[c-nsp] Datacenter Network Design

2008-09-11 Thread John Ramz
We are looking into start hosting our customers' apps and data and would like 
for you to provide me link to internet resources (or books) to get me started 
on a network design that includes:

- 3rd party Compliance (security for example)
- Redundancy (routers, firewalls, switches)
- load balancing
- VLANS
- Virtual servers
- Backup- SANs-
- Disaster recovery
- How to keep customers separated from our regular network?
- How to keep customers totally isolated from each other?
- Access from our network to the Datacenter network for our developers to work 
with our customers? Also for our IT people to service, monitor and maintain 
that network

I have thought of getting an Internet pipe just for the Datacenter network and 
with all the above mentioned components and then figure out the way and 
procedures to connect our company network with that one for the different items 
I already mentioned.

Has anyone been involved in a project like that could elaborate as much as 
possible on the subject?

Please shed some light with me on where to start and build from there?

Thanks



  
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Re: [c-nsp] EoMPLS between C7206 and C3845

2008-09-11 Thread Junaid
Hi,

I have narrowed the problem. Now EoMPLS is working between the two
routers - the change is that instead of connecting CE2 to the
EtherSwitch module of C3845, I have connected it on an external 2950
switch which is then dot1q trunked to C3845. The problem appears when
I connect the host on the EtherSwitch port. The configuration on the
routing portion of C3845 is exactly same in both cases and the config
on the 2950 and EtherSwitch is similar. Does anyone has any experience
of running EoMPLS on C3845 with a host on an EtherSwitch module port?
Is there any special consideration that needs to be catered for in
such a scenario?

Will appreciate any help.

Regards,
Junaid


On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Junaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I am trying to make EoMPLS (VLAN mode) to work between a 7206VXR
 (NPE400) running c7200-jk9s-mz.123-21.bin and a 3845 running
 c3845-advipservicesk9-mz.124-15.T.bin. These two PE routers are
 connected back-to-back via FastEthernet. The customers are connected
 via a switch connected to each PE:

 CE1 --- Switch --- PE1 --- PE2 --- Switch --- CE2

 The control place comes up without any issue:

 C7200-PE1#sh mpls l2transport vc de
 Local interface: Fa0/0.3 up, line protocol up, Eth VLAN 3 up
  Destination address: X (loopback ip of PE2), VC ID: 100, VC status: up
Next hop: XX (ip of PE2's interface connected with PE1)
Output interface: Fa3/0, imposed label stack {234}
  Create time: 04:55:52, last status change time: 04:22:07
  Signaling protocol: LDP, peer X (loopback ip of PE2):0 up
MPLS VC labels: local 2207, remote 234
Group ID: local 0, remote 0
MTU: local 1500, remote 1500
Remote interface description: MPLS TEST
  Sequencing: receive disabled, send disabled
  VC statistics:
packet totals: receive 658, send 558
byte totals:   receive 61117, send 57759
packet drops:  receive 0, send 0


 C3845-PE2#sh mpls l2transport vc de
 Local interface: Gi4/0.3 up, line protocol up, Eth VLAN 3 up
  Destination address: X (loopback ip of PE1), VC ID: 100, VC status: up
Next hop: XX (ip of PE1's interface connected with PE2)
Output interface: Gi0/0, imposed label stack {2207}
  Create time: 05:06:06, last status change time: 04:42:00
  Signaling protocol: LDP, peer X (loopback ip of PE1):0 up
MPLS VC labels: local 234, remote 2207
Group ID: local 0, remote 0
MTU: local 1500, remote 1500
Remote interface description: MPLS test
  Sequencing: receive disabled, send disabled
  VC statistics:
packet totals: receive 807, send 697
byte totals:   receive 81235, send 63925
packet drops:  receive 0, seq error 0, send 0


 But the data plane is having severe issue. I cannot ping end-to-end
 from the CEs. It seems that when I ping CE1 from CE2 (i.e. from the CE
 connected to 3845), ARP works and I am able to send a ping packet to
 CE1. But CE1 never receives it. On the other side, CE2  does not get
 replies to its own ARP requests. Once I statically bind the mac
 address of CE2 on CE1, CE1 sends an ICMP packet to CE2 and CE2 replies
 to it but CE1 never receives the reply. It seem that the communication
 is one way, from CE1 (one behind C7206) to CE2 (one behind C3845) and
 not the other way round. I replaced C3845 with C7206 and there was not
 issue in the data plane.

 My question is with the IOS I used for C3845, is EoMPLS not supported
 on it? As per Cisco's documentation, EoMPLS is supported on the IOS I
 used for C3845. Any one any experience in running EoMPLS on C3845?

 Another thing I noted was in the following output from C3845, it shows
 MRU=0 and also there was no outgoing interface attached:

 C3845-PE2#sh mpls forwarding-table labels 234 detail
 Local  OutgoingPrefixBytes tag  Outgoing   Next Hop
 tagtag or VC   or Tunnel Id  switched   interface
 234l2ckt(100)50732  none   point2point
MAC/Encaps=0/0, MRU=0, Tag Stack{}
No output feature configured

 While on C7206, the output was as it should be:

 C7200-PE1#sh mpls forwarding-table labels 2207 detail
 Local  OutgoingPrefixBytes tag  Outgoing   Next Hop
 tagtag or VC   or Tunnel Id  switched   interface
 2207   Untaggedl2ckt(100)55853  Fa0/0.3point2point
MAC/Encaps=0/0, MRU=1500, Tag Stack{}
No output feature configured


 Any explanations/solutions?



 Regards,

 Junaid

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Re: [c-nsp] NPE G1, CEF and ACLs and high CPU

2008-09-11 Thread Mateusz Błaszczyk
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 How to sniff traffic punted to CPU (control-plane) on 7200/7301
 platform ? Is there something like rp-inband/sp-inband for 6500 ?

seems 7301 is not there yet

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps8802/ps6968/ps6441/product_bulletin_c25-409474.html#wp9002099

- - supported hardware =  Cisco Integrated Services Routers, Cisco 7200
Series Routers

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Re: [c-nsp] Datacenter Network Design

2008-09-11 Thread Brant I. Stevens
The Solutions Reference Network Design page on Cisco's site is a good
resource for network designs.  http://www.cisco.com/go/srnd

-Brant

On 9/11/08 3:15 AM, root net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John,
 
 If you are going to build a Cisco network you should spend some time on
 www.cisco.com and look at all of their configuration examples and
 whitepapers for specific gear you are looking at or working on.  Here are
 some books I would suggest:
 
 Cisco Press:
 Data Center Fundamentals
 End-to-End QoS Network Design
 Designing for Cisco Internetwork Solutions
 Designing Cisco Network Architectures
 Network Management Fundamentals
 
 www.cisco.com: (Research)
 
 HSRP
 STP
 InterVLAN routing
 IEEE Bridging
 BGP
 OSPF
 L2TPV3
 MPLS / VPN
 IOS information
 
 Others:
 Administering Data Centers
 
 APC Data Center University (online classes)  Some are FREE some are not.
 
 This is all I could think of since it's so late.  DR will come when you
 start digging into the protocols and other information.  Far as
 storage/backup iSCSI is your friend so build a GbE network.  OpenFiler,
 NetApp, MyIVault.
 
 From the start your facility will need to handle your immediate needs and
 growth or at least have the ability to scale (I would say maybe 10-20%
 growth for small budgets).  Look at evironmentals, power, fire protection:
 HVAC (spot coolers vs. ductless split systems vs. ducted systems, chilled
 water vs. air cooled), Power Requirements (Single Phase, Three Phase 208V
 /480V, UPS, Transfer switches, portable generators, generator), Raised
 Flooring vs. Anti-Static VCT, Security monitoring, water monitoring,
 temperature monitoring, and lastly Pre-action vs. plain wet system.
 
 Getting a seperate Internet feed would be wise unless it's just cost
 prohibitive.  Start out with maybe 10Mbit pipe and go from there.  This all
 depends your customer's applications and servers.  What they will be
 transfering and etc.
 
 Look into open source products as these are FREE and can help you. (e.g.
 nagios, jffnms, cacti, mrtg, syslog, linux,  RT,  rancid, and others)
 
 Rule of thumb:  A good data center will have proactive measures and policies
 in place to monitor, maintain, and procure.  With that said monitor
 everything (I mean everything) and have all staff alerted on all levels SMS,
 e-mail, phone if possible automatically.  It's not about downtime so much
 it's how you procure the situation in a specific time frame.  Customer
 serivce is a must.
 
