[cia-drugs] Re: loftus on wtprn
As soon as you explain what happened to the engines and wings, Im on board.-- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "muckblit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Four inches of stone, two layers of brick, for the front wall. Like paper. > > Around the windows there was a light metal frame designed to hold the > windows if fragments from a truck bomb flew against the wall. Again, > nothing, no solid structure. > > The second floor slab represented the first solid structure. An off > duty pilot living in an apartment nearby saw the cockpit of the silver > AA Boeing 757 peel upward as half of the fuselage went above and half > below the floor slab. Then the upward folded part got pulled into the > hole as the rest of the fuselage went into mostly open area, > encountering a few concrete columns once inside the building. > > Some of the holes seen in photos were made by heavy equipment from the > back side, for rescue workers. You can see a line and instructions > spray-painted on the wall around the hole, marking where to run a > bulldozer through the wall. > > Smokescreeners never get specific about what structure was so strong > that the plane went through at the Pentagon. I have documented the > above construction details here in the past. Four inch stone slab, two > layers of brick, that's nothing. Metal frame around the edge of > windows, that's nothing. Slide and carom between scattered concrete > pillaras once inside, that's nothing. The second floor slab was the > only solid structure and it just sliced the fuselage, but the mass of > the plane kept on going. Nothing amazing happened at the Pentagon, > unlike New York, where a number of amazing things did happen(steel > melting, buildings all falling straight down with no time for > resistance to collapse--as if demolished). > > -Bob > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "mark urban" wrote: > > > > Kris, > > > > What I was saying is that Loftus appears to be saying that the plane > > in its regular configuration behaved like a shaped charge when it hit > > the pentagon. He is using the concept of a plasma stream to explain > > how the relatively soft nosed commercial jet could punch through so > > many interior walls. > > > > I do not think it works as an explanation. > > > > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd wrote: > > > > > > No, I do not think there was some special charge on plane or > > otherwise. > > > > > > Peace, > > > K > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:54 PM, mark urban wrote: > > > > > > > The concept of a shaped charge is what is being proffered. An > > > > inverted cone of metal jacketed high explosive that hits armor > > > > creates a molten stream of metal that burns through the armor > > plate. > > > > If Loftus wants to say a commercial jet hitting a building behaves > > > > like an RPG7 hitting a humvee, then I would think that we are now > > > > seeing the next phase in the 911 cover up. I lump this right in > > there > > > > with Mike Ruppert telling us to forget about 911. geez! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Basically, my understanding of what Loftus is talking about is > > > > what > > > >> happens when a large object moving at a high rate of speed hits > > an > > > >> immovable object creating high temperatures and thusly > > > >> disintegration. What form this disintegration took and if this > > > >> activity created any special effect I do not know. > > > >> > > > >> Peace, > > > >> K > > > >> > > > >> On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:09 PM, mark urban wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> It is amazing how the laws of physics just went all to hell on > > > > 911. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis" > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > john loftus is on wtprn right now claiming that "the pentagon > > > >>> plane" turned into plasmic matter. as i understand it, plasmic > > > >>> matter is the fourth phase of matter. solid, liquid, gas, > > plasma. > > > >>> like in the sun. the sun is "plasmic matter." he's saying that > > > > the > > > >>> plane "vaporized into plasma" and that's why the damage to the > > > >>> pentagon went so deep, because of the "focused energy." > > > the plane "vaporized into plasma" because that one wall had > > been > > > >>> armored. > > > he's saying that this is not inconsistent with finding human > > > >>> remains. > > > of course, none of this addresses the question as to whether > > the > > > >>> plane was hijacked, radio controlled, switched out with a drill, > > > >>> etc. could a missile be "vaporized into plasma?" according to > > > >>> loftus, the military HAS weapons that do precisely this. he was > > > >>> stating this as proof that the "plasmic effect" could be > > possible. > > > >>> heh. > > > to me, its all just begging the question. for instance, why > > did > > > >>> the plane fly o
[cia-drugs] Re: loftus on wtprn
