Re: Stus-List Annual sailing invite

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Ditto. If in Portland and we are available, anybody is welcome to come out
with us. "Roll on Columbia, roll on. "

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014, 11:13 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> As always, listers needing a winter sailing fix are welcome for a sail on
> Touche' anytime they have occasion to be in the New Orleans/Lake
> Pontchartrain area.
>
> The Admiral and I plan to cruise the Pensacola area the 1st week of
> December then head home.  I hope to have Touche' back in the slip in
> Mandeville by mid-December.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Draft

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Yes I do have PT 2x6 under each foot of each stand. The ground under the boat 
is crushed stone bank.  

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Draft

 

 

I couldn't tell from your picture, Burt, but if your jack stands are sitting on 
the bare ground (dirt or gravel) I hope you remembered to place plywood under 
the stands.  Otherwise, be prepared to see the stands sink when the weather 
becomes wet.

 

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The heater itself is rarely what catches on fire, it is the cord. The safest
thing is a hard-wired marine rated engine compartment heater. That said, the
oil heaters don't get hot enough to ignite anything unless they short
circuit or something. Be sure to check THE PLUG. THAT is what burns up.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:09 PM
To: 'Tom Buscaglia'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries

Tom,

I use the oil filled heater too, because I think they are safer.  I used to
use a ceramic heater all the time, but now I'm being more cautious.  I still
use the ceramic heater, but only when I'm onboard.  The heat is almost
instant and makes the cabin feel much better.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA



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Buscaglia via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Winter worries

Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil
radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on
caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less confident about that
now.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200



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Re: Stus-List Draft

[Alan Bergen via CnC-List]

I couldn't tell from your picture, Burt, but if your jack stands are sitting on 
the bare ground (dirt or gravel) I hope you remembered to place plywood under 
the stands. Otherwise, be prepared to see the stands sink when the weather 
becomes wet. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Thanks Randy. We do some Christmas shipping in Portland so will have lights
on the boat already. Maybe we can slot in. Will be on touch

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014, 6:09 PM Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I use the oil filled heater too, because I think they are safer.  I used to
> use a ceramic heater all the time, but now I'm being more cautious.  I
> still
> use the ceramic heater, but only when I'm onboard.  The heat is almost
> instant and makes the cabin feel much better.
>
> Jake
>
> Jake Brodersen
> "Midnight Mistress"
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> Hampton VA
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Buscaglia via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:08 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Winter worries
>
> Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil
> radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on
> caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less confident about that
> now.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design...

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I like my C&C 34R for the 4 step companionway. The Swan and Baltics have 6 to 8 
steps down into cabin. 

Spent some time sailing a Benneteau Sense 55 that had only 3 steps, but it 
lacked a bridgedeck. 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "Bill Bina" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:01:47 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design... 


I spent a couple of weeks on one of those Baltic 39s, sailing from St. 
Martin to Newport, via Bermuda. 
Definitely not cheaper than a C&C 39. 

There was a really deep drop down from the cockpit into the main part of the 
boat because of a "hallway" linking the 2 sides of the rear cabin. 
Other than that, no issues different from a C&C, unless you don't care for 
the upkeep of teak decks. 

Very desirable boats in my opinion. 

Steve Thomas 
C&C27 MKIII 
Port Stanley, ON 


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From: "Bill Bina via CnC-List"  
To:  
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:05 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design... 


> "Like a Swan only cheaper" may have been a Baltic 39. The hull was 
> designed by C&C and has the C&C cove stripe with the familiar 
> diamond/star. They were built to a pretty high standard, complete with 
> teak decks. 
> 
>  
> 
> Bill Bina 
> 
> On 11/20/2014 6:22 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote: 
>> Twice I have seen recently repainted boats (one a Catalina, one a Hunter) 
>> who put C&C stars under the toe rail. Then there was a Taiwan knock-off 
>> (I think they bought a boat and made a mold from the hull) and I was 
>> pretty sure it was a C&C 40 knock-off but the owner assured me it was 
>> 'just like a Swan only cheaper' and so I left him to his beer. 
>> 
>> It's good to see the original stars shine. 
>> 
>> Wal 
> 
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Re: Stus-List mixed thread fittings

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Joel, 
I mention the mixed threads as a warning. Don't see any way around it. My 
fittings are tight. 

