RE: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
Tof, the quote I referred to was from the cf411.com page itself. Otherwise, thanks for all your feedback. It does help me to understand what some people think. /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christophe albrech Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:53 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart Ah ok. Sorry your quote must be from a previous email and I had only read the latest one. As for 411, I understand that it is too late now to rebrand, but I don't entirely agree with the following assumption: I kind of hope that most in the CF world would at least be familiar with the term. I grew up in France, have lived in Australia for nearly 10 years, and spend about 1.5 years in the US in the middle. Still, when I read your email yesterday I had to look up 411. I'll go further, I have no idea what the number is here either. My phone's got google, so why waste my time talking to someone :-) Finally, yes that's what I meant with google analytics. Have you also considered the fact that people don't mention your site because they are well aware you spend time on various mailing list and are most likely to chime in anyway? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
Hey Charlie, Instead of having a just list of things, have you considered making it a little app where developers can comment and rate each item like the review system on amazon? Maybe even a rating system like ebay with 3-5 rows of star (price, ease of use, responsiveness...) That might give it a bit more traction, especially if you can order items by category and rating. Fuck dude, make it a mobile app ;-) Don't go thinking people don't appreciate your efforts buddy, I'm sure everyone on here's either watched some of your recorded preso, or clicked on a link on cf411 (which is a poor name I think, because no one outside of the US would have a goddamn idea what 411 refers to, let alone remember it). do you have google analytics on it, so you can see who goes there and how often? Cheers, Tof P.S.: Sorry about all the swearing. This is Oz, that's what we do :-D On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:30 AM, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Thanks, Brett. That’s an…interesting…way to look at it. :-) I suppose I see that benefit. And if at least others did mention it when such questions came up, I’d be happy to see that. Otherwise it seems I’m usually the only one (on this and other lists), even when I wait a couple of days to see if anyone else does. That’s a bit disheartening—and may even make some think that no one else knows or cares about it. I appreciate your (and Peter’s) kind regards then all the more. As for your appreciating that you hear from others offering alternatives when someone asks if there are any, I’ll note this: certainly if someone asks folks to share their experience working with alternatives (not just “what are alternatives”), then that’s when it makes sense for folks to share individual alternatives, with added opinion, since I don’t offer that on the category lists. But when someone just asks, “what are alternatives for x”, it would just be nice to see someone point out (in addition to any they may favor) that “you can find more alternatives in that category at cf411.com”. :-) Not everyone reads every message in every thread, so I’m sure there are always some who would not already know about it. Thanks for letting me vent for a minute, folks. :-) /charlie ** ** *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett Payne-Rhodes *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:59 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart ** ** For myself at least there is a huge finge benefit to people NOT going directly to CF411.com and that is that I get to hear and learn about these really useful tools before I actually need them... Plus I get reminded about the site as well. Thanks for the great resource Charlie. It might not be top-of-mind but it is definitely appreciated. B) ** ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
Thanks, Christophe. Yes, I have long wanted to improve the CF411 site to be more than just a long list. I mention that in the 2nd paragraph-meaning, I'm well aware of the opps for improvement. :-) I look to improve this interface over time, adding RSS feeds for when I add/change items, perhaps enabling comments per tool/resource, etc. We'll see. The good news is that this work is in fact underway. Can't say when, but it will eventually be very different and I hope therefore to be more effective (I should add to that list, social networking integration to make it easier for others to share their observations about it to others, etc.) A mobile app is an interesting idea, sure. Thanks for that. Will be much easier after a redesign. I also hope to have separate landing pages per category and tool-which may also help with SEO, as well as to then add better searching. Thanks for the general encouragement about my resources. As for the fact that 411 is not a universal concept, it's a fair point but I'm not sure I want to rebrand now. I kind of hope that most in the CF world would at least be familiar with the term, since so much else about CF has tended to be US-centric (for better or worse). As for analytics, honestly, I don't bother with them. I have in the past, but I suspect like most people, I'd look at it, think, that's interesting, and move on, not knowing much I can do with the info. I suppose you're saying that if I saw that lots of people were visiting, that should give me some comfort about its reach, and that may well do so. But my point here in this thread was really about how few people seem to mention it, when the specific questions of what are alternatives for x come up. It just seems that unless people spread the word, it would remain a domain of the cognoscenti. :-) But back to your original points, yes, perhaps if I improve both the look and feel, add RSS feeds, make it easier to sharing things on social networking, etc., that will help make it more visible. /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christophe albrech Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart Hey Charlie, Instead of having a just list of things, have you considered making it a little app where developers can comment and rate each item like the review system on amazon? Maybe even a rating system like ebay with 3-5 rows of star (price, ease of use, responsiveness...) That might give it a bit more traction, especially if you can order items by category and rating. Fuck dude, make it a mobile app ;-) Don't go thinking people don't appreciate your efforts buddy, I'm sure everyone on here's either watched some of your recorded preso, or clicked on a link on cf411 (which is a poor name I think, because no one outside of the US would have a goddamn idea what 411 refers to, let alone remember it). do you have google analytics on it, so you can see who goes there and how often? Cheers, Tof P.S.: Sorry about all the swearing. This is Oz, that's what we do :-D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
