Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho needs a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports directly into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually enabled to support CF in a similar way as they do with Creative Suite, Flex and LiveCycle. Kai, how much detail can you add to those suggestions? How do you see each of these points working? just curious barry.b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Adobe should already know these things...and if they don't then why don't they -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 11:05 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho needs a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports directly into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually enabled to support CF in a similar way as they do with Creative Suite, Flex and LiveCycle. Kai, how much detail can you add to those suggestions? How do you see each of these points working? just curious barry.b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
@Steve: you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. That may not be the case. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Adobe should already know these things...and if they don't then why don't they -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 11:05 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho needs a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports directly into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually enabled to support CF in a similar way as they do with Creative Suite, Flex and LiveCycle. Kai, how much detail can you add to those suggestions? How do you see each of these points working? just curious barry.b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet @Steve: you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. That may not be the case. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Adobe should already know these things...and if they don't then why don't they -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 11:05 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho needs a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports directly into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually enabled to support CF in a similar way as they do with Creative Suite, Flex and LiveCycle. Kai, how much detail can you add to those suggestions? How do you see each of these points working? just curious barry.b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I kind of thought the whole point of a discussion was to try to merge disparate views. If there is perfect and complete agreement, not much need for a discussion - better just to go off down the pub instead :-) On May 30, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet @Steve: you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. That may not be the case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I can add as much detail as necessary to this if people who could make such a decision and move were interested. I don't think this mailing list is the right place though to collaboratively work on a job description for a platform/CF evangelism role in ANZ. Cheers Kai On 31/05/2010, at 1:05 AM, Barry Beattie wrote: and that's what I keep saying all the time - Adobe's local office imho needs a) a dedicated platform evangelism role for AU and NZ that reports directly into Ben Forta's evangelism team at Adobe corporate and b) more local knowledge within Adobe about CF so that they are actually enabled to support CF in a similar way as they do with Creative Suite, Flex and LiveCycle. Kai, how much detail can you add to those suggestions? How do you see each of these points working? -- Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Yeah, I figured that was a good option for the night: http://yfrog.com/g0tpezj :) K I kind of thought the whole point of a discussion was to try to merge disparate views. If there is perfect and complete agreement, not much need for a discussion - better just to go off down the pub instead :-) On May 30, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet @Steve: you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. That may not be the case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
LOL - figured you wouldn't need much prompting Kai! Best Wishes, Peter On May 30, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Kai Koenig wrote: Yeah, I figured that was a good option for the night: http://yfrog.com/g0tpezj :) K I kind of thought the whole point of a discussion was to try to merge disparate views. If there is perfect and complete agreement, not much need for a discussion - better just to go off down the pub instead :-) On May 30, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet @Steve: you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. That may not be the case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
This kind of discussion has no value if there is no outcome though -Original Message- From: Peter Bell [mailto:pb...@systemsforge.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 1:42 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet I kind of thought the whole point of a discussion was to try to merge disparate views. If there is perfect and complete agreement, not much need for a discussion - better just to go off down the pub instead :-) On May 30, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet @Steve: you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. That may not be the case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Yeah I agree with Steve there should be outcomes out of a debate like this. I'm not sure if Adobe is going to give us list of action points of what their plan is and how we fit into it by the end of the day/week. That being said I can only hope that at some point they will share it with us. So it would be nice to be given a date of when that would be. Even if this only shared with Adobe Partners. I think a date is not that much to ask for. Ross On 31/05/2010, at 11:29 AM, Barry Beattie wrote: strongly disagree, Steve. Who's to say that the intended audience ISN'T listening? Or that the collective view can't influence the thinking of the powers that be. Or that others can learn from such discussion. Besides, I was just asking for Kai's opinion - he's been around the block a few times, seen a few things. He brought it up and I was just asking that he expand his thoughts with a bit of detail. No harm in that is there? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: This kind of discussion has no value if there is no outcome though cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Im not saying they are not listening. Things have been this way for a long time and many discussions have been had about the same topics and have even been bought up at places like webDu and such and still nothing seems to have changed. All of the discussions are valid and raise very valid points and we all agree that the status quo isn't enough though I honestly believe that not much will change. Adobe is a tools company which is why they push the creative suite products so much including flexthey are visual outcome products and they are easier to sell because you can see outcomes quicker where is CF isn't. Someone during this discussion said that Adobe in ANZ pushes more LifeCycle and those larger ticket items because they make more on them so if price pointing of products is an issue for them when it comes to marketing and penetration and CF is sitting in nomads land in the middle then why don't they drop the pricing down to creative suite land? You cant honestly say that the rd that goes into CF is so much more than the creative suit products that the price has to be so o much more than creative suite? The creative suite master collection which has pretty much every adobe creative tool in it comes in at $2599USD having 15 products where as CF Enterprise $7499USD for a single product (prices quoted from adobe website). Where is the logic in that? The way I see it, the problem covers every area of the businessmarketing, pricing, education, distribution and support, and I mean commercial enterprise level support here. The only area that has been addressed (though not fully) is distribution, and even then from my own personal experiences, if you genuinely are wanting to get involved in distributing the product it is nearly impossible to be able to do so unless you are some huge company. Gradually since Allaire days, through Macromedia and now with Adobe, the personal touch in dealing with support, sales and marketing staff for Adobe products has dwindled away to almost nothing and the utilisation of local partners is next to nothing. Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. Steve -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 9:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet strongly disagree, Steve. Who's to say that the intended audience ISN'T listening? Or that the collective view can't influence the thinking of the powers that be. Or that others can learn from such discussion. Besides, I was just asking for Kai's opinion - he's been around the block a few times, seen a few things. He brought it up and I was just asking that he expand his thoughts with a bit of detail. No harm in that is there? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: This kind of discussion has no value if there is no outcome though -Original Message- From: Peter Bell [mailto:pb...@systemsforge.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 1:42 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet I kind of thought the whole point of a discussion was to try to merge disparate views. If there is perfect and complete agreement, not much need for a discussion - better just to go off down the pub instead :-) On May 30, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet @Steve: you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. That may not be the case. -- You
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I doubt that will happen as that would mean some sort of accountability -Original Message- From: Ross Phillips [mailto:r...@fingersdancing.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 9:35 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Yeah I agree with Steve there should be outcomes out of a debate like this. I'm not sure if Adobe is going to give us list of action points of what their plan is and how we fit into it by the end of the day/week. That being said I can only hope that at some point they will share it with us. So it would be nice to be given a date of when that would be. Even if this only shared with Adobe Partners. I think a date is not that much to ask for. Ross On 31/05/2010, at 11:29 AM, Barry Beattie wrote: strongly disagree, Steve. Who's to say that the intended audience ISN'T listening? Or that the collective view can't influence the thinking of the powers that be. Or that others can learn from such discussion. Besides, I was just asking for Kai's opinion - he's been around the block a few times, seen a few things. He brought it up and I was just asking that he expand his thoughts with a bit of detail. No harm in that is there? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: This kind of discussion has no value if there is no outcome though cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
on the Adobe website...via https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap _ From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I'm jumping in late in this thread, so sorry if I'm repeating something already said. Shouldn't Adobe at least publish the state of Coldfusion in Australia for the benefit of the developers / partners / companies that work on the platform? I.e. how many installations, how big the the community is in Australia? If I knew that there was 10,000 CF 8 Installs in Aus, and 15,000 CF 9 installs, I would feel somewhat comfortable that the product by large is growing, so I can make own adjustments to my career path for example, or get into flex or whatever. Right now, I don't think Adobe lets us know if the product is growing / shrinking, at least from there perspective (licence sales).. Maybe I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, does anyone have states? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: on the Adobe website...via https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap -- *From:* Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
So basically, there needs to be an update of the Partner portal - http://resellers.adobe.com/cgi-bin/user.cgi I'm sure we can push this to Adobe to get fixed. Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: on the Adobe website...via https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap -- *From:* Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
returns the same results as the url i gave you _ From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:24 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet So basically, there needs to be an update of the Partner portal - http://resellers.adobe.com/cgi-bin/user.cgi I'm sure we can push this to Adobe to get fixed. Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: on the Adobe website...via https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap _ From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
