[c-nsp] Multilink Bundle Name Problems
Hi, We have 2 LNS that are part of a SGBP group. Users can connect with multiple same type interfaces no problem. For example the customer may have 2 ADSL wics in an 1841. So looks to be functioning correctly. However we have another style of customer who has an ISDN bri and an ADSL wic in an 1841. The ISDN is backing up the ADSL with a dialer watch command. When the watched route disappears the ISDN comes up fine. So the first part of the job seems to be working okay. However when the ADSL interface comes back and tries to reconnect this fails. The usernames are different and different IP addresses are assigned. From the debug it would appear that the remote router is trying to join the interfaces into the one multilink bundle because the mppp bundle-name discriminator is the same. I have tried influencing the discriminator at both ends but it always uses the SGBP group name on the customers router. We don't want both interfaces in the same bundle for various reasons but we do require mppp on both links. *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: ppp13 PPP: Phase is FORWARDING, Attempting Forward *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: ppp13 PPP: Send Message[Connect Local] *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: Vi3 MLP: Added interface to multilink group Mu1 *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: Vi3 PPP: Phase is DOWN, Setup *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: ppp13 PPP: Bind to [Virtual-Access3] *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: Vi3 PPP: Send Message[Static Bind Response] *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Virtual-Access3, changed state to up *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Phase is ESTABLISHING, Finish LCP *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Request add link to bundle *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Phase is VIRTUALIZED *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Adding link to bundle *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Bundle Di2(ibclnstestSGBP) in different multilink group *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Link not added to bundle *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Sending Acct Event[Down] id[E] *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Phase is TERMINATING *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 LCP: O TERMREQ [Open] id 2 len 4 *Oct 16 04:32:15.167: Vi3 PPP: LCP not open, discarding IPCP packet *Oct 16 04:32:15.167: Vi3 LCP: I TERMACK [TERMsent] id 2 len 4 *Oct 16 04:32:15.171: Vi3 LCP: State is Closed *Oct 16 04:32:15.171: Vi3 PPP: Phase is DOWN *Oct 16 04:32:15.171: Vi3 PPP: Send Message[Disconnect] *Oct 16 04:32:15.175: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Virtual-Access3, changed state to down *Oct 16 04:32:15.175: Vi3 MLP: Destroying member subblock, remove from group *Oct 16 04:32:15.175: Vi3 MLP: Removed interface from multilink group Mu1 Anyone seen this before? Is there a way around it? Regards Matt ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] Multilink Bundle Name Problems
Look at the global config option 'multilink bundle-name authenticated' to avoid using the endpoint names. Some more details are here: https://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk713/tk507/technologies_tech_note09186 a0080093c49.shtml#authen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Saint Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 23:06 To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] Multilink Bundle Name Problems Hi, We have 2 LNS that are part of a SGBP group. Users can connect with multiple same type interfaces no problem. For example the customer may have 2 ADSL wics in an 1841. So looks to be functioning correctly. However we have another style of customer who has an ISDN bri and an ADSL wic in an 1841. The ISDN is backing up the ADSL with a dialer watch command. When the watched route disappears the ISDN comes up fine. So the first part of the job seems to be working okay. However when the ADSL interface comes back and tries to reconnect this fails. The usernames are different and different IP addresses are assigned. From the debug it would appear that the remote router is trying to join the interfaces into the one multilink bundle because the mppp bundle-name discriminator is the same. I have tried influencing the discriminator at both ends but it always uses the SGBP group name on the customers router. We don't want both interfaces in the same bundle for various reasons but we do require mppp on both links. *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: ppp13 PPP: Phase is FORWARDING, Attempting Forward *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: ppp13 PPP: Send Message[Connect Local] *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: Vi3 MLP: Added interface to multilink group Mu1 *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: Vi3 PPP: Phase is DOWN, Setup *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: ppp13 PPP: Bind to [Virtual-Access3] *Oct 16 04:32:15.139: Vi3 PPP: Send Message[Static Bind Response] *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Virtual-Access3, changed state to up *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Phase is ESTABLISHING, Finish LCP *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Request add link to bundle *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Phase is VIRTUALIZED *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Adding link to bundle *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Bundle Di2(ibclnstestSGBP) in different multilink group *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 MLP: Link not added to bundle *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Sending Acct Event[Down] id[E] *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 PPP: Phase is TERMINATING *Oct 16 04:32:15.143: Vi3 LCP: O TERMREQ [Open] id 2 len 4 *Oct 16 04:32:15.167: Vi3 PPP: LCP not open, discarding IPCP packet *Oct 16 04:32:15.167: Vi3 LCP: I TERMACK [TERMsent] id 2 len 4 *Oct 16 04:32:15.171: Vi3 LCP: State is Closed *Oct 16 04:32:15.171: Vi3 PPP: Phase is DOWN *Oct 16 04:32:15.171: Vi3 PPP: Send Message[Disconnect] *Oct 16 04:32:15.175: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Virtual-Access3, changed state to down *Oct 16 04:32:15.175: Vi3 MLP: Destroying member subblock, remove from group *Oct 16 04:32:15.175: Vi3 MLP: Removed interface from multilink group Mu1 Anyone seen this before? Is there a way around it? Regards Matt ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