Ah ok. Sorry your quote must be from a previous email and I had only read the latest one. As for 411, I understand that it is too late now to rebrand, but I don't entirely agree with the following assumption: I kind of hope that most in the CF world would at least be familiar with the term. I grew up in France, have lived in Australia for nearly 10 years, and spend about 1.5 years in the US in the middle. Still, when I read your email yesterday I had to look up 411. I'll go further, I have no idea what the number is here either. My phone's got google, so why waste my time talking to someone :-) Finally, yes that's what I meant with google analytics. Have you also considered the fact that people don't mention your site because they are well aware you spend time on various mailing list and are most likely to chime in anyway? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Thanks, Christophe. Yes, I have long wanted to improve the CF411 site to be more than just a long list. I mention that in the 2ndparagraph—meaning, I’m well aware of the opps for improvement. :-) “I look to improve this interface over time, adding RSS feeds for when I add/change items, perhaps enabling comments per tool/resource, etc. We'll see.” The good news is that this work is in fact underway. Can’t say when, but it will eventually be very different and I hope therefore to be more effective (I should add to that list, social networking integration to make it easier for others to share their observations about it to others, etc.) A mobile app is an interesting idea, sure. Thanks for that. Will be much easier after a redesign. I also hope to have separate landing pages per category and tool—which may also help with SEO, as well as to then add better searching. Thanks for the general encouragement about my resources. As for the fact that 411 is not a universal concept, it’s a fair point but I’m not sure I want to rebrand now. I kind of hope that most in the CF world would at least be familiar with the term, since so much else about CF has tended to be US-centric (for better or worse). As for analytics, honestly, I don’t bother with them. I have in the past, but I suspect like most people, I’d look at it, think, “that’s interesting”, and move on, not knowing much I can do with the info. I suppose you’re saying that if I saw that lots of people were visiting, that should give me some comfort about its reach, and that may well do so. But my point here in this thread was really about how few people seem to mention it, when the specific questions of “what are alternatives for x” come up. It just seems that unless people spread the word, it would remain a domain of the cognoscenti. :-) But back to your original points, yes, perhaps if I improve both the look and feel, add RSS feeds, make it easier to sharing things on social networking, etc., that will help make it more visible. /charlie ** ** *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *christophe albrech *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:48 AM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart ** ** Hey Charlie, Instead of having a just list of things, have you considered making it a little app where developers can comment and rate each item like the review system on amazon? Maybe even a rating system like ebay with 3-5 rows of star (price, ease of use, responsiveness...) That might give it a bit more traction, especially if you can order items by category and rating. Fuck dude, make it a mobile app ;-) Don't go thinking people don't appreciate your efforts buddy, I'm sure everyone on here's either watched some of your recorded preso, or clicked on a link on cf411 (which is a poor name I think, because no one outside of the US would have a goddamn idea what 411 refers to, let alone remember it). do you have google analytics on it, so you can see who goes there and how often? Cheers, Tof P.S.: Sorry about all the swearing. This is Oz, that's what we do :-D ** ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
It's a great resource Charlie - a hidden GEM! Cheers! Peter Tilbrook Web Administrator, The Club Group Pty. Ltd. Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61-2-6104-9981 Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016 Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/ WWW2: http://www.clubgroup.com.au/ Twitter: @ColdGen ABN: 80 826 226 128 On 15 February 2012 16:25, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Thanks. Yep, I just will keep repeating it when such questions arise until others do. :-) I'll be honest and say I'm bummed how infrequently anyone does. I have nothing to gain from people using the site. It's just a resource (actively updated) for everyone to benefit from, specifically when questions like this arise. Please try to pass it along when appropriate, folks. :-) Or let me know why perhaps you may not want to even if you would think of it. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:14 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart Thanks Charlie. One day I'll learn to stop off at your site *first*. It usually has the answers I need! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
Thanks, Brett. That's an.interesting.way to look at it. :-) I suppose I see that benefit. And if at least others did mention it when such questions came up, I'd be happy to see that. Otherwise it seems I'm usually the only one (on this and other lists), even when I wait a couple of days to see if anyone else does. That's a bit disheartening-and may even make some think that no one else knows or cares about it. I appreciate your (and Peter's) kind regards then all the more. As for your appreciating that you hear from others offering alternatives when someone asks if there are any, I'll note this: certainly if someone asks folks to share their experience working with alternatives (not just what are alternatives), then that's when it makes sense for folks to share individual alternatives, with added opinion, since I don't offer that on the category lists. But when someone just asks, what are alternatives for x, it would just be nice to see someone point out (in addition to any they may favor) that you can find more alternatives in that category at cf411.com. :-) Not everyone reads every message in every thread, so I'm sure there are always some who would not already know about it. Thanks for letting me vent for a minute, folks. :-) /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:59 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart For myself at least there is a huge finge benefit to people NOT going directly to CF411.com and that is that I get to hear and learn about these really useful tools before I actually need them... Plus I get reminded about the site as well. Thanks for the great resource Charlie. It might not be top-of-mind but it is definitely appreciated. B) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