FYI, I helped my brother replace a seacock on his Boston Whaler 23. Hi quality 
boat. The bronze thru-hull had a 6" long nipple with non-tapered threads. A 
mushroom shaped nut secured the thruhull to the inner hull, then a bronze valve 
w tapered threads screwed down onto the end. 

Maybe I could rethread the marelon fittings w a pipe threader? I'll have to try 
that. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "Joe Della Barba" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:32:10 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries 

Chuck, 

I would not mix thread types. Your seal is only as good as the glue because you 
don't have enough surface contact between the threads.I like the idea of a tee, 
but I have not gotten around to installing one. 

Joe, I only winterized the fresh water and waste. I figure the Bay water is 
still in the mid-40s and I'm in salt water, so I should be OK with the engine. 
Am I delusional? 

Joel 
35/3 
Annapolis 

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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Tom,

I use the oil filled heater too, because I think they are safer.  I used to
use a ceramic heater all the time, but now I'm being more cautious.  I still
use the ceramic heater, but only when I'm onboard.  The heat is almost
instant and makes the cabin feel much better.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Buscaglia via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:08 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Winter worries

Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil
radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on
caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less confident about that
now.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200



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Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design...

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I spent a couple of weeks on one of those Baltic 39s, sailing from St. 
Martin to Newport, via Bermuda.

Definitely not cheaper than a C&C 39.

There was a really deep drop down from the cockpit into the main part of the 
boat because of a "hallway" linking the 2 sides of the rear cabin.
Other than that, no issues different from a C&C, unless you don't care for 
the upkeep of teak decks.


Very desirable boats in my opinion.

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON


- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bina via CnC-List" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design...


"Like a Swan only cheaper" may have been a Baltic 39. The hull was 
designed by C&C and has the C&C cove stripe with the familiar 
diamond/star. They were built to a pretty high standard, complete with 
teak decks.




Bill Bina

On 11/20/2014 6:22 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote:
Twice I have seen recently repainted boats (one a Catalina, one a Hunter) 
who put C&C stars under the toe rail. Then there was a Taiwan knock-off 
(I think they bought a boat and made a mold from the hull) and I was 
pretty sure it was a C&C 40 knock-off but the owner assured me it was 
'just like a Swan only cheaper' and so I left him to his beer.


It's good to see the original stars shine.

Wal



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Re: Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Probably the 35! :)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 04:46 PM 20/11/2014, you wrote:
Wow, 19 boats?  That's amazing.  What was the 
boat that tied with the C&C 30 for Best Boat?




--
From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
To: "Heaton, Ken" , "CNC 
boat owners, cnc-list" 

Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:43:10 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

Its good to see the boat is being well 
received.  They are taking orders for #19. It is 
slightly less expensive than a Farr 28​ and is 
designed for more than around the buoy racing.


It is supposed to be a one design in the 
Annapolis NOOD in the spring.  Maybe I can catch a ride?


I have nothing against J Boats, but its nice to 
see a little competition out there!


Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ken Heaton via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

"We don’t often have ties in our Best Boats 
competition, but with two very different and 
equally exciting boats in the 30ft-and-under 
performance category, we just couldn’t go with a single winner.


The first of the two is the C&C 30. If you’ve 
been racing sailboats for a while, you’re 
undoubtedly familiar with C&C Yachts, a 
racer-cruiser manufacturer that produced plenty 
of winning boats in the 1970s and 1980s. Now the 
company is back at the forefront of racing 
design with this Mark Mills-conceived 30-footer, 
which C&C hopes to develop into a 
high-performance, offshore-capable one-design 
class that’s both easy to sail and affordable 
compared to other grand prix boats."


Read More: 
http://www.sailmagazine.com/best-boats/best-boats-2015-cc-30


Ken H.



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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[randy via CnC-List]

Kevin, let me know the dates, we can probably arrange to share a libation with 
ya!  We do a Christmas lights cruise, quite low key, but usually makes the 
local paper, and I can let you know dates when I hear them.  

