[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
After all the issues I have had getting justone web service going on the new server I would gladly move over to .Net in a flash if it promises smoother and more standardisedweb service development. Adobe can shove their open source AXIS where the sun dont shine as far as I care Joel -Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Shane FarmerSent: Wednesday, 5 July 2006 8:40 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of meYou are absolutely right, Charlie. It would have been early last year they started thinking about the move. BD.net would have only made the change less rushed as all code would eventually have been asp.net. As far as I know, this never eventuated and the company is still running CFMX.Shane On 7/5/06, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shane, that must have been over a year ago that you found BD.NET to be in beta. It has long been in production use by many companies now, not the least of which is Myspace, which many know was a CF5 site that was gasping until they decided to move to .NET and found BD.NET a great way to make the move while preserving their CFML investment--all with getting a bug bounce in performance. There are some who accuse it of being slower, but I know from the folks at Myspace (who watch their servers very closely and professionally) that there has indeed been considerable improvement. So much so, in fact, that MS has made "great hay" of saying that it's running on .NET--without mentioning that it's CFML on .NET by way of BlueDragon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
if it promises smoother and more standardised web service development. Joel (and apologies to Jeremy for drifting further OT)... I realise you're talking about server issues with erbservices (not consuming them) but MS isn't without their webservice grief. it comes down to MS thinking they know best when it comes to standards. (don't you just love standards? there's so many to choose from!) here's just one example from the Flexcoders list: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders@yahoogroups.com/msg30801.html but I'm sure others can chime in with having been caught out with nuiances using .NET based webservices... On 7/6/06, Joel Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After all the issues I have had getting just one web service going on the new server I would gladly move over to .Net in a flash if it promises smoother and more standardised web service development. Adobe can shove their open source AXIS where the sun dont shine as far as I care Joel -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane Farmer Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2006 8:40 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me You are absolutely right, Charlie. It would have been early last year they started thinking about the move. BD.net would have only made the change less rushed as all code would eventually have been asp.net. As far as I know, this never eventuated and the company is still running CFMX. Shane On 7/5/06, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shane, that must have been over a year ago that you found BD.NET to be in beta. It has long been in production use by many companies now, not the least of which is Myspace, which many know was a CF5 site that was gasping until they decided to move to .NET and found BD.NET a great way to make the move while preserving their CFML investment--all with getting a bug bounce in performance. There are some who accuse it of being slower, but I know from the folks at Myspace (who watch their servers very closely and professionally) that there has indeed been considerable improvement. So much so, in fact, that MS has made great hay of saying that it's running on .NET--without mentioning that it's CFML on .NET by way of BlueDragon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
My impression is the shift (shaft) to .net is no CF programmers available here any more.Not much one person can do about that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
I use to work for a company that wanted to go down the same road. They were after an upgrade to a Microsoft Gold Partnership and that was one path they investigated. They had an entire hosting side of the business based on MS products so it made $en$e to the boss man. When they first spoke about it, I was disappointed to find DB.net only to find it still in beta testing :-( It would have made life easier for me as I was told to prepare a migration strategy for the legacy systems. Like any platform/language, it has strengths and weaknesses when compared to CF but a change of direction like that is one I'm glad I wasn't involved in. Good luck to you if it goes ahead. Maybe you can come out of it with .net under your belt as well as MCSD qualifications (which was the carrot they offered me). ShaneOn 7/4/06, cfgroupie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The company seems to be in bed with MS. So therefore they will doeverything with MS. There is no point introducing another technology.They would rather spend the money and build it in MS.If they want to spend the money then let them. I get paid each month if I program in peanuts. oh wait...no I get paid peanuts...thatsright!Charlie do you ever sleep?!!Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
Shane, that must have been over a year ago that you found BD.NET to be in beta. It has long been in production use by many companies now, not the least of which is Myspace, which many know was a CF5 site that was gasping until they decided to move to .NET and found BD.NET a great way to make the move while preserving their CFML investment--all with getting a bug bounce in performance. There are some who accuse it of being slower, but I know from the folks at Myspace (who watch their servers very closely and professionally) that there has indeed been considerable improvement. So much so, in fact, that MS has made "great hay" of saying that it's running on .NET--without mentioning that it's CFML on .NET by way of BlueDragon. All that said, I just want to add that to Cratima's and others saying that a move to .NET is a bad one, I think there may be a lot of FUD--much like in the early years when we CF folks always painted ASP in a bad light. Look, each tool has its adherents and its pros and cons. Nothing's perfect. Even so, I can tell you from my working on both sides of the fence that both ASP.NET and .NET are very substantial and successful products with huge followings. We can try to dismiss them, but it would be intellectually dishonest to entirely bash them--just as we'd ask the same of those who