Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
I never understood why people complain about the documentation of clojure/core. From the very beginning, I have found the docstrings to be exactly what I needed; when I first began 4clojure, I had On 26 April 2013 01:30, u1204 d...@axiom-developer.org wrote: ...0? :-) Tim Daly -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
[sorry for a premature send...] I had the official documentation (http://clojure.github.io/clojure/clojure.core-api.html) open in a browser and was looking for things with plain search function of my browser. I always found the docstrings to be very clear and to the point. But then, I did it the old-fashioned way : I began learning Clojure by reading a book about it before writing any code, so I did have some context from the start. On 28 April 2013 11:07, Gary Verhaegen gary.verhae...@gmail.com wrote: I never understood why people complain about the documentation of clojure/core. From the very beginning, I have found the docstrings to be exactly what I needed; when I first began 4clojure, I had On 26 April 2013 01:30, u1204 d...@axiom-developer.org wrote: ...0? :-) Tim Daly -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
primitive hinted fns will get inlined. You can also play the same kinds of
games that Clojure does with definterface+deftype and fns that declare
:inline metadata.
If you don't want to learn the subtleties of Clojure performance tuning
then you can always write your performance critical bits in Java and call
into it. Some folks, like the people at Prismatic, seem to be doing pretty
well writing all their performance critical code in Clojure, but they've
built some tools to avoid the various potential pitfalls.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
Primitive hinted funtions seem to be not an exception.
(defn my-inc ^long [^long l] (inc l))
(defn f1 [^long l] (inc l))
(defn f2 [^long l] (my-inc l))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
Elapsed time: 68.683431 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.964182 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.105047 msecs
Elapsed time: 108.576746 msecs
Elapsed time: 100.992193 msecs
Elapsed time: 100.945511 msecs
On Apr 25, 10:32 pm, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote:
primitive hinted fns will get inlined. You can also play the same kinds of
games that Clojure does with definterface+deftype and fns that declare
:inline metadata.
If you don't want to learn the subtleties of Clojure performance tuning
then you can always write your performance critical bits in Java and call
into it. Some folks, like the people at Prismatic, seem to be doing pretty
well writing all their performance critical code in Clojure, but they've
built some tools to avoid the various potential pitfalls.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
jvm.tools.analyzer is a nice tool for exploration in this area.
I don't personally know all the subtleties here, but after some playing I
managed to emit an unboxing function.
I could tell from the AST.
https://gist.github.com/frenchy64/5459989
Thanks,
Ambrose
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
Primitive hinted funtions seem to be not an exception.
(defn my-inc ^long [^long l] (inc l))
(defn f1 [^long l] (inc l))
(defn f2 [^long l] (my-inc l))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
Elapsed time: 68.683431 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.964182 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.105047 msecs
Elapsed time: 108.576746 msecs
Elapsed time: 100.992193 msecs
Elapsed time: 100.945511 msecs
On Apr 25, 10:32 pm, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote:
primitive hinted fns will get inlined. You can also play the same kinds
of
games that Clojure does with definterface+deftype and fns that declare
:inline metadata.
If you don't want to learn the subtleties of Clojure performance tuning
then you can always write your performance critical bits in Java and call
into it. Some folks, like the people at Prismatic, seem to be doing
pretty
well writing all their performance critical code in Clojure, but they've
built some tools to avoid the various potential pitfalls.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
Three repetitions is not nearly enough to get a feel for how hotspot optimizes functions when it detects they're in a tight loop. I don't know how javac works, but Clojure doesn't optimize much for cases where hotspot can do a much better job over time. -Phil -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
If that's a problem, you could try https://github.com/hugoduncan/criterium On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Phil Hagelberg p...@hagelb.org wrote: Three repetitions is not nearly enough to get a feel for how hotspot optimizes functions when it detects they're in a tight loop. I don't know how javac works, but Clojure doesn't optimize much for cases where hotspot can do a much better job over time. -Phil -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
You have to be very careful with microbenchmarks like this. I recommend
writing less trivial benchmarks. For example
http://github.com/clojure/test.benchmark/blob/master/src/main/clojure/alioth/spectral_norm.clj
This code demonstrates performance on par with plain Java. There are many
other similar examples in the test.benchark project.
