Re: [ChurchillChat] Churchill and Fisher

2018-03-12 Thread johnmather via ChurchillChat 
Dear Folks, 
The book is by Barry Gough - NOT Hough. Barry is a distinguished Navy Historian 
and this magnificent book has been in the works for quite some time.  Barry is 
a first-rate scholar and the book shows his erudition and splendid insights 
into the WSC-Fisher relationship.
John H. Mather MD FACPE.  
Medical Biographer
 
In a message dated 3/12/2018 8:16:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
churchillchat@googlegroups.com writes:

 
It is reviewed in the current issue of Finest Hour.
 
 
David Freeman



 On Monday, March 12, 2018 4:31 PM, John Walstad  wrote:



Am currently reading "Churchill and Fisher, Titans of the Admiralty " by Barry 
Hough and enjoying it very much. Does anyone have any opinions on this book or 
aware of any reviews?
John Walstad
Bellingham, Washington 
 
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Churchill and Fisher

2018-03-12 Thread 'David Freeman' via ChurchillChat 
It is reviewed in the current issue of Finest Hour. David Freeman 

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 Am currently reading "Churchill and Fisher, Titans of the Admiralty " by Barry 
Hough and enjoying it very much. Does anyone have any opinions on this book or 
aware of any reviews?John WalstadBellingham, Washington -- 
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[ChurchillChat] Churchill and Fisher

2018-03-12 Thread John Walstad 
Am currently reading "Churchill and Fisher, Titans of the Admiralty " by Barry Hough and enjoying it very much. Does anyone have any opinions on this book or aware of any reviews?John WalstadBellingham, Washington 



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RE: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary Oldman and the Oscars

2018-03-12 Thread Cita Stelzer 
Camilla Long is a brilliant writer. Worth reading whatever she writes about.

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Hayes
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Oldman and the Oscars

"chewing gum history"  -  I love it!!  I am going to appropriate that phrase 
and I know I will have many occasions to wield it.

Jonathan Hayes


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Great writing. High class humor.
PHL
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https://richardlangworth.com/long-view-churchills-affiar-oscars

"Chewing gum history": Camilla Long targets Churchill’s rumored fling and the 
Oscar ceremonies.

Attached: Andrew Roberts may be a Striped Piglet, but he is my Striped Piglet.


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Re: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary Oldman and the Oscars

2018-03-12 Thread Doug Russell 
At least the word eponymous was not used.  This must count for something.  DSR



From: phleeiii via ChurchillChat 
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Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary 
Oldman and the Oscars

Great writing. High class humor.
PHL

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Richard Langworth 
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https://richardlangworth.com/long-view-churchills-affiar-oscars

[https://richardlangworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/PigletAndrew.jpeg]

Long View: Churchill's Secret Affair, Gary Oldman and the 
Oscars
richardlangworth.com
Camilla Long targets Churchill’s rumored fling and the Oscar ceremonies. Andrew 
Roberts may be a striped piglet, but he is my striped piglet.




"Chewing gum history": Camilla Long targets Churchill’s rumored fling and the 
Oscar ceremonies.

Attached: Andrew Roberts may be a Striped Piglet, but he is my Striped Piglet.


N.B.
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guaranteeing itself diminishing influence. If they’re not careful, they’ll have 
Donald Trump calling them “the failing Sunday Times.” If you can’t read it 
online without paying tribute, contact me for a surreptitious copy provided by 
someone at MI5. But don’t spread this around, lest I become a Guest of The 
Queen. There is extradition in The Bahamas.

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Re: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary Oldman and the Oscars

2018-03-12 Thread Jonathan Hayes 
"chewing gum history"  -  I love it!!  I am going to appropriate that phrase 
and I know I will have many occasions to wield it.
Jonathan Hayes


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 To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 10:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary 
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Great writing. High class humor. PHL 

Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Richard Langworth  wrote:


https://richardlangworth.com/long-view-churchills-affiar-oscars

"Chewing gum history": Camilla Long targets Churchill’s rumored fling and the 
Oscar ceremonies. 
Attached: Andrew Roberts may be a Striped Piglet, but he is my Striped Piglet.

