Re: Stus-List LF38 rudder post grease fitting
Clever solution! Even better, screw an extension hose on the cap and the zerk on the end of the hose where you can get at it. No such thing as too much grease. Rich On Apr 9, 2014, at 20:40, Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com wrote: So I find that my rudder bearing still has the classic fill it with grease and then screw in the cap to force it into the bearing piece originally installed. I got the cap off - it all looks good but lord knows when any grease was put in it. Anyway. Does anyone have a good reason why I shouldn't just drill a hole in the cap, tap the hole and install a zerk fitting, and screw the cap back on? Then I can just crank grease in using a gun. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-04-09 5:54 PM, Wally Bryant wrote: This might be of value: http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/steering/zerk/zerk.htm Sheesh, has it been 11 years? I need to take a shower. Note the bearing experience at the bottom of the page. I must just be lucky, because that bearing is still incredibly tight, and my rudder has been abused. Richard wrote: Joel, I didn't realize that there might be different fittings; if its just a plug I can pull it out and inject the grease down into the hole? Thanks ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
The Corvette is a classic. If you are comfortable fixing her up and making her shine, go for it. If you want a fancy new(er) boat and have the $$$, go for it. It's your hobby and whatever winds your watch is your best bet. My Landfall 38 is 33 years old, in pretty good shape and I've never lusted after anything else since I bought her 16 years ago. Your call! Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:02, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs...
Yea Russ, well I got someone very close to me whose life has been changed forever by treatment from one of those guys.so I can't accept the time out.3 broken vertebrae from an over aggressive chiropractor.big pain everyday, no fix for his injuries, ugly pain meds just to survive, under 30 years old and once very athletic.I would never trust a chiropractor to fix anything but I do know many people who keep going back for more.that's the one certainty about treatment from a chiropractor, you will have to return for more.you may feel more like me about that if it were your son whose life was ruined.mine made his living as a high climber and now he is barely able to walk after just 1 treatment from a chiropractor to try to relax some back muscle pain so now he suffers constant high levels of pain every hour of everyday for the rest of his life for which all his doctors can do is prescribe higher and higher doses of addictive meds, like hydromorph.and he gets very little money to live on and these lawsuits can take forever to get settled.so Russ you go to the chiropractor 6 times a year for the rest of your life if you feel it does you good but please understand where I am coming from too.you have been lucky with your treatments but many like my son have not, bone chips in his spine that can not as yet be removed surgically, 5th, 6th and 7th thoracic vertebrae compression fractures.I don't feel one bit bad about the way I feel about that practice.and there is x-ray and MRI evidence to support how his back got broken Not sailing related maybe but when any member on this list leaves personal credentials below their signature then they open themselves to more than comments about sailing, this guy, Mark Bodnar always leaves his personal credentials and I must admit that his credentials do not impress me and it may be inappropriate for him to advertise them on this list of friends in sailing. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody Sent: April 10, 2014 1:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs... Time out Dwight. Your doctor comment is inappropriate. On this list we are amongst friends regardless of our opinion. Please be civil. In the spirit of full disclosure, I see a Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine about six times a year. I am very happy with the results after each visit. Furthermore, I see a real doctor very seldom... maybe three times in the past ten years. The results speak for themselves. On the subject of overbearing rules, I belive we are profoundly heading down the road where all activities will be regulated and our favourite activities will be deemed dangerous. I did sail offshore with a 6 year old boy and his mother. She had sailed once before in the kindergarten known as the Gulf Islands and the lad had never been on a sailboat. They joined me in Jamaica and got off at Hawaii via French Polynesia. The boat was a 32' Southern Cross named Dove. PO builder sailed around the world with the wife two daughters and their son was born in South Africa after repairs to a dismasting. Steven came across the Atlantic at the age of one. Free trade and sailor's rights, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:18 PM 09/04/2014, you wrote: Are you really a doctor??? This does not sound like a real doctor talking.governments try to make laws that society wants.oh I see you are in chiropractic medicine, let me fix you now and please return every 2 weeks for the rest of your life for another fix _ From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar Sent: April 9, 2014 2:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs... I agree wholeheartedly. Society, in our attempt to make idiot proof, is making our lives so full of rules and regulations that we hardly know what to do unless we are told. I read a short article in Discover magazine a while back - it talked about a small town in northern Europe (Sweden?) that decided to install their first traffic light. A year later they had experienced a significant increase in the number of accidents at the intersection. In the resulting study they learned that with a light telling them what to do, people didn't put any thought into the process. If the light was green they just drove through the intersection -- if someone coming the other way accidentally entered the intersection then there was an accident. Take away the light and people would approach the intersection looking for any possible trouble - eyes open and brain engaged. They took out the traffic light and the number of accidents reverted back to normal levels. I feel we suffer the same problem in so many areas. I counted 13 street signs in the 500m leading up to my kids school a few months back --- I'm supposed to read all those and obey -- but at the same time
Stus-List Off topic discussion - Was Re: Rebel Heart
Dwight, I must admit that I took your first comment as a bad joke. Clearly that is not the case. First. Very sorry to hear about your son. Obviously I know nothing about his injuries so can't comment on how or what happened - but absolutely terrible end result none the less. I've never seen or heard something similar in my 20 yrs practicing. I hope his condition improves. Second. You are judging an entire profession by a single event. Every group has it bad apples. Chiropractic may have more than its fair share of charlatans, but that is something I have worked to improve over my career. I work hard to be better than what you describe and I am proud of record. Risks associated with typical treatments are quite low, and typically safer than medication options and far less risky than surgical intervention. In the end this is a list discussing sailing, CC boats and maintenance. I have gleaned a lot of knowledge from this list, and also from your posts Dwight. I'm happy to continue in that vein. No need to burden the list with further comments on this topic. Mark On 10 Apr 2014 05:16, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Yea Russ, well I got someone very close to me whose life has been changed forever by treatment from one of those guys…so I can’t accept the time out…3 broken vertebrae from an over aggressive chiropractor…big pain everyday, no fix for his injuries, ugly pain meds just to survive, under 30 years old and once very athletic…I would never trust a chiropractor to fix anything but I do know many people who keep going back for more…that’s the one certainty about treatment from a chiropractor, you will have to return for more…you may feel more like me about that if it were your son whose life was ruined…mine made his living as a high climber and now he is barely able to walk after just 1 treatment from a chiropractor to try to relax some back muscle pain so now he suffers constant high levels of pain every hour of everyday for the rest of his life for which all his doctors can do is prescribe higher and higher doses of addictive meds, like hydromorph…and he gets very little money to live on and these lawsuits can take forever to get settled…so Russ you go to the chiropractor 6 times a year for the rest of your life if you feel it does you good but please understand where I am coming from too…you have been lucky with your treatments but many like my son have not, bone chips in his spine that can not as yet be removed surgically, 5th, 6th and 7th thoracic vertebrae compression fractures…I don’t feel one bit bad about the way I feel about that practice…and there is x-ray and MRI evidence to support how his back got broken Not sailing related maybe but when any member on this list leaves personal credentials below their signature then they open themselves to more than comments about sailing, this guy, Mark Bodnar always leaves his personal credentials and I must admit that his credentials do not impress me and it may be inappropriate for him to advertise them on this list of friends in sailing. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody Sent: April 10, 2014 1:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs... Time out Dwight. Your doctor comment is inappropriate. On this list we are amongst friends regardless of our opinion. Please be civil. In the spirit of full disclosure, I see a Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine about six times a year. I am very happy with the results after each visit. Furthermore, I see a real doctor very seldom... maybe three times in the past ten years. The results speak for themselves. On the subject of overbearing rules, I belive we are profoundly heading down the road where all activities will be regulated and our favourite activities will be deemed dangerous. I did sail offshore with a 6 year old boy and his mother. She had sailed once before in the kindergarten known as the Gulf Islands and the lad had never been on a sailboat. They joined me in Jamaica and got off at Hawaii via French Polynesia. The boat was a 32' Southern Cross named Dove. PO builder sailed around the world with the wife two daughters and their son was born in South Africa after repairs to a dismasting. Steven came across the Atlantic at the age of one. Free trade and sailor's rights, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:18 PM 09/04/2014, you wrote: Are you really a doctor??? This does not sound like a real doctor talking…governments try to make laws that society wants…oh I see you are in chiropractic medicine, let me fix you now and please return every 2 weeks for the rest of your life for another fix From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar Sent: April 9, 2014 2:23
Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
CC what? Lots of CC models had a mark 2. Please tell us which boat? I think there is quite a difference between doing this in a 25 footer vs a 40 footer. Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of CATHY DE PONT Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there any regrets? Are there any other pros and cons? This is a cruising boat so speed is not critical. Many thanks, Gordon on Lorikeet based in Sidney, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
YES -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan Grant Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List wiring projects
I have two wiring projects to complete this weekend and I have questions about fuses:1. The holding tank monitor I bought from Fred shows a fuse being wired between the power source and the monitor gauge. Since the power is coming from a breaker on the main panel, is there any reason to add this fuse as well?2. I am also wiring my new solar panel to a Sunsaver Duo controller and then to the two batteries. Their diagram shows a 30A fuse wired between the Duo and each battery. They did not supply these fuses with the kit. Is there a rationale for those fuses? Thanks- Dave David KnechtAries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
I also explored wire vs. rod.Is that cost differential factoring in all hardware (turnbuckles etc) that need to be switched out or just the rod/wire? FYI...I am going with rod because at the end of the day, given all the hardware that need be replaced, it was not worth it. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:36:39 -0300 From: mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please CC what? Lots of CC models had a mark 2. Please tell us which boat? I think there is quite a difference between doing this in a 25 footer vs a 40 footer. Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of CATHY DE PONT Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there any regrets? Are there any other pros and cons? This is a cruising boat so speed is not critical. Many thanks, Gordon on Lorikeet based in Sidney, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - Was Re: Rebel Heart
