Re: A website written using Clojure.
On Jun 25, 3:59 pm, Berlin Brown wrote: > On Jun 25, 3:52 pm, Mike Hinchey wrote: > > > > > Instead of eval in the doseq, you could use a macro with a do block, > > something like: > > user> (defmacro deftags [tags] > > `(do ~@(map (fn [tag] > > `(defn ~(symbol (str tag "-with")) > > [block#] (str ~tag block#))) > > tags))) > > #'user/deftags > > > user> (deftags ["html"]) > > #'user/html-with > > > user> (html-with [1]) > > "html[1]" > > > -Mike > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM, CuppoJava > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > I use doseq instead of map because I need it to run immediately, and > > > I'm not interested in the return values of the functions. > > > > I also would love to be able to simply the (eval ...) part, but I > > > don't know of any other way to dynamically define a function in > > > Clojure. If you know of a way it'd help me out a lot. > > > -Patrick > > I am not looking at the code, I hate when people nitpick every snippet > they see. I don't think that gets anyone anywhere. > > But does anyone have a problem with Lisp/S-Expressions to HTML/XHtml, > especially for the entire document. What is wrong with using some > form of templating system. I think that is what Lisp has (see Lisp's > Html-template). > > I am not talking about this particular application, but just in > general. I love the ability to take sections of HTML or snippets of > HTML and use that as the View and then break that off from the > application code. > > But that is just me. Don't sort of you get that for 'free' with an s-expr system anyway? You have 'syntax quote' (perfect for making templates) and very robust mapping functions in clojure. All you would have to do after that is keep all of your "html" list generating functions (snippets) in a separate file? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
Stuart Sierra, I want to use StringTemplate, could you give me a lead? Emeka On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Stuart Sierra wrote: > > On Jun 25, 3:59 pm, Berlin Brown wrote: > > But does anyone have a problem with Lisp/S-Expressions to HTML/XHtml, > > especially for the entire document. What is wrong with using some > > form of templating system. > > Yes, I'm partial to StringTemplate, a Java template framework. Very > simple, like a functional language itself. > http://www.stringtemplate.org/ > > -SS > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
That's a good point. Dimming the lines would be a good idea. I originally tried to make the text actually line up with the lines, but that was a nightmare, and it didn't contribute much to the final effect. Scheme is a great language. If I needed to work on a project that runs natively (ie. not on a VM) scheme would be my first choice. I still envy Scheme's first-class continuations, and wish Clojure had them. -Patrick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
> I'm not running off any server. All the pages are static html, which > are generated by a Clojure script. No kidding! I've done the exact same thing for my first website. It was using Scheme though and leveraged Oleg's SXML library, it bring me back fond memories. I'm looking at that old code right now and it was kind of crazy, just using R5RS with srfi 1 and 19, Clojure is so much better than this. Your website looks good by the way. One thing is if you could dim the background lines a little bit, it would make the text more readable, some line look strikethrough. > I looked at Compojure, and it seems very promising, but I decided it > was overkill for my website. Compojure is really great! ;-) - budu --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
On Jun 25, 3:59 pm, Berlin Brown wrote: > But does anyone have a problem with Lisp/S-Expressions to HTML/XHtml, > especially for the entire document. What is wrong with using some > form of templating system. Yes, I'm partial to StringTemplate, a Java template framework. Very simple, like a functional language itself. http://www.stringtemplate.org/ -SS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
On Jun 25, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Berlin Brown wrote: > But does anyone have a problem with Lisp/S-Expressions to HTML/XHtml, > especially for the entire document. What is wrong with using some > form of templating system. I think that is what Lisp has (see Lisp's > Html-template). http://weitz.de/html-template/ Of course, it's made by the same guy as CL-WHO, which uses the s-expr system instead: http://weitz.de/cl-who/ > I am not talking about this particular application, but just in > general. I love the ability to take sections of HTML or snippets of > HTML and use that as the View and then break that off from the > application code. > > But that is just me. Mixed bag for me, though I pretty much agree. On the one hand, I prefer the terseness of s-exp templating, and that you can't forget to close a tag. On the other hand, my business partner isn't going to learn Lisp anytime soon and needs to be able to modify the HTML that gets output. I know technically Lisp is simpler than XML, but it's still intimidating to the muggles. :) The strength of something like PHP or embedded Ruby is that the text editors support it and you get the full power of the language inside the template. HTML-Template doesn't give you the full power of Lisp inside the template, but the advantage is that templates get compiled into something that executes really fast and it's easy enough that designers can probably handle it. I kind of hate seeing HTML being manually printed out deep inside the code. I'd rather pass s-exps out, or something. Better not to do any formatting deep in the code and have a real separation of concerns. It's also nice if you can change the way it renders without recompiling. HTML-Template, when you load a file, it keeps track of that file and if it changes out from underneath it, it notices and recompiles the template (rather like JSP, I guess). CL-WHO, you'd have to recompile the function somehow, which means you need to have a REPL open somewhere you can get to. Which probably isn't impossible but seems to be a little more involved with Clojure than it is with Lisp. Another point for external HTML-style templates. I've seen a couple templating systems (notably ZPT/TAL and Kid) that work by putting some XML from a different namespace into your document. Pro, your XML is always valid; con, it's a pain to work with and sometimes you just want to dump out some crap and don't really care if it's valid. Convenience versus correctness. I tend to side with convenience on templating. I dunno. This problem has a lot of solutions and all of them seem to involve compromises. — Daniel Lyons --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
Thanks Mike for that tip. That seems a bit better, but then I have a left-over macro that I have no use for. As to why I didn't use a map. I needed destructuring so Clojure would have internally turned the map into a seq anyway. Though a map would save me from a layer of parenthesis. I'll keep that in mind for next time. This is the first time I used a s-expression to html approach. Before this, I used templating engines in PHP and Ruby. Ultimately, they turned out to be more hassle than they were worth to me. Or maybe I'm just not very good with them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
