Re: [c-nsp] MPLS - collapsed P PE

2009-12-02 Thread Phil Mayers

harbor235 wrote:

Is anyone out there utilizing a collapsed P/PE in thier MPLS networks?


Yes. Every router in our network is a PE, though we an run enterprise 
rather than SP-size network (it is more like SP than enterprise in 
architecture though).



Do you regret deploying the architecture and what are the problem areas if
any?


No regrets, no problems. We've a relatively small routing table and 
almost all of the CE adjacencies are connected subnets rather than 
dynamic routing neighbours. In that situation, separate P buys you 
nothing, and the rest of our network architecture doesn't need it.






I assume it's a dollar issue and as long as you have minimal PE to CE
aggregation
this is the way to go. However, if you need to scale this solution then the
price per CE port
can get costly on the single platform. Adding PE is cheaper than adding a P
!!
Can you migrate to a seperate P and PE easily ?


thanx

Mike
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Re: [c-nsp] MPLS - collapsed P PE

2009-12-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 03:25:50 am harbor235 wrote:

 Is anyone out there utilizing a collapsed P/PE in thier
  MPLS networks?

We have a number of these, particularly in smaller PoP's.

We have designated specific key locations in the business 
district or country as major core PoP's. These have P 
routers as well as some others to support customers and 
production services.

In smaller PoP's, we deploy collapsed P/PE boxes that haul 
back to our P routers.

It's a design that works well, doesn't break the bank, and 
can easily be upgraded if a P function needs to be separated 
from the PE function, in the future.

  Do you regret deploying the architecture

Nope!

  and what are the problem areas if any?

None, it just works. Again, the architecture is such that 
the functions can be separated at any time, if needed.

 I assume it's a dollar issue...

Yes. No use having a CRS-1 next to an ASR1002 in a small PoP 
just to serve customers there, when you can get an ASR1006 
and use it for both functions, if you don't need to push 
more than 20Gbps of aggregated capacity :-).

 and as long as you have
  minimal PE to CE aggregation
 this is the way to go.

Like Pshem, all our P/PE-based PoP's aggregate customers on 
regular Ethernet switches purely forwarding on Layer 2 
Ethernet alone. 802.1Q trunks + LACP give you uplink 
capacity and redundancy.

You can take this one step further and include aggregation 
in your P/PE setup, but this means a slightly bigger box, 
which may or may not make sense, e.g., Juniper's new MX80 
vs. Cisco's 7604 vs. Brocade's NetIron CES/CER 2000, 
depending on the depth of your pockets and how important the 
PoP is.

Cheers,

Mark.


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Re: [c-nsp] Level3 Routes - sizing up an edge device

2009-12-02 Thread Jeff Crowe
Hi Graha,

We are currently seeing 297902 routes from L3.

Cheers,
Jeff


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Subject: [c-nsp] Level3 Routes - sizing up an edge device

Can anyone tell me what the current 'local routes' count is from Level3?

As I am patiently awaiting my turn up of my Level3 connection, I want to
make sure I size up a good edge router handling their routes plus a
less-preferred default.

Thanks,

-graham


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Re: [c-nsp] VPN Tunneling question

2009-12-02 Thread Graham Wooden
Seems like my other email on Sunday (hairpinning VPN client) probably
answered this as well.  In this case, already have the 525 with the v7.x
code on it.

-graham


On 11/29/09 10:52 AM, Graham Wooden gra...@g-rock.net wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I am bringing up a new remote location that is currently being served by a
 DSL line. This site will ultimately be served with my own PtP solution, but
 in the time being and to help with the migration, I want to deploy a
 routable subnet at the location using a VPN solution between two PIX
 firewalls. I drew up a diagram depicting this, and can be found at:
 http://www.iamforeverme.com/VPN_Issue_diagram.pdf
 
 Other than the some routing statements that need to be put in at my edge and
 core routers, anything I need to do on the main site's firewall to
 facilitate traffic coming in/out on the outside interface? The 525 is
 currently running v7.0.2.
 
 I was thinking about doing a GRE tunnel but since I have an extra 506e
 (v6.3.5) that I would just use that and do a IPSEC tunnel to my 525 at my
 main site. I want all the traffic at the remote site to transverse the VPN
 tunnel, since it's source addressing will be a public subnet originating at
 the main site.
 
 Seems like a common setup, no?  Any thing else I need to consider?
 Thanks all,
 
 -graham
 
 
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[c-nsp] menu at cisco with arguments

2009-12-02 Thread luismi
Hi there, is possible to create menus in the Cisco IOS and ask for an
argument?