Thanks Mark, I appreciate your concern for what happened to my son. Maybe I have not been fair to the profession as a whole but the anger of what happened to my son eats at me everyday...he was once very athletic, an excellent sailor, both of my sons started on the boat just after birth going along with us in car seats fastened securely below, then to harnesses and life jackets on deck and then to learning to steer and trim all before the age of 7 and then through junior sail programs and opti and laser racing so my youngest completed silver sail at 13, much like others have said, my boys grew up on a sailboat. Now there are no surgical intervention options for him because the neurosurgeons advise that the risks associated with surgery are too great...he can at least walk with much difficulty now but they can't guarantee he will be able to do that if they attempt surgery...and he can't sail with me and he can't ski or go camping or hiking and he can't do garden and lawn chores...relistically he can't do anything that he enjoyed doing before...basically he has to spend most of his life just lying down on addictive meds to dull the pain he suffers continuously...sometimes he can take short walks on even ground and even then sometimes he is struck and loses all control and falls down and shakes uncontrollably but can't get up...that can happen to him anywhere without warning...so I am sorry, I just can not speak well of your profession and I wish you would not advertise it on the sailing list...frankly I don't think the list is an appropriate place to advertise your personal business anyway and if you had not done that in the first place none of my comments would ever have happened. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of M Bod Sent: April 10, 2014 9:10 AM To: CC list Subject: Stus-List Off topic discussion - Was Re: Rebel Heart Dwight, I must admit that I took your first comment as a bad joke. Clearly that is not the case. First. Very sorry to hear about your son. Obviously I know nothing about his injuries so can't comment on how or what happened - but absolutely terrible end result none the less. I've never seen or heard something similar in my 20 yrs practicing. I hope his condition improves. Second. You are judging an entire profession by a single event. Every group has it bad apples. Chiropractic may have more than its fair share of charlatans, but that is something I have worked to improve over my career. I work hard to be better than what you describe and I am proud of record. Risks associated with typical treatments are quite low, and typically safer than medication options and far less risky than surgical intervention. In the end this is a list discussing sailing, CC boats and maintenance. I have gleaned a lot of knowledge from this list, and also from your posts Dwight. I'm happy to continue in that vein. No need to burden the list with further comments on this topic. Mark On 10 Apr 2014 05:16, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: Yea Russ, well I got someone very close to me whose life has been changed forever by treatment from one of those guys so I cant accept the time out 3 broken vertebrae from an over aggressive chiropractor big pain everyday, no fix for his injuries, ugly pain meds just to survive, under 30 years old and once very athletic I would never trust a chiropractor to fix anything but I do know many people who keep going back for more thats the one certainty about treatment from a chiropractor, you will have to return for more you may feel more like me about that if it were your son whose life was ruined mine made his living as a high climber and now he is barely able to walk after just 1 treatment from a chiropractor to try to relax some back muscle pain so now he suffers constant high levels of pain every hour of everyday for the rest of his life for which all his doctors can do is prescribe higher and higher doses of addictive meds, like hydromorph and he gets very little money to live on and these lawsuits can take forever to get settled so Russ you go to the chiropractor 6 times a year for the rest of your life if you feel it does you good but please understand where I am coming from too you have been lucky with your treatments but many like my son have not, bone chips in his spine that can not as yet be removed surgically, 5th, 6th and 7th thoracic vertebrae compression fractures I dont feel one bit bad about the way I feel about that practice and there is x-ray and MRI evidence to support how his back got broken Not sailing related maybe but when any member on this list leaves personal credentials below their signature then they open themselves to more than comments about sailing, this guy, Mark Bodnar always leaves his personal credentials and I must admit that his credentials do not impress me and it may be inappropriate for him to advertise them on this list of friends in sailing.
Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
To me, the advantages of rod rigging apply only to racing. For cruising, wire is preferable for a few reasons. One of the biggies is that wire often gives you warning before failure, while rod can visually look perfect up until the moment it suddenly fails. It is also a lot easier to carry a coiled up spare length of wire and DIY sta-lok fittings for emergencies. So, if I had a boat with rod rigging and I was planning on going cruising, I would convert to wire. Bill Bina On 4/10/2014 8:42 AM, David wrote: I also explored wire vs. rod.Is that cost differential factoring in all hardware (turnbuckles etc) that need to be switched out or just the rod/wire? FYI...I am going with rod because at the end of the day, given all the hardware that need be replaced, it was not worth it. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List e: LF38 rudder post grease fitting
Never thought that there'd be this much discussion. Thanks to all. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
Kinda like older cars, it depends on how long you plan to hold on to it. 2 or 3 years probably not worth the hassle or investment of time and money. 10 or 20 probably. Besides, could you afford or justify a NEW boat? If not, then you are still just getting a used boat and someone else's problems. Buying used is almost always a compromise between value and hassles. I can usually deal with hassles. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 10, 2014 12:03 AM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I am 100% certain at least one person on here thinks my job, my political views, and the country I live in are the root of all evil. Maybe all of you do for all I know! Unlike certain lists and forums, this place has been mostly free of off topic sniping and flame wars. The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. A certain place that is known for anarchy has some long-standing wars that have included people trying to get other people fired from their jobs and accusations of real life major crimes. I would love for this list to stay free of that stuff and humbly request that this kind of thing cease and desist. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
Dan If you can clean up the boat and put it in the water and running for not too much money and then especially if you can take your Dad out with you for a sail than it is so very worthwhile. You only get so many chances in life to do these things with a father and son. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:26 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette Kinda like older cars, it depends on how long you plan to hold on to it. 2 or 3 years probably not worth the hassle or investment of time and money. 10 or 20 probably. Besides, could you afford or justify a NEW boat? If not, then you are still just getting a used boat and someone else's problems. Buying used is almost always a compromise between value and hassles. I can usually deal with hassles. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 10, 2014 12:03 AM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
Dan, Welcome! I'd do a spreadsheet of costs over the next 24 months - sails? clean fuel tank, replace hoses, replace standing/running rigging? Electronics? Could you buy a better boat for that money? Probably not. It is impossible to value the sentimental value, but remember, no one else is going to pay for your memories. I hope it is worth the effort to preserve her and your memories! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: Kinda like older cars, it depends on how long you plan to hold on to it. 2 or 3 years probably not worth the hassle or investment of time and money. 10 or 20 probably. Besides, could you afford or justify a NEW boat? If not, then you are still just getting a used boat and someone else's problems. Buying used is almost always a compromise between value and hassles. I can usually deal with hassles. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 10, 2014 12:03 AM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
This is not a random old boat - this is his father's boat. The boat also does not seem to have major issues. I would give a huge YES to this project as well! If all goes well my son will be the third owner of Coquina so I can say it is a special treat to teach your kid(s) to sail on the same boat you grew up on :) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com COQUINA CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:26 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette Kinda like older cars, it depends on how long you plan to hold on to it. 2 or 3 years probably not worth the hassle or investment of time and money. 10 or 20 probably. Besides, could you afford or justify a NEW boat? If not, then you are still just getting a used boat and someone else's problems. Buying used is almost always a compromise between value and hassles. I can usually deal with hassles. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 10, 2014 12:03 AM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com mailto:d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
Dont scratch a scab and it wont bleed... On 4/10/14, Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com wrote: I am 100% certain at least one person on here thinks my job, my political views, and the country I live in are the root of all evil. Maybe all of you do for all I know! Unlike certain lists and forums, this place has been mostly free of off topic sniping and flame wars. The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. A certain place that is known for anarchy has some long-standing wars that have included people trying to get other people fired from their jobs and accusations of real life major crimes. I would love for this list to stay free of that stuff and humbly request that this kind of thing cease and desist. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I second that motion! (still smarting from the kill the lawyers thread last week!) I rely heavily, probably solely on this list for advice and humor, and I like to think that we share a common bond for our boats! Thanks Richard 1985 37 CB Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 9:30 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum I am 100% certain at least one person on here thinks my job, my political iews, and the country I live in are the root of all evil. Maybe all of you o for all I know! nlike certain lists and forums, this place has been mostly free of off opic sniping and flame wars. The worst outbreaks seem to be about old ports cars or inflatable cows. A certain place that is known for anarchy as some long-standing wars that have included people trying to get other eople fired from their jobs and accusations of real life major crimes. I would love for this list to stay free of that stuff and humbly request hat this kind of thing cease and desist. Joe Della Barba oquina __ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
Dan, you said are older boats worth the trouble?. Well, that depends on two things, you and the boat. First, if you enjoy working on them then the answer is yes. If you don't have the time, desire or resources then you may want to pass. Second, there are many, many brands of boats that, quite frankly, aren't worth restoring. CC's aren't one of them. CC's are great boats and if yours is sound, it is worth the effort. You've already received a few replies in the yes category and I'll add mine. I have spent thousands of hours restoring my 1971 35 and have enjoyed every minute. CC's are great boats. Further, you have lots of resources on this list to help you with projects. The collective experience on this list is very large. Many have done the very projects you contemplate. For instance, you mentioned soft decks. Members of this list have fixed that issue through both the drill and fill method and by a full peel, scrape and re-core, the two traditional repair methods. So, make your decision and, if you decide to restore theboat, ask questions. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wiring projects
In both cases the properly sized fuses protect the circuit wiring in the event of short circuit and protecting the attached component. In your first example a small amperage inline fuse is protecting the smaller/finer electronic wiring and the monitor component. Your breaker is likely a 15A one which could easily risk overheating or fire on a small gauge wire. In the second example, similar discussion but here there is no breaker in the picture and ABYC requires fusing of all circuits connected to the batteries. Again this protects the wiring assuming the wiring is sized to handle up to the 30A limit - check various sites to ensure your wiring is sized correctly based on the length of the run ... One could debate whether another fuse is required closer to the solar panel side also . I think getting some in-line fuses/holders is the easiest for both of these projects. ed From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:41 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List wiring projects I have two wiring projects to complete this weekend and I have questions about fuses: 1. The holding tank monitor I bought from Fred shows a fuse being wired between the power source and the monitor gauge. Since the power is coming from a breaker on the main panel, is there any reason to add this fuse as well? 2. I am also wiring my new solar panel to a Sunsaver Duo controller and then to the two batteries. Their diagram shows a 30A fuse wired between the Duo and each battery. They did not supply these fuses with the kit. Is there a rationale for those fuses? Thanks- Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
Gordon, Most rod failures happen at the head. Many on this list have opted to have the existing rod re-headed. This will shorten the rod and may require the addition of a toggle but the cost of re-heading may be close to or less than replacing with wire. Rod rigging will keep the resale value higher than wire rigging. If there is a Navtec vendor in your area, if is fairly easy to remove the rod, coil it to no LESS than 200 times diameter, and carry or ship it to have it re-headed. The vendor will tell you if there are problems with the rod. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:56 PM, CATHY DE PONT reiddep...@shaw.ca wrote: Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there any regrets? Are there any other pros and cons? This is a cruising boat so speed is not critical. Many thanks, Gordon on Lorikeet based in Sidney, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I would love for this list to stay free of that stuff and humbly request that this kind of thing cease and desist. YES! Joel On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: I second that motion! (still smarting from the kill the lawyers thread last week!) I rely heavily, probably solely on this list for advice and humor, and I like to think that we share a common bond for our boats! Thanks Richard 1985 37 CB Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 9:30 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum I am 100% certain at least one person on here thinks my job, my political views, and the country I live in are the root of all evil. Maybe all of you do for all I know! Unlike certain lists and forums, this place has been mostly free of off topic sniping and flame wars. The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. A certain place that is known for anarchy has some long-standing wars that have included people trying to get other people fired from their jobs and accusations of real life major crimes. I would love for this list to stay free of that stuff and humbly request that this kind of thing cease and desist. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Albumhttp://www.cncphotoalbum.comcnc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
