Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
Hi Daniel and Roland, thank you for all your usefull tips and tricks. It really makes me see Cinelerra in a different light now. It's the way to go for LInux Video Making, as nudging clips is one of the most important tasks in music video making to keep the sound sync with the voice. Ciao Frank On Wednesday 03 February 2010 22:15:56 Daniel Jircik wrote: > Also I forgot to add on the far left of the timeline where you have video1 > and the function buttons the last one is an arrow that lets you expand the > window. There you can set subtractive, additive overlay but there is a > numeric window and if you hold the cursor over it it says "nudge" I've > never used it but I believe you can enter frames to move the whole track > back and forth. assuming you can use - numbers. play with it. > Daniel > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Roland wrote: > > Hi > > > > Daniel, I didn't know this function. Thanks for the tip. > > > > Frank, > > You can apply an effect on just a part of your tracks by: > > - selecting the area you want in the timeline with the "cut and paste > > editing mode" button OR with the in [ and out ] buttons ... and drag/drop > > the effect in there. > > - selecting the area you want, making a copy of it (or cutting it), and > > pasting it in another blank video track (Video -> Add Track) on the top > > of the video track you want to modify. > > Note that this new copy can be easily "nudge" along the timeline in the > > new video (or audio) track with your mouse. For precise nudging you can > > use the "manual goto" button (if you are using the CV version) in > > combination with the 4 and 1 buttons of the num keypad. > > > > Other thing: Make sure you have "Play every frame" option checked in > > Settings -> Preferences -> Playback -> Video out. The Audio offset (sec) > > option in the "Audio out" part can also permit you to sync your video > > (but for the whole project). > > > > Some years ago, a guy made a music video using Cinelerra ==> > > http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=szB74WuelHI and posted a blog on how he did > > ==> > > http://radioal.blogspot.com/2007/12/quick-and-dirty-youtube-vids-from-lin > >ux.html (this blog seems to have a limited access now ... pity). > > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
Also I forgot to add on the far left of the timeline where you have video1 and the function buttons the last one is an arrow that lets you expand the window. There you can set subtractive, additive overlay but there is a numeric window and if you hold the cursor over it it says "nudge" I've never used it but I believe you can enter frames to move the whole track back and forth. assuming you can use - numbers. play with it. Daniel On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Roland wrote: > Hi > > Daniel, I didn't know this function. Thanks for the tip. > > Frank, > You can apply an effect on just a part of your tracks by: > - selecting the area you want in the timeline with the "cut and paste > editing mode" button OR with the in [ and out ] buttons ... and drag/drop > the effect in there. > - selecting the area you want, making a copy of it (or cutting it), and > pasting it in another blank video track (Video -> Add Track) on the top of > the video track you want to modify. > Note that this new copy can be easily "nudge" along the timeline in the new > video (or audio) track with your mouse. For precise nudging you can use the > "manual goto" button (if you are using the CV version) in combination with > the 4 and 1 buttons of the num keypad. > > Other thing: Make sure you have "Play every frame" option checked in > Settings -> Preferences -> Playback -> Video out. The Audio offset (sec) > option in the "Audio out" part can also permit you to sync your video (but > for the whole project). > > Some years ago, a guy made a music video using Cinelerra ==> > http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=szB74WuelHI and posted a blog on how he did > ==> > http://radioal.blogspot.com/2007/12/quick-and-dirty-youtube-vids-from-linux.html > (this blog seems to have a limited access now ... pity). > > > > > On 2010-02-03 16:21, Daniel Jircik wrote: > > When you put the cursor on the beginning of a scene move it back over the > > start. Note that the cursor changes to -> or <- when you move the cursor > > over the start or end of the clip. Each one has different functionality > when > > used in drag and drop mode with left mouse button. > > -> at the head of the clip nudges track forward independent of other > tracks > > <- nudges the other way. > > -> at the end of the clip lengthens the clip > > <- at the end of the clip shortens it. > > Play with it to get the hang of it but that's how you can sync up > multiple > > cameras etc. Hope hope that is useful. > > ciao > > Daniel > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Frank Glatzel wrote: > > > > > Hi Scott, > > > thank you for your suggestion, but it doesn't solve it, as Cinelerra > > > seems to lack the function to grab a take on the timeline and shift it > > > around freely on the timeline to any position like a DAW i.e.. > > > These effect work on the entire track instead. > > > > > > Ciao Frank > > > > > > > On Wednesday 03 February 2010 16:40:12 Scott C. Frase wrote: > > > > Frank, > > > > Use the "Delay Audio" audio effect or "Delay Video" video effect > > > > scott > > > > > > > > http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Frank Glatzel wrote: > > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > > > I've been using Cinelerra for quite a while now and really enjoy > it. > > > > > I'm producing a music video and would like to nudge a take in the > > > > > timeline frame-by-frame left or right to lip-sync the sound with > the > > > > > video. > > > > > > > > > > How would I go about doing this? > > > > > I know there is a function to nudge the entire track, but I only > want > > > to > > > > > nudge a take (clip). Is this function implemented? > > > > > > > > > > Your help would be really appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > > > Frank Glatzel > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Cinelerra mailing list > > > > > cinele...