Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi,

I have a Xantrex Smart Charger that came with the boat. (TC20 or TC40 model
Installed in 2011 along with new "old school"  non-sealed  batteries).
It's definitely on the "very resonable" end of the price range for smart
chargers / batteries, honestly if I would have shopped for the setup I
would have probably sprung for more expensive stuff.

However, (Knock on wood)  It is completely "set and forget" automatic, and
works really well so far.  Last year I thought I had battery issues (1
start and 2 house)  so I took 'em to a shop to get them tested.  The
result:  They all tested 8-10% more than their "new" rated capacity.  The
guy said:  Whatever you do at the boat.. Keep doing it.

The problem was dirty connections..  A good clean-up with a metal brush and
coat of battery post protection stuff was all that was needed.

 Since it's worked so well before, whenever the boat connected to shore
power, the charger is on and I don't really pay any mind to the batteries
beyond the occasional check for clean / tight connections and electrolyte
level.

As for usage: Under prior ownership, the batteries' 1st couple years
consisted of mostly sitting at the dock unused, the charger was on 24 / 7
as far as I know.  So even with very infrequent use, it seems to have taken
real good care of the batteries.

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia

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Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair

[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have to take a look at the intake valves 
again. 

"He gonna gimme my ham, my ham, my ham! He gonna gimme my ham!" August Wilson's 
Hambone.

> On Aug 7, 2014, at 9:47 PM, "Ron Ricci"  wrote:
> 
> Brian,
>  
> I used the stuff from West Marine 
> (http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--inflatable-boat-sealant--444679) 
> a few months ago.  It works great!  My dinghy had a slow leak and required 
> pumping up every few weeks.  It has been two months since inflating my dinghy 
> and I have not had to use the pump. 
>  
> You do have to follow the directions and keep turning the dinghy over 
> (fore/aft & port/starboard) to coat the interior.  The liquid can be poured 
> in through the fill connections.  I have a West Marine dinghy which has three 
> capped connections with removable inserts that are used to let the air out.  
> They should be removed to fill the dinghy with the sealant.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ronald V. Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C&C 37+
> Bristol, RI
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>  
>  
> From: Brian Morrison [mailto:brianm...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair
>  
> Hello fellow CnCer’s,
>  
> I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I 
> purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no 
> dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak 
> in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through 
> the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several 
> questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the 
> sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you 
> have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product 
> and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Brian
>  
> Brian C. Morrison
> S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale
> 1979 C&C 34
> Baltimore, MD
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair

[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have to take a look at the intake valves 
again. 

"He gonna gimme my ham, my ham, my ham! He gonna gimme my ham!" August Wilson's 
Hambone.

> On Aug 7, 2014, at 9:47 PM, "Ron Ricci"  wrote:
> 
> Brian,
>  
> I used the stuff from West Marine 
> (http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--inflatable-boat-sealant--444679) 
> a few months ago.  It works great!  My dinghy had a slow leak and required 
> pumping up every few weeks.  It has been two months since inflating my dinghy 
> and I have not had to use the pump. 
>  
> You do have to follow the directions and keep turning the dinghy over 
> (fore/aft & port/starboard) to coat the interior.  The liquid can be poured 
> in through the fill connections.  I have a West Marine dinghy which has three 
> capped connections with removable inserts that are used to let the air out.  
> They should be removed to fill the dinghy with the sealant.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ronald V. Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C&C 37+
> Bristol, RI
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>  
>  
> From: Brian Morrison [mailto:brianm...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair
>  
> Hello fellow CnCer’s,
>  
> I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I 
> purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no 
> dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak 
> in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through 
> the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several 
> questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the 
> sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you 
> have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product 
> and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Brian
>  
> Brian C. Morrison
> S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale
> 1979 C&C 34
> Baltimore, MD
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Brian,

 

I used the stuff from West Marine
(http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--inflatable-boat-sealant--444679)
a few months ago.  It works great!  My dinghy had a slow leak and required
pumping up every few weeks.  It has been two months since inflating my
dinghy and I have not had to use the pump. 

 

You do have to follow the directions and keep turning the dinghy over
(fore/aft & port/starboard) to coat the interior.  The liquid can be poured
in through the fill connections.  I have a West Marine dinghy which has
three capped connections with removable inserts that are used to let the air
out.  They should be removed to fill the dinghy with the sealant.