IMA? /me hides Joseph Jackson wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? Joseph ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Mike Johnson wrote: Why wouldn't you just buy a T3 or an ethernet service? While I don't recommend trying to build a multilink bundle that big either, it's possible that higher bandwidth transports are either not available or are prohibitively expensive. jms On 12/5/07, Rodney Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reordering overhead for that many T1's will be huge. We don't recommend that many. Rodney reOn Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:21:43PM -0800, Joseph Jackson wrote: Just to answer everyones questions here's the story. One end has a 7206 NPE G1 with 1 gig of ram other end has 7204 NPE 300 with 256 megs of ram Each router has a PA-MC-T3= (the channelized ds3 card) We do have a ds3 it just has channels 1-5 stripped of it to do voice between the locations. I would like to use the rest of the DS3's bandwidth for data but I can't seem to find a way to do that without just using a crap load of T1's put into multilink bundles. Any ideas? Thanks Joseph From: Doug Clements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft /120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
Switch the entire T3 over to data and the run your voice via VoIP or circuit emulation RAD makes an IPmux that will run TDMoverIP emulating T1s on each end http://www.rad.com/Article/0,6583,35963-TDM_Pseudowire_Access_Gateway,00.html On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Mike Johnson wrote: Why wouldn't you just buy a T3 or an ethernet service? While I don't recommend trying to build a multilink bundle that big either, it's possible that higher bandwidth transports are either not available or are prohibitively expensive. jms On 12/5/07, Rodney Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reordering overhead for that many T1's will be huge. We don't recommend that many. Rodney reOn Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:21:43PM -0800, Joseph Jackson wrote: Just to answer everyones questions here's the story. One end has a 7206 NPE G1 with 1 gig of ram other end has 7204 NPE 300 with 256 megs of ram Each router has a PA-MC-T3= (the channelized ds3 card) We do have a ds3 it just has channels 1-5 stripped of it to do voice between the locations. I would like to use the rest of the DS3's bandwidth for data but I can't seem to find a way to do that without just using a crap load of T1's put into multilink bundles. Any ideas? Thanks Joseph From: Doug Clements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft /120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
Why wouldn't you just buy a T3 or an ethernet service? harbor235 On 12/5/07, Rodney Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reordering overhead for that many T1's will be huge. We don't recommend that many. Rodney reOn Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:21:43PM -0800, Joseph Jackson wrote: Just to answer everyones questions here's the story. One end has a 7206 NPE G1 with 1 gig of ram other end has 7204 NPE 300 with 256 megs of ram Each router has a PA-MC-T3= (the channelized ds3 card) We do have a ds3 it just has channels 1-5 stripped of it to do voice between the locations. I would like to use the rest of the DS3's bandwidth for data but I can't seem to find a way to do that without just using a crap load of T1's put into multilink bundles. Any ideas? Thanks Joseph From: Doug Clements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft /120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
The reordering overhead for that many T1's will be huge. We don't recommend that many. Rodney reOn Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:21:43PM -0800, Joseph Jackson wrote: Just to answer everyones questions here's the story. One end has a 7206 NPE G1 with 1 gig of ram other end has 7204 NPE 300 with 256 megs of ram Each router has a PA-MC-T3= (the channelized ds3 card) We do have a ds3 it just has channels 1-5 stripped of it to do voice between the locations. I would like to use the rest of the DS3's bandwidth for data but I can't seem to find a way to do that without just using a crap load of T1's put into multilink bundles. Any ideas? Thanks Joseph From: Doug Clements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft /120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
It is coming out of a adtran T3su. I will give this a shot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Weis Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:52 AM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle Bill Nash wrote: Convert it to a full data pipe and find another way to transport the voice traffic over it? This is out of my scope, but it seems like VOIP could be a winner here. If you want to stay TDM get a pair of Adtran T3SU's appropriately carded and drop out the unused portion of the DS3 as HSSI. djweis ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
I know you said you already have the DS3 ports, but another way to go with the T3SU is to insert the Ethernet bridge card, and avoid HSSI altogether. Joseph Jackson wrote: It is coming out of a adtran T3su. I will give this a shot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Weis Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:52 AM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle Bill Nash wrote: Convert it to a full data pipe and find another way to transport the voice traffic over it? This is out of my scope, but it seems like VOIP could be a winner here. If you want to stay TDM get a pair of Adtran T3SU's appropriately carded and drop out the unused portion of the DS3 as HSSI. djweis ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
