[cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does
Running Win 2008 64bit ColdFusion 9 Still battling with my CF server issues, but at least got one step further now *CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does start the server*. Why would the service not start but the batch file would start the server? (don't answer the first part of the question, have gone through logs etc.) The service points to C:\ColdFusion9\runtime\bin\jrunsvc.exe The batch file points to cd ..\runtime\bin jrun -start coldfusion What would be the difference between them? To recap, my CF9 service always has taken ages to start, but today it did not want to start at all anymore, but the cfstart file does get it going right away. Problem, if I log off from the machine the command prompt ends and the server shuts down again. -- Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfind™ - The new Australian Online Marketing Platform (OMP) http://www.onlinemarketingplatform.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does
Hi Taco this could be a memory issue, if it normally works, try restarting the machine, this may fix it but obviously won't prevent it in the future. does your bat file refer to a different jvm config file? in the config file what arguments are being passed to the vm ? if they're different config files I'd guess that they have different Xms size and permsize etc if not then maybe someone else will be of better help :) On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Taco Fleur taco.fl...@clickfind.com.auwrote: Running Win 2008 64bit ColdFusion 9 Still battling with my CF server issues, but at least got one step further now *CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does start the server*. Why would the service not start but the batch file would start the server? (don't answer the first part of the question, have gone through logs etc.) The service points to C:\ColdFusion9\runtime\bin\jrunsvc.exe The batch file points to cd ..\runtime\bin jrun -start coldfusion What would be the difference between them? To recap, my CF9 service always has taken ages to start, but today it did not want to start at all anymore, but the cfstart file does get it going right away. Problem, if I log off from the machine the command prompt ends and the server shuts down again. -- Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfind™ - The new Australian Online Marketing Platform (OMP) http://www.onlinemarketingplatform.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does
Hi, The machine has been restarted plenty of times. The bat file doesn't point to a different jvm file. Cheers On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:52 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Taco this could be a memory issue, if it normally works, try restarting the machine, this may fix it but obviously won't prevent it in the future. does your bat file refer to a different jvm config file? in the config file what arguments are being passed to the vm ? if they're different config files I'd guess that they have different Xms size and permsize etc if not then maybe someone else will be of better help :) On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Taco Fleur taco.fl...@clickfind.com.auwrote: Running Win 2008 64bit ColdFusion 9 Still battling with my CF server issues, but at least got one step further now *CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does start the server* . Why would the service not start but the batch file would start the server? (don't answer the first part of the question, have gone through logs etc.) The service points to C:\ColdFusion9\runtime\bin\jrunsvc.exe The batch file points to cd ..\runtime\bin jrun -start coldfusion What would be the difference between them? To recap, my CF9 service always has taken ages to start, but today it did not want to start at all anymore, but the cfstart file does get it going right away. Problem, if I log off from the machine the command prompt ends and the server shuts down again. -- Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfind™ - The new Australian Online Marketing Platform (OMP) http://www.onlinemarketingplatform.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Kind regards, Taco Fleur clickfind™ - The new Australian Online Marketing Platform (OMP) http://www.onlinemarketingplatform.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does
I would concur with M@ and Steve, Taco. Generally the problem would seem to be related to one of their observations. Here are some more thoughts that may help. To Steve's observation, consider that when you start CF from the command line (cfstart), it runs under the account of the user you are logged in as. When you start CF as a service, it runs instead under the user that the service is set to use (System, by default, or any other user of your choosing). So first, check what user the service is set to run as. Especially if it's not System, then it may be that there is an issue with permissions for files used by CF, for that user. I'm curious: do you see *any* messages of interest in the [cf]\runtime\logs (or [jrun]\logs), relative to this startup? Even if not while it's starting, what about if you cancel the starting process? You may see also that there is some port conflict. To that, you may say how can that depend on the user. I wouldn't think it would, but it points to what could be another problem. And that goes to M@'s observation. You said that the bat does not use a different jvm.config, but here's a different way to look at the possible issue: not whether The bat file [points] to a different jvm file but instead, whether the *service* does. Especially with the Multiserver form of deployment, it's not unusual for folks to want to have each instance to have its own jvm.config, and they can read various blogs that show how to do that. The cfstart.bat, on the other hand, defaults to using the basic jvm.config. It's a little hard to tell if/how the service uses a different jvm.config. One way is to look at the registry entry for the service. Another (clumsy but trustworthy) would be to introduce an error into the jvm.config (that you THINK the service is using) and see if the startup using that service does indeed fail due to whatever error you introduced. Now, Taco, I realize that in your case you're saying that the service doesn't start at all, as it is, so it's harder for you to rely on this technique, but I'd still wonder if you might get a very different error/response to starting the service if the jvm.config had some blatant (intentionally introduced) error. It's worth a shot. But it could be still something else. Let's hear what you think of the above, or whatever else you/others may have to say. Interesting challenge. /charlie arehart char...@carehart.org Providing fast, remote, on-demand troubleshooting services for CF (and CFBuilder) More at http://www.carehart.org/consulting From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:15 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does Also i think the different methods use different system users to start the process. From: M@ Bourke [mailto:m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 10:52 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does Hi Taco snip does your bat file refer to a different jvm config file? snip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does