... I could move on but two fee of ice and two feet of snow has moving harbours challenging. ... On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
... I could move on but two fee of ice and two feet of snow has moving harbours challenging. ... On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
Navtec recommends that rod be re-headed every 10 years. I think the cost was about $2,000 3 years ago. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Gordon, Most rod failures happen at the head. Many on this list have opted to have the existing rod re-headed. This will shorten the rod and may require the addition of a toggle but the cost of re-heading may be close to or less than replacing with wire. Rod rigging will keep the resale value higher than wire rigging. If there is a Navtec vendor in your area, if is fairly easy to remove the rod, coil it to no LESS than 200 times diameter, and carry or ship it to have it re-headed. The vendor will tell you if there are problems with the rod. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:56 PM, CATHY DE PONT reiddep...@shaw.ca wrote: Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there any regrets? Are there any other pros and cons? This is a cruising boat so speed is not critical. Many thanks, Gordon on Lorikeet based in Sidney, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wiring projects
Dave, I also bought one of these monitors from Fred and installed it last weekend. It was very easy to wire the fuse in the power supply lead, right behind the little panel of the monitor. Obviously it is a much lower amp fuse than the one in your main panel (I assume), so it will blow when something just goes wrong with the monitor. In Cat's Paw, the same power lead up to the head also supplies the macerator, which is fairly high current, so that main fuse will not protect the monitor. It's so easy to include the little fuse (just like the voltage regular that came with the monitor) that I see no reason not to do it. It's hard to imagine that the solar panel will suddenly provide 30 Amps and blow the fuse. But if the output circuitry of the controller shorted out, you would have a direct connection from your battery to the controller. That would be a huge current and could cause a fire. So I would include the fuse between each controller output and its battery. Again, it is easy to put in a little fuse (maybe twice the current rating of the max charging current from your solar charger) in series with these leads. I put this fuse between each controller output and the big red battery switch (to the terminals connected directly to the battery). If you already have a fuse between the battery and the red switch, this is less important, but you could install a much smaller fuse between the controller and the battery switch so it would blow if the controller output shorted out without messing up your boat's connection to the battery. Eric, CC 35 MkII From: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com To: CnC CnC discussion list CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List wiring projects Message-ID: 2f69cb55-c31a-4031-901f-ae6ca4284...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have two wiring projects to complete this weekend and I have questions about fuses: 1. The holding tank monitor I bought from Fred shows a fuse being wired between the power source and the monitor gauge. Since the power is coming from a breaker on the main panel, is there any reason to add this fuse as well? 2. I am also wiring my new solar panel to a Sunsaver Duo controller and then to the two batteries. Their diagram shows a 30A fuse wired between the Duo and each battery. They did not supply these fuses with the kit. Is there a rationale for those fuses? Thanks- Dave ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
That must be a mutant Ninja cow...? Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:55, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
It’s a Trunk-aided Cow Tim Toronto -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:30 AM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum That must be a mutant Ninja cow...? Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:55, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnoticehttp://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et réception de courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalités énoncées dans l’avis publié à www.rogers.com/aviscourriel http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I've only been on the list a few years but it's my favourite place on the *entire* internet to look for help. I'm going to take this opportunity to thank you all for the valuable advice you've offered me during my time here. It's a great list and I'm all in favour of keeping it that way. I'll go one step further actually. This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. CC is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable. I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Tim Sippel tim.sip...@rci.rogers.comwrote: It's a Trunk-aided Cow Tim Toronto -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:30 AM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum That must be a mutant Ninja cow...? Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:55, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice http://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et réception de courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalités énoncées dans l'avis publié à www.rogers.com/aviscourriel http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List list decorum and now Brand Support
Speaking of brand support... A heads up for all those who calendar things waaay in advance. We are planning the annual NE C C Rendezvous for September 19-21st, located in Newport, RI. Not only is Newport an obvious great choice for a destination but the new owners of C C, Waterline Systems, will be very much involved. Factory tours, test sails and perhaps a cocktail hour? Details to follow. Logistical details are still being worked out by a very connected local on the ground. We welcome all volunteers for additional assistance. Especially the website. Hope to see you there. Website should be up and running in May (even if very imperfectly executed again by yours truly). David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:58:51 -0400 From: stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum I've only been on the list a few years but it's my favourite place on the entire internet to look for help. I'm going to take this opportunity to thank you all for the valuable advice you've offered me during my time here. It's a great list and I'm all in favour of keeping it that way. I'll go one step further actually. This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. CC is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable. I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. SteveSuhana, CC 32Toronto On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Tim Sippel tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com wrote: It’s a Trunk-aided Cow Tim Toronto -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:30 AM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum That must be a mutant Ninja cow...? Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:55, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnoticehttp://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et réception de courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalités énoncées dans l’avis publié à www.rogers.com/aviscourriel http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
Careful, he’ll start charging us for it so he can replenish the tequila fund… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List list decorum and now Brand Support
Really! That blue celephant has me worried... Rich LF38 On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:16, David davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List 38 Landfall asymmetrical spinnaker
Hi, I am looking into getting an asymmetrical spinnaker for my 38 LF. I have received a few quotes from different vendors each suggesting a slightly different size chutes.National Sails has the better price which includes a dousing sock, but it is a smaller chute. So my question is what size asymmetrical spinnakers are other 38 LF using? Has anyone tried a National Sail spinnaker with their dousing sock? National Sail: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, luff 47.9', leech 43.79', foot 24', pre-installed in dousing socks and discount priced at $1,798 FX Sails: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, Sail Area: 1185 sq ft, (includes turtle bag) $2,418 Precision Sails: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, luff 51.5', leech 47', foot 27.5', Sail Area: 1200 sq ft, (no turtle or sock) $2,328 Many thanks in advance. - Paul E. 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List list decorum and now Brand Support
Maybe it’s Ganesh… http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/ganesh.jpg Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Really! That blue celephant has me worried... Rich LF38 On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:16, David davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
Gordon has a CC 30-2. The field replaceability of wire vs rod is really no longer valid. A piece of spectra long enough to replace any stay will replace any damaged rod, and it can be spliced in place easily without any special fittings. Because of the major difference in cost, I would be seriously contemplating replacing my rod with wire on PShift. Whether I went with wire or rod, I would have to replace the turnbuckles, etc. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 April 2014 07:05, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Navtec recommends that rod be re-headed every 10 years. I think the cost was about $2,000 3 years ago. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Gordon, Most rod failures happen at the head. Many on this list have opted to have the existing rod re-headed. This will shorten the rod and may require the addition of a toggle but the cost of re-heading may be close to or less than replacing with wire. Rod rigging will keep the resale value higher than wire rigging. If there is a Navtec vendor in your area, if is fairly easy to remove the rod, coil it to no LESS than 200 times diameter, and carry or ship it to have it re-headed. The vendor will tell you if there are problems with the rod. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:56 PM, CATHY DE PONT reiddep...@shaw.cawrote: Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there any regrets? Are there any other pros and cons? This is a cruising boat so speed is not critical. Many thanks, Gordon on Lorikeet based in Sidney, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wiring projects
David — you’ve already gotten good replies from two sources, and both are correct. You need the 30A fuses on the solar install, and THEY NEED TO BE CLOSE TO THE BATTERY! ABYC says within seven inches of the connection point, unless you put a protective sheath over the wire from the battery; then you can go up to 36”. I’d suggest using the plastic ATO automotive-style fuses over the glass type. You can get waterproof ATO fuse holders online from several sources, but these are probably going to be your best bet: http://www.bluesea.com/products/5065/Waterproof_In-Line_ATO_ATC_Fuse_holder And the fuse ahead of the power on the tank monitor, as stated before, is to protect the smaller 18ga wire on the system. Again, just put an inline ATO fuse behind the panel and be done with it. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 7:41 AM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: I have two wiring projects to complete this weekend and I have questions about fuses: 1. The holding tank monitor I bought from Fred shows a fuse being wired between the power source and the monitor gauge. Since the power is coming from a breaker on the main panel, is there any reason to add this fuse as well? 2. I am also wiring my new solar panel to a Sunsaver Duo controller and then to the two batteries. Their diagram shows a 30A fuse wired between the Duo and each battery. They did not supply these fuses with the kit. Is there a rationale for those fuses? Thanks- Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again)
I used to use Super Lube...until one day I noticed that everything that I had lubed had a crusty gooey coating where there used to be lube. Took me forever to clean it off, I have never used it since. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 20:06, Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net wrote: I use SuperLube, a food grade, synthetic you can find at McMasterCarr or some hardware stores. Supposed to be OK with plastics or any materials. -- *From: *Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com *To: *1 CnC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:27:45 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Sheer *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 38 Landfall asymmetrical spinnaker
Paul Couple thoughts: National Sail is Rolly Tasker's agent. FWIW I think they are a great value. I'm surprised they all went with 1.5 ounce fabric. .75 ounce is enough for most cruisers. Even the smaller chute is probably way bigger than any jib you use. I would not worry about it. You will be able to see under it. You will need sheets that are about 80 feet each! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am looking into getting an asymmetrical spinnaker for my 38 LF. I have received a few quotes from different vendors each suggesting a slightly different size chutes.National Sails has the better price which includes a dousing sock, but it is a smaller chute. So my question is what size asymmetrical spinnakers are other 38 LF using? Has anyone tried a National Sail spinnaker with their dousing sock? National Sail: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, luff 47.9', leech 43.79', foot 24', pre-installed in dousing socks and discount priced at $1,798 FX Sails: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, Sail Area: 1185 sq ft, (includes turtle bag) $2,418 Precision Sails: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, luff 51.5', leech 47', foot 27.5', Sail Area: 1200 sq ft, (no turtle or sock) $2,328 Many thanks in advance. - Paul E. 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Wally's been on the high seas for a while now, so you just might be right. Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:36, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Maybe it’s Ganesh… http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/ganesh.jpg Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Really! That blue celephant has me worried... Rich LF38 On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:16, David davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 38 Landfall asymmetrical spinnaker
