Re: Stus-List Enterprise Crew -- Charity Event
Is this sailing or CC-related? I'm sure it's a great cause, but we can't start using this forum for fundraising. Cheers Colin On 3/4/13, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: All, One of my crew is raising funds to go towards children's cancer research. Please see: http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/2013/03/captains-log-stardate-11317_4.html If you can find it within your hearts (and your pockets) to help out, it would be greatly appreciated. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Hatch for sale - now big winches
Rick,The shifter is on the base of the winch so the Winchmate would not interfere. And I agree...lots cheaper than a new winch!!Harry Hallgring MIRAGEOn Mar 02, 2013, at 09:44 AM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote:Yup, I am adding the Winchmate conversion kits with spring jaws to my Barient 32s. At $650 a kit it isn’t cheap, but it is a lot less than a pair of Harken 56s or Lewmar 58s.Practical Sailor wrote a very favorable article on the conversion kits, and their tester was Ralph Narano who had them installed on his personal boat. So I’m pretty confident they will work out for me.There is one boat locally that has them installed on a pair of Barient 28s. The owners like them, but they are relatively new sailors so they may not have a real standard for comparison to purpose built self-tailing winches.How is the 3rd speed activated on your 32-3s? The jaws and line stripper in the kit cover the entire top of the winch drum. Will this interfere with the 3rd speed?Rick BrassWashington, NCFrom: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry HallgringSent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 8:41 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Hatch for sale - now big winchesRick,I have been looking at Winchmates for my Barient 32 - 3 speed primaries. Is that your intention?Harry___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Edd: If your windows have frames and are fastened with screws and/or nuts bolts, butyl tape would work just fine. I have no experience with the 3M tape. If your windows are like mine and sit flush with the cabin top with a curve, I don't think butyl tape won't hold them in place. I replaced my windows are a few years back and used Sika 295 UV with the primer..no problems to date, happy with the Sika product. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/03/06 10:47 AM, Edd Schillay wrote: All, Has anyone tried using Butyl Tape or that high-strength 3M tape to fasten their windows (without drilling holes for screws)? I just spoke with a 3M rep, who says their 5952 tape would do the job very well. (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/%7E/All-3M-Products/Industry-and-Professionals/Industrial-Adhesives-Tapes/Double-Sided-Bonding-Tapes/3M-VHB-Tape?Ntt=5952rt=sx=0y=0) I'm worried about the curve, cracking and leaks, of course. Yeah yeah, I know. Another CC Windows topic. Sue me. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
I used the 3M double sided tape and Sika 295 on Mirage with excellent results. Be sure to scuff and prime both surfaces...you'll never get it off! The tape acts as a clamp and spacer to ensure a consistent sealant thickness. pictures to follow... Harry Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: All, Has anyone tried using Butyl Tape or that high-strength 3M tape to fasten their windows (without drilling holes for screws)? I just spoke with a 3M rep, who says their 5952 tape would do the job very well. (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/%7E/All-3M-Products/Industry-and-Professionals/Industrial-Adhesives-Tapes/Double-Sided-Bonding-Tapes/3M-VHB-Tape?Ntt=5952rt=sx=0y=0) I'm worried about the curve, cracking and leaks, of course. Yeah yeah, I know. Another CC Windows topic. Sue me. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Mar 5, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Brent Driedger bren...@highspeedcrow.ca wrote: Although I didn't do it I'm still curious to see if someone would be willing to use 3M double sided tape. The expensive stuff with the red backing. The same stuff that airplane manufacturers are sticking fuselage parts together with. I was going to give it a go but I broke the old window while removing it. At 500 bucks I wasn't willing to waste a new window on an experiment. I went plexus and had very good results- the second time around. The key is the shims to prevent you from squeezing out all the goodness. I wish Practical sailor would clear this up once and for all! Cheers Brent Driedger CC 27-v Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-05, at 8:16 AM, Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net wrote: All, I am getting the boat out of the yard Thursday with a fresh bottom (after 5 years in the water year round it was time - though got to love Trinidad SR at least in this area). Also dealt with assorted blisters dings and gouges; torqued out a slight smirk; got the Martec rebuilt; replaced the cutlass bearing; replaced the dripping dripless stuffing box; dressed the shaft; lubed the thru hulls; addressed a centerboard 'issue'; and otherwise got it ready to float for another couple years. Once back home, I am going to tackle the frameless fixed lights-another project past due. I know from past discussions to get cast acrylic and use the old ones as templates- easy enough. The bedding choices seem to be between Plexus and Sikaflex 295UV. One requires a special mixing caulk gun and the other an outrageously priced primer. Anyone have an easier third choice that has worked well? I need good enough - not perfect. I want to get going as they are playing baseball here so the weather is bound to get out of the 60/70s and be warm enough to sail soon. Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