I would like to see is there any option to see something like this in
the IOS:


-
1 - Ping

Select option: 1
Enter IPv4 address to do ping:
-


Regards.

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Re: [c-nsp] menu at cisco with arguments

2009-12-02 Thread Eddie.Lindsay
Hi,

There are a couple of ways of doing this with IOS, including Embedded Menu 
Manager and writing a tcl script.  The Embedded Menu Manager has an XML based 
language to setup the menu and it is very flexible, only problem I could see 
being that it wasn't available in all IOS feature sets I tried.

Regards,

Eddie

On 2 Dec 2009, at 14:26, luismi wrote:

 Hi there, is possible to create menus in the Cisco IOS and ask for an
 argument?
 
 I would like to see is there any option to see something like this in
 the IOS:
 
 
 -
 1 - Ping
 
 Select option: 1
 Enter IPv4 address to do ping:
 -
 
 
 Regards.
 
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Re: [c-nsp] menu at cisco with arguments

2009-12-02 Thread Arie Vayner (avayner)
This is the config guide for EMM:
https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/k2/j.php?ED=128360782UID=120573
6437RT=MiMyMw%3D%3D

Arie

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Subject: Re: [c-nsp] menu at cisco with arguments

Hi,

There are a couple of ways of doing this with IOS, including Embedded
Menu Manager and writing a tcl script.  The Embedded Menu Manager has an
XML based language to setup the menu and it is very flexible, only
problem I could see being that it wasn't available in all IOS feature
sets I tried.

Regards,

Eddie

On 2 Dec 2009, at 14:26, luismi wrote:

 Hi there, is possible to create menus in the Cisco IOS and ask for an
 argument?
 
 I would like to see is there any option to see something like this in
 the IOS:
 
 
 -
 1 - Ping
 
 Select option: 1
 Enter IPv4 address to do ping:
 -
 
 
 Regards.
 
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[c-nsp] VWIC-2MFT-E1 issue on 2621

2009-12-02 Thread Kamen Georgiev
Hello Gents,

I have a 2621 with VWIC-2MFT-E1 module. In sh ip int br under the serial 
interface I have protocol status reset. Under show controllers E1 I have 
Receiver is getting AIS but on the transmission equipment I see an error 
loss of signal which indicates problem with the patch. The field engineer 
checked the patch, looped it and the port went up but as soon as we connect it 
back to the ADM it goes to reset. 

Regards,
Kamen


  
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Re: [c-nsp] 2821 spurious reload

2009-12-02 Thread Rodney Dunn
From the 'sh stack' you posted offline it *appears* that this may be a 
result of:


CSCsv85009  fixed in 12.4(22)T2.

I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing it but the code tracebacks you 
sent me offline match up pretty closely.


Rodney



Rodney Dunn wrote:

Post a 'sh stack'.

Rodney



Pete Barnwell wrote:

I've had a 2821 reload unexpectedly -sh ver shows a bus error as below

Cisco IOS Software, 2800 Software (C2800NM-ADVIPSERVICESK9-M), Version
12.4(22)T1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc5)
Technical Support: http://www.cisco.com/techsupport
Copyright (c) 1986-2009 by Cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Thu 26-Feb-09 19:47 by prod_rel_team

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.4(13r)T, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

 uptime is 1 hour, 7 minutes
System returned to ROM by bus error at PC 0x4224F26C, address 0x1E at
18:56:16 GMT Mon Nov 30 2009
System restarted at 18:43:38 GMT Mon Nov 30 2009


#sh region address  0x4224F26C
Address 0x4224F26C is located physically in :

  Name  : text
  Class : IText
  Media : R/O
  Start : 0x4000F000
  End   : 0x43F7
  Size  : 0x03F71000

This suggests to me hardware rather than software from Googling?

The routers got its original 256Mb  and an additional 512Mb stick in it
- is it possible to tell if this is a memory error from this, and if so
which stick might be the problem?

I have no Smartnet on this, so can't ask TAC :(

Thanks

Pete
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Re: [c-nsp] 2821 spurious reload

2009-12-02 Thread Pete Barnwell


Rodney Dunn wrote:
 From the 'sh stack' you posted offline it *appears* that this may be a
 result of:
 
 CSCsv85009  fixed in 12.4(22)T2.
 
 I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing it but the code tracebacks you
 sent me offline match up pretty closely.
 
 Rodney
 

Thanks - I'm going to try upgrading it to 12.4(22)T2 and see if that
fixes the problem.