On Jun 25, 3:52 pm, Mike Hinchey wrote: > Instead of eval in the doseq, you could use a macro with a do block, > something like: > user> (defmacro deftags [tags] > `(do ~@(map (fn [tag] > `(defn ~(symbol (str tag "-with")) > [block#] (str ~tag block#))) > tags))) > #'user/deftags > > user> (deftags ["html"]) > #'user/html-with > > user> (html-with [1]) > "html[1]" > > -Mike > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM, CuppoJava wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > I use doseq instead of map because I need it to run immediately, and > > I'm not interested in the return values of the functions. > > > I also would love to be able to simply the (eval ...) part, but I > > don't know of any other way to dynamically define a function in > > Clojure. If you know of a way it'd help me out a lot. > > -Patrick I am not looking at the code, I hate when people nitpick every snippet they see. I don't think that gets anyone anywhere. But does anyone have a problem with Lisp/S-Expressions to HTML/XHtml, especially for the entire document. What is wrong with using some form of templating system. I think that is what Lisp has (see Lisp's Html-template). I am not talking about this particular application, but just in general. I love the ability to take sections of HTML or snippets of HTML and use that as the View and then break that off from the application code. But that is just me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
Instead of eval in the doseq, you could use a macro with a do block, something like: user> (defmacro deftags [tags] `(do ~@(map (fn [tag] `(defn ~(symbol (str tag "-with")) [block#] (str ~tag block#))) tags))) #'user/deftags user> (deftags ["html"]) #'user/html-with user> (html-with [1]) "html[1]" -Mike On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM, CuppoJava wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. > > I use doseq instead of map because I need it to run immediately, and > I'm not interested in the return values of the functions. > > I also would love to be able to simply the (eval ...) part, but I > don't know of any other way to dynamically define a function in > Clojure. If you know of a way it'd help me out a lot. > -Patrick > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
CuppoJava,
I was referring to the map data structure {'html "html"..} and not the
other map.
Regards,
Emeka
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Re: A website written using Clojure.
CuppoJava, Did you try prxml? May be it can be of help. Regards, Emeka --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
Yeah. Speed and simplicity were my main reasons to use static HTML instead of running off a server. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
On Jun 25, 2009, at 12:57 PM, CuppoJava wrote: > > I'm not running off any server. All the pages are static html, which > are generated by a Clojure script. Haha, that explains the speed. :) *slaps forehead* — Daniel Lyons --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
I'm not running off any server. All the pages are static html, which are generated by a Clojure script. I looked at Compojure, and it seems very promising, but I decided it was overkill for my website. -Patrick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
Thanks for your opinions Daniel. Yes I really need to adapt to using hyphens instead of underscores. I've irked more than a few people already. So far, defblockfn is serving me well, but it has bitten me a few times now. If I come up with another alternative I will switch over. -Patrick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
What server are you running it on ? Tomcat ? There's a compojure web framework that already has html combinator library. Check it out here: http://preview.compojure.org/docs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
Thanks for the reply. I use doseq instead of map because I need it to run immediately, and I'm not interested in the return values of the functions. I also would love to be able to simply the (eval ...) part, but I don't know of any other way to dynamically define a function in Clojure. If you know of a way it'd help me out a lot. -Patrick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:46 AM, CuppoJava wrote: > > Hey guys, > I was a little tired of working on what I am supposed to be working > on, and decided to take a break and create a website. I decided to use > Clojure, and to my surprise, it only took a day and less than 3 pages > of code. > > members.shaw.ca/patrickli > > It only has a single article right now, under Technical, that talks > about how I programmed the website. It's still a rough work (I haven't > written anything substantial for a long time), but it'd be nice to > hear some thoughts. Very impressive and cool! And fast too! My comments are really things you've already heard on the list. You should use -'s instead of _'s, for consistency if not for readability, and I'm still leery of defblockfn. But part of the joy of Lisp is constructing an environment of your liking and taking flight. — Daniel Lyons --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A website written using Clojure.
That's cool. (doseq [[name tag] [['html "html"] ['head "head"] ['style "style"] ['title "title"] ['body "body"] ['table "table"] ['row "tr"] ['col "td"] ['span "span"] ['h1 "h1"]]] Why not use map here? (eval `(defblockfn ~name [block#] (html_tag* ~tag nil block#))) (eval `(defblockfn ~(symbol (str name "_with")) [attributes# block#] (html_tag* ~tag attributes# block# See if you can simplify the above code. Regards, Emeka On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM, CuppoJava wrote: > > Hey guys, > I was a little tired of working on what I am supposed to be working > on, and decided to take a break and create a website. I decided to use > Clojure, and to my surprise, it only took a day and less than 3 pages > of code. > > members.shaw.ca/patrickli > > It only has a single article right now, under Technical, that talks > about how I programmed the website. It's still a rough work (I haven't > written anything substantial for a long time), but it'd be nice to > hear some thoughts. > > -Patrick > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A website written using Clojure.
Hey guys, I was a little tired of working on what I am supposed to be working on, and decided to take a break and create a website. I decided to use Clojure, and to my surprise, it only took a day and less than 3 pages of code. members.shaw.ca/patrickli It only has a single article right now, under Technical, that talks about how I programmed the website. It's still a rough work (I haven't written anything substantial for a long time), but it'd be nice to hear some thoughts. -Patrick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