Paul, Before you go any further in your quest, I have a brand new in the sleeve North A symmetrical for a 38 Landfall. My boat was a 1982 #125. Give me a few days to provide measurements although all 38 Landfalls may be the same. I'm sure there are listers who might provide information to the contrary. I am not qualified to argue otherwise. If you like contact me off list and we can discuss it at length. Thank, Ray Shibe rsh...@optonline.net On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, dre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am looking into getting an asymmetrical spinnaker for my 38 LF. I have received a few quotes from different vendors each suggesting a slightly different size chutes. National Sails has the better price which includes a dousing sock, but it is a smaller chute. So my question is what size asymmetrical spinnakers are other 38 LF using? Has anyone tried a National Sail spinnaker with their dousing sock? National Sail: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, luff 47.9', leech 43.79', foot 24', pre-installed in dousing socks and discount priced at $1,798 FX Sails: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, Sail Area: 1185 sq ft, (includes turtle bag) $2,418 Precision Sails: asymmetrical spinnakers in 1.5oz, luff 51.5', leech 47', foot 27.5', Sail Area: 1200 sq ft, (no turtle or sock) $2,328 Many thanks in advance. - Paul E. 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wiring projects
David, keep in mind that you always want to protect the wiring (or actually, against the wire failure (short)). I wood recommend installing fuses directly on the battery terminals (have a look at this: http://ca.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=8934 ). There are also fuse blocks like that with two fuses attached (you can put different fuses on each terminal, e.g. a 200 A on the starter circuit and 20 A for the accessories (or the solar panel)). If I remember correctly, ABYC requires that all battery cables are protected within 7 in. from the battery (why 7 and not e.g. 6?). These fuse blocks protect the wires within the first inch. The only problem you may find is that they add a little bit to the height of the battery, so if you don’t have enough clearance above the battery, you may need a different solution. Marek (in Ottawa) From: Prime Interest Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List wiring projects In both cases the properly sized fuses protect the circuit wiring in the event of short circuit and protecting the attached component. In your first example a small amperage inline fuse is protecting the smaller/finer electronic wiring and the monitor component. Your breaker is likely a 15A one which could easily risk overheating or fire on a small gauge wire. In the second example, similar discussion but here there is no breaker in the picture and ABYC requires fusing of all circuits connected to the batteries. Again this protects the wiring assuming the wiring is sized to handle up to the 30A limit – check various sites to ensure your wiring is sized correctly based on the length of the run ... One could debate whether another fuse is required closer to the solar panel side also … I think getting some in-line fuses/holders is the easiest for both of these projects. ed From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:41 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List wiring projects I have two wiring projects to complete this weekend and I have questions about fuses: 1. The holding tank monitor I bought from Fred shows a fuse being wired between the power source and the monitor gauge. Since the power is coming from a breaker on the main panel, is there any reason to add this fuse as well? 2. I am also wiring my new solar panel to a Sunsaver Duo controller and then to the two batteries. Their diagram shows a 30A fuse wired between the Duo and each battery. They did not supply these fuses with the kit. Is there a rationale for those fuses? Thanks- Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com image001.png___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
Thanks all for the encouraging words and ideas I'm real excited about this project and enjoy the work involved I think I have a good plan of attack to get this old girl in the water by mid June I do plan on keeping it for some years and restoring it over time so see you on the water ! Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again)
I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sheer Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com image001.gif___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
You're already ahead of the curve. Most of us paid to buy our boats and still had to do many of the projects on your list. I wouldn't focus on the niceties until she's sailing. Forget about the plumbing for example until the rest of the stuff is sorted out. She'll sail just fine without a working head. Before running out and replacing the standing rigging I would have a rigger check it out. I bet you can get her on the water without too much expense. You should see some of the clunkers people sail out of my club. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Thanks all for the encouraging words and ideas I'm real excited about this project and enjoy the work involved I think I have a good plan of attack to get this old girl in the water by mid June I do plan on keeping it for some years and restoring it over time so see you on the water ! Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
Dan, I am underway with similar repairs right now on our 1971 CC 43. I agree with the answers already posted on this type of project being worth the time and money on a 1970 CC, especially if you enjoy restoring a classic with long term family connections. CC's of the early 70's were built at several yards. Each yard may have had a slightly different way of laminating the balsa into the deck structure. Calypso was built at Bruckmann's yard in 69/70 launched January 1971. Bruckmann's build team was able to get resin in between many of the balsa blocks, a process that helps contain water damage. Let me know if you want some pictures of how we (the co-owners) of Calypso have approached repairing wet balsa core deck. I have not posted them on the cncphotoalbum web site as they are not particularly good pics, but may be helpful as you start out. Also, search back through the cncphotoalbum's Email list archives. Wet balsa repairs are a common topic. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan Grant Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 9:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water for five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit but..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family out I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are wet Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been sitting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on the restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Re;1970 C + C 31ft Corvette (Dan Grant)
Hi, Old boats are worth the effort if it's a labor of love and you won't get stressed or take on so much you can't sail more than work on her. As to the cored deck being wet, is there physical damage (spongy or de-laminated) or did the moisture meter readings just come in high? It might just be something to keep an eye on and worry about later if it starts to delaminate or get spongy. To paraphrase Rob Ball (CC designer) when he answered a question last summer about cored decks... 'Ok, so the core is wet, lots of boats have wet cores, now what? If there is no serious de-lamination who cares? Spend a fortune to fix a damp core or sail the boat for another decade, maybe longer?' I would, however, try yo find the leak and fix it. So here is my opinion, FWIW; If you are not going off cruising or taking it on a passage, then the question is, can you get the thing in the water and sailing this summer? If so, than just do it. Take the projects one at a time, it does not matter what you buy, you WILL have projects. If you like sailing that boat and it costs you a couple of grand to get it moving through the water, AND you are going to sail her then it's a bargain. Two years ago I sold me 72 30MKI for 7K and paid 27K for a 87 30MKII. I love my new boat but I don't sail it any more than my last one. I spent 20K for a shower, propane and a more comfortable layout. My new boat is faster in light air, but In reality, my old boat was a little more fun to sail as it was so much stiffer in a breeze. I don't regret my decision one bit, but on paper it looks kind of silly. Oh, and I still have projects. Sail on... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sheer Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List rod vs wire keeps value higher?
have found a number of buyers who will not purchase rod boats or will deduct cost of replacement to wire from purchase pricethis is prevelent on great lakes also on west coastas to racing, wire can be just good as rod with right hydralics or mechanical devices...also we found with many race courses ..upwind starts...rest of legs off wind or beam reaches..fine tuning the rig best with wire..contrary to some experts upwind not where races won but at start and then downwind..having won more than our share of races in big boat series cca,ior 1,2,3 3a,phrf.as well as around the buoys in average size division 41cnc..this may give the experts a chance to comment... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
Dan, please be sure to send updates, and photos, if possible of your progress! Thanks! Richard 1985 37 CB Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dan Grant d...@runbox.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette Thanks all for the encouraging words and ideas 'm real excited about this project and enjoy the work involved think I have a good plan of attack to get this old girl in the water by mid une do plan on keeping it for some years and restoring it over time so see you on he water ! hanks Dan ent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Dan Grant d...@runbox.com wrote: Hello all so my dad gave me this boat and its in ok shape it's been out of the water or five years and needs to be updated I am pretty sure I'm on top of it I sailed this boat with my dad during my early teens and know the boat a bit ut..now I'm 43 and getting back into it big time etc so I can take my family ut I just had a survey done and the hull is solid but a few parts of the deck are et Although there is no delamination I know I need to fix this There is a universal diesel m18 from 86 that is in great shape but its been itting for 5 yrs winterized well fuel in tank etc I am updating the head with holding tank etc 2 New marine batteries the wiring is all mostly in good shape My biggest question to you all is it worth it to restore an older boat? I don't want my fond memories of sailing this boat to cloud my judgement on he restoration Are older boats worth the trouble? New to the list Puffin 1970 C C corvette 31 hull # 148 Thanks Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
Bill has to have them this year or face dsq Either I am missing something or you are referring to rubber banding being illegal because of the trash in the water rule. This rule does not stipulate that you have to have these stops it in fact says you cannot use rubber bands. We just launch the chute out of the bag with no bands and no stops. Most of the boats in our area do this. I do not think that is illegal If you know of something I am missing in my interpretation please let me know. I would certainly rather not have these pieces of velcro strapping hanging off the luff of any of my spinnakers! Thanks Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
Bill, Are these specifically required or just to avoid having the yarn or rubber bands fall into the water and thus violate Rule 55? The sailing instructions for a race/regatta can modify Rule 55 requirements to allow bands or yarn which fall into the water. For the record, we never band our spinnakers, even the 1.5 ounce. We strive to hoist VERY quickly and not spread the clews in heavy air until the chute is 3/4 way up. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
Right you are Mike, I guess I am wrongly assuming everyone used bands. We do above 8 or 9 kts, and have to above 10 - 12 kts, so I just wasn't thinking. Just keep doing what you are doing. I would rather not have them hanging off my luffs also, but this seems to be the consensus. I am just going with the herd, because this is what we as humans have been conditioned to do. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops Bill has to have them this year or face dsq Either I am missing something or you are referring to rubber banding being illegal because of the trash in the water rule. This rule does not stipulate that you have to have these stops it in fact says you cannot use rubber bands. We just launch the chute out of the bag with no bands and no stops. Most of the boats in our area do this. I do not think that is illegal If you know of something I am missing in my interpretation please let me know. I would certainly rather not have these pieces of velcro strapping hanging off the luff of any of my spinnakers! Thanks Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
On our 40 we launch our chute double-handed without stops. We stopped using stops racing years ago. Bit of a PIA for the benefit Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com Date:04/10/2014 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops Bill has to have them this year or face dsq Either I am missing something or you are referring to rubber banding being illegal because of the trash in the water rule. This rule does not stipulate that you have to have these stops it in fact says you cannot use rubber bands. We just launch the chute out of the bag with no bands and no stops. Most of the boats in our area do this. I do not think that is illegal If you know of something I am missing in my interpretation please let me know. I would certainly rather not have these pieces of velcro strapping hanging off the luff of any of my spinnakers! Thanks Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