criticize CF and CFML. Indeed, an important point to keep in mind is that while it's one thing to consider moving from CFML to ASP.NET, it's quite another to consider moving CFML to the .NET framework (which is what BD.NET does). Just as MM helped us see that the move to CFMX was about moving CFML to J2EE as a better platform--and not a move by us as CFML coders to Java as a language, the same thing applies to BD.NET. It's the only way to run CFML on .NET, as the platform. It's not about changing your code to ASP.NET. I don't want to belabor this. And I don't want to leave the impression that I'll jump on any attempt to bash .NET or BD. I realize that people have their preferences and prejudices. Again, I no longer work for New Atlanta, so I'm not here to "sell" it--but despite my move I am still compelled intellectually to make sure thesubject is presented accurately. Again, the webcasts I listed earlier will give more detail to those who are interested. Hope that's helpful. /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane FarmerSent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:13 AMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me I use to work for a company that wanted to go down the same road. They were after an upgrade to a Microsoft Gold Partnership and that was one path they investigated. They had an entire hosting side of the business based on MS products so it made $en$e to the boss man. When they first spoke about it, I was disappointed to find DB.net only to find it still in beta testing :-( It would have made life easier for me as I was told to prepare a migration strategy for the legacy systems. Like any platform/language, it has strengths and weaknesses when compared to CF but a change of direction like that is one I'm glad I wasn't involved in. Good luck to you if it goes ahead. Maybe you can come out of it with .net under your belt as well as MCSD qualifications (which was the carrot they offered me). Shane On 7/4/06, cfgroupie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The company seems to be in bed with MS. So therefore they will doeverything with MS. There is no point introducing another technology.They would rather spend the money and build it in MS.If they want to spend the money then let them. I get paid each month if I program in peanuts. oh wait...no I get paid peanuts...thatsright!Charlie do you ever sleep?!!Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
Why not show them you to run CFML apps on (ach!) .Net? BlueDragon allows that.I pity you however. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
Time to move to Melbourne? They are really struggling down here to find quality ColdFusion expertise. I actually JUST got off the phone from a recruiter. Mark On 7/4/06, Joel Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make coldfusion process .net files aswell as .cfm files, then rename all your .cfm files to .net - they won't know the difference -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Tilbrook Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2006 12:59 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me Why not show them you to run CFML apps on (ach!) .Net? BlueDragon allows that. I pity you however. -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
Jer, I feel your pain. the pointy-hairs here are seriously thinking Java/JSP replacement**. thankfully the (one and only) ASP.NET app I was called in to work on will be the last (I like C# but I won't miss ASP.NET pages). and I just replied to a fellow TAFE teacher hitting hard times getting CF into the classroom, hoping to give him some of my learning curve to try and give him a fighting chance, spread the word and increase the numbers. **see this flat spot on my forehead? that's from the third desk I've dented this month... On 7/4/06, cfgroupie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ahhahahaha Yes good idea...they won't even know the difference. As for blue dragonI've had to many issues with it. Perhaps the new version will be a little better. I spent 6 years learning CF now I have to go relearn all again...damnit I wish we had the matrix plugin thingo...would make life so much easier learn it all in 2 mins. My luck I would have a blue screen of death and end up in a coma. J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
The company seems to be in bed with MS. So therefore they will do everything with MS. There is no point introducing another technology. They would rather spend the money and build it in MS. If they want to spend the money then let them. I get paid each month if I program in peanuts. oh wait...no I get paid peanuts...thats right! Charlie do you ever sleep?!! Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of me
Yes I pity the move to .Net.On 04/07/06, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy, I'll admit I don't know about the issues you may have faced (and Iknow you wrote your note here before seeing mine, as I just sent it), but Iwill recommend you give it another try. I've seen many successful migrations from CF to BD. Heck, moving code from CF5 to CFMX (or CFMX 6 to CFMX 7) hadits challenges. A new platform is a new platform. But as BD has evolved(from 3 to 6.1 to 6.2 to 6.2.1) it has resolved many of the things that may have tripped one up.Give it a shot. It's free for development use. And you can certainly run iton a box also running CF. I run CF5, 6.1, 7, and BD (both Java and .NETversions) all at once on my laptop. It's a great way to test code and even to solve problems, as sometimes one is better than the other at identifyinga cause of my own mistakes. (It also definitely helps prove when the mistakeis between my ears, rather than due to either engine.) /charlie-Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cfgroupieSent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:24 PMTo: cfaussieSubject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: - .NET sucking the life out of meahhahahahaYes good idea...they won't even know the difference. As for blue dragonI've had to many issues with it. Perhaps the newversion will be a little better.I spent 6 years learning CF now I have to go relearn all again...damnit Iwish we had the matrix plugin thingo...would make life so much easier learn it all in 2 mins.My luck I would have a blue screen of death and end up in a coma.J.-- Peter TilbrookColdGen Internet SolutionsManager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users GroupPO Box 2247Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620AUSTRALIAhttp://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/Tel: +61-2-6284-2727Mob: +61-0432-897-437Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
