Re: [cfaussie] Railo Daemon Team Up

2013-07-09 Thread M@ Bourke
Hi Dale,

Not sure if you were referring to Australia or in general.
Some of the more traffic intensive sites running Railo is of course the
NASA curiosity pages and Apple.com, Apple has over 60 instances running on
there internal/external network.
Some of Apple.com is Adobe CF, some Railo (or if not public their internal
network is) and some of the external site is other stuff.

I'd guess they're the busiest then probably one of Pud's sites in 3rd place.

M@



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote:

  Seems to be getting lots of attention.

 ** **

 I don’t know who is actually using it though.

 ** **

 Geoff what would be good is to promote what big apps people have deployed
 using it, will help others sell the solution.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

 ** **

 *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Andrew Myers
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 July 2013 11:29 AM
 *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Railo  Daemon Team Up

 ** **

 I don't think it's just you Kai.  I've noticed it for sure.

 ** **

 We're still on ACF ourselves (for the foreseeable future) but it's really
 healthy to see alternatives like Railo.  

 ** **

 Great news Geoff


 On 09/07/2013, at 10:16 AM, Kai Koenig grmblz...@gmail.com wrote:

  +1 - super awesome, Geoff!

 On another note - I'm the first Railo instructor outside of The Railo
 Company and there are actually really nice training offerings for
 Administration and Developers out there (we offer the trainings on-site and
 remotely).

 If anyone in the region is interested in obtaining CFML/Railo training,
 let me know and we'll see what we can do for you!

 Is it me or is Oceania becoming a bit of a hub of Railo activity recently?
 :)


 Cheers
 Kai

 ** **



 

 Folks,

 ** **

 This news has been out for a little while but I thought it was worth
 posting here:

   http://www.daemon.com.au/news/railo-teams-up-with-daemon-in-asia-pacific
 

 ** **

 Hoping to do our bit to revitalise the CFML community locally. We've been
 working on a lot of big CFML projects of late and Daemon is keen to see a
 ColdFusion renaissance. Backing the Railo road-map for CF is just the first
 step. 

 ** **

 We're open to ideas -- we would love to hear your thoughts.  


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Re: [cfaussie] Railo Daemon Team Up

2013-07-09 Thread Kai Koenig
http://fandalism.com/ is Railo-based and very successful. Amtrak California is 
using Railo, 

There are a good bunch of big sites in Germany and Switzerland I know of (among 
them IDG Germany - one of Germanys largest magazine publishers and the RTL 
Television Group).

Also I've worked with and training a few large Railo-customers who I 
unfortunately can't discuss on a public mailing list as they use the product 
internally only and might or might not want to be publicly named.

Among my direct/own consulting clients, a few have migrated to Railo 
successfully, a few others are currently in the process or investigating a 
potential move from ACF to Railo.

Cheers
Kai


 Hi Dale,
 
 Not sure if you were referring to Australia or in general.
 Some of the more traffic intensive sites running Railo is of course the NASA 
 curiosity pages and Apple.com, Apple has over 60 instances running on there 
 internal/external network.
 Some of Apple.com is Adobe CF, some Railo (or if not public their internal 
 network is) and some of the external site is other stuff.
 
 I'd guess they're the busiest then probably one of Pud's sites in 3rd place.
 
 M@
 
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote:
 Seems to be getting lots of attention.
 
  
 
 I don’t know who is actually using it though.
 
  
 
 Geoff what would be good is to promote what big apps people have deployed 
 using it, will help others sell the solution.
 
  
 
 Regards
 
 Dale Fraser
 
  
 
 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Andrew Myers
 Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013 11:29 AM
 To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Railo  Daemon Team Up
 
  
 
 I don't think it's just you Kai.  I've noticed it for sure.
 
  
 
 We're still on ACF ourselves (for the foreseeable future) but it's really 
 healthy to see alternatives like Railo.  
 
  
 
 Great news Geoff
 
 
 On 09/07/2013, at 10:16 AM, Kai Koenig grmblz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 +1 - super awesome, Geoff!
 
 On another note - I'm the first Railo instructor outside of The Railo 
 Company and there are actually really nice training offerings for 
 Administration and Developers out there (we offer the trainings on-site and 
 remotely).
 