@??? > > > > > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Cinelerra mailing list > > > > cinele...@??? > > > > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > > > ___ > > > Cinelerra mailing list > > > cinele...@??? > > > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > > > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra >
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
Hi Daniel, I didn't know this function. Thanks for the tip. Frank, You can apply an effect on just a part of your tracks by: - selecting the area you want in the timeline with the "cut and paste editing mode" button OR with the in [ and out ] buttons ... and drag/drop the effect in there. - selecting the area you want, making a copy of it (or cutting it), and pasting it in another blank video track (Video -> Add Track) on the top of the video track you want to modify. Note that this new copy can be easily "nudge" along the timeline in the new video (or audio) track with your mouse. For precise nudging you can use the "manual goto" button (if you are using the CV version) in combination with the 4 and 1 buttons of the num keypad. Other thing: Make sure you have "Play every frame" option checked in Settings -> Preferences -> Playback -> Video out. The Audio offset (sec) option in the "Audio out" part can also permit you to sync your video (but for the whole project). Some years ago, a guy made a music video using Cinelerra ==> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=szB74WuelHI and posted a blog on how he did ==> http://radioal.blogspot.com/2007/12/quick-and-dirty-youtube-vids-from-linux.html (this blog seems to have a limited access now ... pity). On 2010-02-03 16:21, Daniel Jircik wrote: > When you put the cursor on the beginning of a scene move it back over the > start. Note that the cursor changes to -> or <- when you move the cursor > over the start or end of the clip. Each one has different functionality when > used in drag and drop mode with left mouse button. > -> at the head of the clip nudges track forward independent of other tracks > <- nudges the other way. > -> at the end of the clip lengthens the clip > <- at the end of the clip shortens it. > Play with it to get the hang of it but that's how you can sync up multiple > cameras etc. Hope hope that is useful. > ciao > Daniel > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Frank Glatzel wrote: > > > Hi Scott, > > thank you for your suggestion, but it doesn't solve it, as Cinelerra > > seems to lack the function to grab a take on the timeline and shift it > > around freely on the timeline to any position like a DAW i.e.. > > These effect work on the entire track instead. > > > > Ciao Frank > > > > On Wednesday 03 February 2010 16:40:12 Scott C. Frase wrote: > > > Frank, > > > Use the "Delay Audio" audio effect or "Delay Video" video effect > > > scott > > > > > > http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Frank Glatzel wrote: > > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > > > I've been using Cinelerra for quite a while now and really enjoy it. > > > > I'm producing a music video and would like to nudge a take in the > > > > timeline frame-by-frame left or right to lip-sync the sound with the > > > > video. > > > > > > > > How would I go about doing this? > > > > I know there is a function to nudge the entire track, but I only want > > to > > > > nudge a take (clip). Is this function implemented? > > > > > > > > Your help would be really appreciated. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Frank Glatzel > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Cinelerra mailing list > > > > cinele...@??? > > > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > > > ___ > > > Cinelerra mailing list > > > cinele...@??? > > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > ___ > > Cinelerra mailing list > > cinele...@??? > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
Yes that is annoying. You can of course insert silence. But that's been problematic for me for some reason. What I usually do is record about 2 minutes (or longer than you need) of black and make a short clip of that. That way you can skirt things up and down the timeline with the same method as described previously. Pushing the black, or pulling the scene. etc. Using a black track keeps your audio tracks from going askew as well. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Frank Glatzel wrote: > Thank you very much, Daniel. > Your suggestion works perfectly and solves half of my problem. > But when I try to drag a take around the timeline it doesn't seem to stay > where I drop it. Is there perhaps a snap which I can turn off? > > Would be very helpful if I could position a take somewhere in the track. > > Ciao Frank > > On Wednesday 03 February 2010 18:22:10 Daniel Jircik wrote: > > When you put the cursor on the beginning of a scene move it back over > the > > start. Note that the cursor changes to -> or <- when you move the > cursor > > over the start or end of the clip. Each one has different functionality > > when used in drag and drop mode with left mouse button. > > -> at the head of the clip nudges track forward independent of other > tracks > > <- nudges the other way. > > -> at the end of the clip lengthens the clip > > <- at the end of the clip shortens it. > > Play with it to get the hang of it but that's how you can sync up > multiple > > cameras etc. Hope hope that is useful. > > ciao > > Daniel > > > > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra >
