[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Aug 24, 3:58 am, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: We already have this since web pages take over things like ctrl-w and ctrl-f (and we wouldn't want to change that since in many cases it's important that they do so). AFAICT, at least Alt+Shift+T and Alt+D seem not to be preventable by a web page. If we were going to do this we should just give up. We already have alt-shit-t and that's good enough if we're going to use hard-to-find non-standard access keys. The entire point of alt, alt-f and alt-e is to pick things users will naively try to use. Well, I wouldn't really call having to hit Alt+Shift+T, Left * 5, Space for accessing the wrench menu good enough. Whether you choose Alt+F or Alt+Shift+whathever, Chrome feels like being less in your way (once you know the shortcut). Then again: Is accessibility one of the goals for Chrome at all? Or is it just not tested for for lack of manpower? As it currently stands, it can get quite frustrating to use without a mouse (double accesskeys in menus, no accesskeys at all in dialogs, certain shortcuts unavailable on non-US keyboards, page actions unreachable). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:14 PM, zeniko zen...@gmail.com wrote: Then again: Is accessibility one of the goals for Chrome at all? Or is it just not tested for for lack of manpower? As it currently stands, it can get quite frustrating to use without a mouse (double accesskeys in menus, no accesskeys at all in dialogs, certain shortcuts unavailable on non-US keyboards, page actions unreachable). Please file bugs on all these. I filed http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20125 . PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Aug 24, 7:42 pm, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: Please file bugs on all these. Filed http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20086 , http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20160 , http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20164 , http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20165 and had already filed http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=14745 and http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=14739 . --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Evan Martine...@chromium.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:05 PM, zenikozen...@gmail.com wrote: If you e.g. use Alt+F for Chrome, you break quick access to Wikipedia's in-page search box. It's already the case that if a page grabs a key it overrides the Chrome shortcut, so this would actually work properly with no additional effort. this is normally true, but not true of alt+ combos. Alt is a special case (in ie as well as chrome, but not firefox). Don't ask me why. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Aug 23, 3:18 am, Evan Martin e...@chromium.org wrote: It's already the case that if a page grabs a key it overrides the Chrome shortcut, so this would actually work properly with no additional effort. In that case, the issue is that the menu shortcuts won't work reliably, which (1) can get quite frustrating because you never really know what a shortcut will do and (2) leads to the menus or other core functionality remaining inaccessible in case of a clash. Unfortunately for people relying (or even having to rely) on the keyboard, most browsers get this wrong. The solution I had envisioned for Firefox was to clearly separate chrome and content shortcuts depending on the modifier: Alt+Shift +key only for content and Alt+key and Ctrl+(Shift+)key only for chrome. At least the first part has been implemented in Firefox 2.0. For Chrome, being mostly about content, we could easily concede Alt +key to content and instead use a different modifier for accessing the menu buttons (since they're not real menus anyway, the platform consistency argument doesn't necessarily trump other arguments) such as Alt+Shift+key which we already use for accessing the toolbars. The Ctrl+key shortcuts should however remain restricted to Chrome, so that webpages can't e.g. prevent you from closing a tab with Ctrl+W (not sure how somebody without a mouse could currently get away from such a webpage at all). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Aug 23, 2:45 am, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: At least IE and Firefox already map this, so I don't think this is a big loss for web pages. It isn't a loss for web pages but for users relying on the keyboard (think handicapped users or netbook users without a proper mouse). And as I said: Firefox actually prevents the clash by using Alt+Shift +accesskey for content. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
Are you saying a website cannot use such combination as well? (Alt+Shift+AccessKey) ☆PhistucK On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:00, zeniko zen...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2:45 am, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: At least IE and Firefox already map this, so I don't think this is a big loss for web pages. It isn't a loss for web pages but for users relying on the keyboard (think handicapped users or netbook users without a proper mouse). And as I said: Firefox actually prevents the clash by using Alt+Shift +accesskey for content. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:57 PM, zeniko zen...