 If anyone in the region is interested in obtaining CFML/Railo training, let 
 me know and we'll see what we can do for you!
 
 Is it me or is Oceania becoming a bit of a hub of Railo activity recently? :)
 
 
 Cheers
 Kai
 
  
 
 
 
 
 Folks,
 
  
 
 This news has been out for a little while but I thought it was worth posting 
 here:
 
   http://www.daemon.com.au/news/railo-teams-up-with-daemon-in-asia-pacific
 
  
 
 Hoping to do our bit to revitalise the CFML community locally. We've been 
 working on a lot of big CFML projects of late and Daemon is keen to see a 
 ColdFusion renaissance. Backing the Railo road-map for CF is just the first 
 step. 
 
  
 
 We're open to ideas -- we would love to hear your thoughts.  
 
 
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Re: [cfaussie] Railo Daemon Team Up

2013-07-09 Thread Kai Koenig
Also: I think you'll find that a good bunch of deployments of CMS systems such 
as Farcry, MuraCMS and CONTENS actually use Railo as the underlying CFML engine 
without people that really realising resp. talking about it. Very hard to 
estimate though.

Cheers
Kai


On 9/07/2013, at 9:08 PM, M@ Bourke wrote:

 Hi Dale,
 
 Not sure if you were referring to Australia or in general.
 Some of the more traffic intensive sites running Railo is of course the NASA 
 curiosity pages and Apple.com, Apple has over 60 instances running on there 
 internal/external network.
 Some of Apple.com is Adobe CF, some Railo (or if not public their internal 
 network is) and some of the external site is other stuff.
 
 I'd guess they're the busiest then probably one of Pud's sites in 3rd place.
 
 M@
 
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote:
 Seems to be getting lots of attention.
 
  
 
 I don’t know who is actually using it though.
 
  
 
 Geoff what would be good is to promote what big apps people have deployed 
 using it, will help others sell the solution.
 
  
 
 Regards
 
 Dale Fraser
 
  
 
 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Andrew Myers
 Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013 11:29 AM
 To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Railo  Daemon Team Up
 
  
 
 I don't think it's just you Kai.  I've noticed it for sure.
 
  
 
 We're still on ACF ourselves (for the foreseeable future) but it's really 
 healthy to see alternatives like Railo.  
 
  
 
 Great news Geoff
 
 
 On 09/07/2013, at 10:16 AM, Kai Koenig grmblz...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 +1 - super awesome, Geoff!
 
 On another note - I'm the first Railo instructor outside of The Railo 
 Company and there are actually really nice training offerings for 
 Administration and Developers out there (we offer the trainings on-site and 
 remotely).
 
 If anyone in the region is interested in obtaining CFML/Railo training, let 
 me know and we'll see what we can do for you!
 
 Is it me or is Oceania becoming a bit of a hub of Railo activity recently? :)
 
 
 Cheers
 Kai
 
  
 
 
 
 
 Folks,
 
  
 
 This news has been out for a little while but I thought it was worth posting 
 here:
 
   http://www.daemon.com.au/news/railo-teams-up-with-daemon-in-asia-pacific
 
  
 
 Hoping to do our bit to revitalise the CFML community locally. We've been 
 working on a lot of big CFML projects of late and Daemon is keen to see a 
 ColdFusion renaissance. Backing the Railo road-map for CF is just the first 
 step. 
 
  
 
 We're open to ideas -- we would love to hear your thoughts.  
 
 
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Re: [cfaussie] Railo Daemon Team Up

2013-07-09 Thread M@ Bourke
I've been using it for a few years for personal projects and have recently
moved several clients over to it, one is a mission critical app that will
kill people if bugs are in it, well it won't actually kill them, it'll just
not save them.

I also have a client (one of the largest companies in the world) who has
Adobe cf applications, but I run locally also on railo express, I use railo
express to optimize the app ( see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRpET9PUayI), but test and run it on
Adobe cf.
My goal is to move this company over to Railo, I have quite a few other
tasks to get through first.

I have a few clients where they've brought in non CF devs, and to be honest
they were vomiting at CF, mostly because of 3 things, preconceived views
from the 90's, CFML based classes, JRUN.
Once I introduce them to Railo and say here, it's open source, grab the
code from here and knock ya self out its a big psychological relief,  many
developers these days have gone their whole career only using open source
languages etc.
Railo's CFscript is quite easy for non CF Devs to get accustomed too, I
don't think you could ever satisfy a good developer to use CFML if he/she
isn't already a CF dev.