I put the administrator account on the service and it started, so yes Steve was right that it had something to do with it... But... 1. this is still the same issue (cf service becoming unresponsive) I tackled together with you Charlie a while ago, we could find nothing in the logs other than some requests that take long but from a known page, and requests taking longer and longer to process (same config and system that run good for 3 years until moved to win 2008 64bit CF9) 2. the config has not changed on that server for anything since the time we looked at it 3. start up has been slower and slower over time, same as shutdown of the cf service (you would think if it's permission problems the service would have never started) 4. this morning when I ran the cf service via the bat file I watched the output in the command prompt while it became unresponsive again, it's still running but requests are just timing out and taking longer and longer (Charlie, we went through the whole debugging process together on this, but got nowhere) At least I got it back up and running again, I'll just put up with the having to restart until I discover the intermittent problem (it was gone for 2 to 3 weeks) or move to another server. My own guesses for this are: - Google indexing like mad and something had changed in CF9 internally - Hacker having a good time - Something in CF9 on 64bit not working as it should PS: I've also re-installed the CF server a few times as multi server, single, self contained etc. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:02 AM, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: I would concur with M@ and Steve, Taco. Generally the problem would seem to be related to one of their observations. Here are some more thoughts that may help. To Steve’s observation, consider that when you start CF from the command line (cfstart), it runs under the account of the user you are logged in as. When you start CF as a service, it runs instead under the user that the service is set to use (System, by default, or any other user of your choosing). So first, check what user the service is set to run as. Especially if it’s not System, then it may be that there is an issue with permissions for files used by CF, for that user. I’m curious: do you see **any** messages of interest in the [cf]\runtime\logs (or [jrun]\logs), relative to this startup? Even if not while it’s starting, what about if you cancel the starting process? You may see also that there is some port conflict. To that, you may say “how can that depend on the user”. I wouldn’t think it would, but it points to what could be another problem. And that goes to M@’s observation. You said that the bat does not use a different jvm.config, but here’s a different way to look at the possible issue: not whether “The bat file [points] to a different jvm file” but instead, whether the **service** does. Especially with the Multiserver form of deployment, it’s not unusual for folks to want to have each instance to have its own jvm.config, and they can read various blogs that show how to do that. The cfstart.bat, on the other hand, defaults to using the basic jvm.config. It’s a little hard to tell if/how the service uses a different jvm.config. One way is to look at the registry entry for the service. Another (clumsy but trustworthy) would be to introduce an error into the jvm.config (that you THINK the service is using) and see if the startup using that service does indeed fail due to whatever error you introduced. Now, Taco, I realize that in your case you’re saying that the service doesn’t start at all, as it is, so it’s harder for you to rely on this technique, but I’d still wonder if you might get a very different error/response to starting the service if the jvm.config had some blatant (intentionally introduced) error. It’s worth a shot. But it could be still something else. Let’s hear what you think of the above, or whatever else you/others may have to say. Interesting challenge. /charlie arehart char...@carehart.org Providing fast, remote, on-demand troubleshooting services for CF (and CFBuilder) More at http://www.carehart.org/consulting *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Onnis *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 9:15 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does Also i think the different methods use different system users to start the process. *From:* M@ Bourke [mailto:m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 16 May 2011 10:52 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does Hi Taco snip does your bat file refer to a different jvm config file? snip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com
RE: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does
Taco, if I recall correctly, we didn't get to do a session together where we looked at things via Connect (or me connecting via RDP). Instead, we were only able to talk through things and email back and forth, which seriously hampered our ability to make much headway. You were also in a hurry to get out of town, if I recall which also limited your availability of time. Finally, I'm pretty sure I never charged for any of the time, since we didn't solve anything. So I will make the offer again that I did last time, to give you time to try to help put an end to the madness for you. I really hate to hear that you're still struggling with this. If interested, contact me off-list (char...@carehart.org) to arrange a time for us to work together or to give me RDP access. /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:46 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF9 Service does not start but cfstart.bat does I put the administrator account on the service and it started, so yes Steve was right that it had something to do with it... But... 1. this is still the same issue (cf service becoming unresponsive) I tackled together with you Charlie a while ago, we could find nothing in the logs other than some requests that take long but from a known page, and requests taking longer and longer to process (same config and system that run good for 3 years until moved to win 2008 64bit CF9) 2. the config has not changed on that server for anything since the time we looked at it 3. start up has been slower and slower over time, same as shutdown of the cf service (you would think if it's permission problems the service would have never started) 4. this morning when I ran the cf service via the bat file I watched the output in the command prompt while it became unresponsive again, it's still running but requests are just timing out and taking longer and longer (Charlie, we went through the whole debugging process together on this, but got nowhere) At least I got it back up and running again, I'll just put up with the having to restart until I discover the intermittent problem (it was gone for 2 to 3 weeks) or move to another server. My own guesses for this are: - Google indexing like mad and something had changed in CF9 internally - Hacker having a good time - Something in CF9 on 64bit not working as it should PS: I've also re-installed the CF server a few times as multi server, single, self contained etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
