and product manager would go and see them with our staff. Also we had Adobe here a second time about 6 months later just to have a meeting with management about cfbuilder. Also microsoft was banging on the door of both companies to come and show off there products. I was also at SOTR yesterday, it was a good conference but Adobe has a much bigger presence/budget at WebDU. Although in saying that SOTR is a little smaller and only CF based Do people have Adobe visit there work places back in oz? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
One had 200 staff and about 20 cf devs and present has around 300 staff and 7cf devs and 6 or so contract cf devs. Current product is intranet application used by governments but we are a private company, in other company we looked after household name e-commerce systems, so it would be understandable they'd want household names using there products, but thats only good for them if they're going to use that for marketing etc (which I don't remember them doing). Someone (non adobe employee) did tell me at SOTR that Adobe has a company policy that any staff talking at conferences about any adobe product regardless of what it is must first talk about the flash platform at the start of there speech. If this is the case they do have a marketing strategy for some products On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, If you don't mind me asking, how big is the organization you work for? Sent from my mobile device On 26 May 2010 19:17, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote: I've been UK based the last 4 years and in both of the companies I've worked for here we've had Forta in our office. first company he came to do a sale pitch by him self, and current company he came with the UK product manager (I've forgotten his name) to do a sales pitch and reassurance of the product to our new GM about the coldfusion thing. Also told us that if we ever get a client who isn't so sure about CF etc he would join in on a conference call and product manager would go and see them with our staff. Also we had Adobe here a second time about 6 months later just to have a meeting with management about cfbuilder. Also microsoft was banging on the door of both companies to come and show off there products. I was also at SOTR yesterday, it was a good conference but Adobe has a much bigger presence/budget at WebDU. Although in saying that SOTR is a little smaller and only CF based Do people have Adobe visit there work places back in oz? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I think that the Adobe CF support for people who already know the product is great. Where things lack is the cold calling of companies to talk about the benefits of CF. This is something that I believe should be driven Adobe the same as MS do for their products. On 26 May 2010 19:57, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote: One had 200 staff and about 20 cf devs and present has around 300 staff and 7cf devs and 6 or so contract cf devs. Current product is intranet application used by governments but we are a private company, in other company we looked after household name e-commerce systems, so it would be understandable they'd want household names using there products, but thats only good for them if they're going to use that for marketing etc (which I don't remember them doing). Someone (non adobe employee) did tell me at SOTR that Adobe has a company policy that any staff talking at conferences about any adobe product regardless of what it is must first talk about the flash platform at the start of there speech. If this is the case they do have a marketing strategy for some products On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.comwrote: Matt, If you don't mind me asking, how big is the organization you work for? Sent from my mobile device On 26 May 2010 19:17, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote: I've been UK based the last 4 years and in both of the companies I've worked for here we've had Forta in our office. first company he came to do a sale pitch by him self, and current company he came with the UK product manager (I've forgotten his name) to do a sales pitch and reassurance of the product to our new GM about the coldfusion thing. Also told us that if we ever get a client who isn't so sure about CF etc he would join in on a conference call and product manager would go and see them with our staff. Also we had Adobe here a second time about 6 months later just to have a meeting with management about cfbuilder. Also microsoft was banging on the door of both companies to come and show off there products. I was also at SOTR yesterday, it was a good conference but Adobe has a much bigger presence/budget at WebDU. Although in saying that SOTR is a little smaller and only CF based Do people have Adobe visit there work places back in oz? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Cheers Simon Haddon Woman loves feeling danger and speed. That is why woman wants man. They get a speed rush that is the most dangerous of all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Melbourne CFUG Reminder: Phil Haeusler on FW/1 (Framework One) Thursday 27 May