 You will need to make the call on the gear you use but I use a mixture of
 Cisco, Extreme, and Juniper.  For data centers it's a must for hot swappable
 gear so look in to carrier class gear with redundant process, power
 supplies, hot swappable line cards.  I would recommend Cisco 6500 Series,
 Cisco 7200 Series, Cisco ASA or Pix.  I am not to fond of the Juniper
 firewall licensing.  BTW, Cisco 2800/3600 Series may even work.  Depends on
 your throughput capabilities you are needing.  Research all aspects of your
 gear from ram, flash, processor speeds, to throughput, modules, IOS, and hot
 swappable needs.
 
 
 The above will get you started.
 
 rootnet08
 
 On 9/10/08, John Ramz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We are looking into start hosting our customers' apps and data and would
 like for you to provide me link to internet resources (or books) to get me
 started on a network design that includes:
 
 - 3rd party Compliance (security for example)
 - Redundancy (routers, firewalls, switches)
 - load balancing
 - VLANS
 - Virtual servers
 - Backup- SANs-
 - Disaster recovery
 - How to keep customers separated from our regular network?
 - How to keep customers totally isolated from each other?
 - Access from our network to the Datacenter network for our developers to
 work with our customers? Also for our IT people to service, monitor and
 maintain that network
 
 I have thought of getting an Internet pipe just for the Datacenter network
 and with all the above mentioned components and then figure out the way and
 procedures to connect our company network with that one for the different
 items I already mentioned.
 
 Has anyone been involved in a project like that could elaborate as much as
 possible on the subject?
 
 Please shed some light with me on where to start and build from there?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 
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Re: [c-nsp] NPE G1, CEF and ACLs and high CPU

2008-09-11 Thread Rodney Dunn
You go to 12.4(20)T and do an EPC capture on the punt path.

I'm going to type up a wiki showing some examples today I hope.

I'll try to post it back out.

Rodney


On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:12:27PM +0200, David Granzer wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On 9/5/08, Rodney Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  But make sure you do:
 
   config t
   int null 0
   no ip unreachables
 
   The ACL drops are, last I checked, rate limit punts.
 
   If it's high CPU at IP Input really need 12.4(20)T and get
   a sniffer trace in the punt path to see what traffic it really is.
 
 How to sniff traffic punted to CPU (control-plane) on 7200/7301
 platform ? Is there something like rp-inband/sp-inband for 6500 ?
 
 Thanks,
 David
 
 
 
 On the 6500 is available SPAN RP-Inband and SP-Inband
 
 
 
   Rodney
 
 
   On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 03:46:23PM -0400, Stephen Kratzer wrote:
On Thursday 04 September 2008 15:12:12 Mateusz B??aszczyk wrote:
 2008/9/4 Stephen Kratzer :
  The 'log' keyword will cause matching packets to not be CEF switched.

 nope, log is not present.

  Also, if
  you're denying a lot of traffic from a certain source, you might 
  want to
  just bit-bucket it rather than sending ICMP responses.

 you mean - no ip unreachables?
   
You could match the access list in a route map and set the outbound 
  interface
to Null0.
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Re: [c-nsp] NPE G1, CEF and ACLs and high CPU

2008-09-11 Thread Rodney Dunn
That's wrong.

The 7301 is basically a 1RU 72xx/G2 combo. 

It's there so try it.

The code is on Cisco.com as I just checked.


Rodney


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  How to sniff traffic punted to CPU (control-plane) on 7200/7301
  platform ? Is there something like rp-inband/sp-inband for 6500 ?
 
 seems 7301 is not there yet
 
 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/iosswrel/ps8802/ps6968/ps6441/product_bulletin_c25-409474.html#wp9002099
 
 - - supported hardware =  Cisco Integrated Services Routers, Cisco 7200
 Series Routers
 
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[c-nsp] 100FX Ports or Media Convertors?

2008-09-11 Thread Kevin . X . White


Hi, we have quite a lot of 100Mb fibre distribution but it is spread across
many locations so 24 fibre ports out from any location is just about
enough.

My question is now, the 3550-FX has gone and I need to replace some units
the way forward with integrated ports is the 3750 with 24FX + 4 SFP @ ~
$7000
A 3650 with 24x Media convertors with dual PSU shelves @ ~ $5000

We have had quite a few 3550 MTRJ 100FX ports partially fail (high RX
drops) in the past causing all kinds of fun and games with STP
So even with the extra points of failure the Media convertors are looking
tempting as failed units can be simply replaced.

Any comments welcomed.

Kevin
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Re: [c-nsp] Setting the Remote Syslog Port in IOS

2008-09-11 Thread Justin Shore

I have it on a 7206VXR running 12.4(15)T2.

7206-1.clr(config)#logging host ?
  Hostname or A.B.C.D  IP address of the syslog server
  ipv6 Configure IPv6 syslog server

7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 ?
  discriminator Specify a message discriminator indentifier for 
this logging session

  filtered  Enable filtered logging
  sequence-num-session  Include session sequence number tag in syslog 
message

  session-idSpecify syslog message session ID tagging
  transport Specify the transport protocol (default=UDP)
  vrf   Set VRF option
  xml   Enable logging in XML
  cr

7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 tr
7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 transport ?
  beep  Blocks Extensible Exchange Protocol
  tcp   Transport Control Protocol
  udp   User Datagram Protocol

7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 transport udp ?
  discriminator Specify a message discriminator indentifier for 
this logging session

  filtered  Enable filtered logging
  port  Specify the UDP port number (default=514)
  sequence-num-session  Include session sequence number tag in syslog 
message

  session-idSpecify syslog message session ID tagging
  xml   Enable logging in XML
  cr

7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 transport udp port ?
  1-65535  Port number


I also see the command on a 3660 running 12.3(14)T7.  I have it on a 
3560E running 12.2(44)SE2 but not on a 3750 running 12.2(25)SEB.  I do 
however have it on a 3560G and a basic 3560 running 12.2(44)SE2.  I also 
have it on a Sup720-3BXL in a 7600 running SRB1.


Looks like it's available for the older platforms with the right IOS.

Justin

Christian Koch wrote:

checked for any switches after the inputting the ip address on logging
host command but nothing was available


#logging host 1.1.1.1 transport ?
% Unrecognized command


On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Have you tried logging host XXX transport udp port Y?

--
Tassos

Christian Koch wrote on 10/09/2008 19:41:

I know i can set the remote syslog port on ASA/PIX's, but i don't seem
to see that it is possible in IOS.

I wanted to segregate logs by sending them from certain devices to
separate syslog ports

Can anyone confirm this behavior?

Has anyone had the need to do something similar?

Thanks


Christian
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Re: [c-nsp] 100FX Ports or Media Convertors?

2008-09-11 Thread Jeff Kell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, we have quite a lot of 100Mb fibre distribution but it is spread across
 many locations so 24 fibre ports out from any location is just about
 enough.

 My question is now, the 3550-FX has gone and I need to replace some units
 the way forward with integrated ports is the 3750 with 24FX + 4 SFP 

There is the SFP-only version WS-C3750G-12S.  Or find some used
2912MF-XLs :-)

Jeff
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Re: [c-nsp] Inter VRF Routing help needed

2008-09-11 Thread Oliver Boehmer (oboehmer)
cc loo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thursday, September 11,
2008 5:05 PM:

 Hi Oliver,
 
 Thanks for the quick reply.
 
 Indeed i was referring to VRF-LITE
 
 In the cisco.com example, they gave this
 Router(config)# ip vrf customer_a
 Router(config-vrf)# rd 1:1
 Router(config-vrf)# route-target both 1:1  
 Router(config)# interface fastEthernet 0.1
 Router(config-subif)# ip vrf forwarding customer_a
 
 is there any specific reason why cisco recommends using both
 (export/import) for its own RD ? 

the RD is not exported, the RT is. see answer to next question.

Well, the import is not really needed in this specific case as there
is no other VRF exporting routes with this route-target (so no point
importing it). 

 
 Oliver's example is here, but i would like to confirm if 1:100 is a
 typo or should it be 1:1 (like its own RD?): ip vrf customer_A
  rd 1:1   -
  route-target export 1:100 
  route-target import 1:900

RD and route-target are different things. They can be the same, but they
must not be (in an mpls-vpn, they usually aren't the same as the RD is
unique per PE per VRF). 

 I wonder wondering if this is the correct place to post newbie
 questions like these ? 
 Im a junior engineer in a singaporean isp, hoping to learn more
 tricks and tips in the field of IP planning :D 

well, I guess it's like all lists where folks help each other: If people
see that you haven't done your homework, you might not get a reply. 

oli
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Re: [c-nsp] EoMPLS between C7206 and C3845

2008-09-11 Thread Justin Shore
Is that an EtherSwitch Network module or Service module?  They are 
very different beasts.  I'd imagine that you were using the Network 
module and that the problem could have been avoided with a Service module.


http://tinyurl.com/2ok8ox

The Service module literally acts as an independent switch that happens 
to be mounted inside the ISR chassis.  I don't have a solution for your 
EoMPLS problem when using the Network module unfortunately.  Maybe 
someone from Cisco can chime in on that one.