I would second Bob's comments. I used buytl tape on aluminum framed windows on the Catalina I used to own and would never use anything else in that type of application. However, the reason it works so well is that it is not adhesive, so you can get the windows off again to adjust the seal if necessary. It definitely won't work if that is the only thing holding the window on. Jim Reinardy CC 30-2 Firewater Milwaukee, WI On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca wrote: Edd: If your windows have frames and are fastened with screws and/or nuts bolts, butyl tape would work just fine. I have no experience with the 3M tape. If your windows are like mine and sit flush with the cabin top with a curve, I don't think butyl tape won't hold them in place. I replaced my windows are a few years back and used Sika 295 UV with the primer..no problems to date, happy with the Sika product. Bob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2013/03/06 10:47 AM, Edd Schillay wrote: All, Has anyone tried using Butyl Tape or that high-strength 3M tape to fasten their windows (without drilling holes for screws)? I just spoke with a 3M rep, who says their 5952 tape would do the job very well. (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/%7E/All-3M-Products/Industry-and-Professionals/Industrial-Adhesives-Tapes/Double-Sided-Bonding-Tapes/3M-VHB-Tape?Ntt=5952rt=sx=0y=0) I'm worried about the curve, cracking and leaks, of course. Yeah yeah, I know. Another CC Windows topic. Sue me. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Re. the tape. I would be concerned that the gap between the window pane and the glass-fiber frame is not of consistent depth. The adhesive will built up where it needs to and fill the voids. Tape would not do that. Jonathan Indigo 35-III Southport CT _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows All, Has anyone tried using Butyl Tape or that high-strength 3M tape to fasten their windows (without drilling holes for screws)? I just spoke with a 3M rep, who says their 5952 tape would do the job very well. (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/%7E/Al l-3M-Products/Industry-and-Professionals/Industrial-Adhesives-Tapes/Double-S ided-Bonding-Tapes/3M-VHB-Tape?Ntt=5952 http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/%7E/Al l-3M-Products/Industry-and-Professionals/Industrial-Adhesives-Tapes/Double-S ided-Bonding-Tapes/3M-VHB-Tape?Ntt=5952rt=sx=0y=0 rt=sx=0y=0) I'm worried about the curve, cracking and leaks, of course. Yeah yeah, I know. Another CC Windows topic. Sue me. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/ Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Mar 5, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Brent Driedger bren...@highspeedcrow.ca wrote: Although I didn't do it I'm still curious to see if someone would be willing to use 3M double sided tape. The expensive stuff with the red backing. The same stuff that airplane manufacturers are sticking fuselage parts together with. I was going to give it a go but I broke the old window while removing it. At 500 bucks I wasn't willing to waste a new window on an experiment. I went plexus and had very good results- the second time around. The key is the shims to prevent you from squeezing out all the goodness. I wish Practical sailor would clear this up once and for all! Cheers Brent Driedger CC 27-v Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-05, at 8:16 AM, Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net wrote: All, I am getting the boat out of the yard Thursday with a fresh bottom (after 5 years in the water year round it was time - though got to love Trinidad SR at least in this area). Also dealt with assorted blisters dings and gouges; torqued out a slight smirk; got the Martec rebuilt; replaced the cutlass bearing; replaced the dripping dripless stuffing box; dressed the shaft; lubed the thru hulls; addressed a centerboard 'issue'; and otherwise got it ready to float for another couple years. Once back home, I am going to tackle the frameless fixed lights-another project past due. I know from past discussions to get cast acrylic and use the old ones as templates- easy enough. The bedding choices seem to be between Plexus and Sikaflex 295UV. One requires a special mixing caulk gun and the other an outrageously priced primer. Anyone have an easier third choice that has worked well? I need good enough - not perfect. I want to get going as they are playing baseball here so the weather is bound to get out of the 60/70s and be warm enough to sail soon. Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Jonathan, The tape is not as wide as the bed, leaving a void for sealant which does fill any irregularities. Harry Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Indigo ind...