North and other sailmakers are now selling various solutions for this problem. I'm not looking forward to hoisting in a breeze without stops, but we do it often on the J30. In the meantime, I have 1,000 rubber bands on board for keeping plastic containers closed, and my Asym is on a furler. Joel 35/3 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, davidrisch75 davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: On our 40 we launch our chute double-handed without stops. We stopped using stops racing years ago. Bit of a PIA for the benefit Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Hoyt, Mike Date:04/10/2014 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops Bill *has to have them this year or face dsq* Either I am missing something or you are referring to rubber banding being illegal because of the trash in the water rule. This rule does not stipulate that you have to have these stops it in fact says you cannot use rubber bands. We just launch the chute out of the bag with no bands and no stops. Most of the boats in our area do this. I do not think that is illegal If you know of something I am missing in my interpretation please let me know. I would certainly rather not have these pieces of velcro strapping hanging off the luff of any of my spinnakers! Thanks Mike *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Coleman *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:21 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Spinnaker Stops I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again)
PYI recommends Lubriplate 130AA for MaxProps. I bought a case many years ago and it works fine. Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 14:43, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sheer Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
Frank — just so I understand: your 3QM is overheating? Does the engine run well otherwise? Before you go to all the trouble and expense of re-powering, find a really good diesel guy to look at your engine. I had a great guy do some work on my 3QM a few years back, and he told me the engines were originally built for hard, continuous use (industrial compressors and the like), and if properly maintained, they should last a very long time in a sailboat. I did find an issue with mine overheating a couple of seasons back. Because the fresh water heat exchanger is mounted to the engine at an angle, you can check the fluid level when the engine is off, and it will appear that the coolant level is fine. But with the engine running (and cool, so you don’t get burned), pull the fill cap and you’ll see that the system needs more coolant; it settles to the bottom end of the heat exchanger where the cap is when the pump isn’t running. You can also see if there’s much coolant running with the cap off. Other possible things to do: check the coolant pump impeller; rod out the passages in the heat exchanger; make sure you’ve got plenty of raw (sea) water running through; check the exhaust mixing elbow for build-up. And I’m sure other listers will add to this. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again)
Yes, I used that as well when I had a MaxProp, I think It came with it and worked fine. The Gori I have now is completely open, and that stuff washed right off. At least by the end of the season. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) PYI recommends Lubriplate 130AA for MaxProps. I bought a case many years ago and it works fine. Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 14:43, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sheer Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
There can be lots of simple reasons why an engine overheats. My Universal overheats if the belt is loose. Pull the hose from the mix elbow and see if you have good flow. If you do, maybe the elbow is clogged with soot. If you don't have good flow, work your way upstream until you find why. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.netwrote: Frank -- just so I understand: your 3QM is overheating? Does the engine run well otherwise? Before you go to all the trouble and expense of re-powering, find a really good diesel guy to look at your engine. I had a great guy do some work on my 3QM a few years back, and he told me the engines were originally built for hard, continuous use (industrial compressors and the like), and if properly maintained, they should last a *very* long time in a sailboat. I did find an issue with mine overheating a couple of seasons back. Because the fresh water heat exchanger is mounted to the engine at an angle, you can check the fluid level when the engine is off, and it will appear that the coolant level is fine. But with the engine running (and cool, so you don't get burned), pull the fill cap and you'll see that the system needs more coolant; it settles to the bottom end of the heat exchanger where the cap is when the pump isn't running. You can also see if there's much coolant running with the cap off. Other possible things to do: check the coolant pump impeller; rod out the passages in the heat exchanger; make sure you've got plenty of raw (sea) water running through; check the exhaust mixing elbow for build-up. And I'm sure other listers will add to this. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
I agree with Fred that a re-power is a very expensive solution to a relatively minor problem. The impeller and mixing elbow would be my first 2 suspects. Wally did a re-power and a windlass: http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/projlist.htm Joel 35/3 3GM30F Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.netwrote: Frank -- just so I understand: your 3QM is overheating? Does the engine run well otherwise? Before you go to all the trouble and expense of re-powering, find a really good diesel guy to look at your engine. I had a great guy do some work on my 3QM a few years back, and he told me the engines were originally built for hard, continuous use (industrial compressors and the like), and if properly maintained, they should last a *very* long time in a sailboat. I did find an issue with mine overheating a couple of seasons back. Because the fresh water heat exchanger is mounted to the engine at an angle, you can check the fluid level when the engine is off, and it will appear that the coolant level is fine. But with the engine running (and cool, so you don't get burned), pull the fill cap and you'll see that the system needs more coolant; it settles to the bottom end of the heat exchanger where the cap is when the pump isn't running. You can also see if there's much coolant running with the cap off. Other possible things to do: check the coolant pump impeller; rod out the passages in the heat exchanger; make sure you've got plenty of raw (sea) water running through; check the exhaust mixing elbow for build-up. And I'm sure other listers will add to this. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
Fred it was done and checked everyting and I still do not feel comfortable. I replaced Sunrod HE , new goose neck elbow, install external gravity tank so water level is always fine and still do not feel comfortable. What is the recommended engine and propeller size ? Thanks Frank Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Frank — just so I understand: your 3QM is overheating? Does the engine run well otherwise? Before you go to all the trouble and expense of re-powering, find a really good diesel guy to look at your engine. I had a great guy do some work on my 3QM a few years back, and he told me the engines were originally built for hard, continuous use (industrial compressors and the like), and if properly maintained, they should last a very long time in a sailboat. I did find an issue with mine overheating a couple of seasons back. Because the fresh water heat exchanger is mounted to the engine at an angle, you can check the fluid level when the engine is off, and it will appear that the coolant level is fine. But with the engine running (and cool, so you don’t get burned), pull the fill cap and you’ll see that the system needs more coolant; it settles to the bottom end of the heat exchanger where the cap is when the pump isn’t running. You can also see if there’s much coolant running with the cap off. Other possible things to do: check the coolant pump impeller; rod out the passages in the heat exchanger; make sure you’ve got plenty of raw (sea) water running through; check the exhaust mixing elbow for build-up. And I’m sure other listers will add to this. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
My 3QM30F will drive the boat just fine; I’ll have to check prop size and pitch when (or if?) I can get up to the boat for the first time this season. This is through a Paragon reversing gear and (Kanzaki?) v-drive. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: Fred it was done and checked everyting and I still do not feel comfortable. I replaced Sunrod HE , new goose neck elbow, install external gravity tank so water level is always fine and still do not feel comfortable. What is the recommended engine and propeller size ? Thanks Frank ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 anchor wondlass?
Frank, I just installed a Lewmar V-2 vertical windlass on an Island Packet 37 on the bowsprit. Probably not similar to your installation but just wanted to say I was impressed with the design and quality of the Lewmar windlass. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.comwrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Watts *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM *To:* 1 CnC List *Subject:* Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Sheer *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
Frank: I have owned my LF38 for 27 years and have made a lot of upgrades to it over the years. Since we both live in Annapolis, we should get together and discuss our boats and upgrades. I have decided against installing a windlass (at least for now) because of several reasons. My cell phone number is 443.994.1802--give me a call sometime! Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats.” -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
I have heard that engine coolant passages can get clogged or thermostat stuck. Did the over temp switch get changed when the hex was added? Did you check the switch for proper ops? IR point and shoot thermometers are cheap. I would shoot some temps to verify overtemp. Just my $0.02, Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD On Apr 10, 2014 2:15 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Watts *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM *To:* 1 CnC List *Subject:* Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Sheer *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
When I first got the boat I installed a new temp sending unit. I gave the engine model number and off I went. There after It overheated matter what I replaced cleaned or checked. Turns out is was a salt water temp not fresh. And the engine was retrofitted with a fresh water heat exchanger. Doh!!! Good suggestion to use a temp gun Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Date:04/10/2014 3:47 PM (GMT-05:00) To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass? I have heard that engine coolant passages can get clogged or thermostat stuck. Did the over temp switch get changed when the hex was added? Did you check the switch for proper ops? IR point and shoot thermometers are cheap. I would shoot some temps to verify overtemp. Just my $0.02, Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk Solomons, MD On Apr 10, 2014 2:15 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Watts *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM *To:* 1 CnC List *Subject:* Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Sheer *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
Bob I think that I been on your boat several years ago looking for autopilot under the deck and made some pics. I will call you Thanks again V/R Frank Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com wrote: Frank: I have owned my LF38 for 27 years and have made a lot of upgrades to it over the years. Since we both live in Annapolis, we should get together and discuss our boats and upgrades. I have decided against installing a windlass (at least for now) because of several reasons. My cell phone number is 443.994.1802--give me a call sometime! Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats.” -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
Fred My engine is with paragon vdrive. On the gear is name plate to use hydraulic fluid. Dealer told me to use lube oil sae 30 so I use since 20 years. What fluid is in your gear ? V/R Frank Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: My 3QM30F will drive the boat just fine; I’ll have to check prop size and pitch when (or if?) I can get up to the boat for the first time this season. This is through a Paragon reversing gear and (Kanzaki?) v-drive. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: Fred it was done and checked everyting and I still do not feel comfortable. I replaced Sunrod HE , new goose neck elbow, install external gravity tank so water level is always fine and still do not feel comfortable. What is the recommended engine and propeller size ? Thanks Frank ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply CC owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a CC owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your CC ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats.” -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Re;1970 C + C 31ft Corvette (Dan Grant)
Robert Gallagher: *My CC 30MK! was a pleasure to restore and you are right it is a joy to sail specially in a good breeze. light wind not so much. * *The boat cost my $2500. the refit cost around 12 grand. Well worth the boat. But i'm keeping her for 15 years or so otherwise* * I would not have done it. The boat would sell for $27,500 to 30, grand so it was not a good investment in stuff. but a great investment in time.* On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Old boats are worth the effort if it's a labor of love and you won't get stressed or take on so much you can't sail more than work on her. As to the cored deck being wet, is there physical damage (spongy or de-laminated) or did the moisture meter readings just come in high? It might just be something to keep an eye on and worry about later if it starts to delaminate or get spongy. To paraphrase Rob Ball (CC designer) when he answered a question last summer about cored decks... 'Ok, so the core is wet, lots of boats have wet cores, now what? If there is no serious de-lamination who cares? Spend a fortune to fix a damp core or sail the boat for another decade, maybe longer?' I would, however, try yo find the leak and fix it. So here is my opinion, FWIW; If you are not going off cruising or taking it on a passage, then the question is, can you get the thing in the water and sailing this summer? If so, than just do it. Take the projects one at a time, it does not matter what you buy, you WILL have projects. If you like sailing that boat and it costs you a couple of grand to get it moving through the water, AND you are going to sail her then it's a bargain. Two years ago I sold me 72 30MKI for 7K and paid 27K for a 87 30MKII. I love my new boat but I don't sail it any more than my last one. I spent 20K for a shower, propane and a more comfortable layout. My new boat is faster in light air, but In reality, my old boat was a little more fun to sail as it was so much stiffer in a breeze. I don't regret my decision one bit, but on paper it looks kind of silly. Oh, and I still have projects. Sail on... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 anchor wondlass?