David
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
Primitive hinted funtions seem to be not an exception.
(defn my-inc ^long [^long l] (inc l))
(defn f1 [^long l] (inc l))
(defn f2 [^long l] (my-inc l))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2 1)))
Elapsed time: 68.683431 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.964182 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.105047 msecs
Elapsed time: 108.576746 msecs
Elapsed time: 100.992193 msecs
Elapsed time: 100.945511 msecs
On Apr 25, 10:32 pm, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote:
primitive hinted fns will get inlined. You can also play the same kinds
of
games that Clojure does with definterface+deftype and fns that declare
:inline metadata.
If you don't want to learn the subtleties of Clojure performance tuning
then you can always write your performance critical bits in Java and call
into it. Some folks, like the people at Prismatic, seem to be doing
pretty
well writing all their performance critical code in Clojure, but they've
built some tools to avoid the various potential pitfalls.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
Found this blog post written by fogus:
To provide this level of flexibility Clojure establishes a level of
indirection. Specifically, all function lookups through a Var occur,
at the lowest level, through an atomic volatile. This happens every
time that a function bound using the def/defn special forms is called.
This indirection is not amenable to HotSpot optimizations.
http://blog.fogus.me/2011/10/14/why-clojure-doesnt-need-invokedynamic-but-it-might-be-nice/
On Apr 25, 10:19 pm, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
Which is out of date.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
Found this blog post written by fogus:
To provide this level of flexibility Clojure establishes a level of
indirection. Specifically, all function lookups through a Var occur,
at the lowest level, through an atomic volatile. This happens every
time that a function bound using the def/defn special forms is called.
This indirection is not amenable to HotSpot optimizations.
http://blog.fogus.me/2011/10/14/why-clojure-doesnt-need-invokedynamic-but-it-might-be-nice/
On Apr 25, 10:19 pm, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
Care to elaborate which part is out of date?
On Apr 26, 1:48 am, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Which is out of date.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
Found this blog post written by fogus:
To provide this level of flexibility Clojure establishes a level of
indirection. Specifically, all function lookups through a Var occur,
at the lowest level, through an atomic volatile. This happens every
time that a function bound using the def/defn special forms is called.
This indirection is not amenable to HotSpot optimizations.
http://blog.fogus.me/2011/10/14/why-clojure-doesnt-need-invokedynamic...
On Apr 25, 10:19 pm, Alice dofflt...@gmail.com wrote:
I create many small methods in java without worrying about the
performance since it's usually the target of inline optimization. For
example,
public class Foo {
public static long inc(long l) {
return ++l;
}
public static long f1() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l++;
}
return l;
}
public static long f2() {
long l = 0;
for (int i=0; i 10; i++) {
l = inc(l);
}
return l;
}
}
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f1))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
(time (Foo/f2))
Elapsed time: 23.309532 msecs
Elapsed time: 23.333039 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.714753 msecs
Elapsed time: 22.943366 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.612783 msecs
Elapsed time: 21.71376 msecs
But clojure funtions seem to be never get inlined.
(def obj (Object.))
