Re: [Cluster-devel] [Linux-HA] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing. Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each other. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? Regards, Lars -- Architect Storage/HA SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. -- Oscar Wilde
Re: [Cluster-devel] [Pacemaker] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
I would be interested in the user conference rather then the dev one, so the 1st day of the 3 days option mentioned by Fabio. I will stay tuned! 2014-11-24 16:16 GMT+01:00 Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com: On 11/24/2014 4:12 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-11-24T15:54:33, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: dates and location were chosen to piggy-back with devconf.cz and allow people to travel for more than just HA Summit. Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Fabio ___ Pacemaker mailing list: pacema...@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org -- Vincenzo Pii Researcher, InIT Cloud Computing Lab Zurich University of Applied Sciences (ZHAW) blog.zhaw.ch/icclab
Re: [Cluster-devel] [Linux-HA] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 25 Nov 2014, at 8:54 pm, Lars Marowsky-Bree l...@suse.com wrote: On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing. Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each other. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer. Other design-y topics: - SBD - degraded mode - improved notifications - containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt) - resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing) User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong.
Re: [Cluster-devel] [Pacemaker] [Linux-HA] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
- Original Message - On 25 Nov 2014, at 8:54 pm, Lars Marowsky-Bree l...@suse.com wrote: On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing. Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each other. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer. If we're going to talk about scaling, we should throw in our new docker support in the same discussion. Docker lends itself well to the pet vs cattle analogy. I see management of docker with pacemaker making quite a bit of sense now that we have the ability to scale into the cattle territory. Other design-y topics: - SBD - degraded mode - improved notifications - containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt) - resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing) Yep, We definitely need to talk about the resource-agents. User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong. Adding to the list, it would be a good idea to talk about Deployment integration testing, what's going on with the phd project and why it's important regardless if you're interested in what the project functionally does. -- Vossel ___ Pacemaker mailing list: pacema...@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org
Re: [Cluster-devel] [ha-wg-technical] [Linux-HA] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 25/11/14 04:31 PM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer. Other design-y topics: - SBD - degraded mode - improved notifications This my be something my company can bring to the table. We just hired a dev whose principle goal is to develop and alert system for HA. We're modelling it heavily on the fence/resource agent model with a scan core and scan agents. It's sort of like existing tools, but designed specifically for HA clusters and heavily focused on not interfering with the host more than at all necessary. By Feb., it should be mostly done. We're doing this for our own needs, but it might be a framework worth talking about, if nothing else to see if others consider it a fit. Of course, it will be entirely open source. *If* there is interest, I could put together a(n informal) talk on it with a demo. - containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt) - resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing) User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?
Re: [Cluster-devel] [ha-wg-technical] [Linux-HA] [ha-wg] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 26 Nov 2014, at 10:06 am, Digimer li...@alteeve.ca wrote: On 25/11/14 04:31 PM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? Personally I'm interested in talking about scaling - with pacemaker-remoted and/or a new messaging/membership layer. Other design-y topics: - SBD - degraded mode - improved notifications This my be something my company can bring to the table. We just hired a dev whose principle goal is to develop and alert system for HA. We're modelling it heavily on the fence/resource agent model with a scan core and scan agents. It's sort of like existing tools, but designed specifically for HA clusters and heavily focused on not interfering with the host more than at all necessary. By Feb., it should be mostly done. We're doing this for our own needs, but it might be a framework worth talking about, if nothing else to see if others consider it a fit. Of course, it will be entirely open source. *If* there is interest, I could put together a(n informal) talk on it with a demo. Definitely interesting - containerisation of services (cgroups, docker, virt) - resource-agents (upstream releases, handling of pull requests, testing) User-facing topics could include recent features (ie. pacemaker-remoted, crm_resource --restart) and common deployment scenarios (eg. NFS) that people get wrong. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?
Re: [Cluster-devel] [ha-wg] [Linux-HA] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 11/25/2014 10:54 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing. Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each other. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do just fine. As for the topics: - corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?, others?) - corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement - fence autodetection/autoconfiguration For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and I only got 1 user confirmation so far): - demos, cluster 101, tutorials - get feedback - get feedback - get more feedback Fabio
Re: [Cluster-devel] [ha-wg] [Linux-HA] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 26/11/14 12:51 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote: On 11/25/2014 10:54 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing. Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each other. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do just fine. As for the topics: - corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?, others?) - corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement - fence autodetection/autoconfiguration For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and I only got 1 user confirmation so far): - demos, cluster 101, tutorials - get feedback - get feedback - get more feedback Fabio I'd be happy to do a cluster 101 or similar, if there is interest. Not sure if that would be particularly appealing to anyone coming to our meeting, as I think anyone interested is probably well past 101. :) Anyway, you guys know my background, let me know if there is a topic you'd like me to cover for the user side of things. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?
Re: [Cluster-devel] [ha-wg-technical] [ha-wg] [Linux-HA] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 26/11/14 12:51 AM, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote: On 11/25/2014 10:54 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing. Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each other. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do just fine. As for the topics: - corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?, others?) - corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement - fence autodetection/autoconfiguration For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and I only got 1 user confirmation so far): - demos, cluster 101, tutorials - get feedback - get feedback - get more feedback Fabio Ok, I do have a topic I want to add; Merging the dozen different mailing lists, IRC channels and other support forums. This thread is a good example of the thinness that the community is spread over. A 'dev', 'user', 'announce' list should be enough for all HA. Likewise, one IRC channel should be enough, too. The trick will be discussing this without bikeshedding. :) digimer -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education?
Re: [Cluster-devel] [ha-wg-technical] [ha-wg] [Linux-HA] [RFC] Organizing HA Summit 2015
On 26 Nov 2014, at 4:51 pm, Fabio M. Di Nitto fabbi...@fabbione.net wrote: On 11/25/2014 10:54 AM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: On 2014-11-24T16:16:05, Fabio M. Di Nitto fdini...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, well, devconf.cz is not such an interesting event for those who do not wear the fedora ;-) That would be the perfect opportunity for you to convert users to Suse ;) I´d prefer, at least for this round, to keep dates/location and explore the option to allow people to join remotely. Afterall there are tons of tools between google hangouts and others that would allow that. That is, in my experience, the absolute worst. It creates second class participants and is a PITA for everyone. I agree, it is still a way for people to join in tho. I personally disagree. In my experience, one either does a face-to-face meeting, or a virtual one that puts everyone on the same footing. Mixing both works really badly unless the team already knows each other. I know that an in-person meeting is useful, but we have a large team in Beijing, the US, Tasmania (OK, one crazy guy), various countries in Europe etc. Yes same here. No difference.. we have one crazy guy in Australia.. Yeah, but you're already bringing him for your personal conference. That's a bit different. ;-) OK, let's switch tracks a bit. What *topics* do we actually have? Can we fill two days? Where would we want to collect them? I´d say either a google doc or any random etherpad/wiki instance will do just fine. -ENOGOOGLE As for the topics: - corosync qdevice and plugins (network, disk, integration with sdb?, others?) - corosync RRP / libknet integration/replacement - fence autodetection/autoconfiguration For the user facing topics (that is if there are enough participants and I only got 1 user confirmation so far): - demos, cluster 101, tutorials - get feedback - get feedback - get more feedback Fabio ___ ha-wg-technical mailing list ha-wg-techni...@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ha-wg-technical