Justin

Junaid wrote:

Hi,

I have narrowed the problem. Now EoMPLS is working between the two
routers - the change is that instead of connecting CE2 to the
EtherSwitch module of C3845, I have connected it on an external 2950
switch which is then dot1q trunked to C3845. The problem appears when
I connect the host on the EtherSwitch port. The configuration on the
routing portion of C3845 is exactly same in both cases and the config
on the 2950 and EtherSwitch is similar. Does anyone has any experience
of running EoMPLS on C3845 with a host on an EtherSwitch module port?
Is there any special consideration that needs to be catered for in
such a scenario?

Will appreciate any help.

Regards,
Junaid


On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Junaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to make EoMPLS (VLAN mode) to work between a 7206VXR
(NPE400) running c7200-jk9s-mz.123-21.bin and a 3845 running
c3845-advipservicesk9-mz.124-15.T.bin. These two PE routers are
connected back-to-back via FastEthernet. The customers are connected
via a switch connected to each PE:

CE1 --- Switch --- PE1 --- PE2 --- Switch --- CE2

The control place comes up without any issue:

C7200-PE1#sh mpls l2transport vc de
Local interface: Fa0/0.3 up, line protocol up, Eth VLAN 3 up
 Destination address: X (loopback ip of PE2), VC ID: 100, VC status: up
   Next hop: XX (ip of PE2's interface connected with PE1)
   Output interface: Fa3/0, imposed label stack {234}
 Create time: 04:55:52, last status change time: 04:22:07
 Signaling protocol: LDP, peer X (loopback ip of PE2):0 up
   MPLS VC labels: local 2207, remote 234
   Group ID: local 0, remote 0
   MTU: local 1500, remote 1500
   Remote interface description: MPLS TEST
 Sequencing: receive disabled, send disabled
 VC statistics:
   packet totals: receive 658, send 558
   byte totals:   receive 61117, send 57759
   packet drops:  receive 0, send 0


C3845-PE2#sh mpls l2transport vc de
Local interface: Gi4/0.3 up, line protocol up, Eth VLAN 3 up
 Destination address: X (loopback ip of PE1), VC ID: 100, VC status: up
   Next hop: XX (ip of PE1's interface connected with PE2)
   Output interface: Gi0/0, imposed label stack {2207}
 Create time: 05:06:06, last status change time: 04:42:00
 Signaling protocol: LDP, peer X (loopback ip of PE1):0 up
   MPLS VC labels: local 234, remote 2207
   Group ID: local 0, remote 0
   MTU: local 1500, remote 1500
   Remote interface description: MPLS test
 Sequencing: receive disabled, send disabled
 VC statistics:
   packet totals: receive 807, send 697
   byte totals:   receive 81235, send 63925
   packet drops:  receive 0, seq error 0, send 0


But the data plane is having severe issue. I cannot ping end-to-end
from the CEs. It seems that when I ping CE1 from CE2 (i.e. from the CE
connected to 3845), ARP works and I am able to send a ping packet to
CE1. But CE1 never receives it. On the other side, CE2  does not get
replies to its own ARP requests. Once I statically bind the mac
address of CE2 on CE1, CE1 sends an ICMP packet to CE2 and CE2 replies
to it but CE1 never receives the reply. It seem that the communication
is one way, from CE1 (one behind C7206) to CE2 (one behind C3845) and
not the other way round. I replaced C3845 with C7206 and there was not
issue in the data plane.

My question is with the IOS I used for C3845, is EoMPLS not supported
on it? As per Cisco's documentation, EoMPLS is supported on the IOS I
used for C3845. Any one any experience in running EoMPLS on C3845?

Another thing I noted was in the following output from C3845, it shows
MRU=0 and also there was no outgoing interface attached:

C3845-PE2#sh mpls forwarding-table labels 234 detail
Local  OutgoingPrefixBytes tag  Outgoing   Next Hop
tagtag or VC   or Tunnel Id  switched   interface
234l2ckt(100)50732  none   point2point
   MAC/Encaps=0/0, MRU=0, Tag Stack{}
   No output feature configured

While on C7206, the output was as it should be:

C7200-PE1#sh mpls forwarding-table labels 2207 detail
Local  OutgoingPrefixBytes tag  Outgoing   Next Hop
tagtag or VC   or Tunnel Id  switched   interface
2207   Untaggedl2ckt(100)55853  Fa0/0.3point2point
   MAC/Encaps=0/0, MRU=1500, Tag Stack{}
   No output feature configured


Any explanations/solutions?



Regards,

Junaid


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[c-nsp] 6500 netflow export and the switch cpu

2008-09-11 Thread Jon Lewis
I've got a 6509 with sup720-3bxl running 12.2(18)SXD7b.  It's forwarding 
several hundred mbit/s across a number of gig ports on WS-X6416-GBIC 
cards.


I've noticed it's gotten very slow at certain things (like write mem), and 
when looking at the switch (remote command switch show proc cpu), I was 
kind of shocked to see 85% CPU utilization or higher across all time avgs. 
The biggest CPU eating process seems to be netflow export


 223  2563111984 126342970  20287 38.27% 42.39% 42.03%   0 NDE - IPV4

Other than disabling export or moving traffic off this device, are there 
things I can do to tone this down?  The couple hundred mbit/s this switch 
is forwarding is supposed to be no big deal for this platform.


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Re: [c-nsp] 6500 netflow export and the switch cpu

2008-09-11 Thread sthaug
 You can enable sampling if it is not enabled. It should help some.

Highly unlikely. Sampling on the 6500 is performed interely in software,
*after* the full set of flows has been received.

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Re: [c-nsp] 6500 netflow export and the switch cpu

2008-09-11 Thread Jon Lewis

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Phil Mayers wrote:


 current ip   flowmask for unicast:   if-full
 current ipv6 flowmask for unicast:null


Do you need the full mask? It includes tcp/udp ports. Dropping to 
destination-source may save you a lot of flows (but obviously lose you a lot 
of info)


I'd really like to keep ip-full.  It's quite handy when tracking down what 
an IP has been up to (like when trying to verify infection/scanning 
complaints).


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[c-nsp] F5 BIG IP and FWSM

2008-09-11 Thread Vikas Sharma
Hi,

Did any one have worked on F5 BIG IP and FWSM? If yes please help me. As
this point I wanted to know BIG IP and how it should be conected to fwsm,
specially in routed mode.

My understanding -

6509 (MSFC) -- outside interface of LB -- Inside interface of LB - FWSM
context (multiple context)

How bigip will be able to do loadbalancing, when it is not directly
connected to servers. All servers d/g is fwsm context.

Regards,
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Re: [c-nsp] F5 BIG IP and FWSM

2008-09-11 Thread Gregori Parker
That looks backwards...why not have the DG for internal hosts be the
BigIP, and DG the BigIP to the inside of the FWSM?

The BigIP does a good job of performing NAT, and doesn't need to be
directly connected to the nodes in its pools...in fact, I would highly
recommend against connecting nodes directly to the BigIP - you should
utilize a core switch block for that and default route to a floating
internal ip on the BigIP, from there, upstream to the FWSM and let it
handle security out front.


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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:08 AM
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Subject: [c-nsp] F5 BIG IP and FWSM

Hi,

Did any one have worked on F5 BIG IP and FWSM? If yes please help me. As
this point I wanted to know BIG IP and how it should be conected to
fwsm,
specially in routed mode.

My understanding -

6509 (MSFC) -- outside interface of LB -- Inside interface of LB -
FWSM
context (multiple context)

How bigip will be able to do loadbalancing, when it is not directly
connected to servers. All servers d/g is fwsm context.

Regards,
Vikas Sharma
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Re: [c-nsp] 6500 netflow export and the switch cpu

2008-09-11 Thread Joe Loiacono
I wonder if it is not something in the config, rather than the traffic. I 
collect netflow from an old 6509 with upwards of 800M out one interface 
and I haven't seen any problems.Using if-full too. Granted a lot of our 
flows are data set transfers though. (I can't get the IOS version right 
now as it is managed by a different group - but it is probably fairly 
vanilla.)

The number of flows was mentioned, is there alot of VoIP going through 
your switch, or something like that? What happens if you reduce the aging 
values? The 'long' one looks high.

It just seems that with the load you are quoting, you should be able to 
get everything...

Joe




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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Phil Mayers wrote:

  current ip   flowmask for unicast:   if-full
  current ipv6 flowmask for unicast:null

 Do you need the full mask? It includes tcp/udp ports. Dropping to 
 destination-source may save you a lot of flows (but obviously lose you a 
lot 
 of info)

I'd really like to keep ip-full.  It's quite handy when tracking down what 

an IP has been up to (like when trying to verify infection/scanning 
complaints).