N.B.The Sunday Times is one of those papers with an hyper-vigilant paywall, 
guaranteeing itself diminishing influence. If they’re not careful, they’ll have 
Donald Trump calling them “the failing Sunday Times.” If you can’t read it 
online without paying tribute, contact me for a surreptitious copy provided by 
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Queen. There is extradition in The Bahamas.
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary Oldman and the Oscars

2018-03-12 Thread phleeiii via ChurchillChat 
Great writing. High class humor. 
PHL 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Richard Langworth  wrote:
> 
> https://richardlangworth.com/long-view-churchills-affiar-oscars
> 
> "Chewing gum history": Camilla Long targets Churchill’s rumored fling and the 
> Oscar ceremonies. 
> 
> Attached: Andrew Roberts may be a Striped Piglet, but he is my Striped Piglet.
> 
> 
> N.B.
> The Sunday Times is one of those papers with an hyper-vigilant paywall, 
> guaranteeing itself diminishing influence. If they’re not careful, they’ll 
> have Donald Trump calling them “the failing Sunday Times.” If you can’t read 
> it online without paying tribute, contact me for a surreptitious copy 
> provided by someone at MI5. But don’t spread this around, lest I become a 
> Guest of The Queen. There is extradition in The Bahamas.
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[ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary Oldman and the Oscars

2018-03-12 Thread Richard Langworth 
https://richardlangworth.com/long-view-churchills-affiar-oscars

"Chewing gum history": Camilla Long targets Churchill’s rumored fling and 
the Oscar ceremonies. 

Attached: Andrew Roberts may be a Striped Piglet, but he is my Striped 
Piglet.


N.B.
*The Sunday Times* is one of those papers with an hyper-vigilant paywall, 
guaranteeing itself diminishing influence. If they’re not careful, they’ll 
have Donald Trump calling them “the failing *Sunday Times*.” If you can’t 
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About It!!!

2018-03-12 Thread Chris Dunford 
How do I know that the guest piece doesn't reflect the Post's editorial 
position? Because I've seen them compare current politicians unfavorably to 
Churchill in editorials on more than one occasion.

As for "periodic" guest columns, it's not "periodic" at all. It's routine, and 
it predated the Internet, so I don't think we can call them "clickbait."

But the real point is that you can't assume that the Post's op-eds must reflect 
the paper's editorial position. This is demonstrably not the case.

-Original Message-
From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Dave Turrell
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 8:19 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About 
It!!!

Chris,

I subscribed to the Wapo for about 10 years, after moving out east in the 
mid-90's - but then could no longer stand to pay for what was happening to the 
paper.  I dropped the sub and since then have read it only online.

I do agree with your point about the fact that they carry periodic guest 
columns from those who do not correctly toe the party line.  It may be the 
cynic in me, but I believe many of them are placed in there as good red meat 
just to get the righteous riled up and the twitterati reaching for their 
keyboard pitchforks.  Ed Rodgers is a good example.  Clickbait, after all, 
helps pay the bills.

However, I am curious as to how you come to the conclusion that this article 
does not 'accurately reflect the Post's editorial position'.  Based on prior 
output, what is their editorial position on WSC? The article seems to me to fit 
right in with what has been a generally sympathetic attitude to items such as 
the tearing down of statues and 'decolonialisation' (whatever the heck that 
is). 

On the positive side, I used to love the Post's comics page - until they shrunk 
it beyond readability.  And did away with the Book World section. :-)

Cheers,

Dave

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Behalf Of Chris Dunford
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:25 PM
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Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About 
It!!!

Sorry, but I've subscribed to the Post for more than forty years, and I assure 
you that it routinely publishes op-eds that are diametrically opposed to the 
its own editorial position. 

George Will's column, for example, has been based at the Post since 1974 and is 
distributed to 450 other newspapers. Aside from baseball and a mutual distaste 
for the current President, it's hard to think of anything he and the Post agree 
on.

Obviously, I disagree vehemently with this particular piece. But it was not 
written by the Post, nor does it accurately reflect the Post's editorial 
position--just as George Will's periodic columns about global warming are the 
polar opposite of the Post's position on that subject.

-Original Message-
From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat  
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:06 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About 
It!!!


Sorry, but I cannot imagine even a "liberal" newspaper publishing "opinion 
pieces that are not in accord with its own editorial positions".

This Indian official's text is venomous - and the paper knew it and 
deliberately published it regardless.

"They hate us", your President correctly said of other people in another 
context - this fully applies to this Indian official : "he hates Churchill" - 
full stop.

No educated editor (as one may expect of a publication with a claim to
seriousness) could miss the fact - and the paper did not publish a paragraph 
distancing itself from the offensive opinion proffered. So it endorses it by 
default.

With all best wishes,

Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
Professor emeritus of British Studies
University of Rouen
76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan
France
antoine.ca...@univ-rouen.fr

'Britain since 1914' Section Editor
Royal Historical Society Bibliography

https://www.lisez.com/livre-grand-format/churchill/9782262065355
==


From: Chris Dunford
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:37 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About 
It!!!


That is not a Washington Post opinion. It is a guest op-ed. The Post 
routinely publishes opinion pieces that are not in accord with its own 
editorial positions.





From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Turrell
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:14 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Hollywood Rewards Mass Murderer - Read All About 
It!!!





I note that the Washington Post, spiritual home of Trump Derangement 
Syndrome, continues its descent into the world of tabloid drivel.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/03/10/in-winston-churchill-hollywood-