 

Feel free to contact me if ya need more info about anything,

randy

29-II

Tamanawas

HRYC

Hood River, OR

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
Driscoll via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:49 AM
To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries

 

Per this thread I just bought one of these oil pan heaters for our 2gm20F on 
our C&C 1989 30-2. 
http://www.amazon.com/Kats-24050-Watt-Universal-Heater/dp/B000I8YPQ4 

 

We use the boat all winter and occasionally race her Sundays through the 
winter, so winterizing doesn't work for us. We are planning on taking her up to 
Hood River for Christmas this year (from Portland). Our last hoorah before baby 
arrives in the spring

 

It saddens me to hear all the late season starts and early autumn hauls on this 
list. 

 

With Sympathy,

Kevin

Portland, Or

 

On Thu Nov 20 2014 at 9:35:51 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Fear of fires has been the reason I don't leave ANY electric space heaters on 
while not on the boat.  I use a ceramic heater while working on it through the 
winter but only under supervision.

Josh

On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil radiator 
for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on caught fire on 
a boat last year and am a little less confident about that now.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200  



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Re: Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Wow, 19 boats? That's amazing. What was the boat that tied with the C&C 30 for 
Best Boat? 


- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "Heaton, Ken" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:43:10 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30 

Its good to see the boat is being well received. They are taking orders for 
#19. It is slightly less expensive than a Farr 28​ and is designed for more 
than around the buoy racing. 

It is supposed to be a one design in the Annapolis NOOD in the spring. Maybe I 
can catch a ride? 

I have nothing against J Boats, but its nice to see a little competition out 
there! 

Joel 
35/3 
Annapolis 

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30 




" We don’t often have ties in our Best Boats competition, but with two very 
different and equally exciting boats in the 30ft-and-under performance 
category, we just couldn’t go with a single winner. 


The first of the two is the C&C 30. If you’ve been racing sailboats for a 
while, you’re undoubtedly familiar with C&C Yachts, a racer-cruiser 
manufacturer that produced plenty of winning boats in the 1970s and 1980s. Now 
the company is back at the forefront of racing design with this Mark 
Mills-conceived 30-footer, which C&C hopes to develop into a high-performance, 
offshore-capable one-design class that’s both easy to sail and affordable 
compared to other grand prix boats." 



Read More: http://www.sailmagazine.com/best-boats/best-boats-2015-cc-30 


Ken H. 



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Re: Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

I sailed on one in New York a couple of weeks ago (it was cold then, but
I'm glad it wasn't this week).  In ~5-7 knots we were going upwind at 6 at
a very tight angle.  The wind got up to 12, occasionally gusting 15 and we
went back downwind hitting 12.5 knots (trying to heat it up, not soak).
All very nice and calm, including a couple of broaches which were pretty
slow and non-dramatic, and involved easing the spin / main and then
trimming by hand.  It's a great boat to sail, but the admiral might
complain about creature comforts...

Tim

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Its good to see the boat is being well received.  They are taking orders
> for #19. It is slightly less expensive than a Farr 28​ and is designed for
> more than around the buoy racing.
>
> It is supposed to be a one design in the Annapolis NOOD in the spring.
> Maybe I can catch a ride?
>
> I have nothing against J Boats, but its nice to see a little competition
> out there!
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30
>>
>> "We don’t often have ties in our Best Boats competition, but with two
>> very different and equally exciting boats in the 30ft-and-under performance
>> category, we just couldn’t go with a single winner.
>>
>> The first of the two is the C&C 30. If you’ve been racing sailboats for a
>> while, you’re undoubtedly familiar with C&C Yachts, a racer-cruiser
>> manufacturer that produced plenty of winning boats in the 1970s and 1980s.
>> Now the company is back at the forefront of racing design with this Mark
>> Mills-conceived 30-footer, which C&C hopes to develop into a
>> high-performance, offshore-capable one-design class that’s both easy to
>> sail and affordable compared to other grand prix boats."
>>
>> Read More: http://www.sailmagazine.com/best-boats/best-boats-2015-cc-30
>>
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Re: Stus-List Draft

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

The picture shows your boat has the deeper keel. That's better for performance. 
Deeper, stiffer, lighter. 
Glad to hear the yard helped with the stands. They sound like good people. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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Subject: Stus-List Draft 



I just got schooled by my boat (again). The specifications for my boat show it 
having a draft of 5’6”. (This is a 1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner). I bought (used) jack 
stands for her winter stay in my back yard based on that. I just had her 
delivered and found out my stands are too short. I was able to recover 
gracefully from that little faux pas with the help of my yard who were willing 
to trade for the correct size. After the dust settled I did some measuring to 
find out where I went wrong. Having just been hauled she has a well-defined 
water line. I measured the actual draft and found it to be closer to 6’ 6”. Is 
it possible that the keel was either extended or replaced by a PO? Do owners do 
such things? It is still a fin keel but I noticed it has a different shape than 
the shape shown on the C&C specifications document for the boat. The 
specifications are for a custom ¾ ton but could there have been optional keels 
available? I will attempt to attach a pic. There is real experience on this 
list and your thoughts are valuable. 