 

 

Regards,

Ron

Ronald V. Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

From: Brian Morrison [mailto:brianm...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair

 

Hello fellow CnCer's,

 

I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I
purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no
dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow
leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted
through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside.
Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do
you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it
in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the
best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Brian

 

Brian C. Morrison

S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale

1979 C&C 34

Baltimore, MD

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Almost forgot.  Consider your battery bank AHr capacity.  The max charger
current should be limited to about 25% of the smallest bank capacity.  A
20amp charger would be a good fit for an 80AHr battery.  This assumes a
flooded lead acid.  30% for gel and 40% for AGM.

You mentioned using a hygrometer but this is only for flooded batteries.
Despite being "able" to sometimes get the caps off of "maintenance free"
batteries you stand a good chance of messing things up more than fixing.
So that leaves the decreasingly available maintenance style batteries with
individual caps for each cell.

Josh Muckley
On Aug 7, 2014 8:51 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> Oh yeah, +1 on the ProMariner.
>
> The PO replaced an old xantrex with a new one which died on him within a
> year.  I clamed the warranty on it after closing on the boat but was
> disappointed when the new one died within a week.  Warranty refunded and I
> switched to a ProMariner and haven't heard a peep from it in 2.5 years.
>
> Josh Muckley
> On Aug 7, 2014 11:07 AM, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Investigating availability of "smart" or three step charger to install in
>> locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of
>> boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says
>> most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit
>> but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which
>> isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is
>> amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Oh yeah, +1 on the ProMariner.

The PO replaced an old xantrex with a new one which died on him within a
year.  I clamed the warranty on it after closing on the boat but was
disappointed when the new one died within a week.  Warranty refunded and I
switched to a ProMariner and haven't heard a peep from it in 2.5 years.

Josh Muckley
On Aug 7, 2014 11:07 AM, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Investigating availability of "smart" or three step charger to install in
> locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of
> boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says
> most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit
> but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which
> isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is
> amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer.
>>
>>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

What about solar?  A lot of problems and liabilities come from being
attached to shore.  You're just keeping the batteries topped up for the
next adventure right?

Every smart charger i have ever seen, (auto, marine, clamp on, or
permanent) works as follows:

First: It performs idiot checks to make sure the battery is not bad or
terminals reversed.
Stage 1: (Bulk charge, ~80% of full capacity) Start at max rated current
and slowly ramp up voltage until max rated voltage is reached
Stage 2: (acceptance charge, remaining ~20% of full charge) Once the max
rated charge voltage of your type of battery is reached (14.7v for a
standard wet lead-acid battery) then the current is slowly ramped down
while simultaneously keeping the voltage at 14.7v .
Stage 3: When the charge current has reduced to the float curent 1-2 amps
for a predetermined amount of time (1-5 minutes) the charger switches to a
float mode where the voltage is reduced to the appropriate float voltage
(~13.2v for a standard lead-acid) and the minimum current is applied
(~1-2amp).  During this stage different chargers may periodically shift on
or off or test the acceptance by switching to the 14.7v and "checking" how
long it takes to return to the minimum current.

The better chargers tend to have battery type seletors and may have a
little different time delays or charge programs for each battery type.
Many permanent installs have more than one set of charge terminals for more
than one bank (the current is still limited to the max rating of the
charger).  With more features the price goes up.

I presume that you are considering chargers for equalizing and
"preventative maintenance".  Any 3 stage "smart" auto charger could be used
as a equalizing charger.  I have a 40amp Stanley that is similar to Vector
and Schumacher.  $100 bucks at Lowes AND it has an alternator checker and
"start" booster too.

I wouldn't necessarily leave it unattended but while you're tinkering about
at the dock 3 or 4 (or more) times a season would be fine.  They make 10
and 20 amp versions also.  They are just temporary and clamp on.  Mine did
great as a backup when my brand new 40amp xantrex ($400) died on the
delivery trip.

Best part is when you are done you can get the weight and clutter off the
boat and use it at home.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 7, 2014 11:07 AM, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Investigating availability of "smart" or three step charger to install in
> locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of
> boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says
> most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit
> but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which
> isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is
> amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer.
>>
>>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Head sink backing up?

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Ray,

 

I think Tim nailed it.  The sink goes below the waterline on starboard tack at 
angles above 25-30 degrees.  The sink fills with water and creates a nuisance.  
I usually keep the thru hull closed, unless we’re using the sink regularly.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
Macklin via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Head sink backing up?