Am looking into using NearMap (www.nearmap.com) as opposed to the seriously out of date GoogleMaps. Sure the CFMAP tag is handy but when the building I've been working in for the last 8 months still shows up as a construction site something is seriously wrong. NearMap has an API that should be easily integrated. Peter Tilbrook Web Administrator, The Club Group Pty. Ltd. Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61-2-6104-9981 Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016 Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/ WWW2: http://www.clubgroup.com.au/ Twitter: @ColdGen ABN: 80 826 226 128 On 16 February 2012 07:30, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Thanks, Brett. That’s an…interesting…way to look at it. :-) I suppose I see that benefit. And if at least others did mention it when such questions came up, I’d be happy to see that. Otherwise it seems I’m usually the only one (on this and other lists), even when I wait a couple of days to see if anyone else does. That’s a bit disheartening—and may even make some think that no one else knows or cares about it. I appreciate your (and Peter’s) kind regards then all the more. As for your appreciating that you hear from others offering alternatives when someone asks if there are any, I’ll note this: certainly if someone asks folks to share their experience working with alternatives (not just “what are alternatives”), then that’s when it makes sense for folks to share individual alternatives, with added opinion, since I don’t offer that on the category lists. But when someone just asks, “what are alternatives for x”, it would just be nice to see someone point out (in addition to any they may favor) that “you can find more alternatives in that category at cf411.com”. :-) Not everyone reads every message in every thread, so I’m sure there are always some who would not already know about it. Thanks for letting me vent for a minute, folks. :-) /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Payne-Rhodes Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:59 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart For myself at least there is a huge finge benefit to people NOT going directly to CF411.com and that is that I get to hear and learn about these really useful tools before I actually need them... Plus I get reminded about the site as well. Thanks for the great resource Charlie. It might not be top-of-mind but it is definitely appreciated. B) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
The best thing to do is don't use the cfchart tag and integrate directly with the java api. So much more you can do. All you need to do is learn how to build the style sheets using the cfchart tool. On 14 February 2012 20:36, ColdGen Internet Solutions coldgen.internet.soluti...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having my own joy with CFREPORT (with CFCHART being a part of it). Seems this is a neglected part of ColdFusion at least documentation and tool wise... Peter Tilbrook Web Administrator, The Club Group Pty. Ltd. Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61-2-6104-9981 Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016 Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/ WWW2: http://www.clubgroup.com.au/ Twitter: @ColdGen ABN: 80 826 226 128 On 14 February 2012 17:04, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: it wasn't too hard to use, all depends on your javascript skills :) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Andrew am2...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Zac, AJ and Mark. That gives me some excellent options to check! Highcharts looks amazing, but perhaps overly complex for my needs. Was it difficult to get up and running with? Regards, Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Zac Spitzer Solution Architect / Director Ennoble Consultancy Australia http://www.ennoble.com.au http://zacster.blogspot.com +61 405 847 168 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Cheers Simon Haddon Woman loves feeling danger and speed. That is why woman wants man. They get a speed rush that is the most dangerous of all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
I'm having my own joy with CFREPORT (with CFCHART being a part of it). Seems this is a neglected part of ColdFusion at least documentation and tool wise... Peter Tilbrook Web Administrator, The Club Group Pty. Ltd. Managing Director, ColdGen Internet Solutions Professional Adobe ColdFusion 9 Application Development President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61-2-6104-9981 Mob: +61-2-0457-449-016 Email Address: pe...@coldgen.com WWW: http://www.coldgen.com/ WWW2: http://www.clubgroup.com.au/ Twitter: @ColdGen ABN: 80 826 226 128 On 14 February 2012 17:04, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: it wasn't too hard to use, all depends on your javascript skills :) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Andrew am2...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Zac, AJ and Mark. That gives me some excellent options to check! Highcharts looks amazing, but perhaps overly complex for my needs. Was it difficult to get up and running with? Regards, Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Zac Spitzer Solution Architect / Director Ennoble Consultancy Australia http://www.ennoble.com.au http://zacster.blogspot.com +61 405 847 168 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
For myself at least there is a huge finge benefit to people NOT going directly to CF411.com and that is that I get to hear and learn about these really useful tools before I actually need them... Plus I get reminded about the site as well. Thanks for the great resource Charlie. It might not be top-of-mind but it is definitely appreciated. B) On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:25 PM, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Thanks. Yep, I just will keep repeating it when such questions arise until others do. :-) I'll be honest and say I'm bummed how infrequently anyone does. I have nothing to gain from people using the site. It's just a resource (actively updated) for everyone to benefit from, specifically when questions like this arise. Please try to pass it along when appropriate, folks. :-) Or let me know why perhaps you may not want to even if you would think of it. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:14 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart Thanks Charlie. One day I'll learn to stop off at your site *first*. It usually has the answers I need! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