Here is a comparison of the silhouette from the specification drawing a 
sailboatdata and a pic of the actual boat. 




https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLanZwZUsxeE1PaE0/view?usp=sharing 



Burt 

On the hard in Walpole, MA 

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Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design...

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

"Like a Swan only cheaper" may have been a Baltic 39. The hull was 
designed by C&C and has the C&C cove stripe with the familiar 
diamond/star. They were built to a pretty high standard, complete with 
teak decks.




Bill Bina

On 11/20/2014 6:22 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote:
Twice I have seen recently repainted boats (one a Catalina, one a 
Hunter) who put C&C stars under the toe rail. Then there was a Taiwan 
knock-off (I think they bought a boat and made a mold from the hull) 
and I was pretty sure it was a C&C 40 knock-off but the owner assured 
me it was 'just like a Swan only cheaper' and so I left him to his beer.


It's good to see the original stars shine.

Wal



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Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design...

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

Twice I have seen recently repainted boats (one a Catalina, one a 
Hunter) who put C&C stars under the toe rail. Then there was a Taiwan 
knock-off (I think they bought a boat and made a mold from the hull) and 
I was pretty sure it was a C&C 40 knock-off but the owner assured me it 
was 'just like a Swan only cheaper' and so I left him to his beer.


It's good to see the original stars shine.

Wal


Fred wrote:

http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2014/11/12/duluth-vineyard-haven-island-family-sees-america-sail?k=vg546e3c74c6c47

It’s actually a Cassian/Cuthbertson design built by Whitby Boatworks in Ontario 
(1969 Whitby 45).



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Re: Stus-List Draft

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Burt,

The brochure for the later 33 shows 3 keels.  It is unlikely that someone
modified the keel, but it is not unheard of.  Better chance that there were
factory options.

Joel

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I just got schooled by my boat (again).  The specifications for my boat
> show it having a draft of 5’6”. (This is a 1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner). I bought
> (used) jack stands for her winter stay in my back yard based on that. I
> just had her delivered and found out my stands are too short. I was able to
> recover gracefully from that little faux pas with the help of my yard who
> were willing to trade for the correct size. After the dust settled I did
> some measuring to find out where I went wrong. Having just been hauled she
> has a well-defined water line. I measured the actual draft and found it to
> be closer to 6’ 6”. Is it possible that the keel was either extended or
> replaced by a PO? Do owners do such things? It is still a fin keel but I
> noticed it has a different shape than the shape shown on the C&C
> specifications document for the boat. The specifications are for a custom ¾
> ton but could there have been optional keels available? I will attempt to
> attach a pic. There is real experience on this list and your thoughts are
> valuable.
>
>
>
> Here is a comparison of the silhouette from the specification drawing a
> sailboatdata and a pic of the actual boat.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLanZwZUsxeE1PaE0/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Burt
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> On the hard in Walpole, MA
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Stus-List Draft

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

I just got schooled by my boat (again).  The specifications for my boat show
it having a draft of 5’6”. (This is a 1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner). I bought (used)
jack stands for her winter stay in my back yard based on that. I just had
her delivered and found out my stands are too short. I was able to recover
gracefully from that little faux pas with the help of my yard who were
willing to trade for the correct size. After the dust settled I did some
measuring to find out where I went wrong. Having just been hauled she has a
well-defined water line. I measured the actual draft and found it to be
closer to 6’ 6”. Is it possible that the keel was either extended or
replaced by a PO? Do owners do such things? It is still a fin keel but I
noticed it has a different shape than the shape shown on the C&C
specifications document for the boat. The specifications are for a custom ¾
ton but could there have been optional keels available? I will attempt to
attach a pic. There is real experience on this list and your thoughts are
valuable.