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[c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Paul Stewart
Hi there...

In a SP environment, what's common practice so far with subnetting?
Typically, in IPv4 today we use a /30 or /29 for point to point and each
device has a /32 loopback...

I've been reading a lot of different opinions and everyone seems to
recommend a /64 for each link (router) or a server - why so large?  I'd love
to see a layout of a few routers in a SP core network and how they've
subnetted them;)


Appreciate it,

Paul


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[c-nsp] 12.4(20)T packet capture feature example

2008-09-11 Thread Rodney Dunn
I showed a troubleshooting example on the support wiki:

http://supportwiki.cisco.com/wiki/index.php/Tech_Insights:Utilizing_the_New_Packet_Capture_Feature

If you want the capture in the punt path for process level
you set the capture point to:

monitor capture point ip process-switched 

Rodney


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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Mohacsi Janos




On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:


Hi there...

In a SP environment, what's common practice so far with subnetting?
Typically, in IPv4 today we use a /30 or /29 for point to point and each
device has a /32 loopback...

I've been reading a lot of different opinions and everyone seems to
recommend a /64 for each link (router) or a server - why so large?  I'd love
to see a layout of a few routers in a SP core network and how they've
subnetted them;)


- /64 if you have any chance that you want to use autoconfiguration (may 
be in the future) - for subnets containing lots of computers I definitiely 
would go for /64


- /126 you got similar to /30

- /122 in between /64 and /126 - with nice : boundary

- or nothing if you are satisfied by link locals - OSPFv3, IS-IS can work 
without global IPv6 address (even BGP can work on Cisco)


Regards,
Janos Mohacsi






Appreciate it,

Paul


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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Justin M. Streiner

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:


In a SP environment, what's common practice so far with subnetting?
Typically, in IPv4 today we use a /30 or /29 for point to point and each
device has a /32 loopback...

I've been reading a lot of different opinions and everyone seems to
recommend a /64 for each link (router) or a server - why so large?  I'd love
to see a layout of a few routers in a SP core network and how they've
subnetted them;)


This debate rolled on NANOG a few weeks ago.  People generally broke into
two camps - one advocated using /64s on point-to-point links, and the other
advocated smaller subnets such as /126 for point-to-points and /128s for
loopbacks.  So, I guess the consensus is that there isn't one :)

jms
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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Paul Stewart
Thanks for the replies...

Yeah, I'm getting various pieces of feedback - I'm going with the /126 for
point to point and /128 for loopback on core devices at this point.  I don't
trust the autoconfiguration ideas at this point (call it old school)
anyways...;)

Paul


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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:

 In a SP environment, what's common practice so far with subnetting?
 Typically, in IPv4 today we use a /30 or /29 for point to point and each
 device has a /32 loopback...

 I've been reading a lot of different opinions and everyone seems to
 recommend a /64 for each link (router) or a server - why so large?  I'd
love
 to see a layout of a few routers in a SP core network and how they've
 subnetted them;)

This debate rolled on NANOG a few weeks ago.  People generally broke into
two camps - one advocated using /64s on point-to-point links, and the other
advocated smaller subnets such as /126 for point-to-points and /128s for
loopbacks.  So, I guess the consensus is that there isn't one :)

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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Bob Snyder
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 04:11:20PM -0400, Paul Stewart wrote:
 Thanks for the replies...
 
 Yeah, I'm getting various pieces of feedback - I'm going with the /126 for
 point to point and /128 for loopback on core devices at this point.  I don't
 trust the autoconfiguration ideas at this point (call it old school)
 anyways...;)

One issue we ran into was that not all the networking gear we had could support
/126. The vendor's (not Cisco) immature support for IPv6 could only understand
the concept of /128 loopbacks and /64 subnets.

Device in question was a CMTS.

Bob
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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Paul Stewart
Thanks .. so far we've only ventured into 7600/6500 core equipment but we do
have CMTS to look at in the future  ;)

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 04:11:20PM -0400, Paul Stewart wrote:
 Thanks for the replies...
 
 Yeah, I'm getting various pieces of feedback - I'm going with the /126 for
 point to point and /128 for loopback on core devices at this point.  I
don't
 trust the autoconfiguration ideas at this point (call it old school)
 anyways...;)

One issue we ran into was that not all the networking gear we had could
support
/126. The vendor's (not Cisco) immature support for IPv6 could only
understand
the concept of /128 loopbacks and /64 subnets.

Device in question was a CMTS.

Bob
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Re: [c-nsp] Setting the Remote Syslog Port in IOS

2008-09-11 Thread Christian Koch
hmm interesting

darn, im out of luck

i dont have it on on my 12ks running 12.0(32)SY4
i do have it on a rsp720/7600 runnng 12.2(33)SRB2
dont have it on sup720/7600 runnin SX7 either

just not enough boxes have it, to  do what i want i guess..

christian






On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Justin Shore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have it on a 7206VXR running 12.4(15)T2.

 7206-1.clr(config)#logging host ?
  Hostname or A.B.C.D  IP address of the syslog server
  ipv6 Configure IPv6 syslog server

 7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 ?
  discriminator Specify a message discriminator indentifier for this
 logging session
  filtered  Enable filtered logging
  sequence-num-session  Include session sequence number tag in syslog message
  session-idSpecify syslog message session ID tagging
  transport Specify the transport protocol (default=UDP)
  vrf   Set VRF option
  xml   Enable logging in XML
  cr

 7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 tr
 7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 transport ?
  beep  Blocks Extensible Exchange Protocol
  tcp   Transport Control Protocol
  udp   User Datagram Protocol

 7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 transport udp ?
  discriminator Specify a message discriminator indentifier for this
 logging session
  filtered  Enable filtered logging
  port  Specify the UDP port number (default=514)
  sequence-num-session  Include session sequence number tag in syslog message
  session-idSpecify syslog message session ID tagging
  xml   Enable logging in XML
  cr

 7206-1.clr(config)#logging host 1.2.3.4 transport udp port ?
  1-65535  Port number


 I also see the command on a 3660 running 12.3(14)T7.  I have it on a 3560E
 running 12.2(44)SE2 but not on a 3750 running 12.2(25)SEB.  I do however
 have it on a 3560G and a basic 3560 running 12.2(44)SE2.  I also have it on
 a Sup720-3BXL in a 7600 running SRB1.

 Looks like it's available for the older platforms with the right IOS.

 Justin

 Christian Koch wrote:

 checked for any switches after the inputting the ip address on logging
 host command but nothing was available


 #logging host 1.1.1.1 transport ?
 % Unrecognized command


 On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have you tried logging host XXX transport udp port Y?

 --
 Tassos

 Christian Koch wrote on 10/09/2008 19:41:

 I know i can set the remote syslog port on ASA/PIX's, but i don't seem
 to see that it is possible in IOS.

 I wanted to segregate logs by sending them from certain devices to
 separate syslog ports

 Can anyone confirm this behavior?

 Has anyone had the need to do something similar?

 Thanks


 Christian
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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
Paul Stewart wrote:
 Hi there...
 
 In a SP environment, what's common practice so far with subnetting?
 Typically, in IPv4 today we use a /30 or /29 for point to point and each
 device has a /32 loopback...
 
 I've been reading a lot of different opinions and everyone seems to
 recommend a /64 for each link (router) or a server - why so large?  I'd love
 to see a layout of a few routers in a SP core network and how they've
 subnetted them;)
 

I just ran into an issue in my network (testing a 3750) where an IPv6
ACL only accepts down to a /64 for matching and only EUI-64 hosts. And
there's my 877W I've mentioned a few times this week that has its own
exciting quirks.

Other than that, I use /64 for subnets and /128 loopbacks out of a /64
reserved for loopbacks. Using /64 and /128 is almost guaranteed to be
safe at this early stage; plenty of IPv6 support just isn't that mature
yet. There's an RFC or something out there (too lazy to look it up) that
says use /64 for subnets, so it's the magic number for a lot of IPv6
implementations.

~Seth
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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread A . L . M . Buxey
Hi,

 yet. There's an RFC or something out there (too lazy to look it up) that
 says use /64 for subnets, so it's the magic number for a lot of IPv6
 implementations.

my initial (and, i guess, current) IPv6 deployment plan
was based on /64 subnets.  yes, thats a ridiculous amount
of hosts per subnet...nasty software coded in 'the old style'
might make these very big collision domains and i do worry about
how ISC DHCPv6 will handle such large numbers of leases -
recalling how it deals with /16's in IPv4 land.

however, for router likn-link, non IP-based routing protocols
- as mentioned IS-IS or OSPFv3 on the link-layer avoids the
legacy issue (and wasting /64's for such trivialities)

alan
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Re: [c-nsp] F5 BIG IP and FWSM

2008-09-11 Thread Max Reid
 That looks backwards...why not have the DG for internal hosts be the
 BigIP, and DG the BigIP to the inside of the FWSM?

