Re: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-30 Thread Alan Moore
Nathan,

I wasn’t concerned with Github per se but the CI server compiling/running
arbitrary code should some library’s repo get pwnd in some way or that a
rogue library could make it into the list of repos to build in the proposed
system. A hand curated list of repos would mitigate this last concern.

I suppose CircleCI/Travis have this figured out (sandboxes?) given that
they already run arbitrary code via tests. I’ve not used any of the
cloud-based CI services, just in-house installations that are tightly
controlled.

Never mind... I think I’ve left my paranoia dial set to 11 after reading
about remote Spectre attacks.

Alan

On Jul 30, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Nathan Fisher  wrote:

If it’s run on CircleCI or Travis and has readonly access to github, I
wouldn’t be too concerned.

The most frequent downloads API in Clojars is a good idea. Could use it as
a basis for the hand rolled site for now and target it for automation in
the future. I’m wondering how amenable/suitable it would be for the data to
live in Clojars.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 02:17, Alan Moore 
wrote:

> Has anyone looked for vulnerabilities exposed by pulling random libraries
> from github.com (or gitlab.com?) and building them? Macros come mind
> (mined?!) Solved problem? AFAIK the Rust compiler can't run arbitrary code.
>
> Also instead of choosing "top-N projects on Github" I would begin with
> the "most used projects on clojars" (# downloads in the last 12 months?) as
> that might be a better metric/signal for prioritizing which libraries to
> include. #RememberLeftPad
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. I'm just trying to think through the
> possible hazards.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 4:11:27 PM UTC-7, Nathan Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Reading up the recent blog post “What is Rust 2018” and happened upon
>> this;
>>
>> “We put in a lot of work to make upgrades painless; for example, we run a
>> tool (called “crater”) before each Rust release that downloads every
>> package on crates.io and attempts to build their code and run their
>> tests.” - https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/07/27/what-is-rust-2018.html
>>
>> Seems an interesting idea and with Travis and other CI services providing
>> free builds for OSS it doesn’t need to put a heavy financial/operational
>> burden on a single entity. The main benefit for this is for people could
>> get a quick centralised overview of compatibility of various projects and
>> impending releases of Clojure.
>>
>> The main idea would be to have a grid view of the latest Clojure projects
>> and their status against HEAD of Clojure (are snapshots pushed to a maven
>> repo automatically as a result of a commit build?). Travis allows periodic
>> builds so that could be used to trigger verification even when changes
>> haven’t occurred.
>>
>> In terms of initial focus targeting the top-N projects on Github makes
>> the most sense to me. The bit I’m still thinking through is providing some
>> form of dashboard/aggregation without requiring a large investment in
>> changes, infrastructure, etc. Might fit in nicely with something like
>> clojars? Was thinking initially having a Github page with a table of
>> projects and their build badges and talking to maintainers about
>> configuring periodic builds with the latest Clojure snapshot.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
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Re: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-30 Thread Nathan Fisher
If it’s run on CircleCI or Travis and has readonly access to github, I
wouldn’t be too concerned.

The most frequent downloads API in Clojars is a good idea. Could use it as
a basis for the hand rolled site for now and target it for automation in
the future. I’m wondering how amenable/suitable it would be for the data to
live in Clojars.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 02:17, Alan Moore 
wrote:

> Has anyone looked for vulnerabilities exposed by pulling random libraries
> from github.com (or gitlab.com?) and building them? Macros come mind
> (mined?!) Solved problem? AFAIK the Rust compiler can't run arbitrary code.
>
> Also instead of choosing "top-N projects on Github" I would begin with
> the "most used projects on clojars" (# downloads in the last 12 months?) as
> that might be a better metric/signal for prioritizing which libraries to
> include. #RememberLeftPad
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. I'm just trying to think through the
> possible hazards.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 4:11:27 PM UTC-7, Nathan Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Reading up the recent blog post “What is Rust 2018” and happened upon
>> this;
>>
>> “We put in a lot of work to make upgrades painless; for example, we run a
>> tool (called “crater”) before each Rust release that downloads every
>> package on crates.io and attempts to build their code and run their
>> tests.” - https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/07/27/what-is-rust-2018.html
>>
>> Seems an interesting idea and with Travis and other CI services providing
>> free builds for OSS it doesn’t need to put a heavy financial/operational
>> burden on a single entity. The main benefit for this is for people could
>> get a quick centralised overview of compatibility of various projects and
>> impending releases of Clojure.
>>
>> The main idea would be to have a grid view of the latest Clojure projects
>> and their status against HEAD of Clojure (are snapshots pushed to a maven
>> repo automatically as a result of a commit build?). Travis allows periodic
>> builds so that could be used to trigger verification even when changes
>> haven’t occurred.
>>
>> In terms of initial focus targeting the top-N projects on Github makes
>> the most sense to me. The bit I’m still thinking through is providing some
>> form of dashboard/aggregation without requiring a large investment in
>> changes, infrastructure, etc. Might fit in nicely with something like
>> clojars? Was thinking initially having a Github page with a table of
>> projects and their build badges and talking to maintainers about
>> configuring periodic builds with the latest Clojure snapshot.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
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>> - sent from my mobile
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Re: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-29 Thread Alan Moore
Has anyone looked for vulnerabilities exposed by pulling random libraries 
from github.com (or gitlab.com?) and building them? Macros come mind 
(mined?!) Solved problem? AFAIK the Rust compiler can't run arbitrary code.

Also instead of choosing "top-N projects on Github" I would begin with the 
"most used projects on clojars" (# downloads in the last 12 months?) as 
that might be a better metric/signal for prioritizing which libraries to 
include. #RememberLeftPad

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. I'm just trying to think through the 
possible hazards.

Alan

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 4:11:27 PM UTC-7, Nathan Fisher wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Reading up the recent blog post “What is Rust 2018” and happened upon this;
>
> “We put in a lot of work to make upgrades painless; for example, we run a 
> tool (called “crater”) before each Rust release that downloads every 
> package on crates.io and attempts to build their code and run their 
> tests.” - https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/07/27/what-is-rust-2018.html
>
> Seems an interesting idea and with Travis and other CI services providing 
> free builds for OSS it doesn’t need to put a heavy financial/operational 
> burden on a single entity. The main benefit for this is for people could 
> get a quick centralised overview of compatibility of various projects and 
> impending releases of Clojure.
>
> The main idea would be to have a grid view of the latest Clojure projects 
> and their status against HEAD of Clojure (are snapshots pushed to a maven 
> repo automatically as a result of a commit build?). Travis allows periodic 
> builds so that could be used to trigger verification even when changes 
> haven’t occurred.
>
> In terms of initial focus targeting the top-N projects on Github makes the 
> most sense to me. The bit I’m still thinking through is providing some form 
> of dashboard/aggregation without requiring a large investment in changes, 
> infrastructure, etc. Might fit in nicely with something like clojars? Was 
> thinking initially having a Github page with a table of projects and their 
> build badges and talking to maintainers about configuring periodic builds 
> with the latest Clojure snapshot.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
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Re: Improving Library Status Visibility - was Re: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-29 Thread Nathan Fisher
Hi Alex,

I don't think it would be necessary to scrape the Jenkins server too often.
I speculate daily would be enough, hourly at most.

Cheers,
Nathan

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 at 03:42 Alex Miller  wrote:

> On contribs, I just added the emeddable build status plugin - that’s easy.
> Migrating to Travis or Circle is not really a viable option based on my
> last research on this. I’d be a little worried about adding a lot of
> traffic that parsed the feeds. The box running Jenkins is already
> underpowered and Is hate to add load just for that.
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Improving Library Status Visibility - was Re: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-29 Thread Alex Miller
On contribs, I just added the emeddable build status plugin - that’s easy. 
Migrating to Travis or Circle is not really a viable option based on my last 
research on this. I’d be a little worried about adding a lot of traffic that 
parsed the feeds. The box running Jenkins is already underpowered and Is hate 
to add load just for that.

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Improving Library Status Visibility - was Re: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-28 Thread Nathan Fisher
There's basically 3 ways I could see addressing the Jenkins builds;

1. Install the Jenkins badge plugin (
https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/Embeddable+Build+Status+Plugin).
2. Migrate them to a SaaS provider like Travis or Circle.
3. Write a mapper that consumes the CC tray feed and outputs badges (
https://build.clojure.org/cc.xml?recursive).