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, the issue is that the menu shortcuts won't work reliably, which (1) can get quite frustrating because you never really know what a shortcut will do and (2) leads to the menus or other core functionality remaining inaccessible in case of a clash. We already have this since web pages take over things like ctrl-w and ctrl-f (and we wouldn't want to change that since in many cases it's important that they do so). The solution I had envisioned for Firefox was to clearly separate chrome and content shortcuts depending on the modifier: Alt+Shift +key only for content and Alt+key and Ctrl+(Shift+)key only for chrome. At least the first part has been implemented in Firefox 2.0. Implementing the second part cannot and should not ever happen. (I don't want to discuss here, it was a long and hairy discussion that we had long ago during Chrome's early design days. Trust me when I say we really thought it through.) For Chrome, being mostly about content, we could easily concede Alt +key to content and instead use a different modifier for accessing the menu buttons (since they're not real menus anyway, the platform consistency argument doesn't necessarily trump other arguments) such as Alt+Shift+key which we already use for accessing the toolbars. If we were going to do this we should just give up. We already have alt-shit-t and that's good enough if we're going to use hard-to-find non-standard access keys. The entire point of alt, alt-f and alt-e is to pick things users will naively try to use. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Aug 21, 10:20 pm, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: Windows native behavior is that hitting alt+accesskey opens the menu in question. Do we really want to follow native behavior in this place? Websites use Alt+accesskey as well, and every combo you reserve for Chrome won't (or at least should not for consistency reasons) be available to content. If you e.g. use Alt+F for Chrome, you break quick access to Wikipedia's in-page search box. And IIRC Chrome was all about content and should thus not get in the way as much as possible (compare this to Firefox, where we've had to change the content access modifier to Alt+Shift on Windows and Linux in order to maintain accessibility). Also: Will these accesskeys be localizable? The other solution would be to somehow show the correct accesskey on the menu buttons when the user presses alt, but that seems flickery and ugly to me. What about just including modifier+accesskey in the item's tooltip (as e.g. the above mentioned Wikipedia does and even MS Office allows to do optionally)? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:05 PM, zeniko zen...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 10:20 pm, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: Windows native behavior is that hitting alt+accesskey opens the menu in question. Websites use Alt+accesskey as well, and every combo you reserve for Chrome won't (or at least should not for consistency reasons) be available to content. If you e.g. use Alt+F for Chrome, you break quick access to Wikipedia's in-page search box. At least IE and Firefox already map this, so I don't think this is a big loss for web pages. Also: Will these accesskeys be localizable? No idea. The other solution would be to somehow show the correct accesskey on the menu buttons when the user presses alt, but that seems flickery and ugly to me. What about just including modifier+accesskey in the item's tooltip (as e.g. the above mentioned Wikipedia does and even MS Office allows to do optionally)? Sure, that would be a good idea. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:05 PM, zenikozen...@gmail.com wrote: If you e.g. use Alt+F for Chrome, you break quick access to Wikipedia's in-page search box. It's already the case that if a page grabs a key it overrides the Chrome shortcut, so this would actually work properly with no additional effort. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
Let me summarize what you all have stated: - ALT: Highlight App menu button - ALT-P: Show Page menu - ALT-A: Show App menu or.. - ALT: Highlight App menu button - ALT-P: Highlight Page menu button - ALT-A: Highlight App menu button First set or second set? Thanks! - Mohamed Mansour On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Evan Martin e...@chromium.org wrote: For what it's worth, Alt-F is already used by extensions like FlashBlock for Chrome: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/46673 On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Peter Kastingpkast...@google.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.org wrote: Are you guys referring to alt alone or alt-f, alt-e to highlight the menu item?. alt-f if triggered appropriately brings up full screen which is another problem ... Alt alone. Fullscreen is F11 on Windows, not alt-f. (We are presumably talking about Windows here, unless the other OSes happen to have copied its alt behavior.) PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
I really want to name it tools as Peter stated, If anyone has any objections, please let me know, it will now be: ALT-T = Tools Menu (previously known as App menu) ALT-P = Page Menu. The only difference within these sets is that within the first set, it shows the menu (the menu popup will be visible), the second set, it will highlight the menu (will not show it) -- Mohamed Mansour On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.orgwrote: Let me summarize what you all have stated: - ALT: Highlight App menu button - ALT-P: Show Page menu - ALT-A: Show App menu or.. - ALT: Highlight App menu button - ALT-P: Highlight Page menu button - ALT-A: Highlight App menu button First set or second set? Your sets are identical. Also, I claim that it's the Tools menu, not the App menu, regardless of what Glen claims :) PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.org wrote: I really want to name it tools as Peter stated, If anyone has any objections, please let me know, it will now be: ALT-T = Tools Menu (previously known as App menu) ALT-P = Page Menu. The only difference within these sets is that within the first set, it shows the menu (the menu popup will be visible), the second set, it will highlight the menu (will not show it) Windows native behavior is that hitting alt+accesskey opens the menu in question. I am still concerned that by using alt-t and alt-p that we're creating undiscoverable shortcuts that don't serve the few users who are going to try to use alt to do this. Alt-f and alt-e may still be better choices even if our placement of items in those menus doesn't quite match typical native menus. The other solution would be to somehow show the correct accesskey on the menu buttons when the user presses alt, but that seems flickery and ugly to me. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.org wrote: Let me summarize what you all have stated: - ALT: Highlight App menu button - ALT-P: Show Page menu - ALT-A: Show App menu or.. - ALT: Highlight App menu button - ALT-P: Highlight Page menu button - ALT-A: Highlight App menu button First set or second set? Your sets are identical. Also, I claim that it's the Tools menu, not the App menu, regardless of what Glen claims :) PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