 

I have a 1985 C&C 33-2.  I just noticed that the sink in the head was backing 
up.  The sink has not been used at all.  What would cause this?  What is the 
plumbing configuration and are there any diagrams available?  Any help is 
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ray

LakeHouse

Libertyville IL 

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[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

She's a beauty. Did you install the helm or did it come with the boat?

 

I just bought a 33 for $2,500. She'll be launched tomorrow. Can't wait to
get her all prettied up.

 

Skip

Portsmouth, RI 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 9:08 PM
To: Dave Godwin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

 

Purchase price $2,500.00 Last offer $29,500 around $7,000 invested. I would
never sale her now!!! I have fallen in love with her. take a look see.

 

http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/p/photos-of-progress.html

 

 

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List
 wrote:

Ah, you read between the lines.

 

Love my C&C. My lovely wife does too!

 

Cheers,

Dave Godwin

1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin  's Overdue Refit

 

On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Richard N. Bush  wrote:

 

"I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on
that option..."

 

Dave, its because you have a great boat...

 

Richard

1985 37  CB; Ohio River, mile 584

 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
To: Burt Stratton ; cnc-list

Sent: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will
be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. 

 

I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on
that option...

 

Cheers,

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin  's Overdue Refit

 

On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List
 wrote:





If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a
bigger boat :(

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM
To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

OMG...

If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to
shoot myself!!!  LOL

There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!!  LOL

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 +

Read it and weep:   or read it
and laugh.  Or laugh and weep.  Or drink tequila and don't worry about it...

The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of
it was cosmetic.  That was intentional.  The boat is structurally sound
enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive,
but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to
break into, they'll probably choose somebody else.

BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book.

Wal

you wrote:



Fair warning:  You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a 
neglected boat, even buying used stuff,  being creative with eBay, and 
working on it yourself .



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Best regards,

Curtis McDaniel, 

C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady

Port Royal,

South Carolina

  cpt.b...@gmail.com

 

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Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

A pal just got a 9' aluminum AB and I have to say, I'm very impressed with it.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Aug 7, 2014, at 13:41, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I had a RIB merc for number of years and had nothing but problems.  I was 
> always working on it.   From detaching tubes at the transom, to un-glueing 
> seams between the hard bottom and tubes, to mercury black letters somehow 
> disintegrating in the sun and getting sticky residue everywhere.  The transom 
> was separating from the tubes so severely that they honored the tube warranty 
> by giving me new tubes.  Of course I had to pay $1100 in labor to glue the 
> hard bottom to the new tubes.  Warranty did not honor the new seat which I 
> now needed as a result of new tubes.  The thing lasted another 5 years.  Then 
> it finally got stolen.  
> Got a used AB in 2012 for 1000$ which I could not be happier with. 
>  
> Petar Horvatic
> Sundowner
> 76 C&C 38MkII
> Newport, RI
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian 
> Morrison via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair
>  
> Hello fellow CnCer’s,
>  
> I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I 
> purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no 
> dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak 
> in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through 
> the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several 
> questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the 
> sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you 
> have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product 
> and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Brian
>  
> Brian C. Morrison
> S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale
> 1979 C&C 34
> Baltimore, MD
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair

[Fair, Mike via CnC-List]

I have '94 Achilles that has spent June thru November on a mooring all it's 
life. One fall  after a month's absence I came to the boat and found that it 
had deflated and submerged the motor.   I resurrected the motor and got a quart 
of the latex sealer sold to stop pin hole leaks.  I added it to the 3 air 
compartments and then rolled the dingy all around the lawn to cover all the 
interior surfaces.  Pumped it up and left it in the barn all winter. It held 
air fine. Still does 2 yrs later.

Thanks,

Mike Fair

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Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair

Hello fellow CnCer's,

I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I 
purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no 
dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow leak 
in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted through 
the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside. Several 
questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do you get the 
sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it in), do you have 
to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the best product and 
where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Brian

Brian C. Morrison
S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale
1979 C&C 34
Baltimore, MD


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Re: Stus-List Dingy Repair

[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

I had a RIB merc for number of years and had nothing but problems.  I was
always working on it.   From detaching tubes at the transom, to un-glueing
seams between the hard bottom and tubes, to mercury black letters somehow
disintegrating in the sun and getting sticky residue everywhere.  The
transom was separating from the tubes so severely that they honored the tube
warranty by giving me new tubes.  Of course I had to pay $1100 in labor to
glue the hard bottom to the new tubes.  Warranty did not honor the new seat
which I now needed as a result of new tubes.  The thing lasted another 5
years.  Then it finally got stolen.  