Just a reminder for all Melbourne CFers, our next CFUG meeting is drawing near. As this is our brand new venue (thanks to Dale Fraser / CogState), I'll repeat Dale's directions: We are located at 255 Bourke Street. Which is kinda in the Mall. As the mall starts half way down that block. The building is on the corner of Bourke Swanston But the entrance is on the south side of Bourke, east of Swanston opposite the Telstra T-Life store I will put a sign on the door, but if you cant find us, call me and I'll come find you. 0407 861 089 Regards Dale Fraser Also, PLEASE RSVP so that Steve Onnis can estimate drinks and pizza requirements. Either post to this thread or RSVP at Adobe Groups. This month Phil Haeusler is doing a presentation on FW/1 - Framework One, 'The Invisible Framework'. FW/1 is a new framework lead by Sean Corfield. It leverages Application.cfc and some simple conventions to provide a 'full' MVC framework in a single file. Intended to require near-zero configuration, FW/1 lets you build your application without worrying about a framework getting in your way. The session will cover * Why bother with frameworks? * Yet another ColdFusion Framework * Getting started with FW/1 * Understanding the FW/1 lifecycle * But what is MVC? * Building a FW/1 app, and * Looking towards the next release of FW/1 v1.1 * So, should we bother with FW/1? Phil has been an independant ColdFusion consultant in Melbourne for more than 10 years delivering on a vast number of solutions to public, private and startup clients predominately focusing on ColdFusion, Flex and other Adobe technologies. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: SPAM-LOW: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I totally agree, and I think that adding CF licenses on top of all those costs as well as the need to support another product probably does not encourage hosting companies to offer ColdFusion as an option. Perhaps Adobe already do deals for hosting companies but if they don't, that is maybe one small way to encourage growth. Glad you replied because I often have people ask me about ColdFusion hosting in Australia and I struggle to recommend one because my experience with the ones I've had to deal with, including the one that was alluded to earlier (that charges about 4 times as much as everyone else) has not been good. From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:47 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet I agree with the Hosting point you made though there are a number of hosting companies that do CF hosting that know what they are doing such as myself (NovaHost), and FastHit to name a couple. The issue of being competitive is not an issue of CF, but more an issue of the high cost of setting up and running IT infrastructure in Australia, the main one being the cost of bandwidth within datacentres. To give you an idea, I am in the middle of moving datacentres and the cost per month is a little over 2k for a full rack and some data and thats with no hardware, then the cost of hardware and maintenance of that...its not a cheap exercise. Then adding the cost of software and updates, it gets quite hight _ From: Cassie Woolley [mailto:cas...@bluerocksoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:39 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Part of the issue for me has always been hosting. Don't get me wrong, I know there ARE hosts in Australia but I have found it difficult to find competitive and reliable ColdFusion hosting with comparable service levels, including staff that know ColdFusion really well and can support it adequately. Perhaps part of the push needs to be incentives to Australian hosting companies to offer it as well as better training for their staff in how to set it up and support it. Years ago when I worked for WebRaven we pushed to get ColdFusion into the curriculum of one of the universities. I don't know if they have stuck with it. If they are not already, then Adobe needs to find ways to get the next generation trained up in ColdFusion and in Universities and even High Schools is the best place to start with that. From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:25 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: but until Adobe come in and push like firmware used to do and promote the product it will not be a serious contender here in Australia. Again, I'll ask the question - HOW? I honestly have no idea how firmware used to push it, I started CF just around the end of firmware, so I missed out on it. To be completely frank, I think IMHO Adobe is listening (they may be slow to move, but they are listening) to what is happening in ANZ, but we're not really giving them a clear message on what exactly we want done other than 'this sucks'. We're being a bit of the quintessential client that is saying 'I don't like it, but keep changing it and I'll tell you when I do', which we all know and love. I mean, we all complained about how hard/painful/etc it was the actually just buy ColdFusion in ANZ, now there are dedicated resellers in the region to help solve that problem. Case in point, we presented a real problem, and a solution was provided. So what could Adobe be doing better? If this question can be answered well, I can put my ACP hat on with something I can actually take to Adobe, and maybe a solution can be reached... or at least, a discussion can be started. Mark -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know there is hosting in the first place. Maybe it'd be a good idea to push the idea (and options) of CF hosting to user groups, i.e. start a site or a simple public google doc or something listing all the hosters in ANZ that offer CF and compare plans etc. Cheers Kai On 26/05/2010, at 7:42 PM, Kym Kovan wrote: On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-( The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not everything. Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before :-) So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again! -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK Hands-on Regular Expression training @ webDU 2010 http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-befriending-regular-expressions/ Hands-on Flash Catalyst and Flex 4 training @ Webinale 2010 http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-rias-with-flash-catalyst-and-flex-4/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: Melbourne CFUG Reminder: Phil Haeusler on FW/1 (Framework One) Thursday 27 May
Yup - I will be there and I will probably have our intern in tow again, too. Gavin. On May 26, 8:45 pm, Peter Robertson pe...@p-robertson.com wrote: Just a reminder for all Melbourne CFers, our next CFUG meeting is drawing near. As this is our brand new venue (thanks to Dale Fraser / CogState), I'll repeat Dale's directions: We are located at 255 Bourke Street. Which is kinda in the Mall. As the mall starts half way down that block. The building is on the corner of Bourke Swanston But the entrance is on the south side of Bourke, east of Swanston opposite the Telstra T-Life store I will put a sign on the door, but if you cant find us, call me and I'll come find you. 0407 861 089 Regards Dale Fraser Also, PLEASE RSVP so that Steve Onnis can estimate drinks and pizza requirements. Either post to this thread or RSVP at Adobe Groups. This month Phil Haeusler is doing a presentation on FW/1 - Framework One, 'The Invisible Framework'. FW/1 is a new framework lead by Sean Corfield. It leverages Application.cfc and some simple conventions to provide a 'full' MVC framework in a single file. Intended to require near-zero configuration, FW/1 lets you build your application without worrying about a framework getting in your way. The session will cover * Why bother with frameworks? * Yet another ColdFusion Framework * Getting started with FW/1 * Understanding the FW/1 lifecycle * But what is MVC? * Building a FW/1 app, and * Looking towards the next release of FW/1 v1.1 * So, should we bother with FW/1? Phil has been an independant ColdFusion consultant in Melbourne for more than 10 years delivering on a vast number of solutions to public, private and startup clients predominately focusing on ColdFusion, Flex and other Adobe technologies. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
There is already something on the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/hosting/). God know how you get listed there -Original Message- From: Kai Koenig [mailto:k...@koeni.de] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 9:17 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know there is hosting in the first place. Maybe it'd be a good idea to push the idea (and options) of CF hosting to user groups, i.e. start a site or a simple public google doc or something listing all the hosters in ANZ that offer CF and compare plans etc. Cheers Kai On 26/05/2010, at 7:42 PM, Kym Kovan wrote: On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-( The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not everything. Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before :-) So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again! -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK Hands-on Regular Expression training @ webDU 2010 http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-befriending-regular-expressions/ Hands-on Flash Catalyst and Flex 4 training @ Webinale 2010 http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-rias-with-flash-catalyst-and-flex-4/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I've spent the past 12 years as a CTO including 1 very small company, 1 smallish public company and 1 big public company never had a cold call from Microsoft at any of them only people I get cold calls from are overseas offshore your development types Dale Fraser On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: There is already something on the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/hosting/). God know how you get listed there -Original Message- From: Kai Koenig [mailto:k...@koeni.de] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 9:17 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know there is hosting in the first place. Maybe it'd be a good idea to push the idea (and options) of CF hosting to user groups, i.e. start a site or a simple public google doc or something listing all the hosters in ANZ that offer CF and compare plans etc. Cheers Kai On 26/05/2010, at 7:42 PM, Kym Kovan wrote: On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-( The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not everything. Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before :-) So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again! -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK Hands-on Regular Expression training @ webDU 2010 http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-befriending-regular-expressions/ Hands-on Flash Catalyst and Flex 4 training @ Webinale 2010 http://bloginblack.de/agentk/workshop-rias-with-flash-catalyst-and-flex-4/ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I love developing resources, working with them to realise their full potential. Resources, Chad? Forgive me for saying but you mean people don't you? People who have passion? who have failings? who have ... family? In my mind, there's a distinct difference. It's people who can have a symbiotic relationship employer/employee - including the goodwill of providing training to look to the future. Resources are simply to be used. Sucked dry like a dog removing the marrow out of a bone. Thrown on the scrap heap when all is spent. I suppose it's the difference between cooperation ... and prostitution. and if I haven't made my point clear, employers would do well in building up goodwill and loyalty with their employees if they simply cared about them - including providing training and career pathways to encourage them to stay instead of moving on. ... unless they're simply resources to be slotted in and out when needed. my 2c. barry.b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
With all your 2c's you must be pretty rich by now barry :) jokes! Would love to know what jb hifi execs would think about this discussion :) -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 12:06 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet I love developing resources, working with them to realise their full potential. Resources, Chad? Forgive me for saying but you mean people don't you? People who have passion? who have failings? who have ... family? In my mind, there's a distinct difference. It's people who can have a symbiotic relationship employer/employee - including the goodwill of providing training to look to the future. Resources are simply to be used. Sucked dry like a dog removing the marrow out of a bone. Thrown on the scrap heap when all is spent. I suppose it's the difference between cooperation ... and prostitution. and if I haven't made my point clear, employers would do well in building up goodwill and loyalty with their employees if they simply cared about them - including providing training and career pathways to encourage them to stay instead of moving on. ... unless they're simply resources to be slotted in and out when needed. my 2c. barry.b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
The timing of this discussion is interesting to me since I've been in Europe and the UK for the last 2 years and am heading back to Oz around August. I was also at SOTR 2010 in London for the last couple of days (and met Matt Bourke for the first time - Hi Matt!) and got to discussing the Aussie CF job market with a few other antipodeans. The market does seem quite flat to me compared to elsewhere in the world (even London, which was hit harder than Sydney or Melbourne by the world economy), but in saying that it's at least looking better than it was earlier this year when there were practically no new CF jobs being advertised - i.e. the last time one of these kind of discussions happened - so I am at least hopeful for my own prospects :) I also think Adobe ColdFusion is fairly well represented at conferences in Australia (compared to the UK) and WebDU has the chance to attract new developers to CF since WebDU is attended by a range of developers who use or dabble in other competing server-side languages. WebDU is probably somewhat unique in this regard compared to other conferences around the world where CF is represented. The migration away from CF issue is a tricky one... If the reason is because there is a lack of CF developers then that is something that we can work to solve as a community by reaching out to other web developers and introducing them to ColdFusion, and Adobe could solve by getting their (existing) CF educational materials into colleges and universities. If the reason isn't due to a lack of available CF developers then it's really something that is out of our hands as a community (I think?) - Adobe either needs to get Evangelists or Sales people talking to more CEO's/CIO's or to spend some cash in relevant publications to get the ColdFusion brand out there again. (They might already be doing this, but I have no way of knowing). No doubt it's a bit of both though... Can anyone remind me of who the CF-related Adobe guys are in Australia? Does Andrew Spaulding do CF stuff, and are there any others? cheers, Justin -- Justin Carter (@justincarter) http://www.madfellas.com On May 26, 1:13 pm, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: I've spent the past 12 years as a CTO including 1 very small company, 1 smallish public company and 1 big public company never had a cold call from Microsoft at any of them only people I get cold calls from are overseas offshore your development types Dale Fraser On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: There is already something on the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/hosting/). God know how you get listed there -Original Message- From: Kai Koenig [mailto:k...@koeni.de] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 9:17 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know there is hosting in the first place. Maybe it'd be a good idea to push the idea (and options) of CF hosting to user groups, i.e. start a site or a simple public google doc or something listing all the hosters in ANZ that offer CF and compare plans etc. Cheers Kai On 26/05/2010, at 7:42 PM, Kym Kovan wrote: On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraserd...@fraser.id.au wrote: Where was CEBit? Sydney. And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-( The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not everything. Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before :-) So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again! -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781