Regards

Pete
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[c-nsp] Downgrade from 12.2(33)SXI2a to 122-18.SXF17

2009-12-02 Thread Pär Åslund
Hi,

I'm going to downgrade a Cisco 6500 with Sup-720 from 12.2(33)SXI2a to
1.22(18)SXF17 for hardware issue.

I think I have checked everything,

Configuration issues (all commands available)
Hardware support (all modules supported)
Bootloader (not needed on sup-720 for 1.22(18)SXF17 according to Cisco
documentation)

Anyone got any more pointers I might have missed?

Hard to find good documentation about downgrading. If anyone knows
good dokumentation about this, feel free to share it.

My experience after missed some configuration differences (Switch went
berserk back then, several years ago) makes me a bit at unease with
downgrading IOS versions.

best regards,
pelle
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Re: [c-nsp] Downgrade from 12.2(33)SXI2a to 122-18.SXF17

2009-12-02 Thread Phil Mayers

Pär Åslund wrote:

Hi,

I'm going to downgrade a Cisco 6500 with Sup-720 from 12.2(33)SXI2a to
1.22(18)SXF17 for hardware issue.

I think I have checked everything,

Configuration issues (all commands available)
Hardware support (all modules supported)
Bootloader (not needed on sup-720 for 1.22(18)SXF17 according to Cisco
documentation)

Anyone got any more pointers I might have missed?


I tested this for SXI (not 2a) when we upgraded, and from my notes:

 * If you're using VRFs and have converted the config to new-style vrf 
definition, you need to backport config


 * If you've re-formatted the flash disk under SXI you should probably 
(to be safe) format it under SXF before downgrade


...but other than that, if you're sure the IOS config  hardware is 
compatible it should be fine - we frequently put our test/lab box back 
into SXF.

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[c-nsp] CompactFlash card compatibility

2009-12-02 Thread Walter Keen
Wondering if anyone has any insight on CF card compatibility  on 
sup720-3b's.  Getting parts from Cisco can sometimes have a significant 
lead time, but I need to install a larger image very soon.


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Re: [c-nsp] CompactFlash card compatibility

2009-12-02 Thread Clue Store
We've been using Sandisk Ultra 2 CF 2gb cards from Staples. No issues so
far. We have these running on 6 different 720-3BXL's.

HTH,
Clue

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Walter Keen walter.k...@rainierconnect.net
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 Wondering if anyone has any insight on CF card compatibility  on
 sup720-3b's.  Getting parts from Cisco can sometimes have a significant lead
 time, but I need to install a larger image very soon.

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Re: [c-nsp] CompactFlash card compatibility

2009-12-02 Thread Randy McAnally
 We've been using Sandisk Ultra 2 CF 2gb cards from Staples. No 
 issues so far. We have these running on 6 different 720-3BXL's.

Same here.  Just be sure to format them with the sup or they won't boot.

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Re: [c-nsp] CompactFlash card compatibility

2009-12-02 Thread Brian Fitzgerald
We have been using the Kingston CF/4GB Type I - they work fine, with same
caveat as Randy posted - format them in the Sup first.

One other note - no matter what brand, stick to the slower cards (type I or
II) as the faster access-time cards do NOT work - they do not format or read
correctly.

Good news is the slower ones are a lot cheaper...

Brian


On 09-12-02 10:02 AM, Randy McAnally r...@fast-serv.com wrote:

 We've been using Sandisk Ultra 2 CF 2gb cards from Staples. No
 issues so far. We have these running on 6 different 720-3BXL's.
 
 Same here.  Just be sure to format them with the sup or they won't boot.
 
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Re: [c-nsp] 2821 spurious reload

2009-12-02 Thread Eninja

Pete,

Get off the T train to 15.0. T train is too unstable to be run in  
_any_ production network and should _only_ be used when there is  
absolutely no alternative.


Eninja

PS. Rodney, feel free to post the release notes of sv85009 so others  
can be enlightened about its cause and effect. Tx




On Dec 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Pete Barnwell pe...@whole-uk.com wrote:




Rodney Dunn wrote:
From the 'sh stack' you posted offline it *appears* that this may  
be a

result of:

CSCsv85009  fixed in 12.4(22)T2.

I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing it but the code tracebacks you
sent me offline match up pretty closely.

Rodney



Thanks - I'm going to try upgrading it to 12.4(22)T2 and see if that
fixes the problem.