 The BigIP does a good job of performing NAT, and doesn't need to be
 directly connected to the nodes in its pools...in fact, I would highly
 recommend against connecting nodes directly to the BigIP - you should
 utilize a core switch block for that and default route to a floating
 internal ip on the BigIP, from there, upstream to the FWSM and let it
 handle security out front.

I concur with this advice, esp. the note about having an L3 connected
network between the back end hosts and the 'Inside' interface of the big
IP.


Main Benefit is failover (no arp issues on clients or F5); when dealing
with large load balanced farms.

~Max




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 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:08 AM
 To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: [c-nsp] F5 BIG IP and FWSM

 Hi,

 Did any one have worked on F5 BIG IP and FWSM? If yes please help me. As
 this point I wanted to know BIG IP and how it should be conected to
 fwsm,
 specially in routed mode.

 My understanding -

 6509 (MSFC) -- outside interface of LB -- Inside interface of LB -
 FWSM
 context (multiple context)

 How bigip will be able to do loadbalancing, when it is not directly
 connected to servers. All servers d/g is fwsm context.

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Re: [c-nsp] site to site and remote access on pix 506e

2008-09-11 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
Hello Dalton:

Here are a couple of ideas.

1) Change:

isakmp key  address x.x.x.x netmask 255.255.255.255

to

isakmp key  address x.x.x.x netmask 255.255.255.255 no-xauth 
no-config-mode

2) You might want to add:

isakmp nat-traversal 20

3) I'm assuming you have a LOCAL username specified?

Regards,

Mike

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 Subject: [c-nsp] site to site and remote access on pix 506e
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm wondering if anyone has a working config for a pix 506e running 6.3 or
 so, to do both site to site
 and remote access vpn. I assume this is possible?
 
 I have a pix running a few site to sites, however when i added the remote
 access config, it caused
 the tunnels to fail leaving them in a state of Xauth config or something
 of the like (don't have the exact error).
 
 Things fail when I add these 2 lines to the crypto map
 
 crypto map toCLIENT client configuration address initiate
 crypto map toCLIENT  client authentication LOCAL
 
 
 config is below, thanks.
 
 -dalton
 
 PIX Version 6.3(4)
 interface ethernet0 auto
 interface ethernet1 auto
 nameif ethernet0 outside security0
 nameif ethernet1 inside security100
 hostname client-pix
 domain-name client.logicworks.net
 fixup protocol dns maximum-length 512
 fixup protocol ftp 21
 fixup protocol h323 h225 1720
 fixup protocol h323 ras 1718-1719
 fixup protocol http 80
 fixup protocol rsh 514
 fixup protocol rtsp 554
 no fixup protocol sip 5060
 no fixup protocol sip udp 5060
 fixup protocol skinny 2000
 fixup protocol smtp 25
 fixup protocol sqlnet 1521
 fixup protocol tftp 69
 names
 access-list toCLIENT permit ip host 10.10.1.49 host 205.200.125.1
 access-list toCLIENT permit ip host 10.10.1.49 host 205.200.125.2
 access-list toCLIENT permit ip host 10.10.1.60 host 205.200.125.1
 access-list toCLIENT permit ip host 10.10.1.60 host 205.200.125.2
 access-list toCLIENT permit ip host 10.10.1.51 host 205.200.125.1
 access-list toCLIENT permit ip host 10.10.1.51 host 205.200.125.2
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip 10.10.1.0 255.255.255.0 10.177.187.0
 255.255.255.0
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip host 10.10.1.49 host 205.200.125.1
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip host 10.10.1.49 host 205.200.125.2
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip host 10.10.1.60 host 205.200.125.1
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip host 10.10.1.60 host 205.200.125.2
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip host 10.10.1.51 host 205.200.125.1
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip host 10.10.1.51 host 205.200.125.2
 access-list DENY-NAT permit ip 10.10.1.0 255.255.255.0 10.254.10.0
 255.255.255.0
 access-list splittunnelACL permit ip 10.10.1.0 255.255.255.0 10.254.10.0
 255.255.255.0
 pager lines 24
 logging on
 logging timestamp
 logging standby
 logging console alerts
 logging monitor alerts
 logging buffered debugging
 logging history alerts
 mtu outside 1500
 mtu inside 1500
 ip audit info action alarm
 ip audit attack action alarm
 ip local pool REMOTEPOOL 10.254.10.10-10.254.10.20 mask 255.255.255.0
 pdm history enable
 arp timeout 14400
 nat (inside) 0 access-list DENY-NAT
 conduit permit ip any any
 timeout xlate 3:00:00
 timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h225 1:00:00
 timeout h323 0:05:00 mgcp 0:05:00 sip 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00
 timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute
 aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+
 aaa-server TACACS+ max-failed-attempts 3
 aaa-server TACACS+ deadtime 10
 aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius
 aaa-server RADIUS max-failed-attempts 3
 aaa-server RADIUS deadtime 10
 aaa-server LOCAL protocol local
 no snmp-server location
 no snmp-server contact
 no snmp-server enable traps
 floodguard enable
 sysopt connection permit-ipsec
 crypto ipsec transform-set strong esp-3des esp-sha-hmac
 crypto ipsec transform-set mytrans esp-aes esp-sha-hmac
 crypto dynamic-map dynmap 10 set transform-set mytrans
 crypto map toCLIENT 20 ipsec-isakmp
 crypto map toCLIENT 20 match address toCLIENT
 crypto map toCLIENT 20 set peer x.x.x.x
 crypto map toCLIENT 20 set transform-set strong
 crypto map toCLIENT 999 ipsec-isakmp dynamic dynmap
 crypto map toCLIENT client configuration address initiate
 crypto map toCLIENT  client authentication LOCAL
 crypto map toCLIENT interface outside
 isakmp enable outside
 isakmp key  address x.x.x.x netmask 255.255.255.255
 isakmp identity address
 isakmp policy 8 authentication pre-share
 isakmp policy 8 encryption 3des
 isakmp policy 8 hash sha
 isakmp policy 8 group 2
 isakmp policy 8 lifetime 86400
 vpngroup client address-pool REMOTEPOOL
 vpngroup client dns-server x.x.x.x
 vpngroup client default-domain client.logicworks.net
 vpngroup client split-tunnel splittunnelACL
 vpngroup client split-dns logicworks.net
 vpngroup client idle-time 3600
 vpngroup client password 
 vpngroup idle-time idle-time 1800
 
 
 

Re: [c-nsp] Inter VRF Routing help needed

2008-09-11 Thread Andy Saykao
Hi cc loo - It took me a while to understand the difference between RD
and RT's too. 

Most literature will have examples of where the RD and RT are exactly
the same and you can't help but be confused when you see them being
different and you'll start to ask yourself what's the point of having
this RT statement when it's identicle to the RD - seems like a waste of
time. But they do play a very important role when you start moving away
from simple VRF design.

What's most important to remember is that the RD and RT can be the same
or can be totally different and that they both serve completely
different purposes. Generally, in a very simple VRF set up (eg: one
customer with 3 sites all being able to talk with each other and
exchange data), the RD and RT will be the same because you probably
won't be leaking routes between VRF's because this isn't a requirement.
The RD is basically a way to allow overlapping IP addresses to exist. If
we take the example of vrf_customer_A (RD 1:1) and vrf_customer_B (RD
1:2) - both can choose to use 192.168.1.0/24 and the address space will
be completely unique because the RD is combined with the IPv4 address to
produce the VPNv4 address like so - RD:192.168.1.1. 

The RT on the other hand is a BGP extended-community attribute that is
also tagged onto the VPNv4 address to allow you to be able to
import/export these routes to other VRF's.

ip vrf customer_A
 rd 1:1
 route-target export 1:100
 route-target import 1:900
!
ip vrf customer_B
 rd 1:2
 route-target export 1:200
 route-target import 1:900
!
ip vrf Hub
 rd 1:9
 route-target export 1:900
 route-target import 1:100
 route-target import 1:200

So in Oli's example, a host of vrf_customer_A might have a VPNv4
addresses of 1:1:192.168.1.1 and RT 1:100. Likewise a host of
vrf_customer_B might have the VPNv4 address of 1:2:192.168.2.1 and RT
1:200. The routes with the corresponding RT's of 1:100 (vrf_customer_A)
and 1:200 (vrf_customer_B) are imported by the Hub and so the Hub will
end up with the routes of 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1 in it's own
routing table and will be able to reach these two hosts eventhough they
are in different VRF's. Similarly, vrf_customer_A and vrf_customer_B
need to import the RT that the Hub is exporting (1:900) so they too can
reach the Hub.