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
Thank you very much, Daniel. Your suggestion works perfectly and solves half of my problem. But when I try to drag a take around the timeline it doesn't seem to stay where I drop it. Is there perhaps a snap which I can turn off? Would be very helpful if I could position a take somewhere in the track. Ciao Frank On Wednesday 03 February 2010 18:22:10 Daniel Jircik wrote: > When you put the cursor on the beginning of a scene move it back over the > start. Note that the cursor changes to -> or <- when you move the cursor > over the start or end of the clip. Each one has different functionality > when used in drag and drop mode with left mouse button. > -> at the head of the clip nudges track forward independent of other tracks > <- nudges the other way. > -> at the end of the clip lengthens the clip > <- at the end of the clip shortens it. > Play with it to get the hang of it but that's how you can sync up multiple > cameras etc. Hope hope that is useful. > ciao > Daniel ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
When you put the cursor on the beginning of a scene move it back over the start. Note that the cursor changes to -> or <- when you move the cursor over the start or end of the clip. Each one has different functionality when used in drag and drop mode with left mouse button. -> at the head of the clip nudges track forward independent of other tracks <- nudges the other way. -> at the end of the clip lengthens the clip <- at the end of the clip shortens it. Play with it to get the hang of it but that's how you can sync up multiple cameras etc. Hope hope that is useful. ciao Daniel On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Frank Glatzel wrote: > Hi Scott, > thank you for your suggestion, but it doesn't solve it, as Cinelerra > seems to lack the function to grab a take on the timeline and shift it > around freely on the timeline to any position like a DAW i.e.. > These effect work on the entire track instead. > > Ciao Frank > > On Wednesday 03 February 2010 16:40:12 Scott C. Frase wrote: > > Frank, > > Use the "Delay Audio" audio effect or "Delay Video" video effect > > scott > > > > http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com > > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Frank Glatzel wrote: > > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > > > I've been using Cinelerra for quite a while now and really enjoy it. > > > I'm producing a music video and would like to nudge a take in the > > > timeline frame-by-frame left or right to lip-sync the sound with the > > > video. > > > > > > How would I go about doing this? > > > I know there is a function to nudge the entire track, but I only want > to > > > nudge a take (clip). Is this function implemented? > > > > > > Your help would be really appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Frank Glatzel > > > > > > ___ > > > Cinelerra mailing list > > > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > ___ > > Cinelerra mailing list > > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra >
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
Hi Scott, thank you for your suggestion, but it doesn't solve it, as Cinelerra seems to lack the function to grab a take on the timeline and shift it around freely on the timeline to any position like a DAW i.e.. These effect work on the entire track instead. Ciao Frank On Wednesday 03 February 2010 16:40:12 Scott C. Frase wrote: > Frank, > Use the "Delay Audio" audio effect or "Delay Video" video effect > scott > > http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Frank Glatzel wrote: > > TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN > > > > I've been using Cinelerra for quite a while now and really enjoy it. > > I'm producing a music video and would like to nudge a take in the > > timeline frame-by-frame left or right to lip-sync the sound with the > > video. > > > > How would I go about doing this? > > I know there is a function to nudge the entire track, but I only want to > > nudge a take (clip). Is this function implemented? > > > > Your help would be really appreciated. > > > > -- > > > > Best regards > > > > Frank Glatzel > > > > ___ > > Cinelerra mailing list > > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
Frank, Use the "Delay Audio" audio effect or "Delay Video" video effect scott http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Frank Glatzel wrote: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN I've been using Cinelerra for quite a while now and really enjoy it. I'm producing a music video and would like to nudge a take in the timeline frame-by-frame left or right to lip-sync the sound with the video. How would I go about doing this? I know there is a function to nudge the entire track, but I only want to nudge a take (clip). Is this function implemented? Your help would be really appreciated. -- Best regards Frank Glatzel ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
I'm not using UBUNTU, but Suse 11 instead. Are you familiar with Cinelerra? Ciao Frank On Wednesday 03 February 2010 11:01:03 Benjamin W. Foster wrote: > in on ubuntu as studio or what > > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Nudging takes on the timeline
in on ubuntu as studio or what ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