@Mark I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their information is out of date. it's their portal, no? Shouldn't they know this? it's their relationship with their partners they should be actively engaging in, yes? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: So basically, there needs to be an update of the Partner portal - http://resellers.adobe.com/cgi-bin/user.cgi I'm sure we can push this to Adobe to get fixed. Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: on the Adobe website...via https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I would be very interested to know how many actual Adobe partners and any level there are in Australia. Mark would you have access to this kind of information? -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:31 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet @Mark I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their information is out of date. it's their portal, no? Shouldn't they know this? it's their relationship with their partners they should be actively engaging in, yes? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: So basically, there needs to be an update of the Partner portal - http://resellers.adobe.com/cgi-bin/user.cgi I'm sure we can push this to Adobe to get fixed. Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: on the Adobe website...via https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Barry Beattie barry.beat...@gmail.comwrote: @Mark I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their information is out of date. it's their portal, no? Shouldn't they know this? it's their relationship with their partners they should be actively engaging in, yes? Agreed - they should know. However, we're all humans, people make mistakes, and in a large organisation, things can get overlooked. That being said, if all we did was stand around and tut-tut to ourselves about how things should be better - do you really think they would get fixed? Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken, I only care that they get fixed - and if we can find and suggest good ways that they can be fixed, then maybe we can instigate some change. Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: So basically, there needs to be an update of the Partner portal - http://resellers.adobe.com/cgi-bin/user.cgi I'm sure we can push this to Adobe to get fixed. Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: on the Adobe website...via https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/partnerportal/index.cfm?loc=en%5Fxap From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 10:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Steve, Where re you searching? via Adobe's website? ot Google? Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Example I did a search for Authorised Resellers in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 Gold level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses in Australia yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for Aobe Partner relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goesIf you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: I would be very interested to know how many actual Adobe partners and any level there are in Australia. Mark would you have access to this kind of information? No... strangely enough I don't get inside information into Adobe's partners and resellers ;) I'm surprised that resellers and partners don't throw up a bit more of a stink if they aren't listed on there. Or maybe people don't even notice? Mark -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken, you should - because even if it's fixed, it'll be unfixed given enough time. It's the underlying causes that's broken. The portal is just a symptom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] [ANN-SYD] Tonight: Introduction to OpenZoom and An Introduction To DVCSes With Mercurial
Note: if you come early, the pizza will be hot. P.S. We'll be giving away a copy of Flash Builder 4. Meet on Tonight, Monday, 31st April at 6pm for 6:30 start. Introduction to the OpenZoom as3 sdk Openzoom is an open-source flash/flex sdk for displaying and interacting with zoomable images or image pyraminds. It is basically an actionscript 3 port of seadragon - the js library that got bought by Microsoft and was turned into the killer feature of silverlight. Openzoom is very still very rough, with major parts of the code missing and hardly any documentation, but it worked well enough for use on http://www.weatherchannel.com.au This talk will give a brief introduction to image pyramids and the architecture of the openzoom sdk so that you can go and use it, abuse it, then fix some bugs so I can use it some more :). Introduction to DVCSes With Mercurial Mercurial is a Distributed Version Control System (DVCS). DVCSes are starting to gain acceptance among developers from lone hackers to globally dispersed mega teams. It doesn't matter what langauge you use, you'll get a introduction to DVCSes, and specifically Mercurial, and be up an running in no time. We'll be meeting at a venue courtesy of Rocketboots. Please RVSP to help with the cartering. Food and drink provided, courtesy of Adobe. Note: In order to be eligible for the major software prize, valued at $US2100, drawn at the June meeting you must have attended at least 3 meeting since the November major software prize draw. Previous major software winners within the last 2 years are ineligible. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney May 2010: OpenZoom and DVCSes Date: 31st May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=22263 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Symptom of what then? If it's a symptom of a greater problem between Adobe and partners/resellers - maybe we can propose some solutions to help alleviate that. Mark On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Barry Beattie barry.beat...@gmail.comwrote: Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken, you should - because even if it's fixed, it'll be unfixed given enough time. It's the underlying causes that's broken. The portal is just a symptom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On 31/05/2010, at 11:19 AM, Brett Herford-Fell wrote: I.e. how many installations, how big the the community is in Australia? A Google search returns 5.6 million cfm pages in Australia. A few years back there were 4,500 distinct .au domains serving ColdFusion pages, which were served from 1,422 distinct IP addresses - I posted an earlier list of domains on cfaussie. Many were hosted at Webcentral or in the US - remember that a site hosted overseas or on (especially overloaded) shared hosting servers is invisible as far as Adobe Australia is concerned. I have reminded (remound, harranged, waved hands at etc) people of this many times before - if you want to support ColdFusion in Australia, host or buy your licenses HERE. Yes it's a bit more expensive, but so is drinking sustainable coffee or clothing not made by slave labour. If the small difference in price threatens the viability of your site, I'd suggest there is something wrong with your business model... Finally remember that the CF community is a lot bigger than the cfaussie mailing list - think of all the people who turn up to CFObjective who otherwise do not participate in user groups or the list. Cheers, Robin ROBIN HILLIARD Chief Technology Officer ro...