@thethomsons.us wrote: Re. the tape. I would be concerned that the gap between the window pane and the glass-fiber frame is not of consistent depth. The adhesive will built up where it needs to and fill the voids. Tape would not do that. Jonathan Indigo 35-III Southport CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:48 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows All, Has anyone tried using Butyl Tape or that high-strength 3M tape to fasten their windows (without drilling holes for screws)? I just spoke with a 3M rep, who says their 5952 tape would do the job very well. (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/%7E/All-3M-Products/Industry-and-Professionals/Industrial-Adhesives-Tapes/Double-Sided-Bonding-Tapes/3M-VHB-Tape?Ntt=5952rt=sx=0y=0) I'm worried about the curve, cracking and leaks, of course. Yeah yeah, I know. Another CC Windows topic. Sue me. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Mar 5, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Brent Driedger bren...@highspeedcrow.ca wrote: Although I didn't do it I'm still curious to see if someone would be willing to use 3M double sided tape. The expensive stuff with the red backing. The same stuff that airplane manufacturers are sticking fuselage parts together with. I was going to give it a go but I broke the old window while removing it. At 500 bucks I wasn't willing to waste a new window on an experiment. I went plexus and had very good results- the second time around. The key is the shims to prevent you from squeezing out all the goodness. I wish Practical sailor would clear this up once and for all! Cheers Brent Driedger CC 27-v Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-05, at 8:16 AM, Kim Brown kimcbr...@comcast.net wrote: All, I am getting the boat out of the yard Thursday with a fresh bottom (after 5 years in the water year round it was time - though got to love Trinidad SR at least in this area). Also dealt with assorted blisters dings and gouges; torqued out a slight smirk; got the Martec rebuilt; replaced the cutlass bearing; replaced the dripping dripless stuffing box; dressed the shaft; lubed the thru hulls; addressed a centerboard 'issue'; and otherwise got it ready to float for another couple years. Once back home, I am going to tackle the frameless fixed lights-another project past due. I know from past discussions to get cast acrylic and use the old ones as templates- easy enough. The bedding choices seem to be between Plexus and Sikaflex 295UV. One requires a special mixing caulk gun and the other an outrageously priced primer. Anyone have an easier third choice that has worked well? I need good enough - not perfect. I want to get going as they are playing baseball here so the weather is bound to get out of the 60/70s and be warm enough to sail soon. Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Portlight Replacement PicturesHarryMIRAGEOn Mar 06, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote:Jonathan,The tape is not as wide as the bed, leaving a void for sealant which does fill any irregularities.HarrySent from my iPhone___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
So Harry, just to confirm, the windows are secured in the cabin top by just the 3M tape and then they are caulked with Sika 395. No fasteners whatsoever and no major installation bracing or clamping? How long have they been in place? Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On 2013-03-06, at 3:00 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: Portlight Replacement Pictures Harry MIRAGE On Mar 06, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: Jonathan, The tape is not as wide as the bed, leaving a void for sealant which does fill any irregularities. Harry Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Harry, You're an inspiration! Nice job! Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Mar 6, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: Portlight Replacement Pictures Harry MIRAGE On Mar 06, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: Jonathan, The tape is not as wide as the bed, leaving a void for sealant which does fill any irregularities. Harry Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Replacement Rudders
I've seen what they can do. They're pretty good. The heart of the business is building rudders for skiff's. They ship world wide. I've seen a couple of CC rudders that they've done and they look good, and weigh about half of the original. -- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag CC 30 On 03/05/13, Michael Dean md...@ca.inter.net wrote: Here is a link to what used to be Phil's Foils in Ottawa. Looks like he has rudder for CC 35 (depending on which model 35). Probably less expensive depending on whether he can reuse the inner skeleton. I have no personal knowledge of quality. http://www.fastcomposites.ca/site/marine/foils-a-z/cc/ Mike Dean CC 27 Mk III Oakville, ON -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sisson Sent: March-05-13 2:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Introducing me... Hello Fellow Listers, Allow me to introduce myselfmy name is Joseph Sisson and I am the proud owner of Silent Runner a 1975 CC 35 MKII...hull # 350. I purchased her last August. She was on the hard in a marina on the North Channel of Lake Huron. After a couple months of testing, cleaning, replacing, retrofitting, restoring etc...I set out on what was supposed to be a voyage down Lake Michigan and into the river systems exiting at Mobile Alabama and into the Gulf of Mexico. The plan was that I would sail the boat to the Caribbean and eventually through the Panama Canal and onto Vancouver BC Canada which is where I want the boat to end up. Long story short I ran aground on the evening of the first day of my voyage, was rescued (taken off the boat) by the Ontario Provincial Police (Marine Unit) after several unsuccessful attempts to pull the boat off the rocks. After four loong days of waiting for