[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World?
As far as the onion layers of right and left, right public sector has a more friendly relationship with corporations, banks, and the few they represent. The few the trojans represent are a group without much if any economic or social mobility to join that group. Then you have leftist public sector, which if its radically collectivist and not just Norwegian(see forensic economist Palast) style socialist like Chavez, it is dependent on banks and financial oligarchy but on both sides the relationship is less amicable. Or, which, right or left, does the financial oligarchy require to pay its interest, and which gets a free ride quite often because the bottom line includes enough spoil to make bygones gone? Left is place-holders and innoculations against populist socialism, but right is moving leftward as far as Marxist talking points of a hundred years ago being a given for modern bolshevik-looking rightist nazi peers of the salaried and easily bribed realm of apparatchiks. But look closely, that bureaucracy regulates small and medium corporations to death, gives a king's charter to monopolies, and a free pass to environmental pollution; the public sector jobs are an estate in salary only, not in political representation or equality under law or social justice or opportunity. Warren Buffett just hit the steel ceiling. He was invited to 911, the location of his meeting was changed to Offutt AFB, in 2006 he announced his will gives away thirty some billions of dollars not to family but to Bill Gates foundation, who is in turn probably giving most of his toys to the same people as Hughes did. So much for economic mobility up there. Try to define right and left in terms of specific observable dynamics instead of the surface bread and circuses in politics. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris, I think we agree on the idea of sock puppets; however, the tenor of the article is that we should look to the right wing for the bad guys. And if the bad guys are to be found on the left, then they're not really on the left at all. As far as I am concerned, it is a little silly semantic game. Leadership that forgoes wisdom and responsible action in return for maintaining and gaining power and control is corrupt. In any event, what is your take on Chavez? -- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd roadsend@ wrote: Absolutely, the head of the octopus is non-denominational, and there is documented evidence of persons of many personal political persuasions that are used by the head. and rarely are the hands of the op operated by the head. But in all fairness and not assessing damage of their particular actions, the hard-wire on the right is historically more extensive and pronounced, especially in Western experience. The major left totalitarian state was a fiction for many reasons, the facilitation went through left octopus channels that were directed by the money and credit. It was, alas, not fiction to those that suffered. etc. Peace, K On Sep 3, 2006, at 12:36 PM, mark urban wrote: I think this is, in the inimitable words of Dan Hopsicker. ...a steamy pile of bullshit Wars are started by entrenched power elites whether they be right, left, middle or whatever. It is foolish to say the right wing is the source of all war mongering, because that is simply a form of misdirection. If you look at who controls the money and credit in any society, you will find the real power. Instead of the right wing, look at who controls the finances of a nation - all your slimy scumbag warmongers can be found there. The rest are just sycophants, opportunists, shills and puppets. Leon Trotsky was arrested in Canada as he was in transit to Russia with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Lord Milner lobbied for his release. Lenin was escorted through WWI Europe in a sealed train with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Nobody on either side of WWI touched him. Major Jordan was overseeing an airbase from which shipments to the Soviet Union were sent as part of the Lend Lease Program. Harry Hopkins was giving the Soviets everything they wanted including secret atomic bomb plans, strategic industrial plans and anything the Soviets might have wanted from the US patent office. There is an interview of Christian Rakovsky that was conducted by Stalin's interrogaters after Rakovsky was arrested in the late 1930's. After you read that, tell me all about the bad guys in the right wing. http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/red-symphony.html Wise Up, Pal!!! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd roadsend@ wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mario Profaca mario.profaca@ Date: September 2, 2006 11:18:18 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in
[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World?
