Re: [Chicken-users] German Lisp Workshop at the CCC in Cologne
Hallo, On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Ivan Raikov ivan.g.rai...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, there is also a Common Lisp implementation of readline (MIT-licensed): http://common-lisp.net/project/linedit/ It looks baroque, but perhaps bits and pieces can be scavenged for a minimal Chicken readline. It would probably be easier to steal something from Gambit-C's gsi. -- -alex http://www.artisancoder.com/ ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
[Chicken-users] lazy-ffi coudn't find make-hash-table
It seems lazy-ffi needs srfi-69. I've got this error: #;1 (use lazy-ffi) ; loading /usr/local/lib/chicken/5/lazy-ffi.so ... Error: unbound variable: make-hash-table Call history: syntax (use lazy-ffi) syntax (##core#require-extension (lazy-ffi) #t) syntax (##core#begin (##core#begin (##core#begin (##core#require-for-syntax (quote lazy-ffi)) (##sys#requir.. syntax (##core#begin (##core#begin (##core#require-for-syntax (quote lazy-ffi)) (##sys#require (quote lazy-.. syntax (##core#begin (##core#require-for-syntax (quote lazy-ffi)) (##sys#require (quote lazy-ffi-support))) syntax (##core#require-for-syntax (quote lazy-ffi)) syntax (quote lazy-ffi) syntax (##core#quote lazy-ffi) -- Mehmet ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Possibly of interest to some, I put a couple of my chicken based projects online ...
What are you using that test harness for? That program seems really neat, would you mind talking more about it? -Alan On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 09:51:51PM -0700, matt welland wrote: I've been waiting for some free time to clean it up before making some of my projects public but obviously that day will never come. So, for better or for worse I've put a few of my little projects at http://www.kiatoa.com/fossils/opensrc just in case they are of use to someone. Cheers, Matt -=- ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users -- .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Hello World execution time
John Cowan: It's astonishing that bash is faster than anything but C. Astonishing indeed. The whole thing confirmed my hunch that Bash, Chicken, and C provide a complete toolset to tackle 99.9% of programming needs. Bobby Powers : I got similar, but slightly different results Maybe it depends on the way we are measuring things, maybe on hardware or OS. Try using my bash script: #!/bin/bash run=$* for ((i = 0; i 10; ++i)); do time $run sleep .1 done /dev/null for ((i = 0; i 101; ++i)); do time $run sleep .1 done 21 /dev/null | sed -nE $'s/^real\t0m(.*)s$/\\1/p' | sort -n | sed -n '52s/^/median /p' You can save it as run.sh and then call it on the various hello worlds: $ ./run.sh bash hello.sh median 0.005 $ ./run.sh mono hello.exe median 0.068 ... If you repeat each one a couple times, you should get the same result, ie. 101 runs gave me an absolute error 1ms. So unless I've made some bad mistake, the only way to get better precision would be to code run.sh in some other language (so that it doesn't spawn sleep, sed, and sort), to shut off all system daemons and cron, and to compute mean and stddev. But frankly I couldn't be bothered :-) Now I'll try and add haskell as requested. Tobia ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Hello World execution time
Here with Haskell (ghc compiled): [image: hello-world2.png] Zooming out the mammoths: [image: hello-world2-zoom.png] Tobia hello-world2-zoom.pnghello-world2.png___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
[Chicken-users] Fwd: [lisp-game-dev] industry journal article on lisp in games
Not related to Chicken specifically, but I found it to be an interesting read. --Stephen Sent from my Emacs -- Forwarded message -- From: David O'Toole dto1...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:55 AM Subject: [lisp-game-dev] industry journal article on lisp in games To: lisp-game-dev lisp-game-...@common-lisp.net I found this really interesting industry article on Lisp in game development (link below) Apparently this is being republished from a print journal, so I'm not sure if anyone here has read it before. I've read a chunk of the article and it's fascinating to finally see more details on the legendary GOOL (predecessor of GOAL) used in some very popular Playstation 2 games. http://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/03/12/making-crash-bandicoot-gool-part-9/ Let's put more of our knowledge on the mailing list so that Google (and people who don't use IRC) can see it :) I'll post thoughts after I finish reading. ___ lisp-game-dev mailing list lisp-game-...@common-lisp.net http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lisp-game-dev ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Hello World execution time
Did you add optimizations to the haskell build ? I naively expected the haskell assembly to be as short as C but after some testing it was not and #haskell apparently explained to me it's haskell's runtime. But none the less I've read posts on much more complicated programs in haskell that came blazingly close to C http://cgi.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/blog/2008/06/04#fast-fusion Perhaps it is true that the initialization overhead there really does slow it down for such a small program. Then again the moment you add a single pipe into your bash script or try to do anything more complicated requiring multiple utilities your going to see much more latency. Also I also wonder if everyone is using bash as their main shell and some how that may give it an advantage since it's loaded into memory ? 2011/3/14 Tobia Conforto tobia.confo...@gmail.com Here with Haskell (ghc compiled): [image: hello-world2.png] Zooming out the mammoths: [image: hello-world2-zoom.png] Tobia ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users hello-world2-zoom.pnghello-world2.png___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] lazy-ffi coudn't find make-hash-table
From: Mehmet Kose mehmet.k...@gmail.com Subject: [Chicken-users] lazy-ffi coudn't find make-hash-table Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:51:56 +0200 It seems lazy-ffi needs srfi-69. I've got this error: Thanks, Mehmet - fixed in version 1.8.4. cheers, felix ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] Hello World execution time
Daniel, I know absolutely nothing of Haskell, so it took me a whole 20 minutes to download it, discover the syntax for a hello world program, compile it, and run it. I put an -O2 on the ghc commandline and stripped the executable, but that's it. This benchmark purposefully measures the startup overhead of the runtime system. It's hot-start, meaning that everything is already in the disk cache (in ram). It doesn't measure at all the size of the executable, nor the performance of math algorithms, i/o, threads, gc, or anything else. All of these things would give much different results. I'd be particularly interested in seeing a benchmark of Chicken's gc vs. the other languages mentioned above (Python, Mono, Java) but I'm not knowledgeable enough to write one. I'm still unsure of how Chicken's gc actually works. All I could gather is that there's some kind of dodgy magic going on with stack frames ;-) Tobia ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
[Chicken-users] zip-alist documentation
There seems to be an error in the documentation for zip-alist. Possibly due to a syntax error in the source? http://3e8.org/chickadee/list-utils/zip-alist Second paragraph reads: Error signaling versions of the standard association lookup functions. When the KEY is not found and a NOT-FOUND value is not supplied an error is invoked. This sounds like it is meant for a different function. -- John Foerch ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