For what it's worth, Alt-F is already used by extensions like FlashBlock for Chrome: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/46673 On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Peter Kastingpkast...@google.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.org wrote: Are you guys referring to alt alone or alt-f, alt-e to highlight the menu item?. alt-f if triggered appropriately brings up full screen which is another problem ... Alt alone. Fullscreen is F11 on Windows, not alt-f. (We are presumably talking about Windows here, unless the other OSes happen to have copied its alt behavior.) PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
I agree with Ben and Peter, alt should highlight the wrench menu. -Nick On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Evan Stade est...@chromium.org wrote: Also, I don't really care which one alt highlights, but it seems to me that alt just highlights the leftmost menu. This happens to always be File. If the File menu is not leftmost, then it's unclear which should be highlighted. Highlighting the Tools menu is important for a similar reason that hooking it to alt-f instead of alt-t is: people have ingrained key combos like alt-f, x or alt, enter, x that they expect to work. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
Highlighting the Tools menu is important for a similar reason that hooking it to alt-f instead of alt-t is: people have ingrained key combos like alt-f, x or alt, enter, x that they expect to work. Or alt-f+s, or alt-f+p Oh wait. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.org wrote: Are you guys referring to alt alone or alt-f, alt-e to highlight the menu item?. alt-f if triggered appropriately brings up full screen which is another problem ... Alt alone. Fullscreen is F11 on Windows, not alt-f. (We are presumably talking about Windows here, unless the other OSes happen to have copied its alt behavior.) PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Glen Murphy g...@chromium.org wrote: Highlighting the Tools menu is important for a similar reason that hooking it to alt-f instead of alt-t is: people have ingrained key combos like alt-f, x or alt, enter, x that they expect to work. Or alt-f+s, or alt-f+p Oh wait. Yes, you have to pick the set of combos you want to care about. If breaking one set and not another would irritate people, maybe we should go ahead and use alt-t and alt-p instead of of alt-f and alt-e. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
Are you guys referring to alt alone or alt-f, alt-e to highlight the menu item?. alt-f if triggered appropriately brings up full screen which is another problem ... - Mohamed Mansour On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Nick Baum nickb...@chromium.org wrote: I agree with Ben and Peter, alt should highlight the wrench menu. -Nick On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Peter Kasting pkast...@google.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Evan Stade est...@chromium.org wrote: Also, I don't really care which one alt highlights, but it seems to me that alt just highlights the leftmost menu. This happens to always be File. If the File menu is not leftmost, then it's unclear which should be highlighted. Highlighting the Tools menu is important for a similar reason that hooking it to alt-f instead of alt-t is: people have ingrained key combos like alt-f, x or alt, enter, x that they expect to work. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
I'm not sure about accesskeys, but my feeling is just pressing Alt should definitely hilight the one of the two menus. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Mohamed Mansourm...@chromium.org wrote: Hi all, Currently, all the functionality in Chrome toolbar has a keyboard shortcut connected to it, except for the App and Page menus. For a keyboard user, currently, you can SHIFT+ALT+T and use the right arrow key to move focus to the menus. This is not very effective and would be better to have a quick way accessing these menus from the keyboard. My suggestion would be: ALT+A for App Menu and ALT+P for Page Menu. I would like some of your suggestions before I implement and commit the change. And I would need feedback from the UI Team. The bug tracker for this would be: http://crbug.com/906 - Mohamed Mansour --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
on linux we do alt+e for page menu and alt+f for wrench menu. The reasoning is that these two menus are reasonable approximations of the Edit and File menus, respectively. -- Evan Stade On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Ben Goodger (Google)b...@chromium.org wrote: I'm not sure about accesskeys, but my feeling is just pressing Alt should definitely hilight the one of the two menus. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Mohamed Mansourm...@chromium.org wrote: Hi all, Currently, all the functionality in Chrome toolbar has a keyboard shortcut connected to it, except for the App and Page menus. For a keyboard user, currently, you can SHIFT+ALT+T and use the right arrow key to move focus to the menus. This is not very effective and would be better to have a quick way accessing these menus from the keyboard. My suggestion would be: ALT+A for App Menu and ALT+P for Page Menu. I would like some of your suggestions before I implement and commit the change. And I would need feedback from the UI Team. The bug tracker for this would be: http://crbug.com/906 - Mohamed Mansour --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
