RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent _ From: Dale Fraser [mailto:d...@fraser.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 10:55 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates What are typical contractor rates for a CF developer? Ranges are fine, for an experienced person. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com/ http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com http://flexcf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent Sounds a bit low to me so I'd be interested to hear the high end folks are seeing in Oz. I know a lot of people the in US who have substantially higher rates than that and in Europe rates can go much higher. I know that the US won't bear European rates... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Beg your pardon? I certainly wouldn't consider myself low end that's for sure. Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. When you start dealing with specialised development like for example what Mark Mandel probably gets his hands on then I am sure he pushes it a little more but I wouldn't imagine it would me much more than that. I said that range because I don't want to price myself out of the general development sector where I have placed myself because that is where a lot of the work is -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:23 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent Sounds a bit low to me so I'd be interested to hear the high end folks are seeing in Oz. I know a lot of people the in US who have substantially higher rates than that and in Europe rates can go much higher. I know that the US won't bear European rates... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Ditto, I've been doing CF development in Brisbane since 1997 (so I'd say I'm experienced), and I currently bill at $85 an hour. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:31 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates Beg your pardon? I certainly wouldn't consider myself low end that's for sure. Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. When you start dealing with specialised development like for example what Mark Mandel probably gets his hands on then I am sure he pushes it a little more but I wouldn't imagine it would me much more than that. I said that range because I don't want to price myself out of the general development sector where I have placed myself because that is where a lot of the work is -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:23 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: depends on the length of the contract but usually ranges from 80-100 for someone decent Sounds a bit low to me so I'd be interested to hear the high end folks are seeing in Oz. I know a lot of people the in US who have substantially higher rates than that and in Europe rates can go much higher. I know that the US won't bear European rates... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Ah, yes, they'd take quite a margin, I'm sure. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. Thanx for confirming that. Sounds like rates vary quite a lot by region then and Oz rates are lower than US rates which are lower than European rates (but then the cost of living in the US is lower than in Europe - maybe the cost of living is lower in Oz than the US?). I know from working with Railo Consulting that we have to offer different rates in different regions because of these sorts of considerations. One comment I got from a local agency back when I was freelance was that my rate was much, much higher than the PHP developers they dealt with - but they checked the market and came back and said OK, it seems CF developers get paid a lot more than PHP developers. How do Oz rates for CFers compare with web dev rates for other technologies? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Thanx Kai. That's good insight. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: Sean, both Australia and New Zealand (the latter even more) are what I'd like to call low(er)-wage economies compared to Europe and the US (at least before the GFC, things might have changed as well). 80 AU$ resp. NZ$ is probably about right what one can achieve by going through 3rd party recruiters down here. Typically for corporates and government agencies. That _IS_ on the lower end of things and also depends on the length of a contract and how one positions himself. I personally wouldn't position myself as a general web contractor (as Steve has mentioned in another post), that's not what I am and want to do. That obviously does make a difference in a) what work you get and b) what rate you can achieve. Towards the higher end of the bracket down under you'd probably see around 130-150 AU$/NZ$ for specialised CF work. Overall you're right - you might be able to achieve higher rates overseas, that's one of the reasons why a lot of people here actually do a lot of work for clients in the US and Europe (or also Australia in my case being in NZ). Cheers Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Seriously you can get a PHP developer for like $40-50 an hour...maybe even less. -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 1:57 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Yeah $80 is low and when you are dealing with recruitment agencies you would be extremely hard pressed to get anything over $80-85 an hour around here. Ah, yes, they'd take quite a margin, I'm sure. Subcontracting yourself yeah you might be able to push the envelope a little and maybe stretch it out to $110-120 an hour but even that is extremely rare from my experience, mainly because of the industry and companies just don't want to pay that sort of money for a contractor for general web development services. Thanx for confirming that. Sounds like rates vary quite a lot by region then and Oz rates are lower than US rates which are lower than European rates (but then the cost of living in the US is lower than in Europe - maybe the cost of living is lower in Oz than the US?). I know from working with Railo Consulting that we have to offer different rates in different regions because of these sorts of considerations. One comment I got from a local agency back when I was freelance was that my rate was much, much higher than the PHP developers they dealt with - but they checked the market and came back and said OK, it seems CF developers get paid a lot more than PHP developers. How do Oz rates for CFers compare with web dev rates for other technologies? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Seriously you can get a PHP developer for like $40-50 an hour...maybe even less. OK. Good to know there's the same differential in Oz as in the US - which makes it good to be a CF developer! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates
Thanks for all the feedback. I was thinking around the $80 mark and that sounds about right unless you're a premium well known identity. Sean your obviously a special case, however I would have thought that given the economy in the USA contract rates would be lower than here. Especially given Australia has one of the highest costs of living of any Country. Sounds like I should sell my property here, move to USA get a contractor role, buy a mansion cheap :) Now where did I leave my green card. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 2:08 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF Contractor Rates On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Seriously you can get a PHP developer for like $40-50 an hour...maybe even less. OK. Good to know there's the same differential in Oz as in the US - which makes it good to be a CF developer! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