the wind to die down so that we (I hired a local fisherman and his boat) could get back to my boat, I was overjoyed to find her still afloat. We attached a 400 foot line to the main halyard and pulled Silent Runner from the top of the mast until she heeled over enough to float her off the rocks. I wish I had know how to do that on the night that I ran aground and would have tried that with the OPP boat. (You learn these things as you go.) Photos of the rescue of the boat can be found at: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=155629101249005set=a.155628851249030 .52955.124818477663401type=3permPage=1 Although the rudder was badly damaged, I still had steerage and motored SR to Gore Bay where she was hauled and is now awaiting my return in the spring. While at Gore Bay I got to know the service manager of a sailboat charter company there and shared with him the story of my running aground. After inspecting the damage to the rudder and the hull his comment was: If that had been one of our boats (they have mostly late model sailboats to offer there clients) if would have been in pieces. So I am very glad that I choose to purchase a CC and Silent Runner's story is testament to the solid construction of these boats (something that I do not wish to test again). I have been monitoring this forum and reading the postings for months now and am only now chiming in. I found the CC Photo Album website and this forum while researching potential sailboats to purchase. I suggest that the website and this active forum of CC owners should be included as a selling feature with any CC. (Great resource and great people!) Through the list I was informed of the Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes and have contacted them to obtain drawings of the CC 35 MKII (still waiting for the results of their search). Are there any 35 MKII owners who have obtained drawings of this design? I am considering doing the repairs to the rudder myself after receiving quotes of $4K and $5K from two companies. I welcome any suggestions or comments as to the feasibility of doing the repair myself. To Jim Watts re hatch replacement: through this list I was informed of Hammerhead Nautical Systems in Toronto. I recently sent them the glass for my hatch on my Edel 665 (I am currently restoring her to like new condition). They are going to supply a new glass (with my original hardware attached) and new gaskets for about $300. The link to their website is: http://www.hhns.ca To Kim Brown re an easier third choice for leaking windows: you might want to consider butyl tape. Also through this list I was informed of this product. An informative article with photos can be found at: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance/63554-bedding-deck-hardware-b utyl-tape.html Sorry for running on so long Cheers, Joseph Sisson s/v Silent Runner 1975 CC 35 MKII Hull #350 (second last 35 MKII off the line) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
Re: Stus-List Replacement Rudders
don't you need weight in the stern for traction? Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On 2013-03-06, at 3:29 PM, Jeffrey Nelson nelson2...@eastlink.ca wrote: I've seen what they can do. They're pretty good. The heart of the business is building rudders for skiff's. They ship world wide. I've seen a couple of CC rudders that they've done and they look good, and weigh about half of the original. -- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag CC 30 On 03/05/13, Michael Dean md...@ca.inter.net wrote: Here is a link to what used to be Phil's Foils in Ottawa. Looks like he has rudder for CC 35 (depending on which model 35). Probably less expensive depending on whether he can reuse the inner skeleton. I have no personal knowledge of quality. http://www.fastcomposites.ca/site/marine/foils-a-z/cc/ Mike Dean CC 27 Mk III Oakville, ON -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sisson Sent: March-05-13 2:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Introducing me... Hello Fellow Listers, Allow me to introduce myselfmy name is Joseph Sisson and I am the proud owner of Silent Runner a 1975 CC 35 MKII...hull # 350. I purchased her last August. She was on the hard in a marina on the North Channel of Lake Huron. After a couple months of testing, cleaning, replacing, retrofitting, restoring etc...I set out on what was supposed to be a voyage down Lake Michigan and into the river systems exiting at Mobile Alabama and into the Gulf of Mexico. The plan was that I would sail the boat to the Caribbean and eventually through the Panama Canal and onto Vancouver BC Canada which is where I want the boat to end up. Long story short I ran aground on the evening of the first day of my voyage, was rescued (taken off the boat) by the Ontario Provincial Police (Marine Unit) after several unsuccessful attempts to pull the boat off the rocks. After four loong days of waiting for the wind to die down so that we (I hired a local fisherman and his boat) could get back to my boat, I was overjoyed to find her still afloat. We attached a 400 foot line to the main halyard and pulled Silent Runner from the top of the mast until she heeled over enough to float her off the rocks. I wish I had know how to do that on the night that I ran aground and would have tried that with the OPP boat. (You learn these things as you go.) Photos of the rescue of the boat can be found at: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=155629101249005set=a.155628851249030 .52955.124818477663401type=3permPage=1 Although the