@rocketboots.com.au RocketBoots Pty Ltd Level 11 189 Kent Street Sydney NSW 2001 Australia Phone +61 2 9323 2507 Facsimile +61 2 9323 2501 Mobile +61 418 414 341 www.rocketboots.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On 31/05/2010, at 11:47 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system? Because you signed up with Express Data, not Adobe. When you signed up with Express Data there was nothing to say that you did it to sell ColdFusion - you might be selling MS Office, Lacie hard drives or Logitec mice. As far as RocketBoots Adobe partnership goes, we don't get many leads through the partner portal so it's not our first priority to keep it up to date (it gets updated yearly with the partnership renewal). We do like advertising our relationship with Adobe via the partner logo on our site, and value our relationship with the local ANZ team. The software licenses also seem to arrive at same time as a new intern or employee, so that's quite useful too. Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On 31/05/2010, at 11:36 AM, Mark Mandel wrote: I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their information is out of date. It's not Adobe's information, it's the partners. Partners can update their information at any time. Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Robin I am signed up with both. I am a Bronze level Adobe partner and an Express Data reseller -Original Message- From: Robin Hilliard [mailto:ro...@rocketboots.com.au] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:12 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet On 31/05/2010, at 11:47 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system? Because you signed up with Express Data, not Adobe. When you signed up with Express Data there was nothing to say that you did it to sell ColdFusion - you might be selling MS Office, Lacie hard drives or Logitec mice. As far as RocketBoots Adobe partnership goes, we don't get many leads through the partner portal so it's not our first priority to keep it up to date (it gets updated yearly with the partnership renewal). We do like advertising our relationship with Adobe via the partner logo on our site, and value our relationship with the local ANZ team. The software licenses also seem to arrive at same time as a new intern or employee, so that's quite useful too. Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
They are Adobe partners and if Adobe had more contact with their partners they would know what is going on. Having 2 out of the 3 websites listed not accessible when searching for partners and resellers is not helping the cause -Original Message- From: Robin Hilliard [mailto:ro...@rocketboots.com.au] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:13 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet On 31/05/2010, at 11:36 AM, Mark Mandel wrote: I think Steve's point is why should the community tell Adobe their information is out of date. It's not Adobe's information, it's the partners. Partners can update their information at any time. Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
On May 31, 7:39 am, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I can add as much detail as necessary to this if people who could make such a decision and move were interested. I don't think this mailing list is the right place though to collaboratively work on a job description for a platform/CF evangelism role in ANZ. Cheers Kai Yup I agree with Kai, I think as a group we are all in agreement the CF vendors (esp Adobe) could do more spreading the CF and expanding the market in ANZ, if they want to talk details i am sure any partners or even any CF developers would be happy to give feedback. There is not much point thinking/talking/planning about actual details (in detail) till Adobe (or Railo) show more interest and invite people who are invested into CF expanding in the region to a working group. @Steve, Mark, Barry Regarding symptoms, it is a sign of a broken system, i.e. no Adobe employee is accountable for CF in ANZ, hence it gets overlooked, I mean if I was management looking for the number of sellers and partners for CF i will assume that CF is dead in ANZ judging from those results... If you need us to sign some online petition/work on an open letter/ spam email and telephone calls to Adobe AU just give the word... Also a thought, might be worth a shot setting up a directory service of some kind of Coldfusion Freelancers/Contractors in Australia... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I think we are barking up the wrong tree. Adobe do no less marketing than JSP or PHP and they are still popular. Sure .NET do more, but Microsoft can afford to. ColdFusion isn't mainstream, it's never going to be mainstream, it's growth in use is probably only reflective of how many additional people are doing web development, not because it's more popular than year X. But I don't pick a technology based on popularity or marketing and shiny brochures. I pick one that does the job I need and offers me something. So while it would be nice if Adobe did more in Australia, it won't have any significant impact, even in the Firmware days ColdFusion wasn't mainstream. The reason it isn't main stream, is the cost, Adobe can argue this however they like, but if ColdFusion were free 10+ years ago, I think ColdFusion would be mainstream now. It's too late now, even if made free, it would need to both be free and heavily marketed, which cost wise probably doesn't make sense. It will be interesting to see how Adobe handle the proposed Server Side ActionScript marketing and pricing. It will be interesting to see if Railo can succeed, from what I can tell New Atlanta BlueDragon has failed. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system? If I join up to be a reseller I shouldn't have to be manually added into the reseller system and then into the website so I can be found for searching. And in addition to that, as a paying partner member if I google adobe coldfusion partner australia I would atleast expect to get people listed as partners on the adobe website but I don't. -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken, you should - because even if it's fixed, it'll be unfixed given enough time. It's the underlying causes that's broken. The portal is just a symptom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
