Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Dan Leslie]

Oops, you shouldn't need to install cmake and global. I copy/pasted that
from my Emacs setup readme.

-Dan


On 2016-07-09 5:36 PM, Dan Leslie wrote:
>
> I have just returned from vacation and have access to my Windows 10
> machine again, and so can try out my setup.
>
> Here's what I have done:
>
> Install 64-bit MSYS2, launch bash using the MingW64 shell:
>
> |https://msys2.github.io|
>
> Install the necessary dependencies:
>
> |pacman -Sy pacman -S mingw-w64-cross-toolchain base-devel
> mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-cmake global|
>
> Build and install Chicken:
>
> |tar xf chicken-4.11.0.tar.gz; cd chicken-4.11.0 make
> PLATFORM=mingw-msys make PLATFORM=mingw-msys install |
> And now you have a Win64 build of Chicken.
>
> Note that I also install and use Emacs this way, and interface with
> Chicken through Geiser.
>
> -Dan
>
> On 2016-07-09 4:38 PM, Matt Gushee wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Matt Welland > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Oh, as an aside, it would be fantastic to have IUP be just as
>> easy to install on Linux/Unix. Sadly this is not the case. I have
>> not surveyed the GUI toolkit world recently. Is there a better
>> alternative available for Chicken now?
>>
>>
>> ​I haven't looked around *very* recently, but I've been through many
>> cycles of looking for better GUI toolkits. And everytime I've looked,
>> I seem to find the same answer: that IUP is the *only* reasonably
>> modern and full-featured cross-platform GUI toolkit written in plain
>> C. Ah well, GTK is technically written in plain C, but it has its own
>> complex infrastructure. Everything else is C++ - which I suppose
>> would not be impossible to wrap for Chicken, but nobody seems to want
>> to do it.
>>
>> However, I think the IUP situation is getting better. I built the
>> latest versions of IM, CD, and IUP for Arch Linux about a month ago,
>> and I only had to make one minor change to one of the build scripts.
>> Every previous time I've built the packages, I've had to patch
>> Makefiles and other things. So it seems like the IUP team has finally
>> gotten around to addressing some of the problems people have been having.
>>  
>> --
>> ​Matt Gushee​
>>
>>
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Dan Leslie]

I have just returned from vacation and have access to my Windows 10
machine again, and so can try out my setup.

Here's what I have done:

Install 64-bit MSYS2, launch bash using the MingW64 shell:

|https://msys2.github.io|

Install the necessary dependencies:

|pacman -Sy pacman -S mingw-w64-cross-toolchain base-devel
mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-cmake global|

Build and install Chicken:

|tar xf chicken-4.11.0.tar.gz; cd chicken-4.11.0 make PLATFORM=mingw-msys
make PLATFORM=mingw-msys install |

And now you have a Win64 build of Chicken.

Note that I also install and use Emacs this way, and interface with
Chicken through Geiser.

-Dan

On 2016-07-09 4:38 PM, Matt Gushee wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Matt Welland  > wrote:
>
>
> Oh, as an aside, it would be fantastic to have IUP be just as easy
> to install on Linux/Unix. Sadly this is not the case. I have not
> surveyed the GUI toolkit world recently. Is there a better
> alternative available for Chicken now?
>
>
> ​I haven't looked around *very* recently, but I've been through many
> cycles of looking for better GUI toolkits. And everytime I've looked,
> I seem to find the same answer: that IUP is the *only* reasonably
> modern and full-featured cross-platform GUI toolkit written in plain
> C. Ah well, GTK is technically written in plain C, but it has its own
> complex infrastructure. Everything else is C++ - which I suppose would
> not be impossible to wrap for Chicken, but nobody seems to want to do it.
>
> However, I think the IUP situation is getting better. I built the
> latest versions of IM, CD, and IUP for Arch Linux about a month ago,
> and I only had to make one minor change to one of the build scripts.
> Every previous time I've built the packages, I've had to patch
> Makefiles and other things. So it seems like the IUP team has finally
> gotten around to addressing some of the problems people have been having.
>  
> --
> ​Matt Gushee​
>
>
>
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Matt Gushee]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Matt Welland 
wrote:

>
> Oh, as an aside, it would be fantastic to have IUP be just as easy to
> install on Linux/Unix. Sadly this is not the case. I have not surveyed the
> GUI toolkit world recently. Is there a better alternative available for
> Chicken now?
>

​I haven't looked around *very* recently, but I've been through many cycles
of looking for better GUI toolkits. And everytime I've looked, I seem to
find the same answer: that IUP is the *only* reasonably modern and
full-featured cross-platform GUI toolkit written in plain C. Ah well, GTK
is technically written in plain C, but it has its own complex
infrastructure. Everything else is C++ - which I suppose would not be
impossible to wrap for Chicken, but nobody seems to want to do it.