Regards

Pete
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[c-nsp] Problem disabling proxy-arp

2009-12-02 Thread Jared Gillis
Hello,

I'm running some 3750s that are providing IP aggregation for customers of mine. 
One of the customers reported that his gateway (the 3750) was responding to ARP 
for his local LAN addresses. Taking a look, I realized that I forgot to disable 
proxy-arp on that 3750. I disabled it via the global ip proxy arp disable 
command, but it doesn't seem to have worked; the customer still says he is 
seeing ARP responses from the gateway, but only on PCs that have just booted. 
Also, show ip int xxx reports that proxy-arp is still live on the interface:
#show ip int vlan101
Vlan101 is up, line protocol is up
  Internet address is 70.36.146.1/24
  Broadcast address is 255.255.255.255
  Address determined by setup command
  MTU is 1500 bytes
  Helper address is not set
  Directed broadcast forwarding is disabled
  Outgoing access list is not set
  Inbound  access list is 100
  Proxy ARP is enabled
  Local Proxy ARP is disabled

I've confirmed that if I go into the interface and issue no ip proxy-arp, 
then the show ip int xxx output also shows that it is disabled.
What am I missing here to make sure that proxy-arp is globally disabled for 
every L3 interface on my 3750s? Do I really have to put the no ip proxy-arp 
command on each and every interface?

-Jared
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Re: [c-nsp] Problem disabling proxy-arp

2009-12-02 Thread Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:12:13 -0800, you wrote:

 Do I really have to put the no ip proxy-arp command on each
 and every interface?

Yes.

-A
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Re: [c-nsp] Downgrade from 12.2(33)SXI2a to 122-18.SXF17

2009-12-02 Thread Pär Åslund
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Phil Mayers p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
 Pär Åslund wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm going to downgrade a Cisco 6500 with Sup-720 from 12.2(33)SXI2a to
 1.22(18)SXF17 for hardware issue.

 I think I have checked everything,

 Configuration issues (all commands available)
 Hardware support (all modules supported)
 Bootloader (not needed on sup-720 for 1.22(18)SXF17 according to Cisco
 documentation)

 Anyone got any more pointers I might have missed?

 I tested this for SXI (not 2a) when we upgraded, and from my notes:

  * If you're using VRFs and have converted the config to new-style vrf
 definition, you need to backport config

  * If you've re-formatted the flash disk under SXI you should probably (to
 be safe) format it under SXF before downgrade

 ...but other than that, if you're sure the IOS config  hardware is
 compatible it should be fine - we frequently put our test/lab box back into
 SXF.


Hi Phil,

Thanks for the pointers.

No VRF configuration is used at all.

Didn't know about the format flash disk, will check that.

.pelle
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Re: [c-nsp] 2821 spurious reload

2009-12-02 Thread Łukasz Bromirski

On 2009-12-02 20:24, Eninja wrote:

Pete,

Get off the T train to 15.0. T train is too unstable to be run in _any_
production network and should _only_ be used when there is absolutely no
alternative.


Actually, the 15.0M *is* the 12.4T train after branching off the
12.4(24)T. Along with many fixes and enhancements, but technically
speaking that's the continuation.

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[c-nsp] Bandwidth Statement - Tunnel Interface

2009-12-02 Thread sky vader
Hi,

Just curious, since the default bandwidth for tunnel interface is 9k
(cisco platform), does that mean the maximum bandwidth I can have is 9k?

What's the purpose of setting bandwidth statement on a tunnel interface?
Does that mean I get bandwidth that is set or what the router will
report via snmp?

Insight will be appreciated.


regards,
sky
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Re: [c-nsp] Bandwidth Statement - Tunnel Interface

2009-12-02 Thread Jay Hennigan

sky vader wrote:

Hi,

Just curious, since the default bandwidth for tunnel interface is 9k
(cisco platform), does that mean the maximum bandwidth I can have is 9k?


No.


What's the purpose of setting bandwidth statement on a tunnel interface?
Does that mean I get bandwidth that is set or what the router will
report via snmp?


Three things come to mind, there are likely other subtle ones...

1.  Dynamic routing protocols use the interface bandwidth for path 
selection.  Manually specifying the bandwidth to something sane for the 
physical path over which the tunnel rides may be needed for proper route 
selection.


2.  MRTG and similar tools will use the configured bandwidth as the 
default maximum for graphing and analysis purposes.  Leaving it at 9K is 
likely to result in graphs topped at that value.  SNMP of the actual 
traffic counts will be accurate, but configuration tools of graphing 
software will get the configured bandwidth on setup and may behave as if 
this is the physical limit.


3.  QoS and traffic shaping applied to the interface will use the 
configured bandwidth for percentage calculations and the like.  This 
will almost certainly cause results that aren't what you expect unless 
the tunnel is running over a dialup link.