Re: [cfaussie] CEBit
CeBIT Europe was a couple of months ago and CFML was represented there by Railo. Sorry we couldn't also fly the flag at the Sydney event :( On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:03 AM, nomadic fish nomadicf...@gmail.com wrote: (changing the subject, cos i am) Darling Harbour, mon-wed this week heaps of competitions, lots of lollies, quite a few pens. i learnt a few useful things. there was a lot of talk here about eWay last week, and they had a huge stall, with pretty girls handing out flyers and sales types who were very quick to take over the conversation if you sounded interested. lots of hand-held data projectors lots of government asd On 26/05/10 16:58, Dale Fraser wrote: Where was CEBit? Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nomadic fish Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 4:50 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet and, you'll be able to apply for the JB job and get free music as well. i went to CEbit yesterday. i noticed lots of the banners had the microsoft certified logo on them. one or two tux-the-penguins. only one adobe A, and none of the CF or FL product logos. there were hundreds of stands, hundreds of banners, some of them must have built their stuff in flash, but they just weren't being asked or forced to advertise the fact. asd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I hate to be the one to tell you, but there is no one in Adobe AU who really does CF - which is part of the problem imho. Cheers Kai Can anyone remind me of who the CF-related Adobe guys are in Australia? Does Andrew Spaulding do CF stuff, and are there any others? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised Railo hasn't appointed a rep out here romancing universities in AU/NZ to get it rolling also. I was actually quite surprised Railo didn't push heavily into the ANZ region when they first started. Negotiations have been underway for quite a while. That being said, they were here for cf.O(ANZ) last year (and hopefully again this year) And webDU. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Melbourne CFUG Reminder: Phil Haeusler on FW/1 (Framework One) Thursday 27 May
I'll be there. Paul Kukiel Http://blog.Kukiel.net On 26/05/2010, at 8:45 PM, Peter Robertson pe...@p-robertson.com wrote: Just a reminder for all Melbourne CFers, our next CFUG meeting is drawing near. As this is our brand new venue (thanks to Dale Fraser / CogState), I'll repeat Dale's directions: We are located at 255 Bourke Street. Which is kinda in the Mall. As the mall starts half way down that block. The building is on the corner of Bourke Swanston But the entrance is on the south side of Bourke, east of Swanston opposite the Telstra T-Life store I will put a sign on the door, but if you cant find us, call me and I'll come find you. 0407 861 089 Regards Dale Fraser Also, PLEASE RSVP so that Steve Onnis can estimate drinks and pizza requirements. Either post to this thread or RSVP at Adobe Groups. This month Phil Haeusler is doing a presentation on FW/1 - Framework One, 'The Invisible Framework'. FW/1 is a new framework lead by Sean Corfield. It leverages Application.cfc and some simple conventions to provide a 'full' MVC framework in a single file. Intended to require near-zero configuration, FW/1 lets you build your application without worrying about a framework getting in your way. The session will cover * Why bother with frameworks? * Yet another ColdFusion Framework * Getting started with FW/1 * Understanding the FW/1 lifecycle * But what is MVC? * Building a FW/1 app, and * Looking towards the next release of FW/1 v1.1 * So, should we bother with FW/1? Phil has been an independant ColdFusion consultant in Melbourne for more than 10 years delivering on a vast number of solutions to public, private and startup clients predominately focusing on ColdFusion, Flex and other Adobe technologies. We look forward to seeing you all there. Peter Robertson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
FYI, Ben Forta has a list of CF ISPs http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/ Or, if new ANZ list is started, perhaps see if it can integrate? (single point for data maintenance) kj On May 26, 9:16 pm, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion hosting happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know there is hosting in the first place. Maybe it'd be a good idea to push the idea (and options) of CF hosting to user groups, i.e. start a site or a simple public google doc or something listing all the hosters in ANZ that offer CF and compare plans etc. Cheers Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Melbourne CFUG Reminder: Phil Haeusler on FW/1 (Framework One) Thursday 27 May
Me too. Sent from my mobile device On 27 May 2010 08:21, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be there. Paul Kukiel Http://blog.Kukiel.net On 26/05/2010, at 8:45 PM, Peter Robertson pe...@p-robertson.com wrote: Just a reminder for a... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne TONIGHT! Want Pizza? Then RSVP!