Given the limited bandwidth of the Cognitect folks 3 seems the most likely
immediate solution. SaaS CI services provide CC Tray feeds (
https://api.travis-ci.org/repos/boot-clj/boot/cc.xml?branch=master) so
using them as an aggregation method could be useful for 10s to 100s of
projects. It lacks the commit revision but does have time and status which
would be an incremental improvement over reams of pages with red and green
badges. The SaaS providers provide aggregates up to the org level so I
would want to use that for some of the more prolific Clojure community
authors. That being said I don't see cc tray feeds as a scalable solution
for all known libraries;

a) it's dependent on author discipline in keeping a given branch green.
b) it'll be a lot of potential requests to the SaaS providers and I'd like
to be a good netizen.
c) it's not a great way to isolate if a build broke due to a change in a
Clojure SNAPSHOT.
d) it requires community authors to "buy-in" to creating a periodic build
against SNAPSHOT.

Another approach I'm considering is using the org I created to host "sample
projects" that can be community owned with periodic builds that exercise an
"app" with common libraries and plugins against the latest Clojure SNAPSHOT
builds. Something similar to how TechEmpower Web Framework Benchmarks has a
number of authors submit a subproject to the repo (
https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks). I plan to be fairly
liberal in delegating admin access to the org to minimise bottlenecks and
hopefully through that we could get good coverage that doesn't put too much
demand on any one person.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 21:44 Sean Corfield  wrote:

> Have you had any thoughts about incorporating Clojure Contrib projects?
> They all have JVM/Clojure version grids as part of their Jenkins CI builds
> but there isn’t a badge you could link to (although you could link to the
> CI matrix page for each of them). They’re all tested against 1.9 / 1.10 and
> several are tested against earlier versions too. E.g.,
>
>
>
> https://build.clojure.org/job/core.cache-test-matrix/
>
> https://build.clojure.org/job/data.priority-map-test-matrix/
>
> https://build.clojure.org/job/java.jdbc-test-matrix/
>
>
>
> Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
>
> *From:* clojure@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Nathan Fisher 
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 28, 2018 4:11:13 PM
> *To:* clojure@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Rusts Upgrades
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> It would be great if there was a general report that we could integrate
> with Lein, Boot and anything else people happen to be using.
>
> I think for an MVP having folks update the status of their project
> manually as it is verified might not be a bad first step.
>
> To that end I've created a Github page site here;
>
> - https://clojurestatus.github.io/dashboard/
> - https://github.com/ClojureStatus/dashboard
>
> I know it won't scale well to all the projects out there but if we can get
> some of the major ones I think it could be useful. It'll probably need some
> thought about how to improve the aggregate view, date of last build, etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 19:50 Sean Corfield  wrote:
>
>> I suspect quite a few Travis-enabled Clojure projects do full
>> multi-version testing – but it’s hard to tell at a glance from Travis’s
>> logs. For example, both HoneySQL and clj-time perform multi-version testing
>> on Travis, but they do it through Leiningen aliases so there’s only one
>> “build” – no grid of Clojure versions. I’d be interested in hearing of
>> techniques to surface a grid of Clojure versions being tested on Travis.
>>
>>
>>
>> Note that clj-time is tested against a grid of JVM versions and that does
>> surface on Travis – and I’ve just noticed that testing against Clojure
>> master on OpenJDK 7 fails, presumably because Clojure master now requires
>> Java 8? (but the Oracle JDK 7 build on Travis doesn’t fail).
>>
>>
>>
>> Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
>> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>>
>> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
>> -- Margaret Atwood
>>
>>
>>

RE: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-28 Thread Sean Corfield
Have you had any thoughts about incorporating Clojure Contrib projects? They 
all have JVM/Clojure version grids as part of their Jenkins CI builds but there 
isn’t a badge you could link to (although you could link to the CI matrix page 
for each of them). They’re all tested against 1.9 / 1.10 and several are tested 
against earlier versions too. E.g.,

https://build.clojure.org/job/core.cache-test-matrix/
https://build.clojure.org/job/data.priority-map-test-matrix/
https://build.clojure.org/job/java.jdbc-test-matrix/

Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood


From: clojure@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Nathan 
Fisher 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 4:11:13 PM
To: clojure@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rusts Upgrades

Hi Sean,

It would be great if there was a general report that we could integrate with 
Lein, Boot and anything else people happen to be using.

I think for an MVP having folks update the status of their project manually as 
it is verified might not be a bad first step.

To that end I've created a Github page site here;

- https://clojurestatus.github.io/dashboard/
- https://github.com/ClojureStatus/dashboard

I know it won't scale well to all the projects out there but if we can get some 
of the major ones I think it could be useful. It'll probably need some thought 
about how to improve the aggregate view, date of last build, etc.