Personally I think its best for a code base to bring in *great* non cf
devs, I've worked with some devs who after 4 weeks of working with Railo
were better than any CF devs I've worked with in the past regardless of CF
experience.

It also helps to use a good framework like Coldbox, I've had several Devs
come in thinking they know how crap CF is and tell me how their
language/framework has OO,ORM,AOP,DI etc and give me a smug look lol.
now I'm rambling.



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Kai Koenig grmblz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also: I think you'll find that a good bunch of deployments of CMS systems
 such as Farcry, MuraCMS and CONTENS actually use Railo as the underlying
 CFML engine without people that really realising resp. talking about it.
 Very hard to estimate though.

 Cheers
 Kai


 On 9/07/2013, at 9:08 PM, M@ Bourke wrote:

 Hi Dale,

 Not sure if you were referring to Australia or in general.
 Some of the more traffic intensive sites running Railo is of course the
 NASA curiosity pages and Apple.com, Apple has over 60 instances running
 on there internal/external network.
 Some of Apple.com is Adobe CF, some Railo (or if not public their
 internal network is) and some of the external site is other stuff.

 I'd guess they're the busiest then probably one of Pud's sites in 3rd
 place.

 M@



 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote:

  Seems to be getting lots of attention.

 ** **

 I don’t know who is actually using it though.

 ** **

 Geoff what would be good is to promote what big apps people have deployed
 using it, will help others sell the solution.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

 ** **

 *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Andrew Myers
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 July 2013 11:29 AM
 *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Railo  Daemon Team Up

 ** **

 I don't think it's just you Kai.  I've noticed it for sure.

 ** **

 We're still on ACF ourselves (for the foreseeable future) but it's really
 healthy to see alternatives like Railo.  

 ** **

 Great news Geoff


 On 09/07/2013, at 10:16 AM, Kai Koenig grmblz...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 - super awesome, Geoff!

 On another note - I'm the first Railo instructor outside of The Railo
 Company and there are actually really nice training offerings for
 Administration and Developers out there (we offer the trainings on-site and
 remotely).

 If anyone in the region is interested in obtaining CFML/Railo training,
 let me know and we'll see what we can do for you!

 Is it me or is Oceania becoming a bit of a hub of Railo activity
 recently? :)


 Cheers
 Kai

 ** **



 

 Folks,

 ** **

 This news has been out for a little while but I thought it was worth
 posting here:


 http://www.daemon.com.au/news/railo-teams-up-with-daemon-in-asia-pacific*
 ***

 ** **

 Hoping to do our bit to revitalise the CFML community locally. We've been
 working on a lot of big CFML projects of late and Daemon is keen to see a
 ColdFusion renaissance. Backing the Railo road-map for CF is just the first
 step. 

 ** **

 We're open to ideas -- we would love to hear your thoughts.  


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[cfaussie] ColdFusion/Railo on Java PaaS

2013-07-09 Thread Geoff Bowers
Anyone out there been working with a Java PaaS (platform as a service)?

Been having some great success tinkering with CloudBees 
(http://www.cloudbees.net).  Was wondering if anyone had good experiences 
on other platforms as well.

Trying to work out if its viable or not to consider these deployment 
environments for client CF apps, and move to the whole NoOPS Nirvana.

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Re: [cfaussie] Railo Daemon Team Up

2013-07-09 Thread Geoff Bowers
On Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:03:38 UTC+10, M@ wrote:

 I also have a client (one of the largest companies in the world) who has 
 Adobe cf applications, but I run locally also on railo express, I use railo 
 express to optimize the app ( see 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRpET9PUayI ), but test and run it on 
 Adobe cf.


That's a great little video by the way -- thanks for sharing.  It's these 
sorts of *developer* focused features that make the whole engine compelling 
to work with.

GB

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RE: [cfaussie] Railo Daemon Team Up

2013-07-09 Thread Dale Fraser
Interesting,

That's the stuff that should be widely known, I knew there was some usage on 
the apple site, had no idea it was railo at that scale.