I think this is, in the inimitable words of Dan Hopsicker. ...a steamy pile of bullshit Wars are started by entrenched power elites whether they be right, left, middle or whatever. It is foolish to say the right wing is the source of all war mongering, because that is simply a form of misdirection. If you look at who controls the money and credit in any society, you will find the real power. Instead of the right wing, look at who controls the finances of a nation - all your slimy scumbag warmongers can be found there. The rest are just sycophants, opportunists, shills and puppets. Leon Trotsky was arrested in Canada as he was in transit to Russia with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Lord Milner lobbied for his release. Lenin was escorted through WWI Europe in a sealed train with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Nobody on either side of WWI touched him. Major Jordan was overseeing an airbase from which shipments to the Soviet Union were sent as part of the Lend Lease Program. Harry Hopkins was giving the Soviets everything they wanted including secret atomic bomb plans, strategic industrial plans and anything the Soviets might have wanted from the US patent office. There is an interview of Christian Rakovsky that was conducted by Stalin's interrogaters after Rakovsky was arrested in the late 1930's. After you read that, tell me all about the bad guys in the right wing. http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/red-symphony.html Wise Up, Pal!!! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mario Profaca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 2, 2006 11:18:18 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.opednews.com/articles/ opedne_john_mig_060901_who_really_starts_al.htm September 2, 2006 at 00:43:24 Who Really Starts Alll the Wars in the World? by john miglio http://www.opednews.com Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World? The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. -- Mel Gibson By John F. Miglio The old French expression, pas d'ennemi a gauche (no enemy on the left), has a lot of wisdom in it. Basically, it means you have nothing to fear from individuals or governments more liberal or progressive than you are. Your real enemies, those who want to conquer or subjugate you, always come from the right of the political spectrum, especially the far right. What does it mean for a government to be far right? Using the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the U.S. Constitution as conceived by our Founding Fathers as a base line for a liberal democracy, the leader or leaders of a far right- wing government would invalidate or pervert almost everything these documents stand for in an effort to assume more power for themselves. Two classic examples of 20th century countries that started out as democracies (albeit weak democracies) and ended up as far right dictatorships are pre-World War II Germany and Italy. During this time period, Hitler and Mussolini seized control of their respective countries and turned them into fascist states, i.e., states with governments marked by, among other things: a heightened sense of nationalism, repression of civil liberties, widespread propaganda, intolerance of minorities, and economic alignment with large corporations. For Hitler and Mussolini, it was absolutely critical for them to align themselves with large corporations in order to bankroll their fascist states and sustain their power as they systematically destroyed democracy. To underscore this point, Mussolini once remarked, Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. The linkage of corporate power (big business) to government was also evident in almost all the half-pint dictatorships that emerged after World War II in Central America, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Like Germany and Italy, many of these countries with dictators started out as fledgling democracies only to be undermined by the big business interests of their own countries working in conjunction with American corporations and our CIA. Currently, one fact that the mainstream media rarely mention in their reportage and analysis of terrorism is that our CIA helped both Saddam Hussein and the Shah of Iran to topple the democratically elected leaders of their respective countries. As a result, both Iraq and Iran became repressive regimes that tortured and killed their own people while working out sweetheart deals with American oil companies and enriching themselves and their families in the process. The same can be said for Saudi Arabia, whose royal
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World?
Absolutely, the head of the octopus is non-denominational, and there is documented evidence of persons of many personal political persuasions that are used by the head. and rarely are the hands of the op operated by the head. But in all fairness and not assessing damage of their particular actions, the hard-wire on the right is historically more extensive and pronounced, especially in Western experience. The major left totalitarian state was a fiction for many reasons, the facilitation went through left octopus channels that were directed by the money and credit. It was, alas, not fiction to those that suffered. etc. Peace, K On Sep 3, 2006, at 12:36 PM, mark urban wrote: I think this is, in the inimitable words of Dan Hopsicker. ...a steamy pile of bullshit Wars are started by entrenched power elites whether they be right, left, middle or whatever. It is foolish to say the right wing is the source of all war mongering, because that is simply a form of misdirection. If you look at who controls the money and credit in any society, you will find the real power. Instead of the right wing, look at who controls the finances of a nation - all your slimy scumbag warmongers can be found there. The rest are just sycophants, opportunists, shills and puppets. Leon Trotsky was arrested in Canada as he was in transit to Russia with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Lord Milner lobbied for his release. Lenin was escorted through WWI Europe in a sealed train with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Nobody on either side of WWI touched him. Major Jordan was overseeing an airbase from which shipments to the Soviet Union were sent as part of the Lend Lease Program. Harry Hopkins was giving the Soviets everything they wanted including secret atomic bomb plans, strategic industrial plans and anything the Soviets might have wanted from the US patent office. There is an interview of Christian Rakovsky that was conducted by Stalin's interrogaters after Rakovsky was arrested in the late 1930's. After you read that, tell me all about the bad guys in the right wing. http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/red-symphony.html Wise Up, Pal!!! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mario Profaca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: September 2, 2006 11:18:18 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.opednews.com/articles/ opedne_john_mig_060901_who_really_starts_al.htm September 2, 2006 at 00:43:24 Who Really Starts Alll the Wars in the World? by john miglio http://www.opednews.com Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World? The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. -- Mel Gibson By John F. Miglio The old French expression, pas d'ennemi a gauche (no enemy on the left), has a lot of wisdom in it. Basically, it means you have nothing to fear from individuals or governments more liberal or progressive than you are. Your real enemies, those who want to conquer or subjugate you, always come from the right of the political spectrum, especially the far right. What does it mean for a government to be far right? Using the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the U.S. Constitution as conceived by our Founding Fathers as a base line for a liberal democracy, the leader or leaders of a far right- wing government would invalidate or pervert almost everything these documents stand for in an effort to assume more power for themselves. Two classic examples of 20th century countries that started out as democracies (albeit weak democracies) and ended up as far right dictatorships are pre-World War II Germany and Italy. During this time period, Hitler and Mussolini seized control of their respective countries and turned them into fascist states, i.e., states with governments marked by, among other things: a heightened sense of nationalism, repression of civil liberties, widespread propaganda, intolerance of minorities, and economic alignment with large corporations. For Hitler and Mussolini, it was absolutely critical for them to align themselves with large corporations in order to bankroll their fascist states and sustain their power as they systematically destroyed democracy. To underscore this point, Mussolini once remarked, Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. The linkage of corporate power (big business) to government was also evident in almost all the half-pint dictatorships that emerged after World War II in Central America, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Like Germany and Italy, many of these countries with dictators started out as fledgling democracies only to be undermined by the big business interests of their own countries working in conjunction with
[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World?