rudder was badly damaged, I still had steerage and motored SR to Gore Bay where she was hauled and is now awaiting my return in the spring. While at Gore Bay I got to know the service manager of a sailboat charter company there and shared with him the story of my running aground. After inspecting the damage to the rudder and the hull his comment was: If that had been one of our boats (they have mostly late model sailboats to offer there clients) if would have been in pieces. So I am very glad that I choose to purchase a CC and Silent Runner's story is testament to the solid construction of these boats (something that I do not wish to test again). I have been monitoring this forum and reading the postings for months now and am only now chiming in. I found the CC Photo Album website and this forum while researching potential sailboats to purchase. I suggest that the website and this active forum of CC owners should be included as a selling feature with any CC. (Great resource and great people!) Through the list I was informed of the Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes and have contacted them to obtain drawings of the CC 35 MKII (still waiting for the results of their search). Are there any 35 MKII owners who have obtained drawings of this design? I am considering doing the repairs to the rudder myself after receiving quotes of $4K and $5K from two companies. I welcome any suggestions or comments as to the feasibility of doing the repair myself. To Jim Watts re hatch replacement: through this list I was informed of Hammerhead Nautical Systems in Toronto. I recently sent them the glass for my hatch on my Edel 665 (I am currently restoring her to like new condition). They are going to supply a new glass (with my original hardware attached) and new gaskets for about $300. The link to their website is: http://www.hhns.ca To Kim Brown re an easier third choice for leaking windows: you might want to consider butyl tape. Also through this list I was informed of this product. An informative article with photos can be found at: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance/63554-bedding-deck-hardware-b utyl-tape.html Sorry for running on so long Cheers, Joseph Sisson s/v Silent Runner 1975 CC 35 MKII Hull #350 (second last 35 MKII off the
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
1. prep/sand boat and plexi.2. Sika prime both surfaces3. apply tape to boat on inboard edge of opening4. mask everything5. lay bead of sealant on boat6. set ports7. finish sealant8. remove tape when tackyI don't use clamps or braces, although it wouldn't hurt. The tape holds it in place (approx 1/16" bedding). Ports completed two seasons on MIRAGE without incident. I have done other frameless surface mounted ports on my J Boat the same way and it lasts. Sika is good stuff.Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.comOn Mar 06, 2013, at 02:05 PM, Knowles Rich r...@sailpower.ca wrote:So Harry, just to confirm, the windows are secured in the cabin top by just the 3M tape and then they are caulked with Sika 395. No fasteners whatsoever and no major installation bracing or clamping? How long have they been in place?Rich KnowlesINDIGO LF38Halifax, NS.On 2013-03-06, at 3:00 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote:Portlight Replacement PicturesHarryMIRAGEOn Mar 06, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote:Jonathan,The tape is not as wide as the bed, leaving a void for sealant which does fill any irregularities.HarrySent from my iPhone___This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Looks great. Nice work:) Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On 2013-03-06, at 3:48 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: 1. prep/sand boat and plexi. 2. Sika prime both surfaces 3. apply tape to boat on inboard edge of opening 4. mask everything 5. lay bead of sealant on boat 6. set ports 7. finish sealant 8. remove tape when tacky I don't use clamps or braces, although it wouldn't hurt. The tape holds it in place (approx 1/16 bedding). Ports completed two seasons on MIRAGE without incident. I have done other frameless surface mounted ports on my J Boat the same way and it lasts. Sika is good stuff. Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com On Mar 06, 2013, at 02:05 PM, Knowles Rich r...@sailpower.ca wrote: So Harry, just to confirm, the windows are secured in the cabin top by just the 3M tape and then they are caulked with Sika 395. No fasteners whatsoever and no major installation bracing or clamping? How long have they been in place? Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38 Halifax, NS. On 2013-03-06, at 3:00 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: Portlight Replacement Pictures Harry MIRAGE On Mar 06, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: Jonathan, The tape is not as wide as the bed, leaving a void for sealant which does fill any irregularities. Harry Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Could you please resend the model of 3M tape you're using? I'd love to try that method with Plexus on my next window redo; it could save all the holding and bracing while the adhesive sets up. Thanks! Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: 1. prep/sand boat and plexi. 2. Sika prime both surfaces 3. apply tape to boat on inboard edge of opening 4. mask everything 5. lay bead of sealant on boat 6. set ports 7. finish sealant 8. remove tape when tacky I don't use clamps or braces, although it wouldn't hurt. The tape holds it in place (approx 1/16 bedding). Ports completed two seasons on MIRAGE without incident. I have done other frameless surface mounted ports on my J Boat the same way and it lasts. Sika is good stuff. Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Centerboard 35-3