 

Here is a comparison of the silhouette from the specification drawing a
sailboatdata and a pic of the actual boat.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1jlbdmQzvxLanZwZUsxeE1PaE0/view?usp=sharin
g

 

Burt

On the hard in Walpole, MA

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Stus-List Winter worries

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Interesting reading on the use of heaters on our boats.  I have a 1500 
watt electric on board but I only turn it on when I am around ( around 
means on board or on the the club premises whether in the water or on 
the hard).  On the hard now, of course.
I think our club has a boatyard policy which states that our boats, on 
the hard, are not to be plugged into an electrical outlet and leave the 
boat unattended.  In simple terms, when you leave the club premises, 
unplug your boat or the night security staff will do it for you.


Now a dozen or more boats stay in the water all winter at the club, and 
I am sure I see 'shore power' cords coming from most of them.  Not sure 
what the policy is on that.  Must be O.K.   most boats are almost all 
plugged into shore power during the sailing season and unattended.


I can fully understand a boatyard not wanting all kinds of 'heaters' 
plugged in all winter.sooner or later there will be a fire and with 
nicely wrapped flammable boats filled with winter fuel sitting so 
closely, what a chain reaction that could occur.


Thanks for the tip Mike, I will read my insurance policy on the use of 
heatersI have never actually read itI only pay attention to the 
bold printI did read that my policy is invalid if the boat is in the 
water between  November 1 and March 31.  It never is but that was in 
bold print so that is why I caught it.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





On 2014/11/20 1:35 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


Fear of fires has been the reason I don't leave ANY electric space 
heaters on while not on the boat.  I use a ceramic heater while 
working on it through the winter but only under supervision.


Josh

On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an
oil radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But
I heard on caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less
confident about that now.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200 



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Re: Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30 and anchor test

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Also, that issue has an article on testing several anchors.  Worth a read
if you're in the market.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
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> Its good to see the boat is being well received.  They are taking orders
> for #19. It is slightly less expensive than a Farr 28​ and is designed for
> more than around the buoy racing.
>
> It is supposed to be a one design in the Annapolis NOOD in the spring.
> Maybe I can catch a ride?
>
> I have nothing against J Boats, but its nice to see a little competition
> out there!
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30
>>
>> "We don’t often have ties in our Best Boats competition, but with two
>> very different and equally exciting boats in the 30ft-and-under performance
>> category, we just couldn’t go with a single winner.
>>
>> The first of the two is the C&C 30. If you’ve been racing sailboats for a
>> while, you’re undoubtedly familiar with C&C Yachts, a racer-cruiser
>> manufacturer that produced plenty of winning boats in the 1970s and 1980s.
>> Now the company is back at the forefront of racing design with this Mark
>> Mills-conceived 30-footer, which C&C hopes to develop into a
>> high-performance, offshore-capable one-design class that’s both easy to
>> sail and affordable compared to other grand prix boats."
>>
>> Read More: http://www.sailmagazine.com/best-boats/best-boats-2015-cc-30
>>
>> Ken H.
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Re: Stus-List protocol

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Burt,

Post them to a file/phot sharing site like dropbox, google docs, flickr
etc. and send out the link.

Joel

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> What is the accepted method on this list for sharing things like pictures
> that are larger than 60k?
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Its good to see the boat is being well received.  They are taking orders
for #19. It is slightly less expensive than a Farr 28​ and is designed for
more than around the buoy racing.

It is supposed to be a one design in the Annapolis NOOD in the spring.
Maybe I can catch a ride?

I have nothing against J Boats, but its nice to see a little competition
out there!

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30
>
> "We don’t often have ties in our Best Boats competition, but with two
> very different and equally exciting boats in the 30ft-and-under performance
> category, we just couldn’t go with a single winner.
>
> The first of the two is the C&C 30. If you’ve been racing sailboats for a
> while, you’re undoubtedly familiar with C&C Yachts, a racer-cruiser
> manufacturer that produced plenty of winning boats in the 1970s and 1980s.
> Now the company is back at the forefront of racing design with this Mark
> Mills-conceived 30-footer, which C&C hopes to develop into a
> high-performance, offshore-capable one-design class that’s both easy to
> sail and affordable compared to other grand prix boats."
>
> Read More: http://www.sailmagazine.com/best-boats/best-boats-2015-cc-30
>
> Ken H.
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Stus-List protocol

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

What is the accepted method on this list for sharing things like pictures
that are larger than 60k?