Dennis Thanks Lewmar had great product but IS 37 is much larger boat. V /R Frank Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, I just installed a Lewmar V-2 vertical windlass on an Island Packet 37 on the bowsprit. Probably not similar to your installation but just wanted to say I was impressed with the design and quality of the Lewmar windlass. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: I wish you had posted this a month ago! I just bought two different kinds of Lubriplate waterproof grease to lather up my prop gears (which are exposed) So far none have survived the summer. This looks like it might stay. Bill Coleman CC 39 image001.gif From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:28 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) If it's a bearing, it's plastic, probably Delrin (Acetal). Teflon grease is wax-based, so safe on either. Star Brite has a tub of Teflon grease for not too stupid a price. http://www.starbrite.com/item/white-ptef-lubricant Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 9 April 2014 09:29, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: On the 35 there is no bearing. It is just a metal shaft in a fiberglass tube. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sheer Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again) Anybody know whether the bearing is metal or plastic? Trying to figure out what grease to use. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
Bob, I suspect some of us just don't bother to edit our sig blocks. Being a CC owner is enough to brag about! We know whose advise to trust, and it has no relationship to formal education or job title. You are correct that being lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors does not make us knowledgeable about our boats. Crawling in the bilge, reading equipment manuals and learning by asking, watching and doing makes us knowledgeable. If I ever need a chiropractor in Bedford Canada, at least I'll know one! See you on the Bay! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com wrote: I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply CC owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a CC owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your CC ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats. -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
The Paragon is not the v-drive, just the reversing gear; and I use straight 30 SAE oil in it, per the manual. I’ve posted the manual on my server — you can download it here: www.postaudio.net/webserver/Paragon_manual.pdf See page 5 for the recommended lube. I believe the separate v-drive wants hydraulic fluid. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: Fred My engine is with paragon vdrive. On the gear is name plate to use hydraulic fluid. Dealer told me to use lube oil sae 30 so I use since 20 years. What fluid is in your gear ? V/R Frank Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: My 3QM30F will drive the boat just fine; I’ll have to check prop size and pitch when (or if?) I can get up to the boat for the first time this season. This is through a Paragon reversing gear and (Kanzaki?) v-drive. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 10, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: Fred it was done and checked everyting and I still do not feel comfortable. I replaced Sunrod HE , new goose neck elbow, install external gravity tank so water level is always fine and still do not feel comfortable. What is the recommended engine and propeller size ? Thanks Frank ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
For those who are interested, here are links to three short videos of North Sails' version. North calls them STOP TABS(tm), they recommend them for medium to large downwind sails. The system is virtually the same as UK's, perhaps a bit more refined as the tab retracts inside the luff tape when the sail is opened, no bits of elastic flapping around like you have with UK's solution. http://vimeo.com/89935670 - North Sails retractable STOP TABS - Packing the chute. http://vimeo.com/89935671 - North Sails retractable STOP TABS - Hoisting in 8 kts http://vimeo.com/89936003 - North Sails retractable STOP TABS - Clean luff tack No, I don't work for North. ;-) Ken H. On 10 April 2014 15:53, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: North and other sailmakers are now selling various solutions for this problem. I'm not looking forward to hoisting in a breeze without stops, but we do it often on the J30. In the meantime, I have 1,000 rubber bands on board for keeping plastic containers closed, and my Asym is on a furler. Joel 35/3 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, davidrisch75 davidrisc...@msn.comwrote: On our 40 we launch our chute double-handed without stops. We stopped using stops racing years ago. Bit of a PIA for the benefit Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Hoyt, Mike Date:04/10/2014 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops Bill *has to have them this year or face dsq* Either I am missing something or you are referring to rubber banding being illegal because of the trash in the water rule. This rule does not stipulate that you have to have these stops it in fact says you cannot use rubber bands. We just launch the chute out of the bag with no bands and no stops. Most of the boats in our area do this. I do not think that is illegal If you know of something I am missing in my interpretation please let me know. I would certainly rather not have these pieces of velcro strapping hanging off the luff of any of my spinnakers! Thanks Mike *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Coleman *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:21 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Spinnaker Stops I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass?
Hi, I also agree. When checking the rate of flow from the hose put output water into a 5 gal bucket. The Yanmar 3QM30 manual states that the flow rate at 1400 rpm should be 800 l/hr or 3.5 gal/min. - Paul E. 1981 CC 38 LF S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:47 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:15:13 -0500 From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Repower LF 38 and anchor wondlass? Message-ID: CANir+yvBwk-LkO8Z=FjqNm-49zo2o1nQC=8mxyhlm+dgcvq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There can be lots of simple reasons why an engine overheats. My Universal overheats if the belt is loose. Pull the hose from the mix elbow and see if you have good flow. If you do, maybe the elbow is clogged with soot. If you don't have good flow, work your way upstream until you find why. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
If you are smart like I think you are your smart brain will tell you that you don't need one.weigh the risks, maybe a gentle massage would be an option _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: April 10, 2014 5:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Bob, I suspect some of us just don't bother to edit our sig blocks. Being a CC owner is enough to brag about! We know whose advise to trust, and it has no relationship to formal education or job title. You are correct that being lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors does not make us knowledgeable about our boats. Crawling in the bilge, reading equipment manuals and learning by asking, watching and doing makes us knowledgeable. If I ever need a chiropractor in Bedford Canada, at least I'll know one! See you on the Bay! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com wrote: I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply CC owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a CC owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your CC ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats. -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod vs wire keeps value higher?
Jimmy, I thought the benefit of rod was not so much on the adjustment, but on the reduced weight and windage, which would be beneficial on upwind and reaches, and to a lesser extent downwind, from less pitching moment (similar to weight in the ends of the boats). Tim Mojito CC 35-3 (with rod rigging that may need the answer to this question in a few years) Branford, CT On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.comwrote: have found a number of buyers who will not purchase rod boats or will deduct cost of replacement to wire from purchase pricethis is prevelent on great lakes also on west coastas to racing, wire can be just good as rod with right hydralics or mechanical devices...also we found with many race courses ..upwind starts...rest of legs off wind or beam reaches..fine tuning the rig best with wire..contrary to some experts upwind not where races won but at start and then downwind..having won more than our share of races in big boat series cca,ior 1,2,3 3a,phrf.as well as around the buoys in average size division 41cnc..this may give the experts a chance to comment... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops
Whoa, that is great, I had not seen those before! I'd like to see those up close, looks like the entire little bungee cord disappears - That is great, thanks Ken - This is a case of where environmentalists force us to be better people, and we get a better system in the deal - Does anyone need a few thousand rubber bands? Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 4:42 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops For those who are interested, here are links to three short videos of North Sails' version. North calls them STOP TABST, they recommend them for medium to large downwind sails. The system is virtually the same as UK's, perhaps a bit more refined as the tab retracts inside the luff tape when the sail is opened, no bits of elastic flapping around like you have with UK's solution. http://vimeo.com/89935670 - North Sails retractable STOP TABS - Packing the chute. http://vimeo.com/89935671 - North Sails retractable STOP TABS - Hoisting in 8 kts http://vimeo.com/89936003 - North Sails retractable STOP TABS - Clean luff tack No, I don't work for North. ;-) Ken H. On 10 April 2014 15:53, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: North and other sailmakers are now selling various solutions for this problem. I'm not looking forward to hoisting in a breeze without stops, but we do it often on the J30. In the meantime, I have 1,000 rubber bands on board for keeping plastic containers closed, and my Asym is on a furler. Joel 35/3 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM, davidrisch75 davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: On our 40 we launch our chute double-handed without stops. We stopped using stops racing years ago. Bit of a PIA for the benefit Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Hoyt, Mike Date:04/10/2014 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops Bill has to have them this year or face dsq Either I am missing something or you are referring to rubber banding being illegal because of the trash in the water rule. This rule does not stipulate that you have to have these stops it in fact says you cannot use rubber bands. We just launch the chute out of the bag with no bands and no stops. Most of the boats in our area do this. I do not think that is illegal If you know of something I am missing in my interpretation please let me know. I would certainly rather not have these pieces of velcro strapping hanging off the luff of any of my spinnakers! Thanks Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:21 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Spinnaker Stops I just sent this to Sailrite yesterday, and unfortunately they were unimpressed. I can't find spinnaker stops on your site, am I looking wrong, or do you not have them yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ6DteTOZ7Ifeature=youtu.be feature=youtu.be Everyone who races starting 2014 has to have them this year, or face disqualification. There are tens of thousands of spinnakers that will need to be modified. If there was some type of fastener like a self piercing tiny grommet, or something that could be set and flared with a hammer or something . . . something simple. I supposed even sewing them by hand on a home sewing machine wouldn't be a big deal. I think regular Velcro may not release easy enough, it may be a certain type. I have not seen any of these from the major sailmakers to verify what they use. Their response was No, we do not have spinnaker stops, but you can easily make them using Velcro and webbing or elastic So, looks like I am on my own. I think it would have to be a pretty weak Velcro so your spinnaker actually pops open. Does anyone have any good ideas or inside info on this? First race in less than a month! Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 tel:301%20541%208551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I land firmly in the category of "not editing my signature". Apologize for any offense. Not like I'm trying to draw any business off this list where people are scattered across the continent - with maybe a couple people within driving distance. (If throwing my clinic name out to this list is my best marketing trickwell I'm gonna have bigger issues than trying to name my boat!) Nor am I under the misconception that my title/degrees make me more knowledgeable --- I think several of the questions I have asked this list have cleared up any confusion on that topic! --BTW - did get a new fuel tank - cut open the old tank that had the small leak and yes, few more spots were getting thin looking from the inside!!! Glad I went for total replacement Mark I will see if I can get my signature line to change based on which list I'm interacting with There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 10/04/2014 5:30 PM, Joel Aronson wrote: Bob, I suspect some of us just don't bother to edit our sig blocks. Being a CC owner is enough to brag about! We know whose advise to trust, and it has no relationship to formal education or job title. You are correct that being "lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors" does not make us knowledgeable about our boats. Crawling in the bilge, reading equipment manuals and learning by asking, watching and doing makes us knowledgeable. If I ever need a chiropractor in Bedford Canada, at least I'll know one! See you on the Bay! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com wrote: I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply CC owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a CC owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your CC ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com "There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats. -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 1970 C + C 31ft Corvette
A note about plumbing: When I bought INDIGO, I found a piece of rubber hose joining the galley sink outlet to a through hull and ball valve assembly. I reached in to check the operation of the valve and, as I turned it, the valve rotated on the through hull and the rubber hose disintegrated completely. I replaced every piece of hose on the boat after that incident. Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 14:45, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't focus on the niceties until she's sailing. Forget about the plumbing for example until the rest of the stuff is sorted out. She'll sail just fine without a working head. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I totally agree. I would really hesitate to own an old boat with no active support community. Fixing anything unusual would be 50 times harder. It also holds true for the Atomic 4. Moyer Marine and Indigo do such a great job supporting these engines they are easier to maintain now than when they were new. Moyer also runs a forum that provides excellent A4 advice. Given the lack of marine mechanics that care to do a good job or any job on these, this is a good thing. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:05 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum To quote Steve: I'll go one step further actually. - This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. CC is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable. This seems to me like a good time to remind everyone that Stu makes this all work (god bless him) and perhaps this would be a good time to make a small contribution toward defraying his costs to keep this list and website up and running. You can do that on the CC Photo album site here: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/chandlery_2/store.php?crn=226 Once you place your order and go through the checkout you will receive an order confirmation email that offers a couple of payment options. Its easy and I'm sure Stu will appreciate the help. Ken H. On 10 April 2014 11:58, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I've only been on the list a few years but it's my favourite place on the entire internet to look for help. I'm going to take this opportunity to thank you all for the valuable advice you've offered me during my time here. It's a great list and I'm all in favour of keeping it that way. I'll go one step further actually. This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. CC is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable. I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Tim Sippel tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com mailto:tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com wrote: Its a Trunk-aided Cow Tim Toronto -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:30 AM To: w...@wbryant.com mailto:w...@wbryant.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum That must be a mutant Ninja cow...? Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:55, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com mailto:w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal On 4/10/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote: The worst outbreaks seem to be about old sports cars or inflatable cows. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice http://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice http://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et réception de courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalités énoncées dans lavis publié à www.rogers.com/aviscourriel http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 rudder post grease fitting (again)
The best waterproof grease I know of is Shell SRS 2000 or Shell SRS 2000 Extreme. I use it for my feathering prop (it is recommended by the manufacturer, J Prop). http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_local_TDS_1-30.pdf In my situation I am injecting it inside the housing of the prop using a grease gun so the application is different to what you will be doing but the stuff is thick and tenacious so it may work for you for the Gori. Ken H. On 10 April 2014 16:06, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote: Yes, I used that as well when I had a MaxProp, I think It came with it and worked fine. The Gori I have now is completely open, and that stuff washed right off. At least by the end of the season. Bill Coleman CC 39 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
Dwight, time to back off. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 April 2014 13:53, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: If you are smart like I think you are your smart brain will tell you that you don't need one...weigh the risks, maybe a gentle massage would be an option -- *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* April 10, 2014 5:30 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Bob, I suspect some of us just don't bother to edit our sig blocks. Being a CC owner is enough to brag about! We know whose advise to trust, and it has no relationship to formal education or job title. You are correct that being lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors does not make us knowledgeable about our boats. Crawling in the bilge, reading equipment manuals and learning by asking, watching and doing makes us knowledgeable. If I ever need a chiropractor in Bedford Canada, at least I'll know one! See you on the Bay! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com wrote: I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply CC owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a CC owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your CC ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats. -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rudder post grease fitting
I've never lubricated my rudder post. Where do I find the fitting?? Is it well below deck, or should I pry up the synthetic ring on the cockpit sole just above the rudder post, and look for it there? thanks, Pete W. CC30 MKII Deltaville, VA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
Thanks for the advice Jim, but I will make my own decisions and reserve the right on that.easy for you to say _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: April 10, 2014 6:55 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Dwight, time to back off. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 April 2014 13:53, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: If you are smart like I think you are your smart brain will tell you that you don't need one.weigh the risks, maybe a gentle massage would be an option _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: April 10, 2014 5:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Bob, I suspect some of us just don't bother to edit our sig blocks. Being a CC owner is enough to brag about! We know whose advise to trust, and it has no relationship to formal education or job title. You are correct that being lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors does not make us knowledgeable about our boats. Crawling in the bilge, reading equipment manuals and learning by asking, watching and doing makes us knowledgeable. If I ever need a chiropractor in Bedford Canada, at least I'll know one! See you on the Bay! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com wrote: I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply CC owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a CC owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your CC ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats. -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 tel:301%20541%208551 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
I am sure there is a chiropractor forum or list someplaceMight be a better place for this ;) Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Thanks for the advice Jim, but I will make my own decisions and reserve the right on that.easy for you to say _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Watts Sent: April 10, 2014 6:55 PM To: 1 CnC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Dwight, time to back off. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 April 2014 13:53, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: If you are smart like I think you are your smart brain will tell you that you don't need one.weigh the risks, maybe a gentle massage would be an option _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: April 10, 2014 5:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum Bob, I suspect some of us just don't bother to edit our sig blocks. Being a CC owner is enough to brag about! We know whose advise to trust, and it has no relationship to formal education or job title. You are correct that being lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors does not make us knowledgeable about our boats. Crawling in the bilge, reading equipment manuals and learning by asking, watching and doing makes us knowledgeable. If I ever need a chiropractor in Bedford Canada, at least I'll know one! See you on the Bay! Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com wrote: I completely agree with Joe on this issue! (Even though, I've just recently become more active on this list, I remember most of the same listers way back when this group was part of Sailnet.) I would like to add another aspect to Joe's list decorum: you should notice that Joe has never listed his title and/or business name on his listings--this is because it should have no importance whatsoever on this list--we are all simply CC owners! It shouldn't matter if we are lawyers, chiropractors, professors, or garbage collectors. I think if you have to add your professional credentials to the end of your listing on a CC owners forum, you are bragging about how important you think you are--no one here cares about your life outside of your CC ownership. Why don't we grow up a little and remove our ridiculous professional titles from this forum and save the bad attitudes toward some professions in the process? Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Annapolis, Maryland email: dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com http://dainyrays.blogspot.com There's nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as messing about in boats. -Kenneth Grahame ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 tel:301%20541%208551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rudder post grease fitting
Pete, If there is one, it is under the deck. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:54 PM, kelly petew kellype...@msn.com wrote: I've never lubricated my rudder post. Where do I find the fitting?? Is it well below deck, or should I pry up the synthetic ring on the cockpit sole just above the rudder post, and look for it there? thanks, Pete W. CC30 MKII Deltaville, VA ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List LF 38 anchor windlass?