"why did the plane fly over the pentagon, do a 180, come all the way back around, and hit THAT sid" Two reasons, to fly past the US Capitol, the White House, and CIA headquarters, just to show off, and secondly, in order to crash into empty offices. They could have killed Rumsfeld or a general if the plane crashed anywhere but empty offices on the West Side. Or, to put it another way, they crashed where there was a fire truck waiting. If you look at the route they took, the flew past a dozen tall landmarks on the miles wide 270 degree turn. It was miles wide, nothing like a fighter jet turn. Look at a map. Up the river, past the US Capitol, White House, Watergate, Georgetown University tower, left over the cliffs which are higher than the Georgetown tower, over CIA HQ, wrap around south of the Rosslyn hill, look for the ten or fifteen story apartment building on the Courthouse Road ridge, pass to the right of that tall building on a ridge, skim an antenna off the roof of a low apartment building to the right of that tall building--actually flying beside the tall building and rounding it like a pylon--fly over Mrs. Medina's kitchen sink, then over the lady on the north side of the Courthouse Ridge who appears in internet accounts, then up Columbia Pike past Sheraton Hotel and Navy Annex and VDOT, fire through the JFK crosshairs of the cloverleaf, see the fire truck and hit the building. At the end there was a USAF cargo plane above the Boeing 757 and a helicopter following it, so you can speculate about that, but a Boeing 757 needs no DU to punch through four inches of stone and two layers of brick into empty space with a few scattered concrete columns holding up floor slabs. "RPG", "shaped charge", just give me a sledge hammer and I'll show you four inches of stone facing and two layers of brick is like potato chips. For that matter your humvee would not hold up to a Boeing 757 or a sledge hammer, either. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "mark urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kris, > > What I was saying is that Loftus appears to be saying that the plane > in its regular configuration behaved like a shaped charge when it hit > the pentagon. He is using the concept of a plasma stream to explain > how the relatively soft nosed commercial jet could punch through so > many interior walls. > > I do not think it works as an explanation. > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd wrote: > > > > No, I do not think there was some special charge on plane or > otherwise. > > > > Peace, > > K > > > > On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:54 PM, mark urban wrote: > > > > > The concept of a shaped charge is what is being proffered. An > > > inverted cone of metal jacketed high explosive that hits armor > > > creates a molten stream of metal that burns through the armor > plate. > > > If Loftus wants to say a commercial jet hitting a building behaves > > > like an RPG7 hitting a humvee, then I would think that we are now > > > seeing the next phase in the 911 cover up. I lump this right in > there > > > with Mike Ruppert telling us to forget about 911. geez! > > > > > > > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd wrote: > > >> > > >> Basically, my understanding of what Loftus is talking about is > > > what > > >> happens when a large object moving at a high rate of speed hits > an > > >> immovable object creating high temperatures and thusly > > >> disintegration. What form this disintegration took and if this > > >> activity created any special effect I do not know. > > >> > > >> Peace, > > >> K > > >> > > >> On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:09 PM, mark urban wrote: > > >> > > >>> It is amazing how the laws of physics just went all to hell on > > > 911. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis" > > >>> wrote: > > > > john loftus is on wtprn right now claiming that "the pentagon > > >>> plane" turned into plasmic matter. as i understand it, plasmic > > >>> matter is the fourth phase of matter. solid, liquid, gas, > plasma. > > >>> like in the sun. the sun is "plasmic matter." he's saying that > > > the > > >>> plane "vaporized into plasma" and that's why the damage to the > > >>> pentagon went so deep, because of the "focused energy." > > the plane "vaporized into plasma" because that one wall had > been > > >>> armored. > > he's saying that this is not inconsistent with finding human > > >>> remains. > > of course, none of this addresses the question as to whether > the > > >>> plane was hijacked, radio controlled, switched out with a drill, > > >>> etc. could a missile be "vaporized into plasma?" according to > > >>> loftus, the military HAS weapons that do precisely this. he was > > >>> stating this as proof that the "plasmic effect" could be > possible. > > >>> heh. > > to me, its all just begging the question. for instance, why > did > > >>> the plane fly over the pentagon, do a 180, come all the wa
[cia-drugs] Re: loftus on wtprn
Four inches of stone, two layers of brick, for the front wall. Like paper. Around the windows there was a light metal frame designed to hold the windows if fragments from a truck bomb flew against the wall. Again, nothing, no solid structure. The second floor slab represented the first solid structure. An off duty pilot living in an apartment nearby saw the cockpit of the silver AA Boeing 757 peel upward as half of the fuselage went above and half below the floor slab. Then the upward folded part got pulled into the hole as the rest of the fuselage went into mostly open area, encountering a few concrete columns once inside the building. Some of the holes seen in photos were made by heavy equipment from the back side, for rescue workers. You can see a line and instructions spray-painted on the wall around the hole, marking where to run a bulldozer through the wall. Smokescreeners never get specific about what structure was so strong that the plane went through at the Pentagon. I have documented the above construction details here in the past. Four inch stone slab, two layers of brick, that's nothing. Metal frame around the edge of windows, that's nothing. Slide and carom between scattered concrete pillaras once inside, that's nothing. The second floor slab was the only solid structure and it just sliced the fuselage, but the mass of the plane kept on going. Nothing amazing happened at the Pentagon, unlike New York, where a number of amazing things did happen(steel melting, buildings all falling straight down with no time for resistance