However, I think the IUP situation is getting better. I built the latest
versions of IM, CD, and IUP for Arch Linux about a month ago, and I only
had to make one minor change to one of the build scripts. Every previous
time I've built the packages, I've had to patch Makefiles and other things.
So it seems like the IUP team has finally gotten around to addressing some
of the problems people have been having.

--
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Vasilij Schneidermann]

Hello folks,

I haven't posted to this list before as I'm more of an IRC person, but
have been notified that I might want to engage this time ;)

> Oh, as an aside, it would be fantastic to have IUP be just as easy to
> install on Linux/Unix. Sadly this is not the case. I have not surveyed
> the GUI toolkit world recently. Is there a better alternative
> available for Chicken now?

I happen to be currently writing my thesis on CHICKEN or more
specifically, GUI programming approaches, the current state of GUI
programming with CHICKEN and the evaluation of interesting looking
libraries to write eggs for.  In the course of this, I wrote and
published three eggs, kiwi[1], nuklear[2] and libui[3].

libui is the closest thing to IUP.  It supports Windows (Win32), OS X
(Cocoa) and Linux/Unix (GTK) desktops, provided they're up-to-date.
Unlike IUP, it's relatively simple to build as it only requires CMake as
prerequisite.  My issues with it so far are that it's still an immature
project and that the API isn't perfect, but that shouldn't be as
noticable with the egg.

As I'm a Linux user, I haven't tested whether any of the eggs could be
made to work with Windows or OS X.  While I'm fairly sure that I could
get a Windows VM going, I'm unfamiliar with the process of using tools
originating from the Linux world as there appear to be several
incompatible ways of doing this and CHICKEN itself is no exception.  I
have no idea about the state of OS X virtualization and getting a Mac
Mini for this purpose doesn't exactly sound attractive...

Any help from more knowledgeable people on this topic is appreciated!

Cheers
Vasilij

[1]: http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/kiwi
[2]: http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/nuklear
[3]: http://wiki.call-cc.org/eggref/4/libui

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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Matt Welland]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:52 AM, John Cowan  wrote:

> Dan Leslie scripsit:
>
> > It reads to me like Chicken needs an automated builder for the Windows
> > package.
>
> It's not very clear how beneficial this is, since in order to use the
> compiler, you'll need gcc and gmake anyway.  (If you just want a Scheme
> interpreter, there are probably better choices than Chicken, though it
> does have some nice eggs.)
>

To use the chicken-iup installer you first install mingw. Two straight
forward, easy installs; mingw and chicken-iup, give you:

 - chicken-scheme with a bunch of pre-installed eggs including the IUP gui,
sql-de-lite and so forth.
 - start csi from an icon
 - ability to compile to executable.

For someone interested in learning Chicken or in creating cross platform
applications using scheme I think chicken-iup or a similar installer is a
godsend. It is not all that easy to install chicken and IUP is a real pain
to install. IUP is the only comprehensive, modern looking, seamless,
cross-platform gui toolkit for chicken that I know of. In my opinion
providing a super-low barrier to entry installer for chicken scheme makes
it far more attractive to folks wanting to explore and try it. Most of the
developers and users seem to be super-gurus who think nothing of the
hacking it takes to get an install going. For us regular folk however this
barrier can be a show stopper. I guess if the sentiment is that beginners
are a pain for the community then you could make a solid argument for NOT
making it too easy to install chicken :)

Oh, as an aside, it would be fantastic to have IUP be just as easy to
install on Linux/Unix. Sadly this is not the case. I have not surveyed the
GUI toolkit world recently. Is there a better alternative available for
Chicken now?



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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[John Cowan]

Dan Leslie scripsit:

> The Haskell Platform is batteries-included; it ships with gcc, binutils,
> bash et al. IIRC, you can opt not to install those if you wish, but
> they install by default.

I guess we could do that, but it would be a pain in the ass to keep up
to date.

> Alternatively, people can now install Chicken through the Bash package
> that Microsoft ships in the Windows store. It's just Ubuntu without
> the kernel.

Sure.  But then it's not _Windows_ Chicken any more.  Interaction between
pseudo-Ubuntu and Win32 is very limited, basically just the shared file
system and TCP/IP sockets.

-- 
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philologists, psychologists, biologists and neurologists, along with
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Dan Leslie]

The Haskell Platform is batteries-included; it ships with gcc, binutils, bash 
et al. IIRC, you can opt not to install those if you wish, but they install by 
default.

Alternatively, people can now install Chicken through the Bash package that 
Microsoft ships in the Windows store. It's just Ubuntu without the kernel.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
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From: John Cowan
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:53 AM
To: Dan Leslie
Cc: Matt Welland; Oleg Kolosov; chicken-users; C K Kashyap
Subject: Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

Dan Leslie scripsit:

> It reads to me like Chicken needs an automated builder for the Windows
> package.