I've deliberately used different IP space for customer_A and customer_B.
Just be careful if you plan to import/export route's between different
VRF's because you'll need to make sure the routes are unique in this
case. Imagine if customer_A and customer_B were both using
192.168.1.0/24. How would the Hub be able to distinguish if it should be
sending to customer_A or customer_B - hence why you need to do some
planning so as not to run into this problem.

Sorry if it was a bit long winded. I'm new to all this too ;)

Cheers.

Andy

cc loo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thursday, September 11,
2008 5:05 PM:

 Hi Oliver,
 
 Thanks for the quick reply.
 
 Indeed i was referring to VRF-LITE
 
 In the cisco.com example, they gave this Router(config)# ip vrf 
 customer_a
 Router(config-vrf)# rd 1:1
 Router(config-vrf)# route-target both 1:1   Router(config)# 
 interface fastEthernet 0.1 Router(config-subif)# ip vrf forwarding 
 customer_a
 
 is there any specific reason why cisco recommends using both
 (export/import) for its own RD ? 

the RD is not exported, the RT is. see answer to next question.

Well, the import is not really needed in this specific case as there
is no other VRF exporting routes with this route-target (so no point
importing it). 

 
 Oliver's example is here, but i would like to confirm if 1:100 is a 
 typo or should it be 1:1 (like its own RD?): ip vrf customer_A
  rd 1:1   -
  route-target export 1:100 
  route-target import 1:900

RD and route-target are different things. They can be the same, but they
must not be (in an mpls-vpn, they usually aren't the same as the RD is
unique per PE per VRF). 

 I wonder wondering if this is the correct place to post newbie 
 questions like these ?
 Im a junior engineer in a singaporean isp, hoping to learn more tricks

 and tips in the field of IP planning :D

well, I guess it's like all lists where folks help each other: If people
see that you haven't done your homework, you might not get a reply. 

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Re: [c-nsp] 6500 netflow export and the switch cpu

2008-09-11 Thread Jon Lewis

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Jon Lewis wrote:


On Thu, 11 Sep 2008, Phil Mayers wrote:


What do the following say:

sh mls netflow table-contention detailed


Earl in Module 5
Detailed Netflow CAM (TCAM and ICAM) Utilization

TCAM Utilization :   100%
ICAM Utilization :   7%
Netflow TCAM count   :   262026
Netflow ICAM count   :   10
Netflow Creation Failures:   456680
Netflow CAM aliases  :   0

I guess I need to get more aggressive on the flow aging.  I've been using
mls aging fast time 8 threshold 3
mls aging long 480
mls aging normal 32


It looks like the fix was to enable flow-sampling.

mls sampling time-based 64

has our cpu usage back down to about nothing and tcam usage down around 
50%.


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[c-nsp] Check bandwidth on router

2008-09-11 Thread root net
Hi List,

Is there some sort of tool you can load into the IOS on a router to check
bandwidth? Or if not what are you all doing these days in this situation.
Like for example things are running slow and you think the Internet feed may
be the problem is there a way to do speed tests on the router itself?

rootnet
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Re: [c-nsp] 6500 netflow export and the switch cpu

2008-09-11 Thread Ben Steele
It looks like the fix was to enable flow-sampling.

Out of curiosity what are you using your netflow for? I'm asking because
sampling obviously isn't ideal when you are trying to get completely
accurate data for accounting.

I am interested in hearing people's opinion on their methods of accounting
when data hits well beyond the TCAM limit(and you're already on DFC's) and
you are in an all Ethernet switched world (ie not broadband ppp radius
accounting), do you try and distribute the netflow onto multiple boxes
closer to the edge or do you opt for another method?

There is the easy option of byte counting switchports via snmp, but if
people are wanting statistics of who's been where(possible legal reasons) or
where the majority of traffic is coming from then that is not enough, maybe
a mix of sampled netflow and switchport byte counting?

It feels a shame using DFC's for a margin of their capacity purely because
you need the TCAM space to produce netflow.

Ben



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Re: [c-nsp] Datacenter Network Design

2008-09-11 Thread John Ramz

Thanks guys for your replies. I sure have a lot to chew on. I am sure I will 
post back more questions once I get into it

John

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Phil Bedard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Phil Bedard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Datacenter Network Design
 To: Brant I. Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: root net [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
 cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 9:39 AM
 This is a good guide from Cisco.
 
 http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/solution/dcidg21.pdf
 
 Phil
 
 
 On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Brant I. Stevens wrote:
 
  The Solutions Reference Network Design page on
 Cisco's site is a good
  resource for network designs. 
 http://www.cisco.com/go/srnd
 
  -Brant
 
  On 9/11/08 3:15 AM, root net
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  John,
 
  If you are going to build a Cisco network you
 should spend some  
  time on
  www.cisco.com and look at all of their
 configuration examples and
  whitepapers for specific gear you are looking at
 or working on.   
  Here are
  some books I would suggest:
 
  Cisco Press:
  Data Center Fundamentals
  End-to-End QoS Network Design
  Designing for Cisco Internetwork Solutions
  Designing Cisco Network Architectures
  Network Management Fundamentals
 
  www.cisco.com: (Research)
 
  HSRP
  STP
  InterVLAN routing
  IEEE Bridging
  BGP
  OSPF
  L2TPV3
  MPLS / VPN
  IOS information
 
  Others:
  Administering Data Centers
 
  APC Data Center University (online classes)  Some
 are FREE some are  
  not.
 
  This is all I could think of since it's so
 late.  DR will come when  
  you
  start digging into the protocols and other
 information.  Far as
  storage/backup iSCSI is your friend so build a GbE
 network.   
  OpenFiler,
  NetApp, MyIVault.
 
  From the start your facility will need to
 handle your immediate  
  needs and
  growth or at least have the ability to scale (I
 would say maybe  
  10-20%
  growth for small budgets).  Look at evironmentals,
 power, fire  
  protection:
  HVAC (spot coolers vs. ductless split systems vs.
 ducted systems,  
  chilled
  water vs. air cooled), Power Requirements (Single
 Phase, Three  
  Phase 208V
  /480V, UPS, Transfer switches, portable
 generators, generator),  
  Raised
  Flooring vs. Anti-Static VCT, Security monitoring,
 water monitoring,
  temperature monitoring, and lastly Pre-action vs.
 plain wet system.
 
  Getting a seperate Internet feed would be wise
 unless it's just cost
  prohibitive.  Start out with maybe 10Mbit pipe and
 go from there.   
  This all
  depends your customer's applications and
 servers.  What they will be
  transfering and etc.
 
  Look into open source products as these are FREE
 and can help you.  
  (e.g.
  nagios, jffnms, cacti, mrtg, syslog, linux,  RT, 
 rancid, and others)
 
  Rule of thumb:  A good data center will have
 proactive measures and  
  policies
  in place to monitor, maintain, and procure.  With
 that said monitor
  everything (I mean everything) and have all staff
 alerted on all  
  levels SMS,
  e-mail, phone if possible automatically.  It's
 not about downtime  
  so much
  it's how you procure the situation in a
 specific time frame.   
  Customer
  serivce is a must.
 
  You will need to make the call on the gear you use
 but I use a  
  mixture of
  Cisco, Extreme, and Juniper.  For data centers
 it's a must for hot  
  swappable
  gear so look in to carrier class gear with
 redundant process, power
  supplies, hot swappable line cards.  I would
 recommend Cisco 6500  
  Series,
  Cisco 7200 Series, Cisco ASA or Pix.  I am not to
 fond of the Juniper
  firewall licensing.  BTW, Cisco 2800/3600 Series
 may even work.   
  Depends on
  your throughput capabilities you are needing. 
 Research all aspects  
  of your
  gear from ram, flash, processor speeds, to
 throughput, modules,  
  IOS, and hot
  swappable needs.
 
 
  The above will get you started.
 
  rootnet08
 
  On 9/10/08, John Ramz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  We are looking into start hosting our
 customers' apps and data and  
  would
  like for you to provide me link to internet
 resources (or books)  
  to get me
  started on a network design that includes:
 
  - 3rd party Compliance (security for example)
  - Redundancy (routers, firewalls, switches)
  - load balancing
  - VLANS
  - Virtual servers
  - Backup- SANs-
  - Disaster recovery
  - How to keep customers separated from our
 regular network?
  - How to keep customers totally isolated from
 each other?
  - Access from our network to the Datacenter
 network for our  
  developers to
  work with our customers? Also for our IT
 people to service,  
  monitor and
  maintain that network
 
  I have thought of getting an Internet pipe just
 for the Datacenter  
  network
  and with all the above mentioned components
 and then figure out  
  the way and
  procedures to connect our company network with
 that one for the  
  different
  items I already mentioned.
 