This is why I strongly believe that Adobe should move the CFML Engine into the Open Source market, the others(Railo/openBD etc.) can decide to help Adobe improve this or even get more support from the community by doing this. The language itself would be up to date, and released more often. The rest of ColdFusion that makes life a bit easier can be modularized, which would allow Adobe to focus more on that than the actual engine. Providing better PDF support, Reports etc., would be an area that Adobe can then begin releasing more modules and better improved modules over time. I maintain that this should have happened a long time ago, the core CFML Engine should come with no restrictions on threads etc and Adobe can still package this up with an Enterprise package support program for those who wish to spend the money for that much needed support. But the CFML Engine should be released into the open source market, so it can grow at the same rate as other technologies and languages and not be hindered by a 2 year turn around for updates, patches and enhancements. As this is not a good thing for this language in any way shape or form, it will just keep ColdFusion behind other languages. Wishful thinking I know, but Adobe must know that they could provide more this way and provide better modules/plugins into other applications they own. Like getting the server side to run scripts to do photo manipulation with template scripts into PhotoShop. The imagination of what could be achieved with modules and the rest of Adobes suite of Applications will become endless as they can release that module when it is ready, and not be hindered by other modules. Adobe are you listening? You have a suite of Applications that no other language can leverage of, but you are bogged down by long release cycles that see very little integration into the server for you applications suite. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: The reason it isn't main stream, is the cost, Adobe can argue this however they like, but if ColdFusion were free 10+ years ago, I think ColdFusion would be mainstream now. It's too late now, even if made free, it would need to both be free and heavily marketed, which cost wise probably doesn't make sense. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Also a thought, might be worth a shot setting up a directory service of some kind of Coldfusion Freelancers/Contractors in Australia... Might actually do something herebut not just CF, maybe something general to cover more than just CF -Original Message- From: KC Kuok [mailto:kck...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:25 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet On May 31, 7:39 am, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I can add as much detail as necessary to this if people who could make such a decision and move were interested. I don't think this mailing list is the right place though to collaboratively work on a job description for a platform/CF evangelism role in ANZ. Cheers Kai Yup I agree with Kai, I think as a group we are all in agreement the CF vendors (esp Adobe) could do more spreading the CF and expanding the market in ANZ, if they want to talk details i am sure any partners or even any CF developers would be happy to give feedback. There is not much point thinking/talking/planning about actual details (in detail) till Adobe (or Railo) show more interest and invite people who are invested into CF expanding in the region to a working group. @Steve, Mark, Barry Regarding symptoms, it is a sign of a broken system, i.e. no Adobe employee is accountable for CF in ANZ, hence it gets overlooked, I mean if I was management looking for the number of sellers and partners for CF i will assume that CF is dead in ANZ judging from those results... If you need us to sign some online petition/work on an open letter/ spam email and telephone calls to Adobe AU just give the word... Also a thought, might be worth a shot setting up a directory service of some kind of Coldfusion Freelancers/Contractors in Australia... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Not sure on the value of my contribution or if at this stage we can say anything that will be anything that has not been said already. From someone who started in a CF shop, did the whole Spectra thing, worked through the studio moving to .NET, and then moved into a .NET-centric studio after, for me the ongoing cost of hosting was a deal breaker. The CF argument against .asp used to be that it did things out of the box that were painful in .asp (database connections, emailing), but not so sure that is as solid anymore. Chad who has been trying to go mainstream himself, but ended up as a bit of a creek or tributary On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: I think we are barking up the wrong tree. Adobe do no less marketing than JSP or PHP and they are still popular. Sure .NET do more, but Microsoft can afford to. ColdFusion isn't mainstream, it's never going to be mainstream, it's growth in use is probably only reflective of how many additional people are doing web development, not because it's more popular than year X. But I don't pick a technology based on popularity or marketing and shiny brochures. I pick one that does the job I need and offers me something. So while it would be nice if Adobe did more in Australia, it won't have any significant impact, even in the Firmware days ColdFusion wasn't mainstream. The reason it isn't main stream, is the cost, Adobe can argue this however they like, but if ColdFusion were free 10+ years ago, I think ColdFusion would be mainstream now. It's too late now, even if made free, it would need to both be free and heavily marketed, which cost wise probably doesn't make sense. It will be interesting to see how Adobe handle the proposed Server Side ActionScript marketing and pricing. It will be interesting to see if Railo can succeed, from what I can tell New Atlanta BlueDragon has failed. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system? If I join up to be a reseller I shouldn't have to be manually added into the reseller system and then into the website so I can be found for searching. And in addition to that, as a paying partner member if I google adobe coldfusion partner australia I would atleast expect to get people listed as partners on the adobe website but I don't. -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken, you should - because even if it's fixed, it'll be unfixed given enough time. It's the underlying causes that's broken. The portal is just a symptom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