(defn getObj [] obj)
(defn f1 [] obj)
(defn f2 [] (getObj))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f1)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
(time (dotimes [n 1] (f2)))
Elapsed time: 67.758744 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.555306 msecs
Elapsed time: 68.725147 msecs
Elapsed time: 104.810459 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.273618 msecs
Elapsed time: 103.374595 msecs
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Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
2013/4/25 David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com + :inline metadata Which is not documented anywhere and might as well not exist for regular Clojure users. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
(doc definline) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Michael Klishin michael.s.klis...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/4/25 David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com + :inline metadata Which is not documented anywhere and might as well not exist for regular Clojure users. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
2013/4/25 David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com (doc definline) Macro Experimental - like defmacro, except defines a named function whose body is the expansion, calls to which may be expanded inline as if it were a macro. Cannot be used with variadic () args. If you think this is useful to regular users (who have no idea about the compiler internals or JVM), you may want to reconsider. Also, if I don't know definline exists, how do I find out? Books, docs don't mention it. 1 page on clojure.org that you have to find doesn't count. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
user= (apropos inline) (definline) user= (doc inline) .. 2013/4/25 David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com (doc definline) Macro Experimental - like defmacro, except defines a named function whose body is the expansion, calls to which may be expanded inline as if it were a macro. Cannot be used with variadic () args. If you think this is useful to regular users (who have no idea about the compiler internals or JVM), you may want to reconsider. Also, if I don't know definline exists, how do I find out? Books, docs don't mention it. 1 page on clojure.org that you have to find doesn't count. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca user= (apropos inline) (definline) Yeah, yeah. It all starts with (apropos apropos), right? I knew it. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
You asked a simple question, you got a plain answer. Now if you are still grunting there's not much I can do about that. I do agree that the doc string could be a bit more descriptive. But what does it mean to be understandable by normal users ? I am still trying to size what is a normal Lisp user these days. No single answer seems to fit so far. When I first used Lisp, inlining meant writing pseudo assembly code right through your Lisp code most of the time using a macro. Procedural languages had most of the time extension directives to allow you to force inlining at your will. Inlining is a concept that existed for more than 40 years in many programming languages. It's not anything new. Now if you want to use it but do not understand the implications, well it's not the doc string that will explain it to you. To me, definline looks simpler than any of the above. Luc 2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca user= (apropos inline) (definline) Yeah, yeah. It all starts with (apropos apropos), right? I knew it. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Inlining is a concept that existed for more than 40 years in many programming languages. It's not anything new. The OP probably know what inlining is because, hm, the subject has that word. Then she is recommended to use something that only technically has documentation (and is marked as experimental) and is not known or used by many. I've pointed that out. Problem? -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
You could come up with definline yourself by thinking about what inlining is and wrapping things in macros, it seems to me the real problem definline solves is to also be able to use the output as a function, which is more about keeping convenience than performance gains. I think the people who want to know about this stuff will find it, it took me a couple hours myself when I worked through this thought process a year or so ago. /lurk On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.cawrote: You asked a simple question, you got a plain answer. Now if you are still grunting there's not much I can do about that. I do agree that the doc string could be a bit more descriptive. But what does it mean to be understandable by normal users ? I am still trying to size what is a normal Lisp user these days. No single answer seems to fit so far. When I first used Lisp, inlining meant writing pseudo assembly code right through your Lisp code most of the time using a macro. Procedural languages had most of the time extension directives to allow you to force inlining at your will. Inlining is a concept that existed for more than 40 years in many programming languages. It's not anything new. Now if you want to use it but do not understand the implications, well it's not the doc string that will explain it to you. To me, definline looks simpler than any of the above. Luc 2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca user= (apropos inline) (definline) Yeah, yeah. It all starts with (apropos apropos), right? I knew it. -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
Well you looked quite outraged that it could not be found easily. I demonstrated that doc strings can be easily searched. Of course my answer comes in total antagonism with your usual position about the bad state of the existing documentation which is incomplete, wrong, ... and so forth. Your reaction does not suprise me, your behavior is quite predictable. Like an old vinyl record with all these scratches being played over and over again. Definline may be tagged as experimental but defrecord, defprotocol, ... are marked as being in alpha stage. Does this prevents you from using them ? I hope so, especially in production. Luc P. 2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Inlining is a concept that existed for more than 40 years in many programming languages. It's not anything new. The OP probably know what inlining is because, hm, the subject has that word. Then she is recommended to use something that only technically has documentation (and is marked as experimental) and is not known or used by many. I've pointed that