We used to use a similar situation where we needed T1's in a location on campus and all we had was Ethernet. We used 4 port IP Tubes, which takes 100mb Ethernet in, and breaks out up to 4 T1s. One unit on either side. It worked great for us until we went VoIP, then we disconnected them. We still have them sitting on the shelf, unused. ;-) Tim Winders | Associate Dean of Information Technology | South Plains College -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:cisco-nsp- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Crocker Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:20 AM To: Justin M. Streiner Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle Switch the entire T3 over to data and the run your voice via VoIP or circuit emulation RAD makes an IPmux that will run TDMoverIP emulating T1s on each end http://www.rad.com/Article/0,6583,35963- TDM_Pseudowire_Access_Gateway,00.html On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Mike Johnson wrote: Why wouldn't you just buy a T3 or an ethernet service? While I don't recommend trying to build a multilink bundle that big either, it's possible that higher bandwidth transports are either not available or are prohibitively expensive. jms On 12/5/07, Rodney Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reordering overhead for that many T1's will be huge. We don't recommend that many. Rodney reOn Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:21:43PM -0800, Joseph Jackson wrote: Just to answer everyones questions here's the story. One end has a 7206 NPE G1 with 1 gig of ram other end has 7204 NPE 300 with 256 megs of ram Each router has a PA-MC-T3= (the channelized ds3 card) We do have a ds3 it just has channels 1-5 stripped of it to do voice between the locations. I would like to use the rest of the DS3's bandwidth for data but I can't seem to find a way to do that without just using a crap load of T1's put into multilink bundles. Any ideas? Thanks Joseph From: Doug Clements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newf t /120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
Bill Nash wrote: Convert it to a full data pipe and find another way to transport the voice traffic over it? This is out of my scope, but it seems like VOIP could be a winner here. If you want to stay TDM get a pair of Adtran T3SU's appropriately carded and drop out the unused portion of the DS3 as HSSI. djweis ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
Convert it to a full data pipe and find another way to transport the voice traffic over it? This is out of my scope, but it seems like VOIP could be a winner here. - billn On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Joseph Jackson wrote: Just to answer everyones questions here's the story. One end has a 7206 NPE G1 with 1 gig of ram other end has 7204 NPE 300 with 256 megs of ram Each router has a PA-MC-T3= (the channelized ds3 card) We do have a ds3 it just has channels 1-5 stripped of it to do voice between the locations. I would like to use the rest of the DS3's bandwidth for data but I can't seem to find a way to do that without just using a crap load of T1's put into multilink bundles. Any ideas? Thanks Joseph From: Doug Clements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft /120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
[c-nsp] multilink bundle
Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? Joseph ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
At 07:49 PM 12/4/2007, you wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? Not retarded, but I think there is a max of 8 supported. I could be wrong though. Is 23 T1s actually cheaper than a DS3? Normally we see the DS3 make more sense around 6-10 T1s. -Robert Tellurian Networks - Global Hosting Solutions Since 1995 http://www.tellurian.com | 888-TELLURIAN | 973-300-9211 Well done is better than well said. - Benjamin Franklin ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft/120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
I've received warnings from IOS when bundling 4 T1s (on a VIP2-50) before, but this was in the past and probably due to SRAM on that card. I've never seen actual limitations on the maximum allowed in a bundle. If you're worried about distributing to a VIP, check this document for the limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft /120t/120t3/multippp.htm I wouldn't do it myself, I'd go for the full DS3 at that point unless you have an extreme technical requirement that overrides the potential loop cost (break even is around 6 last time I ran into this on our end). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Jackson Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 16:50 To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] multilink bundle Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? Joseph ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Joseph Jackson wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? No, but it would certainly be considered perplexing. When would you ever run into a circumstance where even the most egregious local loop costs would create a case for 23 T1s over a DS3? -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Direct : +1-678-954-0671 ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
Just to answer everyones questions here's the story. One end has a 7206 NPE G1 with 1 gig of ram other end has 7204 NPE 300 with 256 megs of ram Each router has a PA-MC-T3= (the channelized ds3 card) We do have a ds3 it just has channels 1-5 stripped of it to do voice between the locations. I would like to use the rest of the DS3's bandwidth for data but I can't seem to find a way to do that without just using a crap load of T1's put into multilink bundles. Any ideas? Thanks Joseph From: Doug Clements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Dec 4, 2007 4:49 PM, Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? I wouldn't try it, but assuming you're running 7500, there are hardware limitations: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft /120t/120t3/multippp.htm#wp1025005 --Doug ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
So curiosity has me. Why bundle 23 T1s? Richey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:41 PM To: Joseph Jackson Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Joseph Jackson wrote: Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? No, but it would certainly be considered perplexing. When would you ever run into a circumstance where even the most egregious local loop costs would create a case for 23 T1s over a DS3? -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Direct : +1-678-954-0671 ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle
I've done 12 E1 bundled with Cisco 7204 NPE 400 finely. rgs a. rahman isnaini r.sutan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joseph Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [c-nsp] multilink bundle Would it be considered retarded to put 23 T1's into a multilink bundle? Joseph *shakes magic 8 ball* The overheads of multilinking that many individual circuits would probably remove any benefit from the size of the link you are creating out of it. :-) ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/ ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