All, Centerboard saga continues. We were able to get the board down and reach the attachment point but the pin itself is broken. There are two straps with one on each side of the board, they appear intact. But the pin that runs between is broken. We can grind the remnants out but there appears no easy way to replace it? Even with the board down the straps are up in the keel cavity and there is no clearance outboard of the straps. Anyone been down this path? Possible choices seem to be 1) just pin the board up and forget about it (for the moment this is what we are going to do so I can splash); 2)punch the pivot pin on the board out and drop it; 3) grind the nose of the keel a bit to allow the board to pivot forward more than usual and enough to expose the strap and replace the pin normally. Not sure it this can be done without getting into the lead too deep-; 4) getting creative on the hardware front-some sort of pin/bolt that will fit between the straps (approx 1.5) and the then expand (spring? threaded?)to pop into the strap holes on either side. Of course it needs to be stainless, handle real weight and stay expanded.Thoughts? Voice of experience? Anyone tried #3? Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
I did my windows last year using the Select Plastic method - No clamps or bracing required. Tony pre-drills 6 very small holes through the Plexus (or choice of window). Dry fit the windows and drill pilot holes into the fiberglass through Tony's holes. Mask everything. Affix nylon washers or other spacers to the window with dabs of Dow 795. Apply plenty and I mean PLENTY of Dow 795 to the window. (If you don't make a mess, you have not used enough!) Put windows in place and affix with small screws in pre-drilled holes. Tighten enough to ensure 795 oozes out every where. After several days (I think it was 10 from memory) remove screws and fill holes with dab of 795. Admitedly only one season so far, but not a single leak. My biggest mistake was not to get good masking in the sharper inside corners. However, a few minutes of careful work with an Xacto knife blade, and the 975 came away clean, As I said in an earlier post, 795 takes quite a while to set up and Tony was adamant that I should not move the boat for quite a while - I think it was 10-15 days - This is therefore a fall or early spring project if you don't want to delay splash! Jonathan _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows Could you please resend the model of 3M tape you're using? I'd love to try that method with Plexus on my next window redo; it could save all the holding and bracing while the adhesive sets up. Thanks! Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: 1. prep/sand boat and plexi. 2. Sika prime both surfaces 3. apply tape to boat on inboard edge of opening 4. mask everything 5. lay bead of sealant on boat 6. set ports 7. finish sealant 8. remove tape when tacky I don't use clamps or braces, although it wouldn't hurt. The tape holds it in place (approx 1/16 bedding). Ports completed two seasons on MIRAGE without incident. I have done other frameless surface mounted ports on my J Boat the same way and it lasts. Sika is good stuff. Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Water Pump delayed start
Hi, I know all of you CC owners are on the edge of your seats wondering how the continuing saga of the Terry Johnson ‘delayed start water pump issue’ was going to be resolved. At last, with the generous and knowledgeable help of Frank Noragon, we have found the problem to be in the faucet itself! I purchased new faucets from Home Depot around the time I replaced my water pump. The new faucet has a backflow restrictor in the form of a spring loaded ball that requires about 40 to 50 pounds pressure to open. This was found by taking the faucet apart and looking at how it was constructed. The faucet was identified as the problem by disconnecting the output side of the pump, insuring it ran correctly when turned off and on many times, and then connecting the pump directly to the cold water intake of the faucet. The pump then did not operate in a timely manner, it had a delayed start of 10 to 60 seconds. I am purchasing a new faucet as I was not able to get the old one to operate correctly once the spring was removed. I would like to thank Frank for his help in troubleshooting the problem. Frank also taught me a new trick on how to remove a water pump hose from a barbed connector. Previously, I had been cutting the hose to remove the connectors. Frank brought along a heat gun and we would heat the hose at the barbed end of the fitting for about 60 to 90 seconds. After the hose was heated, it would easily pull free from the barbed connector. What a wonderful bunch of guys we have on the CC site. Thanks again Frank ...Terry Johnson From: Terry Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:26 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Pump delayed start Rich, I received several potential issues that I need to check out. Air in the lines, accumulator issues, possible wiring. I will look into all of them, and if all else fails, I will call Jabsco. I may call Jabsco first. ...Terry From: Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:45 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Pump delayed start So what happened? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-28, at 14:07, Terry tj...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I would like to thank everyone for their comments regarding the water pump issue. It was very helpful...Terry Johnson From: Bill Coleman Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:53 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Pump delayed start Is it possible that the water is leaking back to the tank, so it has to fill the lines again, possibly even re-priming the pump? Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Pump delayed start I had that problem on a Swan I used to deliver; you turn on the faucet then wait for the water. ..drove me up the wall, but never did figure out what was the problem. Maybe a good idea to call Jabsco and talk to a tech, they must have had that problem before. When you find out, please share with us. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, Is the problem that the motor does not come on or that it comes on but no water comes out? Joel Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Terry tj...@comcast.net wrote: Model # 12884557 From: Rich Knowles Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:40 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Pump delayed start There are a number of versions of this pump including some automatic. What is the precise model number, please! Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-27, at 19:24, Terry tj...@comcast.net wrote: It is a Jabsco par-max plus 12 volt. From: Rich Knowles Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Water Pump delayed start What is the make and model? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-02-27, at 18:48, Terry tj...@comcast.net wrote: Hello, I have just installed a new fresh water pump. The new pump does not come on right way as it is supposed to, instead it takes 15 to 45 seconds for it to start. I thought it was a faulty pressure switch so I took the first new pump back and installed a second new pump. The same problem occurs. Any suggestions as to what the problem may be?? Terry Johnson S/V Ozymandias E-mail: tj...@comcast.net Website: www.tj622.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Terry
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
We did the windows on our 29-2. Put butyl tape and the same sealant that S2 used the set their windows. Don,t remember the name but I think I still have some in the basement. The butyl tape ran down the windows when it got hot. Black windows in the Georgia sun get hot. The sealant held up well. I#39;ve seen S2#39;s that the original windows still do not leak, we had one and was impressed with the construction. To hold the windows in during drying time, I got some double suction window lifting handles. I stuck them to the inside and tied straps to the opposite side of the boat. Tighten the ratchets to pull the glass in. It worked great. This was a long messy job. Hope to never do it again. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Had Perception's done last year, along with a lot of gel cost repair from 2 poor jobs done previously, a previous owner and an 'expert' . The installer used #4 screws between the glazing and edge of the recess with washers on them. He used the sikaflex and primer for adhesive. After the adhesive dried he removed them, taped the window and gel coat and caulked the gap covering the holes. Looks great, and so far dry. Paul. :) On 2013-03-06, at 6:32 PM, Indigo ind...@thethomsons.us wrote: I did my windows last year using the Select Plastic method – No clamps or bracing required. Tony pre-drills 6 very small holes through the Plexus (or choice of window). Dry fit the windows and drill pilot holes into the fiberglass through Tony’s holes. Mask everything. Affix nylon washers or other spacers to the window with dabs of Dow 795. Apply plenty and I mean PLENTY of Dow 795 to the window. (If you don’t make a mess, you have not used enough!) Put windows in place and affix with small screws in pre-drilled holes. Tighten enough to ensure 795 oozes out every where. After several days (I think it was 10 from memory) remove screws and fill holes with dab of 795. Admitedly only one season so far, but not a single leak. My biggest mistake was not to get good masking in the sharper inside corners. However, a few minutes of careful work with an Xacto knife blade, and the 975 came away clean, As I said in an earlier post, 795 takes quite a while to set up and Tony was adamant that I should not move the boat for quite a while – I think it was 10-15 days – This is therefore a fall or early spring project if you don’t want to delay splash! Jonathan From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows Could you please resend the model of 3M tape you're using? I'd love to try that method with Plexus on my next window redo; it could save all the holding and bracing while the adhesive sets up. Thanks! Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote: 1. prep/sand boat and plexi. 2. Sika prime both surfaces 3. apply tape to boat on inboard edge of opening 4. mask everything 5. lay bead of sealant on boat 6. set ports 7. finish sealant 8. remove tape when tacky I don't use clamps or braces, although it wouldn't hurt. The tape holds it in place (approx 1/16 bedding). Ports completed two seasons on MIRAGE without incident. I have done other frameless surface mounted ports on my J Boat the same way and it lasts. Sika is good stuff. Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Another great product discovery: LEDs