Got a used AB in 2012 for 1000$ which I could not be happier with.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Morrison via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 1:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Dingy Repair

 

Hello fellow CnCer's,

 

I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I
purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no
dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow
leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted
through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside.
Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do
you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it
in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the
best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Brian

 

Brian C. Morrison

S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale

1979 C&C 34

Baltimore, MD

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

I put a ProMariner on Stella Blue last year, and am very pleased with 
it. The one Rich suggests would be good for a 24 with one or two 
batteries.  Note the dimensions: 9x5x2 inches.  That's pretty small.  
Auto shut off isn't really necessary with a good three stage charger, as 
float mode will hold the batteries at maintenance voltage.  Mine's a bit 
bigger with a few fancy features, but my needs are different.


Wal

Rich wrote:

Try this:
http://ca.binnacle.com/mobile/product_info.php?products_id=10001

Rich



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Stus-List Dingy Repair

[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

Hello fellow CnCer's,

 

I have a mercury inflatable dingy. It has been a challenge ever since I
purchased it. Dealing with keeping it clean, managing it at the marina (no
dingy racks), repairs, etc. has not been fun. My current issue is a slow
leak in the forward seam. I have read about a sealer that can be inserted
through the air hole and is supposed to seal the seam from the inside.
Several questions: has anyone had any experience with this repair, how do
you get the sealant into the air hole (it seems to be too small to pour it
in), do you have to remove the air intake valve, does it work, what is the
best product and where can I get it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

Brian

 

Brian C. Morrison

S/V Rekofa, The Blue Whale

1979 C&C 34

Baltimore, MD

 

 

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[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

Remember when you played the game of Life with your kids?

The winning strategy was not to accumulate the most money; It was to get the 
most life experience cards.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.


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[David via CnC-List]

One side benefit of kids growing up sailing.

My 23 year old is Captain of a 60'er out of Maine and Antigua.   Making great 
money and happy as a clam.

Pretty good investment I think...

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:09:58 -0400
Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com


One  more.. 



You can't put a price on life experience and memories indeed.  That's a big 
part of the reason why I own my boat. I've wanted one for decades and the plan 
was to get it when the kids were grown, but when I got the opportunity to get 
one while my daughter was 14 and my son 12,  I jumped on it.



Here's a small sampling things provided by boat ownership I find priceless: 



The ability to pry my kids away from the internet and video games for whole 
weekends at a time

A good excuse to spend one on one time with my kids 

The ability to teach them real life lessons about having to focus on task, 
learn to plan ahead, perform actual manual labor, and feel the ensuing 
satisfaction of a job well done  

Spending afternoons at anchor swimming with the whole family including the dog

Having so much fun on a daysail that we forget about dinner and find ourselves 
eating dinner at Steak and Shake @ 11:00 PM with no one complaining and still 
having fun 

A great place to spend the weekend at the lake and completely forget about work

Being in an actual organized race with the whole family and 2 or 3 other 
friends along for the ride (Try that in a race car) 

Having a "Lake House"  that could very well find it's way in Belize or any 
other island of my choosing one day without too much additional cost



She's demanding alright.. But look at what you get.   



-Francois

1990 34+ "Take Five"

Lake Lanier, Georgia




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[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

One  more..

You can't put a price on life experience and memories indeed.  That's a big
part of the reason why I own my boat. I've wanted one for decades and the
plan was to get it when the kids were grown, but when I got the opportunity
to get one while my daughter was 14 and my son 12,  I jumped on it.

Here's a small sampling things provided by boat ownership I find priceless:

The ability to pry my kids away from the internet and video games for whole
weekends at a time
A good excuse to spend one on one time with my kids
The ability to teach them real life lessons about having to focus on task,
learn to plan ahead, perform actual manual labor, and feel the ensuing
satisfaction of a job well done
Spending afternoons at anchor swimming with the whole family including the
dog
Having so much fun on a daysail that we forget about dinner and find
ourselves eating dinner at Steak and Shake @ 11:00 PM with no one
complaining and still having fun
A great place to spend the weekend at the lake and completely forget about
work
Being in an actual organized race with the whole family and 2 or 3 other
friends along for the ride (Try that in a race car)
Having a "Lake House"  that could very well find it's way in Belize or any
other island of my choosing one day without too much additional cost

She's demanding alright.. But look at what you get.