Kris, I think we agree on the idea of sock puppets; however, the tenor of the article is that we should look to the right wing for the bad guys. And if the bad guys are to be found on the left, then they're not really on the left at all. As far as I am concerned, it is a little silly semantic game. Leadership that forgoes wisdom and responsible action in return for maintaining and gaining power and control is corrupt. In any event, what is your take on Chavez? -- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely, the head of the octopus is non-denominational, and there is documented evidence of persons of many personal political persuasions that are used by the head. and rarely are the hands of the op operated by the head. But in all fairness and not assessing damage of their particular actions, the hard-wire on the right is historically more extensive and pronounced, especially in Western experience. The major left totalitarian state was a fiction for many reasons, the facilitation went through left octopus channels that were directed by the money and credit. It was, alas, not fiction to those that suffered. etc. Peace, K On Sep 3, 2006, at 12:36 PM, mark urban wrote: I think this is, in the inimitable words of Dan Hopsicker. ...a steamy pile of bullshit Wars are started by entrenched power elites whether they be right, left, middle or whatever. It is foolish to say the right wing is the source of all war mongering, because that is simply a form of misdirection. If you look at who controls the money and credit in any society, you will find the real power. Instead of the right wing, look at who controls the finances of a nation - all your slimy scumbag warmongers can be found there. The rest are just sycophants, opportunists, shills and puppets. Leon Trotsky was arrested in Canada as he was in transit to Russia with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Lord Milner lobbied for his release. Lenin was escorted through WWI Europe in a sealed train with millions of dollars for the Russian Revolution. Nobody on either side of WWI touched him. Major Jordan was overseeing an airbase from which shipments to the Soviet Union were sent as part of the Lend Lease Program. Harry Hopkins was giving the Soviets everything they wanted including secret atomic bomb plans, strategic industrial plans and anything the Soviets might have wanted from the US patent office. There is an interview of Christian Rakovsky that was conducted by Stalin's interrogaters after Rakovsky was arrested in the late 1930's. After you read that, tell me all about the bad guys in the right wing. http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/red-symphony.html Wise Up, Pal!!! --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd roadsend@ wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mario Profaca mario.profaca@ Date: September 2, 2006 11:18:18 PM PDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SPY NEWS] Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.opednews.com/articles/ opedne_john_mig_060901_who_really_starts_al.htm September 2, 2006 at 00:43:24 Who Really Starts Alll the Wars in the World? by john miglio http://www.opednews.com Who Really Starts All the Wars in the World? The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world. -- Mel Gibson By John F. Miglio The old French expression, pas d'ennemi a gauche (no enemy on the left), has a lot of wisdom in it. Basically, it means you have nothing to fear from individuals or governments more liberal or progressive than you are. Your real enemies, those who want to conquer or subjugate you, always come from the right of the political spectrum, especially the far right. What does it mean for a government to be far right? Using the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the U.S. Constitution as conceived by our Founding Fathers as a base line for a liberal democracy, the leader or leaders of a far right- wing government would invalidate or pervert almost everything these documents stand for in an effort to assume more power for themselves. Two classic examples of 20th century countries that started out as democracies (albeit weak democracies) and ended up as far right dictatorships are pre-World War II Germany and Italy. During this time period, Hitler and Mussolini seized control of their respective countries and turned them into fascist states, i.e., states with governments marked by, among other things: a heightened sense of nationalism, repression of civil liberties, widespread propaganda, intolerance of minorities, and economic alignment with large corporations. For Hitler and Mussolini, it was absolutely critical for them to align themselves with large corporations in order to bankroll their