Hi, I replaced all the main cabin settee/nav station lights in my 35 MKIII with IKEA 12v LED lights.I believe the lights are intended for under kitchen cabinet lighting. They are puck lights (around 40 dollars for the set of 3 with ac transformer) I mounted 6 lights,connected them direct to the existing 12v wiring and they work beautifully.The light they put out is very warm and mellow. Larry Dick S/V Sooner Leamington,Ontario. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spring checklist
While this list is a source of unbounded information, opinions and sarcasm, there's a lot on the Photoalbum site itself. Winch diagrams, do it yourself tips and projects, etc. So.in the water or out, now's the time to start checking out your boat for the sailing season. Your handy dandy (and grossly underpaid) CC resource center has provided a nice checklist for you. Just visit the CC resource center at: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ Scroll down the left sidebar to the Do It Yourself button and click. Click the link called Spring Re-commissioning List and print it out. Take it to your boat and start checking things off. If you have questions, ask them on the list. Or find the checklist at: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/download/checklist.pdf Speaking of the underpaid part, while you're on the site, go to the Chandlery and support the site through a donation or purchase. Thanks, Dennis C. (Unofficial Site Marketing Peon) Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/download/checklist.pdf ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spring checklist
I think that is finest bit of blatant high-pressure marketing I've seen in a while. I second the motion!!! Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-03-06, at 22:25, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote: While this list is a source of unbounded information, opinions and sarcasm, there's a lot on the Photoalbum site itself. Winch diagrams, do it yourself tips and projects, etc. So.in the water or out, now's the time to start checking out your boat for the sailing season. Your handy dandy (and grossly underpaid) CC resource center has provided a nice checklist for you. Just visit the CC resource center at: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ Scroll down the left sidebar to the Do It Yourself button and click. Click the link called Spring Re-commissioning List and print it out. Take it to your boat and start checking things off. If you have questions, ask them on the list. Or find the checklist at: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/download/checklist.pdf Speaking of the underpaid part, while you're on the site, go to the Chandlery and support the site through a donation or purchase. Thanks, Dennis C. (Unofficial Site Marketing Peon) Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/download/checklist.pdf ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Mister Mxyzptlk
The answer is Mister Mxyzptlk Now you know. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Butyl Tape or 3M Tape on Windows
Fred,I used this3M Tapewhich I bought at a local NAPA Auto Parts store.Harry HallgringMirageOn Mar 06, 2013, at 05:02 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote:Could you please resend the model of 3M tape you're using? I'd love to try that method with Plexus on my next window redo; it could save all the holding and bracing while the adhesive sets up. Thanks!Fred Street -- MinneapolisS/VOceanis(1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI:^(On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com wrote:1. prep/sand boat and plexi.2. Sika prime both surfaces3. apply tape to boat on inboard edge of opening4. mask everything5. lay bead of sealant on boat6. set ports7. finish sealant8. remove tape when tackyI don't use clamps or braces, although it wouldn't hurt. The tape holds it in place (approx 1/16" bedding). Ports completed two seasons on MIRAGE without incident. I have done other frameless surface mounted ports on my J Boat the same way and it lasts. Sika is good stuff.Harry Hallgring hhallgr...@icloud.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Soleil, CC30 out of Royal Van YC
Greetings, Anyone know anything about a yellow CC30 called Soleil that was raced out of Royal Vancouver YC? Looks like she was there at least in 1990/1991, winning a 2nd and 3rd in their Dog Days races. I'm considering her as my next hole in the water into which I will pour money. Cheers, Paul. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mister Mxyzptlk
What's the question?RonWild Cheri --- On Wed, 3/6/13, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: From: Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com Subject: Stus-List Mister Mxyzptlk To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 9:12 PM The answer is Mister Mxyzptlk Now you know. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mister Mxyzptlk
Hi Ron, You just asked it. (Remember, it's Wally :) cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 07:37 PM 06/03/2013, you wrote: What's the question? Ron Wild Cheri --- On Wed, 3/6/13, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: From: Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com Subject: Stus-List Mister Mxyzptlk To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 9:12 PM The answer is Mister Mxyzptlk Now you know. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.comhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