Just a notice to those attending tonight's Melbourne CFUG that our UG Manager Steve Onnis has ordered the food and drinks and these will be served at 7PM. If you're planning to come along, be there by 6.30 for our general discussion spot, and please be sure to RSVP this post in case Steve needs to increase the order to cover the numbers. See you there! Peter Robertson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 9 and Windows server 2008 64bit
Will be interesting to hear the resolution. I'll note that this was indeed one of the contentions I made in my first reply on the thread, when I said that if you had files on another server or SAN/NAS, that i/o can be costly in some configurations (not inherently so, but worth considering). But your reply was I've done a test already to eliminate the Network File Store by setting up a local copy on the server of the files and testing against that, and the results were the same. So as a matter of understanding what happened, do you know why at the time you got misled by that conclusion, which took us off the scent of that trail? Will just be interesting, forensically. Thanks. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BarryC Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:23 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 9 and Windows server 2008 64bit Hi, After some more testing, thread dumps and operating system process monitoring, we have found that there seems to be a performance issue with files when accessed via NFS. The slow part is when file attributes are being requested for a file on the NFS (this was also shown in the thread dumps with the getBooleanAttributes() function coming up a lot). We have done a couple of tests with rather interesting results (we set up a specific test that loops over some directories and looks at the files in those directories, it does a fileExists(..) on each file in those directories); 1. test local file access time. 2. test file access time via share mounted via NFS path e.g. \\server \path\sharedfiles\ 3. test file access time via an iSCSI mounted drive (still over the network, but the operating system sees it as a lettered drive e.g. d: \sharedfiles\ The local file access time was very fast, for the 20 folders it did it in between 16ms and 50ms The FMS access time was very slow, about 3 seconds for the same 20 folders (I'd expect some delay over the network, but this seems rather a lot). The iSCSI mount was surprisingly fast at about 130ms (indicating that network latency time isn't really the issue?) We're a bit stumped, and the systems guys have had a look at options at the NFS end and there doesn't really seem to be much configuration they can do there. Kai, you mentioned that you run some of your servers with an NFS share, but have no problems, how is your share implemented, do you run it on Linux with the windows servers connecting to that? Regards Barry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 9 and Windows server 2008 64bit
Yes I was going to mention that, I'm not sure what the story is with that (I'm still wondering that myself) It's possible there were some references still pointing to the shared drive or that the slowness was masked by other things we have since fixed. I'll might see if I can dig up the logs I had for that test. Barry. On May 27, 3:49 pm, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Will be interesting to hear the resolution. I'll note that this was indeed one of the contentions I made in my first reply on the thread, when I said that if you had files on another server or SAN/NAS, that i/o can be costly in some configurations (not inherently so, but worth considering). But your reply was I've done a test already to eliminate the Network File Store by setting up a local copy on the server of the files and testing against that, and the results were the same. So as a matter of understanding what happened, do you know why at the time you got misled by that conclusion, which took us off the scent of that trail? Will just be interesting, forensically. Thanks. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BarryC Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:23 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 9 and Windows server 2008 64bit Hi, After some more testing, thread dumps and operating system process monitoring, we have found that there seems to be a performance issue with files when accessed via NFS. The slow part is when file attributes are being requested for a file on the NFS (this was also shown in the thread dumps with the getBooleanAttributes() function coming up a lot). We have done a couple of tests with rather interesting results (we set up a specific test that loops over some directories and looks at the files in those directories, it does a fileExists(..) on each file in those directories); 1. test local file access time. 2. test file access time via share mounted via NFS path e.g. \\server \path\sharedfiles\ 3. test file access time via an iSCSI mounted drive (still over the network, but the operating system sees it as a lettered drive e.g. d: \sharedfiles\ The local file access time was very fast, for the 20 folders it did it in between 16ms and 50ms The FMS access time was very slow, about 3 seconds for the same 20 folders (I'd expect some delay over the network, but this seems rather a lot). The iSCSI mount was surprisingly fast at about 130ms (indicating that network latency time isn't really the issue?) We're a bit stumped, and the systems guys have had a look at options at the NFS end and there doesn't really seem to be much configuration they can do there. Kai, you mentioned that you run some of your servers with an NFS share, but have no problems, how is your share implemented, do you run it on Linux with the windows servers connecting to that? Regards Barry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Adobe need to market CF better in ANZ i think. i was talking to a mate who works in .NET last week and he still doesnt know about CF! i got so pissed off nearly punched him. But the companies are wrong if they claim there's not enough developers. There's just not enough jobs here. thats why i either need to learn another language(i love CF too much to do that) or move to UK or US for a better future as a programmer(which is what i will do most likely) Shakti Misra Adobe Certified Coldfusion Developer shakti_...@hotmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