Regards
Dale Fraser

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M@ Bourke
Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013 7:09 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Railo  Daemon Team Up

Hi Dale,

Not sure if you were referring to Australia or in general.
Some of the more traffic intensive sites running Railo is of course the NASA 
curiosity pages and Apple.com, Apple has over 60 instances running on there 
internal/external network.
Some of Apple.com is Adobe CF, some Railo (or if not public their internal 
network is) and some of the external site is other stuff.

I'd guess they're the busiest then probably one of Pud's sites in 3rd place.

M@


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Dale Fraser 
d...@fraser.id.aumailto:d...@fraser.id.au wrote:
Seems to be getting lots of attention.

I don't know who is actually using it though.

Geoff what would be good is to promote what big apps people have deployed using 
it, will help others sell the solution.

Regards
Dale Fraser

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.commailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.commailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andrew Myers
Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013 11:29 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.commailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Railo  Daemon Team Up

I don't think it's just you Kai.  I've noticed it for sure.

We're still on ACF ourselves (for the foreseeable future) but it's really 
healthy to see alternatives like Railo.

Great news Geoff

On 09/07/2013, at 10:16 AM, Kai Koenig 
grmblz...@gmail.commailto:grmblz...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 - super awesome, Geoff!

On another note - I'm the first Railo instructor outside of The Railo Company 
and there are actually really nice training offerings for Administration and 
Developers out there (we offer the trainings on-site and remotely).

If anyone in the region is interested in obtaining CFML/Railo training, let me 
know and we'll see what we can do for you!
Is it me or is Oceania becoming a bit of a hub of Railo activity recently? :)

Cheers
Kai


Folks,

This news has been out for a little while but I thought it was worth posting 
here:
  http://www.daemon.com.au/news/railo-teams-up-with-daemon-in-asia-pacific

Hoping to do our bit to revitalise the CFML community locally. We've been 
working on a lot of big CFML projects of late and Daemon is keen to see a 
ColdFusion renaissance. Backing the Railo road-map for CF is just the first 
step.

We're open to ideas -- we would love to hear your thoughts.

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Re: [cfaussie] ColdFusion/Railo on Java PaaS

2013-07-09 Thread Mark Mandel
The issue we found was that pretty much all the PaaS systems out there were
only available in one region - e.g. I think (at the time) CloudBees was
only US-East on AWS (pretty sure they have Europe options now?).

So it there was a entire region outage (which has happened in the past),
you were up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

For that reason, I've never really hoped on board the PaaS wagon, as it's
too hard to do cross region failover. That being said, if it's not a
priority (or if they fixed that up for you already) then all for it.

(Looks like Heroku is doing cross region failover as a beta atm -
https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/disaster-mitigation, which is pretty
cool).

I also always worry about how expensive CF (More so ACF is vs Railo) is,
resource wise, because of it's monolithic nature and how much it packs into
one punch.  Another very good reason to be able to modularise CF would be
for utilising a large amount of low resource infrastructure, e.g. a lot of
PaaS working together.

So no real world experience, but that was the takeaways I had from looking
into it last year.

Mark




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 Anyone out there been working with a Java PaaS (platform as a service)?

 Been having some great success tinkering with CloudBees (
 http://www.cloudbees.net).  Was wondering if anyone had good experiences
 on other platforms as well.

 Trying to work out if its viable or not to consider these deployment
 environments for client CF apps, and move to the whole NoOPS Nirvana.

 -- geoff
 http://www.daemon.com.au/
 twitter. @modius

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion/Railo on Java PaaS

2013-07-09 Thread Pat
We have had good success with cloudbees.com and not so much Heroku. 

However, this was a play framework scala app (not a CF app) and the issue 
we had with Heroku is that it didn't have a local repository of libs

On Wednesday, 10 July 2013 00:01:26 UTC+10, Geoff Bowers wrote:

 Anyone out there been working with a Java PaaS (platform as a service)?

 Been having some great success tinkering with CloudBees (
 http://www.cloudbees.net).  Was wondering if anyone had good experiences 
 on other platforms as well.

 Trying to work out if its viable or not to consider these deployment 
 environments for client CF apps, and move to the whole NoOPS Nirvana.

 -- geoff
 http://www.daemon.com.au/
 twitter. @modius 


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