to collapse--as if demolished). -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "mark urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kris, > > What I was saying is that Loftus appears to be saying that the plane > in its regular configuration behaved like a shaped charge when it hit > the pentagon. He is using the concept of a plasma stream to explain > how the relatively soft nosed commercial jet could punch through so > many interior walls. > > I do not think it works as an explanation. > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd wrote: > > > > No, I do not think there was some special charge on plane or > otherwise. > > > > Peace, > > K > > > > On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:54 PM, mark urban wrote: > > > > > The concept of a shaped charge is what is being proffered. An > > > inverted cone of metal jacketed high explosive that hits armor > > > creates a molten stream of metal that burns through the armor > plate. > > > If Loftus wants to say a commercial jet hitting a building behaves > > > like an RPG7 hitting a humvee, then I would think that we are now > > > seeing the next phase in the 911 cover up. I lump this right in > there > > > with Mike Ruppert telling us to forget about 911. geez! > > > > > > > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd wrote: > > >> > > >> Basically, my understanding of what Loftus is talking about is > > > what > > >> happens when a large object moving at a high rate of speed hits > an > > >> immovable object creating high temperatures and thusly > > >> disintegration. What form this disintegration took and if this > > >> activity created any special effect I do not know. > > >> > > >> Peace, > > >> K > > >> > > >> On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:09 PM, mark urban wrote: > > >> > > >>> It is amazing how the laws of physics just went all to hell on > > > 911. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis" > > >>> wrote: > > > > john loftus is on wtprn right now claiming that "the pentagon > > >>> plane" turned into plasmic matter. as i understand it, plasmic > > >>> matter is the fourth phase of matter. solid, liquid, gas, > plasma. > > >>> like in the sun. the sun is "plasmic matter." he's saying that > > > the > > >>> plane "vaporized into plasma" and that's why the damage to the > > >>> pentagon went so deep, because of the "focused energy." > > the plane "vaporized into plasma" because that one wall had > been > > >>> armored. > > he's saying that this is not inconsistent with finding human > > >>> remains. > > of course, none of this addresses the question as to whether > the > > >>> plane was hijacked, radio controlled, switched out with a drill, > > >>> etc. could a missile be "vaporized into plasma?" according to > > >>> loftus, the military HAS weapons that do precisely this. he was > > >>> stating this as proof that the "plasmic effect" could be > possible. > > >>> heh. > > to me, its all just begging the question. for instance, why > did > > >>> the plane fly over the pentagon, do a 180, come all the way back > > >>> around, and hit THAT side? and what about the alleged > explosions > > >>> before the pentagon strike? > > now theyre talking about security cams. > > www.wtprn.com > > 9:15 pm central time > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ > > >>> > > >>> Please let us s
[cia-drugs] Re: Another 9-11 NAU (NAFTA Superhighway) Connection
In the 1990's Democrats and Republicans worked together on the interstate which passes through Branson, Missouri. Doles, Clintons, Bush, Asa Hutchinson, other big names from both parties. The highway in the middle of nowhere from nowhere to nowhere seemed like a boondoggle to benefit the parties by their involvement in Branson, a Disneyland-Vegas sort of resort. Not only do they speak in your pdf link about electronic vehicle control on the looter road, but last year they began replacing 500 truckers a year with drivers from India. Then US longshorement will be replaced by Mexican longshoreman offloading "race to the bottom" ships such as Chinese ships in Mexican ports, loading trucks owned by king's charter conglomerates, not independents or drivers, and driven by drivers from India. While you were busy watching Ice Road Truckers, US interstate truck driver and longshoreman jobs were going offshore like US manufacturing jobs. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "norgesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Vicky Davis > > > I listened to Mica's statement again this evening (audio clip below). I didn't know the name Pete Geren when I recorded the clip of Mica. This time I did know his name because of this research on the NAFTA Superhighway - and the connection to Total Information Awareness: > > http://www.channelingreality.com/Documents/NAFTA_Superhighway_07.pdf > > Make sure to look at pages 5 and 7. > > > Odd that Rumsfeld would appoint him as "Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense" after 9-11. He was a Democrat. > > http://www.texasinsider.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=439 > > Geren came to the Pentagon in 2001 and served as Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense, Acting Secretary of the Air Force and Acting Secretary of the Army. He served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1989 to 1997, representing the 12th Congressional district. > > > http://www.army.mil/leaders/leaders/usa/biography.html > > Pete Geren joined the Department of Defense in September of 2001 to serve as Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense with responsibilities in the areas of inter-agency initiatives, legislative affairs and special projects. Mr. Geren served as Acting Secretary of the Air Force from July to November 2005. > > > Prior to joining the Department of Defense, Geren was an attorney and businessman in Fort Worth, Texas. > > From 1989 until his retirement in 1997, Geren was a member of the U.S. Congress, representing the Twelfth Congressional District of Texas for four terms. He served on the Armed Services, Science & Technology and the Public Works and Transportation Committee during his tenure in the Congress. > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 3:32 PM > > > > Rumsfeld knew in advance. This is a statement made by Rep. John Mica in the August 1, 2007 hearing on Pat Tillman's death. > > John Micare: morning of 9-11 > www.channelingreality.com/Music/John_Mica_9_11.mp3 >