It's not very clear how beneficial this is, since in order to use the
compiler, you'll need gcc and gmake anyway. (If you just want a Scheme
interpreter, there are probably better choices than Chicken, though it
does have some nice eggs.)

-- 
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Thor Heyerdahl recounts his attempt to prove Rudyard Kipling's theory
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Matt Welland]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:26 AM, C K Kashyap  wrote:

> Hi Matt,
> I can volunteer some cycles - I really would like to be able to use
> chicken on windows.
> Regards,
> Kashyap
>

Thanks Kashyap! I'll contact you off-list. If you wish you can start by
browsing the info and scripts/Makefile etc. at
https://www.kiatoa.com/fossils/chicken-iup



>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Matt Welland 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd love to bring the chicken-iup installer up to date but I don't have
>> the time to do it on my own. If anyone has the bandwidth and interest to
>> help please let me know. I think the installer is far and above the easiest
>> way to get going on Windows.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Oleg Kolosov  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 08 Jul 2016, at 00:48, C K Kashyap  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I am very new to Chicken. I've been able to get started with it on my
>>> mac using homebrew. I am not sure about how to get started on windows
>>> though.
>>> >
>>> > What's a good way to install chicken on windows? The binary installer
>>> links shown on the web page seems dated.
>>> >
>>> > Can I build chicken using VC?
>>> >
>>> > Is this the right place to download mingw64 -
>>> http://mingw-w64.org/doku.php/start
>>> > I could not find a download link.
>>> >
>>> > I'd appreciate your help very much.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Kashyap
>>> >
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>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> The simplest way is to install pre-packaged CHICKEN, see
>>> https://wiki.call-cc.org/platforms#microsoft-windows-
>>>
>>> I guess the available binary packages are dated because in 4.10 CHICKEN
>>> changed ABI and build requires bootstrapping which is a pain and nobody
>>> bothered because Windows is not popular here.
>>>
>>> No, you can't build it using VC either. A build system requires GNU make
>>> and code has some GCC'isms and UNIX'isms. Core can be fixed with a few
>>> relatively trivial patches but supporting utilities (chicken-install and
>>> friends) can not, so you wont be able to install eggs. I had the patches in
>>> my CMake based CHICKEN fork but abandoned it due to lack of public interest.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards, Oleg
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[C K Kashyap]

Hi Matt,
I can volunteer some cycles - I really would like to be able to use chicken
on windows.
Regards,
Kashyap

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Matt Welland  wrote:

> I'd love to bring the chicken-iup installer up to date but I don't have
> the time to do it on my own. If anyone has the bandwidth and interest to
> help please let me know. I think the installer is far and above the easiest
> way to get going on Windows.
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Oleg Kolosov  wrote:
>
>>
>> > On 08 Jul 2016, at 00:48, C K Kashyap  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I am very new to Chicken. I've been able to get started with it on my
>> mac using homebrew. I am not sure about how to get started on windows
>> though.
>> >
>> > What's a good way to install chicken on windows? The binary installer
>> links shown on the web page seems dated.
>> >
>> > Can I build chicken using VC?
>> >
>> > Is this the right place to download mingw64 -
>> http://mingw-w64.org/doku.php/start
>> > I could not find a download link.
>> >
>> > I'd appreciate your help very much.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Kashyap
>> >
>> > ___
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>> > Chicken-users@nongnu.org
>> > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> The simplest way is to install pre-packaged CHICKEN, see
>> https://wiki.call-cc.org/platforms#microsoft-windows-
>>
>> I guess the available binary packages are dated because in 4.10 CHICKEN
>> changed ABI and build requires bootstrapping which is a pain and nobody
>> bothered because Windows is not popular here.
>>
>> No, you can't build it using VC either. A build system requires GNU make
>> and code has some GCC'isms and UNIX'isms. Core can be fixed with a few
>> relatively trivial patches but supporting utilities (chicken-install and
>> friends) can not, so you wont be able to install eggs. I had the patches in
>> my CMake based CHICKEN fork but abandoned it due to lack of public interest.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Oleg
>>
>>
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[John Cowan]

Dan Leslie scripsit:

> It reads to me like Chicken needs an automated builder for the Windows
> package.

It's not very clear how beneficial this is, since in order to use the
compiler, you'll need gcc and gmake anyway.  (If you just want a Scheme
interpreter, there are probably better choices than Chicken, though it
does have some nice eggs.)