Cheers,
Nathan

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 19:50 Sean Corfield 
mailto:s...@corfield.org>> wrote:
I suspect quite a few Travis-enabled Clojure projects do full multi-version 
testing – but it’s hard to tell at a glance from Travis’s logs. For example, 
both HoneySQL and clj-time perform multi-version testing on Travis, but they do 
it through Leiningen aliases so there’s only one “build” – no grid of Clojure 
versions. I’d be interested in hearing of techniques to surface a grid of 
Clojure versions being tested on Travis.

Note that clj-time is tested against a grid of JVM versions and that does 
surface on Travis – and I’ve just noticed that testing against Clojure master 
on OpenJDK 7 fails, presumably because Clojure master now requires Java 8? (but 
the Oracle JDK 7 build on Travis doesn’t fail).

Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood


From: clojure@googlegroups.com<mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Nathan 
Fisher mailto:nfis...@junctionbox.ca>>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 4:11:05 PM
To: clojure@googlegroups.com<mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Rusts Upgrades

Hi Folks,

Reading up the recent blog post “What is Rust 2018” and happened upon this;

“We put in a lot of work to make upgrades painless; for example, we run a tool 
(called “crater”) before each Rust release that downloads every package on 
crates.io<http://crates.io> and attempts to build their code and run their 
tests.” - https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/07/27/what-is-rust-2018.html

Seems an interesting idea and with Travis and other CI services providing free 
builds for OSS it doesn’t need to put a heavy financial/operational burden on a 
single entity. The main benefit for this is for people could get a quick 
centralised overview of compatibility of various projects and impending 
releases of Clojure.

The main idea would be to have a grid view of the latest Clojure projects and 
their status against HEAD of Clojure (are snapshots pushed to a maven repo 
automatically as a result of a commit build?). Travis allows periodic builds so 
that could be used to trigger verification even when changes haven’t occurred.

In terms of initial focus targeting the top-N projects on Github makes the most 
sense to me. The bit I’m still thinking through is providing some form of 
dashboard/aggregation without requiring a large investment in changes, 
infrastructure, etc. Might fit in nicely with something like clojars? Was 
thinking initially having a Github page with a table of projects and their 
build badges and talking to maintainers about configuring periodic builds with 
the latest Clojure snapshot.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Nathan
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Re: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-28 Thread Nathan Fisher
Hi Sean,

It would be great if there was a general report that we could integrate
with Lein, Boot and anything else people happen to be using.

I think for an MVP having folks update the status of their project manually
as it is verified might not be a bad first step.

To that end I've created a Github page site here;

- https://clojurestatus.github.io/dashboard/
- https://github.com/ClojureStatus/dashboard

I know it won't scale well to all the projects out there but if we can get
some of the major ones I think it could be useful. It'll probably need some
thought about how to improve the aggregate view, date of last build, etc.

Cheers,
Nathan

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 19:50 Sean Corfield  wrote:

> I suspect quite a few Travis-enabled Clojure projects do full
> multi-version testing – but it’s hard to tell at a glance from Travis’s
> logs. For example, both HoneySQL and clj-time perform multi-version testing
> on Travis, but they do it through Leiningen aliases so there’s only one
> “build” – no grid of Clojure versions. I’d be interested in hearing of
> techniques to surface a grid of Clojure versions being tested on Travis.
>
>
>
> Note that clj-time is tested against a grid of JVM versions and that does
> surface on Travis – and I’ve just noticed that testing against Clojure
> master on OpenJDK 7 fails, presumably because Clojure master now requires
> Java 8? (but the Oracle JDK 7 build on Travis doesn’t fail).
>
>
>
> Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
>
>
> --
> *From:* clojure@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Nathan Fisher 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 27, 2018 4:11:05 PM
> *To:* clojure@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Rusts Upgrades
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Reading up the recent blog post “What is Rust 2018” and happened upon this;
>
> “We put in a lot of work to make upgrades painless; for example, we run a
> tool (called “crater”) before each Rust release that downloads every
> package on crates.io and attempts to build their code and run their
> tests.” - https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/07/27/what-is-rust-2018.html
>
> Seems an interesting idea and with Travis and other CI services providing
> free builds for OSS it doesn’t need to put a heavy financial/operational
> burden on a single entity. The main benefit for this is for people could
> get a quick centralised overview of compatibility of various projects and
> impending releases of Clojure.
>
> The main idea would be to have a grid view of the latest Clojure projects
> and their status against HEAD of Clojure (are snapshots pushed to a maven
> repo automatically as a result of a commit build?). Travis allows periodic
> builds so that could be used to trigger verification even when changes
> haven’t occurred.
>
> In terms of initial focus targeting the top-N projects on Github makes the
> most sense to me. The bit I’m still thinking through is providing some form
> of dashboard/aggregation without requiring a large investment in changes,
> infrastructure, etc. Might fit in nicely with something like clojars? Was
> thinking initially having a Github page with a table of projects and their
> build badges and talking to maintainers about configuring periodic builds
> with the latest Clojure snapshot.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
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RE: Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-28 Thread Sean Corfield
I suspect quite a few Travis-enabled Clojure projects do full multi-version 
testing – but it’s hard to tell at a glance from Travis’s logs. For example, 
both HoneySQL and clj-time perform multi-version testing on Travis, but they do 
it through Leiningen aliases so there’s only one “build” – no grid of Clojure 
versions. I’d be interested in hearing of techniques to surface a grid of 
Clojure versions being tested on Travis.