sgtm. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Evan Stadeest...@chromium.org wrote: on linux we do alt+e for page menu and alt+f for wrench menu. The reasoning is that these two menus are reasonable approximations of the Edit and File menus, respectively. -- Evan Stade On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Ben Goodger (Google)b...@chromium.org wrote: I'm not sure about accesskeys, but my feeling is just pressing Alt should definitely hilight the one of the two menus. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Mohamed Mansourm...@chromium.org wrote: Hi all, Currently, all the functionality in Chrome toolbar has a keyboard shortcut connected to it, except for the App and Page menus. For a keyboard user, currently, you can SHIFT+ALT+T and use the right arrow key to move focus to the menus. This is not very effective and would be better to have a quick way accessing these menus from the keyboard. My suggestion would be: ALT+A for App Menu and ALT+P for Page Menu. I would like some of your suggestions before I implement and commit the change. And I would need feedback from the UI Team. The bug tracker for this would be: http://crbug.com/906 - Mohamed Mansour --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
Alright, I have changed it to use alt+e and alt+f. http://codereview.chromium.org/174044/show http://codereview.chromium.org/174044/showWould be nice if a user presses just alt and it would bring up the default main menu. The page menu is used more than the app menu. Would be nice to incorporate that into Chromium. What do you all think? - Mohamed Mansour On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) b...@chromium.orgwrote: sgtm. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Evan Stadeest...@chromium.org wrote: on linux we do alt+e for page menu and alt+f for wrench menu. The reasoning is that these two menus are reasonable approximations of the Edit and File menus, respectively. -- Evan Stade On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Ben Goodger (Google)b...@chromium.org wrote: I'm not sure about accesskeys, but my feeling is just pressing Alt should definitely hilight the one of the two menus. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Mohamed Mansourm...@chromium.org wrote: Hi all, Currently, all the functionality in Chrome toolbar has a keyboard shortcut connected to it, except for the App and Page menus. For a keyboard user, currently, you can SHIFT+ALT+T and use the right arrow key to move focus to the menus. This is not very effective and would be better to have a quick way accessing these menus from the keyboard. My suggestion would be: ALT+A for App Menu and ALT+P for Page Menu. I would like some of your suggestions before I implement and commit the change. And I would need feedback from the UI Team. The bug tracker for this would be: http://crbug.com/906 - Mohamed Mansour --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
Is the page menu really used more than the app menu? If the keys correspond to file/edit equivs, that would suggest wrench should be default. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mohamed Mansourm...@chromium.org wrote: Alright, I have changed it to use alt+e and alt+f. http://codereview.chromium.org/174044/show Would be nice if a user presses just alt and it would bring up the default main menu. The page menu is used more than the app menu. Would be nice to incorporate that into Chromium. What do you all think? - Mohamed Mansour On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) b...@chromium.org wrote: sgtm. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Evan Stadeest...@chromium.org wrote: on linux we do alt+e for page menu and alt+f for wrench menu. The reasoning is that these two menus are reasonable approximations of the Edit and File menus, respectively. -- Evan Stade On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Ben Goodger (Google)b...@chromium.org wrote: I'm not sure about accesskeys, but my feeling is just pressing Alt should definitely hilight the one of the two menus. -Ben On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Mohamed Mansourm...@chromium.org wrote: Hi all, Currently, all the functionality in Chrome toolbar has a keyboard shortcut connected to it, except for the App and Page menus. For a keyboard user, currently, you can SHIFT+ALT+T and use the right arrow key to move focus to the menus. This is not very effective and would be better to have a quick way accessing these menus from the keyboard. My suggestion would be: ALT+A for App Menu and ALT+P for Page Menu. I would like some of your suggestions before I implement and commit the change. And I would need feedback from the UI Team. The bug tracker for this would be: http://crbug.com/906 - Mohamed Mansour --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.org wrote: Would be nice if a user presses just alt and it would bring up the default main menu. The page menu is used more than the app menu. Would be nice to incorporate that into Chromium. What do you all think? Please copy Windows native behavior: pressing alt should highlight a menu (the tools menu, since that's what we're hooking alt-f to), but not actually open it. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Access keys for Chrome menus, what do you prefer?
btw, alt alone appears to do nothing for gtk apps. Also, I don't really care which one alt highlights, but it seems to me that alt just highlights the leftmost menu. This happens to always be File. If the File menu is not leftmost, then it's unclear which should be highlighted. -- Evan Stade On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Peter Kastingpkast...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mohamed Mansour m...@chromium.org wrote: Would be nice if a user presses just alt and it would bring up the default main menu. The page menu is used more than the app menu. Would be nice to incorporate that into Chromium. What do you all think? Please copy Windows native behavior: pressing alt should highlight a menu (the tools menu, since that's what we're hooking alt-f to), but not actually open it. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