out. Problem? -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Of course my answer comes in total antagonism with your usual position about the bad state of the existing documentation which is incomplete, wrong, ... and so forth. Your reaction does not suprise me, your behavior is quite predictable. Like an old vinyl record with all these scratches being played over and over again. Nothing has changed w.r.t. Clojure/core's attitude towards documentation and making it easy for other people to contribute documentation improvements that are rapidly integrated instead of gathering dust in JIRA for many months. Why would I suddenly start singing praises to something that is broken and does not change? Sorry pal, someone has to periodically remind those in control of Clojure that we are exactly where we were years ago. And that the entire community has to put up with this. Definline may be tagged as experimental but defrecord, defprotocol, ... are marked as being in alpha stage. Does this prevents you from using them ? Those are mentioned in every book and are widely used. It would be crazy to break those by now. Makes a bit of difference when it comes to recommending features to people, don't you think? -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
May I suggest you an upgrade ? http://www.ehow.com/how_6949396_record-78-vinyl-records-cd.html 2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Of course my answer comes in total antagonism with your usual position about the bad state of the existing documentation which is incomplete, wrong, ... and so forth. Your reaction does not suprise me, your behavior is quite predictable. Like an old vinyl record with all these scratches being played over and over again. Nothing has changed w.r.t. Clojure/core's attitude towards documentation and making it easy for other people to contribute documentation improvements that are rapidly integrated instead of gathering dust in JIRA for many months. Why would I suddenly start singing praises to something that is broken and does not change? Sorry pal, someone has to periodically remind those in control of Clojure that we are exactly where we were years ago. And that the entire community has to put up with this. Definline may be tagged as experimental but defrecord, defprotocol, ... are marked as being in alpha stage. Does this prevents you from using them ? Those are mentioned in every book and are widely used. It would be crazy to break those by now. Makes a bit of difference when it comes to recommending features to people, don't you think? -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
Good vinyls are considered higher quality by audiophiles, because there are less stages in between the mastering and amplification. There is more potential of better performance. It can be considered a real-world case of inlining. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.cawrote: May I suggest you an upgrade ? http://www.ehow.com/how_6949396_record-78-vinyl-records-cd.html 2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Of course my answer comes in total antagonism with your usual position about the bad state of the existing documentation which is incomplete, wrong, ... and so forth. Your reaction does not suprise me, your behavior is quite predictable. Like an old vinyl record with all these scratches being played over and over again. Nothing has changed w.r.t. Clojure/core's attitude towards documentation and making it easy for other people to contribute documentation improvements that are rapidly integrated instead of gathering dust in JIRA for many months. Why would I suddenly start singing praises to something that is broken and does not change? Sorry pal, someone has to periodically remind those in control of Clojure that we are exactly where we were years ago. And that the entire community has to put up with this. Definline may be tagged as experimental but defrecord, defprotocol, ... are marked as being in alpha stage. Does this prevents you from using them ? Those are mentioned in every book and are widely used. It would be crazy to break those by now. Makes a bit of difference when it comes to recommending features to people, don't you think? -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca May I suggest you an upgrade ? http://www.ehow.com/how_6949396_record-78-vinyl-records-cd.html Ah, a batch of fresh preaching from Mr. Defend Clojure/core At All Costs. Best Canadian export since Wayne Gretzky! -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
There seems to be some rule that given sufficient time and enough participants, all threads deteriorate into an argument about the current state of clojure documentation and a huge post from Tim Daly regarding literate programming in 3...2...1... On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Gary Trakhman gary.trakh...@gmail.comwrote: Good vinyls are considered higher quality by audiophiles, because there are less stages in between the mastering and amplification. There is more potential of better performance. It can be considered a real-world case of inlining. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.cawrote: May I suggest you an upgrade ? http://www.ehow.com/how_6949396_record-78-vinyl-records-cd.html 2013/4/25 Softaddicts lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca Of course my answer comes in total antagonism with your usual position about the bad state of the existing documentation which is incomplete, wrong, ... and so forth. Your reaction does not suprise me, your behavior is quite predictable. Like an old vinyl record with all these scratches being played over and over again. Nothing has changed w.r.t. Clojure/core's attitude towards documentation and making it easy for other people to contribute documentation improvements that are rapidly integrated instead of gathering dust in JIRA for many months. Why would I suddenly start singing praises to something that is broken and does not change? Sorry pal, someone has to periodically remind those in control of Clojure that we are exactly where we were years ago. And that the entire community has to put up with this. Definline may be tagged as experimental but defrecord, defprotocol, ... are marked as being in alpha stage. Does this prevents you from using them ? Those are mentioned in every book and are widely used. It would be crazy to break those by now. Makes a bit of difference when it comes to recommending features to people, don't you think? -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Softaddictslprefonta...@softaddicts.ca sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Do functions never get inlined by jvm?
...0? :-) Tim Daly -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