  Has anyone been 

[c-nsp] console port

2008-09-11 Thread adrian kok
Hi 

I want to connect to the console port

but my laptop is only having the USB without the com
(serial port)

Now i try to use the usb to serial port cable
+ serial to console cable

to connect this console box of the router

does it work?

Thank you

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[c-nsp] load-sharing round robin time?

2008-09-11 Thread Dan Letkeman
Hello,

I'm doing load-sharing on a 2621 router with ios 12.3(26).

ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.251
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.252
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.253

This was working just fine, but now we implemented a squid cache just
behind the router and it strips the source ip, so all of the requests
through the router all look like they are coming from the squid box
now.  What is happening now is the squid box is randomly switching
from route to route, but it's taking about 10 minutes to switch from
each route.  So watching the graphs on the three routers and its only
really using one route at a time. Is there a way to change the time
limit for switching routes to make it switch faster?

Thanks,
Dan.
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Re: [c-nsp] console port

2008-09-11 Thread John T. Yocum

A USB to Serial adapter will work. I've used them without any problems.

--John

adrian kok wrote:
Hi 


I want to connect to the console port

but my laptop is only having the USB without the com
(serial port)

Now i try to use the usb to serial port cable
+ serial to console cable

to connect this console box of the router

does it work?

Thank you

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[c-nsp] console port

2008-09-11 Thread adrian kok
Hi 

I want to connect to the console port

but my laptop is only having the USB without the com
(serial port)

Now i try to use the usb to serial port cable
+ serial to console cable

to connect this console box of the router

does it work?

Thank you

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Re: [c-nsp] console port

2008-09-11 Thread cc loo
Hi Adrain,

Yup im on OSX / ubuntu as well and a RS232-USB converter will work fine once
you install the drivers



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 Hi

 I want to connect to the console port

 but my laptop is only having the USB without the com
 (serial port)

 Now i try to use the usb to serial port cable
 + serial to console cable

 to connect this console box of the router

 does it work?

 Thank you

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Re: [c-nsp] Inter VRF Routing help needed

2008-09-11 Thread cc loo
Hi,
Thanks for all the replies, i will go do more homework/reading up and
practice in my work place :D


On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Andy Saykao 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi cc loo - It took me a while to understand the difference between RD
 and RT's too.

 Most literature will have examples of where the RD and RT are exactly
 the same and you can't help but be confused when you see them being
 different and you'll start to ask yourself what's the point of having
 this RT statement when it's identicle to the RD - seems like a waste of
 time. But they do play a very important role when you start moving away
 from simple VRF design.

 What's most important to remember is that the RD and RT can be the same
 or can be totally different and that they both serve completely
 different purposes. Generally, in a very simple VRF set up (eg: one
 customer with 3 sites all being able to talk with each other and
 exchange data), the RD and RT will be the same because you probably
 won't be leaking routes between VRF's because this isn't a requirement.
 The RD is basically a way to allow overlapping IP addresses to exist. If
 we take the example of vrf_customer_A (RD 1:1) and vrf_customer_B (RD
 1:2) - both can choose to use 192.168.1.0/24 and the address space will
 be completely unique because the RD is combined with the IPv4 address to
 produce the VPNv4 address like so - RD:192.168.1.1.

 The RT on the other hand is a BGP extended-community attribute that is
 also tagged onto the VPNv4 address to allow you to be able to
 import/export these routes to other VRF's.

 ip vrf customer_A
  rd 1:1
  route-target export 1:100
  route-target import 1:900
 !
 ip vrf customer_B
  rd 1:2
  route-target export 1:200
  route-target import 1:900
 !
 ip vrf Hub
  rd 1:9
  route-target export 1:900
  route-target import 1:100
  route-target import 1:200

 So in Oli's example, a host of vrf_customer_A might have a VPNv4
 addresses of 1:1:192.168.1.1 and RT 1:100. Likewise a host of
 vrf_customer_B might have the VPNv4 address of 1:2:192.168.2.1 and RT
 1:200. The routes with the corresponding RT's of 1:100 (vrf_customer_A)
 and 1:200 (vrf_customer_B) are imported by the Hub and so the Hub will
 end up with the routes of 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1 in it's own
 routing table and will be able to reach these two hosts eventhough they
 are in different VRF's. Similarly, vrf_customer_A and vrf_customer_B
 need to import the RT that the Hub is exporting (1:900) so they too can
 reach the Hub.

 I've deliberately used different IP space for customer_A and customer_B.
 Just be careful if you plan to import/export route's between different
 VRF's because you'll need to make sure the routes are unique in this
 case. Imagine if customer_A and customer_B were both using
 192.168.1.0/24. How would the Hub be able to distinguish if it should be
 sending to customer_A or customer_B - hence why you need to do some
 planning so as not to run into this problem.

 Sorry if it was a bit long winded. I'm new to all this too ;)

 Cheers.

 Andy

 cc loo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thursday, September 11,
 2008 5:05 PM:

  Hi Oliver,
 
  Thanks for the quick reply.
 
  Indeed i was referring to VRF-LITE
 
  In the cisco.com example, they gave this Router(config)# ip vrf
  customer_a
  Router(config-vrf)# rd 1:1
  Router(config-vrf)# route-target both 1:1   Router(config)#
  interface fastEthernet 0.1 Router(config-subif)# ip vrf forwarding
  customer_a
 
  is there any specific reason why cisco recommends using both
  (export/import) for its own RD ?

 the RD is not exported, the RT is. see answer to next question.

 Well, the import is not really needed in this specific case as there
 is no other VRF exporting routes with this route-target (so no point
 importing it).

 
  Oliver's example is here, but i would like to confirm if 1:100 is a
  typo or should it be 1:1 (like its own RD?): ip vrf customer_A
   rd 1:1   -
   route-target export 1:100 
   route-target import 1:900

 RD and route-target are different things. They can be the same, but they
 must not be (in an mpls-vpn, they usually aren't the same as the RD is
 unique per PE per VRF).

  I wonder wondering if this is the correct place to post newbie
  questions like these ?
  Im a junior engineer in a singaporean isp, hoping to learn more tricks

  and tips in the field of IP planning :D

 well, I guess it's like all lists where folks help each other: If people
 see that you haven't done your homework, you might not get a reply.

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Re: [c-nsp] console port

2008-09-11 Thread David Coulson
Yep, but remember, if you move the serial port adaptor from one USB port 
to another, it will end up with a different COM port name - At least on 
Windows.


adrian kok wrote:
Hi 


I want to connect to the console port

but my laptop is only having the USB without the com
(serial port)

Now i try to use the usb to serial port cable
+ serial to console cable

to connect this console box of the router

does it work?

Thank you

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Re: [c-nsp] load-sharing round robin time?

2008-09-11 Thread Dan Letkeman
I have tried enabling per-packet load balancing, but if I do that then
no pages come up in the browser.  So I did a tcp-mss adjust on the
interface and still no difference.

topology:

lansquid box2621 router---4 827 modem's(nat  adsl)


Dan.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM, David Coulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can set it to use per-packet load balancing instead, assuming all of the
 paths are essentially the same (otherwise you get out of order packets,
 which may not be what you want).

 Is the squid box on the 192.168.11.x subnet? If you have ip redirects
 enabled, then the squid box will actually route directly to one of the
 gateways, rather than through the 2621... Not sure how your environment is
 build - Maybe a routing table and some other interface configs would help?

 Dan Letkeman wrote:

 Hello,

 I'm doing load-sharing on a 2621 router with ios 12.3(26).

 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.251
 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.252
 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.253

 This was working just fine, but now we implemented a squid cache just
 behind the router and it strips the source ip, so all of the requests
 through the router all look like they are coming from the squid box
 now.  What is happening now is the squid box is randomly switching
 from route to route, but it's taking about 10 minutes to switch from
 each route.  So watching the graphs on the three routers and its only
 really using one route at a time. Is there a way to change the time
 limit for switching routes to make it switch faster?

 Thanks,
 Dan.
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[c-nsp] 7206vxr npe300 throughput

2008-09-11 Thread Richey
I've got a 7206VXR with an NPE 300.  It does not run BGP.  The majority of
the traffic on this router will be is streaming media.  The only ACLs on
this router are there to protect the router it's self.   We are talking
about switching the full DS3 that is in this router out for a 100Mb FE feed.
Should I worry about this router being able to handle 80 to 100mb of
traffic?

 

Richey

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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 Subnetting - Service Provider

2008-09-11 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday 12 September 2008 05:29:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 my initial (and, i guess, current) IPv6 deployment plan
 was based on /64 subnets.  yes, thats a ridiculous amount
 of hosts per subnet...nasty software coded in 'the old
 style' might make these very big collision domains and i
 do worry about how ISC DHCPv6 will handle such large
 numbers of leases - recalling how it deals with /16's in
 IPv4 land.