[cia-drugs] Fwd: Dollar Bottoms; Oil to $100/Barrel; CARLYLE & Arabs Will OWN the STOCK MARKET
Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 20, 2007 1:18:33 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dollar Bottoms; Oil to $100/Barrel; CARLYLE & Arabs Will OWN the STOCK MARKET U.S. dollar sinks to lifetime low versus euro Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29pm BST http://uk.reuters.com/article/usDollarRpt/idUKN2042711620070920 By Vivianne Rodrigues NEW YORK, Sept 20 (Reuters) - The dollar tumbled to a record low against the euro on Thursday and reached parity with the Canadian currency for the first time in 31 years on expectations of more cuts in U.S. interest rates after this week's sharp reduction. The sell-off started in Europe and continued later in the day in New York as investors and analysts concluded lower benchmark rates in the world's largest economy will hurt the return on dollar- denominated assets, diminishing the greenback's appeal. Against the euro, the dollar breached the key $1.40 level and almost touched $1.41 at around noon in New York. The euro zone single currency also rose above 70 pence against sterling for the first time in one and a half years. Also on Tuesday, the Canadian dollar briefly reached parity with the U.S. dollar for the first time since 1976, supported by lofty commodity prices, a strong domestic economy and concerns about the U.S. economic slowdown. The Federal Reserve on Tuesday slashed rates for the first time in four years by a half percentage point to 4.75 percent to shield the U.S. economy from a deepening housing slump and credit market turbulence. "People are convinced the Fed will have to cut by more than 50 basis points," said Matthew Strauss, senior FX strategist at RBC Capital Markets, in Toronto. The dollar's sell-off "is a continuation of selling seen after the Fed's rate cut, and with the dollar index closing in on all-time lows, people are looking for reasons to target that level." Remarks by Fed chief Ben Bernanke before a Congressional committee had limited impact. In midafternoon trading in New York, the euro had risen to a record high of $1.4099, before surrendering some gains to trade up 0.8 percent on the day at $1.4074. The dollar was down 1.2 percent against the yen to trade at 114.56 per dollar, on track for its biggest one-day percentage decline in two weeks. The dollar set a 15-year low against a basket of six major currencies, at 78.45, in its biggest one-day drop in more than a year. A move below 78.190 would take the dollar index to record lows. The dollar touched a two-and-a-half-year low against the Swiss franc. Dollar/Swiss franc was last at 1.1715, after going as low as 1.1688, its lowest level since March 2005. BERNANKE'S WARNING Fed Chairman Bernanke warned Congress on Thursday that raising the ceiling on the size of loans government-sponsored mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can buy could undermine market discipline. He also said soft home prices and mortgage rate resets mean that subprime adjustable-rate home loan delinquencies will rise further. "It's pretty clear (Bernanke) expects more weakness in the housing sector but the fact that he says the market is self-correcting leads me to believe he expects the system to work itself out without too much help from the Fed," said Dustin Reid, senior currency strategist at ABN AMRO in Chicago. Of the euro move, Reid said, "It's uncharted territory, and when you're in uncharted territory, it's difficult to look at every little wobble in price and try to attribute it to a specific event or fundamental." Sterling edged higher versus the dollar after Bank of England Governor Mervyn King said that cutting interest rates at first sight of every problem was not the way to go. Sterling/dollar rose 0.5 percent at $2.0099. The dollar fell 1.2 percent against the Canadian dollar and last traded around C$1.0018. (Additional reporting by Steven C. Johnson and Nick Olivari in New York) - Gold hits 28-yr high on dlr fall, inflation fears Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:44 PM BST By Frank Tang and Atul Prakash http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx? type=goldMktRpt&storyID=2007-09-20T194414Z_01_L20119906_RTRIDST_0_MARK ETS-PRECIOUS-UPDATE-7.XML NEW YORK/LONDON, Sept 20 (Reuters) - Spot gold prices surged to a 28-year high in European trade on Thursday as the dollar sank to an all-time low against the euro and new highs in crude oil bolstered inflation concerns. Gold rose more than 2 percent to $738.30 an ounce, its highest since January 1980, when it hit a record high of $850. By 3:09 p.m. EDT (1909 GMT), bullion was quoted at $734.50/735.30, compared with $721.10/721.90 in New York late on Wednesday. Most-active December gold on the COMEX division of the New York Mercantile Exchange settled up $10.40 or 1.4 percent at $739.90 an o
[cia-drugs] Spooks, Hoods and the Hidden Elite
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[cia-drugs] Spooks, Hoods and the Hidden Elite
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