If you are doing none of these, then the configured bandwidth statement 
really doesn't affect anything in terms of operation that I've noticed.


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Re: [c-nsp] Problem disabling proxy-arp

2009-12-02 Thread Andrew Yourtchenko



On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Jared Gillis wrote:


Hello,

I'm running some 3750s that are providing IP aggregation for customers of mine. One of the 
customers reported that his gateway (the 3750) was responding to ARP for his local LAN addresses. 
Taking a look, I realized that I forgot to disable proxy-arp on that 3750. I disabled it via the 
global ip proxy arp disable command, but it doesn't seem to have worked; the customer 
still says he is seeing ARP responses from the gateway, but only on PCs that have just booted. 
Also, show ip int xxx reports that proxy-arp is still live on the interface:
#show ip int vlan101
Vlan101 is up, line protocol is up
 Internet address is 70.36.146.1/24
 Broadcast address is 255.255.255.255
 Address determined by setup command
 MTU is 1500 bytes
 Helper address is not set
 Directed broadcast forwarding is disabled
 Outgoing access list is not set
 Inbound  access list is 100
 Proxy ARP is enabled
 Local Proxy ARP is disabled


This might be the result of CSCsl75648, which does not reflect the global 
state of the proxy arp in the per-interface output.


I'd suggest to double-check with the sniffer trace how exactly the ARP 
traffic between the newly booted PCs and the gateway looks like, and see 
if you can correlate with anything with the config. Maybe there is more 
than one contributor to the overall issue - and disabling proxy-arp 
globally on the gateway solved only a part of it.


(Of course, checking if explicitly disabling proxy-arp on the interface 
would not hurt either - but even if it helps, the sniffer traces will 
very useful to find the root cause).


thanks,
andrew

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[c-nsp] Error message on 6500s

2009-12-02 Thread Rudy Setiawan
Hi all,

I received this error message:

Dec  2 19:54:10.874: %SCP-SP-3-SCP_HA_FAIL: SCP HA Seq Set - Module: 3
failed 0 times

I read about the error and it said it's not good for the module not to
receive the HA sequence but it does say about failed 0 times. Does this
mean module 3 received the Sequence set? or does it mean it failed once
only?

Thank you

regards,
rudy
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Re: [c-nsp] 2821 spurious reload

2009-12-02 Thread Eninja


On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Łukasz Bromirski luk...@bromirski.net  
wrote:



On 2009-12-02 20:24, Eninja wrote:

Pete,

Get off the T train to 15.0. T train is too unstable to be run in  
_any_
production network and should _only_ be used when there is  
absolutely no

alternative.


Actually, the 15.0M *is* the 12.4T train after branching off the
12.4(24)T. Along with many fixes and enhancements, but technically
speaking that's the continuation.



Yes, 12.4T became 15.0 mainline thus it contains all the features in  
12.4T but now only enjoys bug fixes with no new features added. This  
is why maniline releases are more 'reliable'.


New feature implemention is the primary cause of T-train instability.

eninja
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Re: [c-nsp] 2821 spurious reload

2009-12-02 Thread Seth Mattinen

Eninja wrote:


On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Łukasz Bromirski luk...@bromirski.net wrote:


On 2009-12-02 20:24, Eninja wrote:

Pete,

Get off the T train to 15.0. T train is too unstable to be run in _any_
production network and should _only_ be used when there is absolutely no
alternative.


Actually, the 15.0M *is* the 12.4T train after branching off the
12.4(24)T. Along with many fixes and enhancements, but technically
speaking that's the continuation.



Yes, 12.4T became 15.0 mainline thus it contains all the features in 
12.4T but now only enjoys bug fixes with no new features added. This is 
why maniline releases are more 'reliable'.


New feature implemention is the primary cause of T-train instability.



Especially in the case of using 12.4T because you need a feature in it, 
that feature is certainly in 15 and there's no reason to stick with (the 
potentially more buggy) 12.4T.


~Seth
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Re: [c-nsp] 2821 spurious reload

2009-12-02 Thread Pete Barnwell
Seth Mattinen wrote:

 
 Especially in the case of using 12.4T because you need a feature in it,
 that feature is certainly in 15 and there's no reason to stick with (the
 potentially more buggy) 12.4T.

Flashcard size - I can't get access to this router at all easily, so
anything that won't fit on a 64Mb flash isn't a good option - T train
was the only option that supported the cards in this router (ignoring XJ
which I tried  and had a horrible L2TP bug...)

Regards

Pete
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