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia
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[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Having a boat and sailing is better than the alternative.  The cost is just 
something that comes with it, so you either suck it up and go sailing and be 
happy, or you live a miserable life on the muddy stuff.
My 0c worth!
Cheers,
Paul
Orange Crush, C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC.

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 103, Issue 23

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

um.. i dont recommend tracking expenses on boats.  

if a spouse or significant other gets ahold of the list they could have you 
"committed" and thats without taking into account indirect expenses

and even if you dont get "caught" then the tracking data will only make it 
worse when you go to sell the boat ;)

steve

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>   1. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Rich Knowles)
>   2. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Dennis C.)
>   3. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Dave Godwin)
>   4. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Curtis)
>   5. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Richard N. Bush)
>   6. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Ebay)
>   7. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Rich Knowles)
>   8. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Dennis C.)
>   9. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (Stevan Plavsa)
>  10. Re:  big $$$ used C&C (sam.c.sal...@gmail.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 21:15:22 -0300
> From: Rich Knowles 
> To: Dave Godwin , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
>   
> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
> Message-ID: <00745bc4-402a-46f5-ba26-1715d21ef...@sailpower.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I've had my 1981 Landfall 38 since 1997. I've put a lot of money into 
> everything from an engine rebuild to all new running gear, a new propane 
> stove, Espar heater, sails etc. batteries Etc. 
> 
> Meantime I've installed new electronics on many of the Beneteaus sold into 
> Nova Scotia, worked on a whack of other boats of all types, makes, sizes and 
> conditions, and have never felt that the money I spent on Indigo was going to 
> a poor place or should be invested in a newer boat. 
> 
> I think the reason is that my 33 year old boat is every bit as seaworthy as 
> any of the others I've been on, works and sails as well as any, satisfies my 
> aesthetic needs and, perhaps most important from my point of view, has soul 
> that most of the new boats don't have. 
> 
> Next boat will be a 25' wood power boat with a comfortable chair and a BBQ on 
> the stern deck.  
> 
> Rich
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 20:35, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will 
>> be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat.
>> 
>> I?m just wondering why in the friggin? hell I haven?t pulled the trigger on 
>> that option...
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin?s Overdue Refit
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a
>>> bigger boat :(
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
>>> Haughey via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM
>>> To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>>> 
>>> OMG...
>>> 
>>> If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to
>>> shoot myself!!!  LOL
>>> 
>>> There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!!  LOL
>>> 
>>> Danny
>>> Lolita
>>> 1973 Viking 33
>>> Westport Point, MA
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
>>> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 +
>>> 
>>> Read it and weep:   or read it
>>> and laugh.  Or laugh and weep.  Or drink tequila and don't worry about it...
>>> 
>>> The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of
>>> it was cosmetic.  That was intentional.  The boat is structurally sound
>>> enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive,
>>> but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to
>>> break into, they'll probably choose somebody else.
>>> 
>>> BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book.
>>> 
>>> Wal
>>> 
>>> you wrote:
 Fair warning:  You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a 
 neglected boat, even buying used stuff,  being creative with eBay, and 
 working on it yourself .
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

http://stores.ebay.com/The-ChargerGuy?_rdc=1

Good deals  on chargers. No financial interest at all - but I did buy something 
from here with no problems.

Joe Della Barba   Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Patrick — I’d stay away from non-marine battery chargers in the marine 
environment; for both safety and longevity/reliability reasons.

Something like this would probably work fine for your size boat:
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|328|2289962|2289963&id=1512352

You could upsize to 20 amps, but that may be overkill.  Do you already have a 
shorepower system?

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Aug 7, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> 
> Investigating availability of "smart" or three step charger to install in 
> locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or 
> portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car 
> type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you 
> then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't 
> practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and 
> only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC
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Re: Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Rich Knowles via CnC-List]

Try this:
http://ca.binnacle.com/mobile/product_info.php?products_id=10001

Rich

Rich Knowles
IFDS 2014 Worlds
Support Chair

> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:07, "Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Investigating availability of "smart" or three step charger to install in 
> locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of boat, or 
> portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says most car 
> type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit but you 
> then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which isn't 
> practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is amps and 
> only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC
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Stus-List Battery charger on 24

[Patrick H. Wesley via CnC-List]

Investigating availability of "smart" or three step charger to install in
locker next to batteries, obviously concern is size for this type of
boat, or portable one. Must have auto shut-off. Any ideas? Battery guy says
most car type chargers only measure volts and shut off when reach the limit
but you then need to put it on manual and charge another four hours, which
isn't practical given distance house/boat. Also that real importance is
amps and only way to measure that is using a battery acid hygrometer.
>
>
Thanks in advance.