As has been mentioned by some others on the list, we use:

* /112 - for subnets
* /126 - for point-to-points
* /128 - for Loopbacks.

We don't believe in using /64's for point-to-points, as some 
of the peering/transit we do on v6 has shown (the other 
party's assignment) - I simply fail to understand how many 
other hosts you could possibly have on a point-to-point 
link, between 2 routers, to warrant a /64.

We are not big on /64's ability for autoconf, like someone 
else has mentioned. There's a certain satisfaction to be 
had when I go to bed knowing that the v6 address I coded 
onto the router/server interface will still be the same one 
when I wake up the following day.

Cheers,

Mark.


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Re: [c-nsp] NPE G1, CEF and ACLs and high CPU

2008-09-11 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday 11 September 2008 21:06:26 Rodney Dunn wrote:

 That's wrong.

 The 7301 is basically a 1RU 72xx/G2 combo.

I thought that's the 72xx/NPE-G1 combo; the 7201 would be 
the -G2 combo, right?

Mark.


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Re: [c-nsp] NPE G1, CEF and ACLs and high CPU

2008-09-11 Thread Arie Vayner (avayner)
Yes. The 1RU version for 7200/NPE-G1 is called 7301
Arie 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Tinka
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Subject: Re: [c-nsp] NPE G1, CEF and ACLs and high CPU

On Thursday 11 September 2008 21:06:26 Rodney Dunn wrote:

 That's wrong.

 The 7301 is basically a 1RU 72xx/G2 combo.

I thought that's the 72xx/NPE-G1 combo; the 7201 would be the -G2 combo,
right?

Mark.
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Re: [c-nsp] Datacenter Network Design

2008-09-11 Thread Arie Vayner (avayner)
Another very relevant resource (relatively new one) is:
www.cisco.com/go/designzone 

Arie 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brant I. Stevens
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 16:00 PM
To: root net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Datacenter Network Design

The Solutions Reference Network Design page on Cisco's site is a good
resource for network designs.  http://www.cisco.com/go/srnd

-Brant

On 9/11/08 3:15 AM, root net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John,
 
 If you are going to build a Cisco network you should spend some time 
 on www.cisco.com and look at all of their configuration examples and 
 whitepapers for specific gear you are looking at or working on.  Here 
 are some books I would suggest:
 
 Cisco Press:
 Data Center Fundamentals
 End-to-End QoS Network Design
 Designing for Cisco Internetwork Solutions Designing Cisco Network 
 Architectures Network Management Fundamentals
 
 www.cisco.com: (Research)
 
 HSRP
 STP
 InterVLAN routing
 IEEE Bridging
 BGP
 OSPF
 L2TPV3
 MPLS / VPN
 IOS information
 
 Others:
 Administering Data Centers
 
 APC Data Center University (online classes)  Some are FREE some are
not.
 
 This is all I could think of since it's so late.  DR will come when 
 you start digging into the protocols and other information.  Far as 
 storage/backup iSCSI is your friend so build a GbE network.  
 OpenFiler, NetApp, MyIVault.
 
 From the start your facility will need to handle your immediate needs

 and
 growth or at least have the ability to scale (I would say maybe 10-20%

 growth for small budgets).  Look at evironmentals, power, fire
protection:
 HVAC (spot coolers vs. ductless split systems vs. ducted systems, 
 chilled water vs. air cooled), Power Requirements (Single Phase, Three

 Phase 208V /480V, UPS, Transfer switches, portable generators, 
 generator), Raised Flooring vs. Anti-Static VCT, Security monitoring, 
 water monitoring, temperature monitoring, and lastly Pre-action vs.
plain wet system.
 
 Getting a seperate Internet feed would be wise unless it's just cost 
 prohibitive.  Start out with maybe 10Mbit pipe and go from there.  
 This all depends your customer's applications and servers.  What they 
 will be transfering and etc.
 
 Look into open source products as these are FREE and can help you.
(e.g.
 nagios, jffnms, cacti, mrtg, syslog, linux,  RT,  rancid, and others)
 
 Rule of thumb:  A good data center will have proactive measures and 
 policies in place to monitor, maintain, and procure.  With that said 
 monitor everything (I mean everything) and have all staff alerted on 
 all levels SMS, e-mail, phone if possible automatically.  It's not 
 about downtime so much it's how you procure the situation in a 
 specific time frame.  Customer serivce is a must.
 
 You will need to make the call on the gear you use but I use a mixture

 of Cisco, Extreme, and Juniper.  For data centers it's a must for hot 
 swappable gear so look in to carrier class gear with redundant 
 process, power supplies, hot swappable line cards.  I would recommend 
 Cisco 6500 Series, Cisco 7200 Series, Cisco ASA or Pix.  I am not to 
 fond of the Juniper firewall licensing.  BTW, Cisco 2800/3600 Series 
 may even work.  Depends on your throughput capabilities you are 
 needing.  Research all aspects of your gear from ram, flash, processor

 speeds, to throughput, modules, IOS, and hot swappable needs.
 
 
 The above will get you started.
 
 rootnet08
 
 On 9/10/08, John Ramz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We are looking into start hosting our customers' apps and data and 
 would like for you to provide me link to internet resources (or 
 books) to get me started on a network design that includes:
 
 - 3rd party Compliance (security for example)
 - Redundancy (routers, firewalls, switches)
 - load balancing
 - VLANS
 - Virtual servers
 - Backup- SANs-
 - Disaster recovery
 - How to keep customers separated from our regular network?
 - How to keep customers totally isolated from each other?
 - Access from our network to the Datacenter network for our 
 developers to work with our customers? Also for our IT people to 
 service, monitor and maintain that network
 
 I have thought of getting an Internet pipe just for the Datacenter 
 network
 and with all the above mentioned components and then figure out the 
 way and procedures to connect our company network with that one for 
 the different items I already mentioned.
 
 Has anyone been involved in a project like that could elaborate as 
 much as possible on the subject?
 
 Please shed some light with me on where to start and build from there?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 
 
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Re: [c-nsp] load-sharing round robin time?

2008-09-11 Thread Garry
Dan Letkeman wrote:
 I have tried enabling per-packet load balancing, but if I do that then
 no pages come up in the browser.  So I did a tcp-mss adjust on the
 interface and still no difference.

With every line being a separate NAT (I assume) your outgoing packets
streams are more or less torn up now, resulting already in the initial
TCP handshake being impossible ... (SYN goes out with IP1, SYN ACK
returns on that line, ACK goes out with IP2 ...) The delay in switching
links comes from the router setting up a traffic flow and remembering
the IP-to-line assignment for a while ...

Only thing I could suggest for now is using three squids (could be done
on that single machine) with three different outgoing IPs, which in turn
can be routed statically to one line each through route maps ... then
use a fourth squid instance (towards the users) to use the other three
round-robin ...

-garry
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Re: [c-nsp] F5 BIG IP and FWSM

2008-09-11 Thread Vikas Sharma
Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I agree with your advice. But it might be required to loadbalance other
devices those are sitting somewhere in my MPLS network. To do this mandatory
condition is - LB internal interface should be able to ping / reach that. If
I am using first DG to LB VIP and from LB 2nd DG to fwsm context failover
ip, how can I achieve reachability from LB internal interface to servers
somewhere in my MPLS network as  to reach LB one have to pass through FWSM.

Do i need to create a separate context for LB reachability to servers
outside in MPLS network?

Regards,
Vikas Sharma


On 9/12/08, Max Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  That looks backwards...why not have the DG for internal hosts be the
  BigIP, and DG the BigIP to the inside of the FWSM?
 
  The BigIP does a good job of performing NAT, and doesn't need to be
  directly connected to the nodes in its pools...in fact, I would highly
  recommend against connecting nodes directly to the BigIP - you should
  utilize a core switch block for that and default route to a floating
  internal ip on the BigIP, from there, upstream to the FWSM and let it
  handle security out front.

 I concur with this advice, esp. the note about having an L3 connected
 network between the back end hosts and the 'Inside' interface of the big
 IP.


 Main Benefit is failover (no arp issues on clients or F5); when dealing
 with large load balanced farms.

 ~Max


 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vikas Sharma
  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:08 AM
  To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
  Subject: [c-nsp] F5 BIG IP and FWSM
 
  Hi,
 
  Did any one have worked on F5 BIG IP and FWSM? If yes please help me. As
  this point I wanted to know BIG IP and how it should be conected to
  fwsm,
  specially in routed mode.
 
  My understanding -
 
  6509 (MSFC) -- outside interface of LB -- Inside interface of LB -
  FWSM
  context (multiple context)
 
  How bigip will be able to do loadbalancing, when it is not directly
  connected to servers. All servers d/g is fwsm context.
 
  Regards,
  Vikas Sharma
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