Note that clj-time is tested against a grid of JVM versions and that does 
surface on Travis – and I’ve just noticed that testing against Clojure master 
on OpenJDK 7 fails, presumably because Clojure master now requires Java 8? (but 
the Oracle JDK 7 build on Travis doesn’t fail).

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Subject: Rusts Upgrades

Hi Folks,

Reading up the recent blog post “What is Rust 2018” and happened upon this;

“We put in a lot of work to make upgrades painless; for example, we run a tool 
(called “crater”) before each Rust release that downloads every package on 
crates.io<http://crates.io> and attempts to build their code and run their 
tests.” - https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/07/27/what-is-rust-2018.html

Seems an interesting idea and with Travis and other CI services providing free 
builds for OSS it doesn’t need to put a heavy financial/operational burden on a 
single entity. The main benefit for this is for people could get a quick 
centralised overview of compatibility of various projects and impending 
releases of Clojure.

The main idea would be to have a grid view of the latest Clojure projects and 
their status against HEAD of Clojure (are snapshots pushed to a maven repo 
automatically as a result of a commit build?). Travis allows periodic builds so 
that could be used to trigger verification even when changes haven’t occurred.

In terms of initial focus targeting the top-N projects on Github makes the most 
sense to me. The bit I’m still thinking through is providing some form of 
dashboard/aggregation without requiring a large investment in changes, 
infrastructure, etc. Might fit in nicely with something like clojars? Was 
thinking initially having a Github page with a table of projects and their 
build badges and talking to maintainers about configuring periodic builds with 
the latest Clojure snapshot.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Nathan
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Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-27 Thread Alex Miller
Sounds great! mfikes canary build for ClojureScript is similar. I do more 
targeted versions of this manually for certain kinds of changes. I don’t 
personally have time right now to build this but would love to have it.

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Rusts Upgrades

2018-07-27 Thread Nathan Fisher
Hi Folks,

Reading up the recent blog post “What is Rust 2018” and happened upon this;

“We put in a lot of work to make upgrades painless; for example, we run a
tool (called “crater”) before each Rust release that downloads every
package on crates.io and attempts to build their code and run their tests.”
 - https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/07/27/what-is-rust-2018.html

Seems an interesting idea and with Travis and other CI services providing
free builds for OSS it doesn’t need to put a heavy financial/operational
burden on a single entity. The main benefit for this is for people could
get a quick centralised overview of compatibility of various projects and
impending releases of Clojure.

The main idea would be to have a grid view of the latest Clojure projects
and their status against HEAD of Clojure (are snapshots pushed to a maven
repo automatically as a result of a commit build?). Travis allows periodic
builds so that could be used to trigger verification even when changes
haven’t occurred.

In terms of initial focus targeting the top-N projects on Github makes the
most sense to me. The bit I’m still thinking through is providing some form
of dashboard/aggregation without requiring a large investment in changes,
infrastructure, etc. Might fit in nicely with something like clojars? Was
thinking initially having a Github page with a table of projects and their
build badges and talking to maintainers about configuring periodic builds
with the latest Clojure snapshot.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Nathan
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