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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Dan Leslie]

  It reads to me like Chicken needs an automated builder for the Windows package.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Matt WellandSent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:18 AMTo: Oleg KolosovCc: chicken-users; C K KashyapSubject: Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windowsI'd love to bring the chicken-iup installer up to date but I don't have the time to do it on my own. If anyone has the bandwidth and interest to help please let me know. I think the installer is far and above the easiest way to get going on Windows.On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Oleg Kolosov  wrote:
> On 08 Jul 2016, at 00:48, C K Kashyap  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am very new to Chicken. I've been able to get started with it on my mac using homebrew. I am not sure about how to get started on windows though.
>
> What's a good way to install chicken on windows? The binary installer links shown on the web page seems dated.
>
> Can I build chicken using VC?
>
> Is this the right place to download mingw64 - http://mingw-w64.org/doku.php/start
> I could not find a download link.
>
> I'd appreciate your help very much.
>
> Regards,
> Kashyap
>
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Hi!

The simplest way is to install pre-packaged CHICKEN, see https://wiki.call-cc.org/platforms#microsoft-windows-

I guess the available binary packages are dated because in 4.10 CHICKEN changed ABI and build requires bootstrapping which is a pain and nobody bothered because Windows is not popular here.

No, you can't build it using VC either. A build system requires GNU make and code has some GCC'isms and UNIX'isms. Core can be fixed with a few relatively trivial patches but supporting utilities (chicken-install and friends) can not, so you wont be able to install eggs. I had the patches in my CMake based CHICKEN fork but abandoned it due to lack of public interest.

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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Matt Welland]

I'd love to bring the chicken-iup installer up to date but I don't have the
time to do it on my own. If anyone has the bandwidth and interest to help
please let me know. I think the installer is far and above the easiest way
to get going on Windows.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Oleg Kolosov  wrote:

>
> > On 08 Jul 2016, at 00:48, C K Kashyap  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am very new to Chicken. I've been able to get started with it on my
> mac using homebrew. I am not sure about how to get started on windows
> though.
> >
> > What's a good way to install chicken on windows? The binary installer
> links shown on the web page seems dated.
> >
> > Can I build chicken using VC?
> >
> > Is this the right place to download mingw64 -
> http://mingw-w64.org/doku.php/start
> > I could not find a download link.
> >
> > I'd appreciate your help very much.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kashyap
> >
> > ___
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> > Chicken-users@nongnu.org
> > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
>
> Hi!
>
> The simplest way is to install pre-packaged CHICKEN, see
> https://wiki.call-cc.org/platforms#microsoft-windows-
>
> I guess the available binary packages are dated because in 4.10 CHICKEN
> changed ABI and build requires bootstrapping which is a pain and nobody
> bothered because Windows is not popular here.
>
> No, you can't build it using VC either. A build system requires GNU make
> and code has some GCC'isms and UNIX'isms. Core can be fixed with a few
> relatively trivial patches but supporting utilities (chicken-install and
> friends) can not, so you wont be able to install eggs. I had the patches in
> my CMake based CHICKEN fork but abandoned it due to lack of public interest.
>
> --
> Regards, Oleg
>
>
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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

[Oleg Kolosov]

> On 08 Jul 2016, at 00:48, C K Kashyap  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am very new to Chicken. I've been able to get started with it on my mac 
> using homebrew. I am not sure about how to get started on windows though.
> 
> What's a good way to install chicken on windows? The binary installer links 
> shown on the web page seems dated.
> 
> Can I build chicken using VC? 
> 
> Is this the right place to download mingw64 - 
> http://mingw-w64.org/doku.php/start
> I could not find a download link.
> 
> I'd appreciate your help very much.
> 
> Regards,
> Kashyap
> 
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Hi!

The simplest way is to install pre-packaged CHICKEN, see 
https://wiki.call-cc.org/platforms#microsoft-windows-

I guess the available binary packages are dated because in 4.10 CHICKEN changed 
ABI and build requires bootstrapping which is a pain and nobody bothered 
because Windows is not popular here.

No, you can't build it using VC either. A build system requires GNU make and 
code has some GCC'isms and UNIX'isms. Core can be fixed with a few relatively 
trivial patches but supporting utilities (chicken-install and friends) can not, 
so you wont be able to install eggs. I had the patches in my CMake based 
CHICKEN fork but abandoned it due to lack of public interest.

-- 
Regards, Oleg


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Re: [Chicken-users] Installing chicken on windows

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Hi Kashyap,

Welcome to the mailing list! In my own experience, using CHICKEN through
Cygwin has always been the best bet. I believe Cygwin has a package for
CHICKEN, so installing it should be fairly easy. I've also managed to get
CHICKEN to work quite well with Emacs (geiser) / vim (slimv) by adding the
binaries for Cygwin to my user account's PATH in Windows.

Have you tried installing using Cygwin whatsoever? Is there any particular
reason why Cygwin would be undesirable for your purposes (aside from well,
having to install it)?

Let me know if something doesn't make sense :)
- -- 
Jeremy Steward
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