Patrick Wesley, Sidney BC


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[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Owning a boat really is something though. I whine about our short sailing
season and I'm often too busy to sail as much as I'de like but the bottom
line is that I know it's down at the club, on it's mooring, waiting.
There's always the potential and promise. If I sold the boat I would be
depressed. The way the market is going though I could sell it now, do other
things with the money and buy another in five years for less money. VS
continuing to dump money into mine for the next five years.
It's hard.

There are still some inexpensive vacant properties outside of Toronto ..
and that won't last much longer. Boats will always get cheaper, land won't.
I'm 35 now, whatever land I might buy will be worth more in ten years, in
twenty parking a cheap trailer on it for the time being and slowly
building a cabin seems like a good use of my time, energy and finances.
It's the same time, energy and finances I spend on the boat. I love my boat
though and I love the times I've spent on it with my partner, and my
friends. We just got back from a three week cruise and it was magical. Boat
bubble all the way.

Decisions, decisions.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house.
>
> In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then.
>
> My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was
> $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought
> it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to
> get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching.
>
>
>
> Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment.  You either
> cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do.
>  IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this:
> http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
> *C&C 35 MK I*
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[Colin Kilgour via CnC-List]

Weighing in late here... yes a large sailboat is an insanely bad FINANCIAL
investment, but it's good for your soul.

I'm well over $200k into Bojangles (less than half of which is purchase
price) and I'd be lucky to get half that today.

For the last couple of years though, I've chartered her out selectively and
while I'm not making any serious money (in case the CRA is monitoring this
thread), she is carrying her weigh for the most part.

And the coolest thing is the current charterer has the boat down in
Panama right now and we're heading down next week to take back the boat for
a 2 week cruise in the San Blas Islands... How cool is that?

Cheers,
Colin



On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house.
>
> In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then.
>
> My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was
> $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought
> it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to
> get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching.
>
>
>
> Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment.  You either
> cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do.
>  IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this:
> http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
> *C&C 35 MK I*
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house.
In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then.
My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was $50 I 
would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought it was 
totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to get taken 
out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching.

Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment.  You either cannot 
imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do.  IMHO no amount 
of cash could ever replace this: 
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG



Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Inner Harbor East is very good if you haven't found something else. We used it 
when going to the Indy cars the last three years.

Gary
St. Michaels
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Price via CnC-List 
  To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 11:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C


  Bought my 35 Mk I for 13 k  15 years ago. Compared to beach house rentals for 
one week/ year, I'm ahead of the game. It's not an investment, it's what you do 
with your disposable income. My family has not suffered. 
  Chris Price
  35 Mk I
  p. s. Sailing to Baltimore, getting-a slip and walking to the Ravens game 
tomorrow. Back to the club Friday for a Bridal shower for my daughter. Can't 
put a price on that.  

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List  
wrote:


‎Friend of mine is $80k and 8 years into an Ericsson 30 rebuild. He can't 
get an offer of $20k.
My C&C 26 cost me $24k 12 years ago. Since then it's retail has halved and 
I've probably got $20k into it in up grades.
When I bought it, there was no thought of selling it and there still isn't. 
Good job, 'cause this thought line can drive you nuts.
I'm going to either leave it to one of the grandkids (if I can get one 
interested in sailing), or sail west until we (boat and I) fall off the edge - 
this is plan B 'cause I'm a lake sailor!

sam :-)
  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List
  Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:27 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Reply To: Dennis C.
  Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C 



I quit tracking $$ when I went north of $20K.  That was years ago. 


Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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On Aug 6, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and 
will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat.


  I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger 
on that option...


  Cheers,
  Dave Godwin
  1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
  Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
  Ronin’s Overdue Refit


  On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
 wrote:


If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably 
afford a
bigger boat :(

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM
To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C

OMG...

If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to
shoot myself!!!  LOL

There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!!  
LOL

Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used C&C
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 +

Read it and weep:   or read 
it
and laugh.  Or laugh and weep.  Or drink tequila and don't worry about 
it...

The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very 
little of
it was cosmetic.  That was intentional.  The boat is structurally sound
enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to 
survive,
but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to
break into, they'll probably choose somebody else.

BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any 
book.

Wal

you wrote:

  Fair warning:  You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a 
  neglected boat, even buying used stuff,  being creative with eBay, 
and 
  working on it yourself .



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