I too am impressed with Lewmar windlass designs. We installed a Lewmar Oceans 2 on Calypso in 1999. It has seen some heavy duty during summer cruises including anchoring between 30ft and 100ft depths with 90' of chain/300' rode and a 60lb CQR anchor. I run the engine when raising the anchor to support the current draw. We use the capstan for hauling my 210lb carcass up the mast during spring maintenance. After 14 years, the only performance issue is paint flaking off the aluminum gear housing. The gear housing is in my garage now for a new coat of paint. Lewmar's design took service/repair into consideration as the gear housing and motor are easily removed from the capstan/wildcat deck assembly without leaving an open hole on deck. Back in 1992 I had a Lofrans horizontal windlass installed in the anchor locker of a 1980 CC 36. We added a shelf across the back of the anchor locker to hold the windlass. It was a tight fit but for light duty the combo worked fine. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:42 PM To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 anchor wondlass? Frank, I just installed a Lewmar V-2 vertical windlass on an Island Packet 37 on the bowsprit. Probably not similar to your installation but just wanted to say I was impressed with the design and quality of the Lewmar windlass. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Frank Woronkowicz fworonkow...@gmail.commailto:fworonkow...@gmail.com wrote: My boat has Yanmar 3QM30 with original added fresh water circ. jabsco pump and Sunrod HEx. overheating on the Chesapeake Bay. I think to replace engine and propeller. Please let me know if any LF owner already did this work and what is approx cost. The second question is windllas type and installation. Did anybody install windlass in anchor compartment? I have her for approx. 20 years and finally these should be done, Thanks Frank Woronkowicz LF 38 s/y Gdynia ANNAPOLIS MD fworonkow...@gmail.commailto:fworonkow...@gmail.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List List Problems
I recently received an email from our hosting company that indicates: Yahoo initiated a terrible policy change to their mail servers recently that impacts every single mailing list software in use. If any Yahoo.com user posts to your list, they will cause those list members are using Hotmail, Gmail, Bellsouth, etc to bounce the poster's message which can in turn cause the list to remove these members from the list for excessive bounces. The problem is with Yahoo. We recommend the following: 1. Unsubscribe those list members that Yahoo accounts. 2. Prevent any Yahoo.com subscriber from posting to your list until they subscribe with another non-Yahoo email address. There is no telling when Yahoo will fix this or if they ever will. Again this issue only affect where Yahoo.com users are allowed to post to the list. So the bottom line is – if you are using a Yahoo.com email account, may soon be dropped from our list. I suggest you get another email account and subscribe under that address. I do not have any recommendations at this time as to which emails are not affected. If I receive further info, I will pass it along. Stu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List Problems
I have been seeing some cnc-list emails in my Gmail spam box lately, always from Yahoo accounts. When I checked them they always looked like legitimate posts to the list. I was wondering what was going on. Ken H. On 10 April 2014 19:43, Stu s...@cncphotoalbum.com wrote: I recently received an email from our hosting company that indicates: Yahoo initiated a terrible policy change to their mail servers recently that impacts every single mailing list software in use. If any Yahoo.com user posts to your list, they will cause those list members are using Hotmail, Gmail, Bellsouth, etc to bounce the poster's message which can in turn cause the list to remove these members from the list for excessive bounces. The problem is with Yahoo. We recommend the following: 1. Unsubscribe those list members that Yahoo accounts. 2. Prevent any Yahoo.com subscriber from posting to your list until they subscribe with another non-Yahoo email address. There is no telling when Yahoo will fix this or if they ever will. Again this issue only affect where *Yahoo.com* users are allowed to post to the list. So the bottom line is - if you are using a Yahoo.com email account, may soon be dropped from our list. I suggest you get another email account and subscribe under that address. I do not have any recommendations at this time as to which emails are not affected. If I receive further info, I will pass it along. Stu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum
Joe You are 100% correct. Back in 2000 our friends bought a CC 25-1 that had been repowered in 1981 with a OMC Zephyr sail drive. All the local experts said that mechanics did not want to work on them. When the lower unit became holed by galvanic corrosion we attempted to find a replacement. This meant many hours of searching for phone numbers for marinas and calling around and just dropping in to various marinas and then by chanmce we came acorss somebody who knew of a boater that had repowered from an OMC Zephyr to something else and we managed to buy it. The next year I decided to set up a Yahoo group for saildrives and it is now self sustaining and has well over 500 members. It is the source of knowledge on these powerplants and ha probably saved an awful lot of people an awful lot of headaches. These lists are phenomenal. I would never hesitate to buy a boat with a Universal diesel for this reason and an Atomic 4 has probably more support than any other marine engine on the planet so same thing! Mike Not a CC but love the list Nut Case J/27 #150 sail 50757 (yeah - very much not a CC but a lot of other boats we had and sailed on were) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum I totally agree. I would really hesitate to own an old boat with no active support community. Fixing anything unusual would be 50 times harder. It also holds true for the Atomic 4. Moyer Marine and Indigo do such a great job supporting these engines they are easier to maintain now than when they were new. Moyer also runs a forum that provides excellent A4 advice. Given the lack of marine mechanics that care to do a good job or any job on these, this is a good thing. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:05 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum To quote Steve: I'll go one step further actually. - This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. CC is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable. This seems to me like a good time to remind everyone that Stu makes this all work (god bless him) and perhaps this would be a good time to make a small contribution toward defraying his costs to keep this list and website up and running. You can do that on the CC Photo album site here: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/chandlery_2/store.php?crn=226 Once you place your order and go through the checkout you will receive an order confirmation email that offers a couple of payment options. Its easy and I'm sure Stu will appreciate the help. Ken H. On 10 April 2014 11:58, Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com wrote: I've only been on the list a few years but it's my favourite place on the entire internet to look for help. I'm going to take this opportunity to thank you all for the valuable advice you've offered me during my time here. It's a great list and I'm all in favour of keeping it that way. I'll go one step further actually. This list keeps the value of our boats up, I really believe that. CC is still essentially a supported brand. When buyers are making purchasing decisions, knowing that there is a community of owners out there that are willing to help out is very valuable. I'll point to Wally's blog as an example, I firmly believe that his blog actually adds to the financial value of the CC Landfall 38. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Tim Sippel tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com wrote: It's a Trunk-aided Cow Tim Toronto -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 10:30 AM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic discussion - list decorum That must be a mutant Ninja cow...? Rich On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:55, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: I've moved on... http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/bS_1105/bs_006.jpg Big grins as usual. Wal
Stus-List rod vs wire
rod weight vs wire weight is not significantwindage not any real difference ..real problem with rod ,needs ends reworked about every 10 years...back in late 70s ...cnc introduced rod on inshore design models, as a marketing strategy...after using it on custom larger offshore models..it did seem to enhance the product sales...as a mass production builder.at the time it also worked out as cost saving measure..number offshore racing yachts in 70s 80s changed to wire again when switching from hydralics adjusters to new mechanical adjusters..and better wire choices...rod was a good marketing choice ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List List Problems
I switched from Yahoo to gmail several weeks ago. Finally got fed up with Yahoo. Each upgrade just made things worse. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Stu s...@cncphotoalbum.com wrote: I recently received an email from our hosting company that indicates: Yahoo initiated a terrible policy change to their mail servers recently that impacts every single mailing list software in use. If any Yahoo.com user posts to your list, they will cause those list members are using Hotmail, Gmail, Bellsouth, etc to bounce the poster's message which can in turn cause the list to remove these members from the list for excessive bounces. The problem is with Yahoo. We recommend the following: 1. Unsubscribe those list members that Yahoo accounts. 2. Prevent any Yahoo.com subscriber from posting to your list until they subscribe with another non-Yahoo email address. There is no telling when Yahoo will fix this or if they ever will. Again this issue only affect where *Yahoo.com* users are allowed to post to the list. So the bottom line is - if you are using a Yahoo.com email account, may soon be dropped from our list. I suggest you get another email account and subscribe under that address. I do not have any recommendations at this time as to which emails are not affected. If I receive further info, I will pass it along. Stu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List PROMOTING THIS FORUM
this forum helps to enhance cnc designsas such shouldnt we all endeavor to get more participantsif everyone recruited one more active user could ad lot of valuealso a suggestion every user should sign off. with..yacht model, yacht year mfg,could add name or harbour if wished ...any negatives on this idea ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List PROMOTING THIS FORUM
Recruit away. The list works best with lots of different viewpoints. - Original Message - From: Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:54:04 PM Subject: Stus-List PROMOTING THIS FORUM this forum helps to enhance cnc designsas such shouldnt we all endeavor to get more participantsif everyone recruited one more active user could ad lot of valuealso a suggestion every user should sign off. with..yacht model, yacht year mfg,could add name or harbour if wished ...any negatives on this idea ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List PROMOTING THIS FORUM
Jimmy, Sorry, my autosignoff did not print. I agree the need for more list members and keeping the list active. Chuck Scheaffer 1990 CC 34R Resolute New Gretna, NJ - Original Message - From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:58:34 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List PROMOTING THIS FORUM Recruit away. The list works best with lots of different viewpoints. - Original Message - From: Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:54:04 PM Subject: Stus-List PROMOTING THIS FORUM this forum helps to enhance cnc designsas such shouldnt we all endeavor to get more participantsif everyone recruited one more active user could ad lot of valuealso a suggestion every user should sign off. with..yacht model, yacht year mfg,could add name or harbour if wished ...any negatives on this idea ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod vs wire
Jimmy, the coefficient of elasticity of 1 x 19 wire of the same area as rod is 110 vs 190+ (nearly twice as stiff). I get your point about hydraulically vs mechanically operated backstays, but not shrouds. What am I missing? Thanks, Tim On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.comwrote: rod weight vs wire weight is not significantwindage not any real difference ..real problem with rod ,needs ends reworked about every 10 years...back in late 70s ...cnc introduced rod on inshore design models, as a marketing strategy...after using it on custom larger offshore models..it did seem to enhance the product sales...as a mass production builder.at the time it also worked out as cost saving measure..number offshore racing yachts in 70s 80s changed to wire again when switching from hydralics adjusters to new mechanical adjusters..and better wire choices...rod was a good marketing choice ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod vs wire
Just to throw some fuel on the fire, Bob Perry says that all the Valiant 40's came with rod rigging, most still have the original, and he's never heard of a rig failure. I do think that a good rod installation is better than wire in a lot of ways, it just costs more. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 10 April 2014 18:19, Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com wrote: Jimmy, the coefficient of elasticity of 1 x 19 wire of the same area as rod is 110 vs 190+ (nearly twice as stiff). I get your point about hydraulically vs mechanically operated backstays, but not shrouds. What am I missing? Thanks, Tim On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Jimmy Kelly kellyjimmy...@gmail.comwrote: rod weight vs wire weight is not significantwindage not any real difference ..real problem with rod ,needs ends reworked about every 10 years...back in late 70s ...cnc introduced rod on inshore design models, as a marketing strategy...after using it on custom larger offshore models..it did seem to enhance the product sales...as a mass production builder.at the time it also worked out as cost saving measure..number offshore racing yachts in 70s 80s changed to wire again when switching from hydralics adjusters to new mechanical adjusters..and better wire choices...rod was a good marketing choice ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
A couple of summers ago, while sailing in significant slop and 16 to 20 knot winds on Pamlico Sound, I heard a sound like a shot from a .22 and thought Crap, something just broke! The jump stay waving back and forth and banging into the mast certainly elevated the priority on the inspection I had wanted to give the rod rigging before going cruising. Was able to buy some replacement turnbuckle thimbles from Navtec to do temporary repairs and deliver the boat to the rigger. Navtec told me that for my 30 year old rod rigging, I should remove all the rod, ship it to them for nondestructive testing and to have the ends x-rayed, and they would rehead or replace as needed. When I talked to my rigger, the cost of new wire rigging was about a grand less than the cost of removal, shipping, and testing of the rod rigging. That's without reheading or replacing anything. I ended up using Dyform wire instead of conventional wire. The strand of Dyform wire are sort of pie shaped, so they pack metal into a smaller cross section than regular wire made of round strands. My Dyform rigging is only about 1/16th inch larger in diameter than the #10 rod, but actually about 1000 pounds greater tensile strength. Rigger used crimp fittings for the upper ends of the wires that attach to the existing mast tangs with the same sort of ball joints used for rod rigging, and used crimp on turnbuckles that are comparable to the ones used for the spreader tips on rod rigging. Lower end of each wire was cut to length at the boat and Norseman fittings were used to facilitate installation of shrouds and stays. If I had to do it again, I'd do the same thing. My rig is stronger than rod, it's new, it has almost the same weight and wind resistance as the old rod, and I saved at least a grand. I' a happy camper. Rick Brass CC 38 Imzadi Washington, NC Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 23:56, CATHY DE PONT reiddep...@shaw.ca wrote: Greetings: For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about $2000 more than switching to wire. Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there any regrets? Are there any other pros and cons? This is a cruising boat so speed is not critical. Many thanks, Gordon on Lorikeet based in Sidney, BC, Canada ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