 

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Stus-List Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Sail Magazine Best Boats 2015: C&C 30

"We don’t often have ties in our Best Boats competition, but with two very
different and equally exciting boats in the 30ft-and-under performance
category, we just couldn’t go with a single winner.

The first of the two is the C&C 30. If you’ve been racing sailboats for a
while, you’re undoubtedly familiar with C&C Yachts, a racer-cruiser
manufacturer that produced plenty of winning boats in the 1970s and 1980s.
Now the company is back at the forefront of racing design with this Mark
Mills-conceived 30-footer, which C&C hopes to develop into a
high-performance, offshore-capable one-design class that’s both easy to
sail and affordable compared to other grand prix boats."

Read More: http://www.sailmagazine.com/best-boats/best-boats-2015-cc-30

Ken H.
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Re: Stus-List Looks like a C&C design...

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The comments made an interesting read.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
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> An article was referenced in this week’s *Cruising Compass* about a
> family moving their newly-purchased 1969 sailboat through the Great Lakes.
> Check out the accompanying photo — from the cove stripe, she looks like a
> C&C:
>
>
> http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2014/11/12/duluth-vineyard-haven-island-family-sees-america-sail?k=vg546e3c74c6c47
>
> It’s actually a Cassian/Cuthbertson design built by Whitby Boatworks in
> Ontario (1969 Whitby 45).
>
> How the family ever managed to go the length of Lake Superior in July and
> only see one other cruising boat is beyond me… they must have bypassed the
> Apostle Islands completely and gone out into the Lake.  On any given day in
> July (particularly weekends), there will be dozens of (if not a hundred)
> cruising sailboats in the islands, with several more heading out across the
> lake to Isle Royale...
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
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Stus-List Looks like a C&C design...

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

An article was referenced in this week’s Cruising Compass about a family moving 
their newly-purchased 1969 sailboat through the Great Lakes.  Check out the 
accompanying photo — from the cove stripe, she looks like a C&C:

http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2014/11/12/duluth-vineyard-haven-island-family-sees-america-sail?k=vg546e3c74c6c47

It’s actually a Cassian/Cuthbertson design built by Whitby Boatworks in Ontario 
(1969 Whitby 45).

How the family ever managed to go the length of Lake Superior in July and only 
see one other cruising boat is beyond me… they must have bypassed the Apostle 
Islands completely and gone out into the Lake.  On any given day in July 
(particularly weekends), there will be dozens of (if not a hundred) cruising 
sailboats in the islands, with several more heading out across the lake to Isle 
Royale...



Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

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Stus-List Annual sailing invite

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

As always, listers needing a winter sailing fix are welcome for a sail on
Touche' anytime they have occasion to be in the New Orleans/Lake
Pontchartrain area.

The Admiral and I plan to cruise the Pensacola area the 1st week of
December then head home.  I hope to have Touche' back in the slip in
Mandeville by mid-December.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Per this thread I just bought one of these oil pan heaters for our 2gm20F
on our C&C 1989 30-2.
http://www.amazon.com/Kats-24050-Watt-Universal-Heater/dp/B000I8YPQ4


We use the boat all winter and occasionally race her Sundays through the
winter, so winterizing doesn't work for us. We are planning on taking her
up to Hood River for Christmas this year (from Portland). Our last hoorah
before baby arrives in the spring

It saddens me to hear all the late season starts and early autumn hauls on
this list.

With Sympathy,
Kevin
Portland, Or

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> Fear of fires has been the reason I don't leave ANY electric space heaters
> on while not on the boat.  I use a ceramic heater while working on it
> through the winter but only under supervision.
>
> Josh
> On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil
>> radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on
>> caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less confident about that
>> now.
>>
>> Tom Buscaglia
>> S/V Alera
>> 1990 C&C 37+/40
>> Vashon WA
>> P 206.463.9200
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Fear of fires has been the reason I don't leave ANY electric space heaters
on while not on the boat.  I use a ceramic heater while working on it
through the winter but only under supervision.

Josh
On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil
> radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on
> caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less confident about that
> now.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
>
>
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Stus-List heaters

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Check your insurance policy.  Mine specifically states no unattended heaters 
between Dec 1 and April 30.  They are OK to have one while you are aboard

I use ceramic heater.  On our J27 would fire up three of those on boxing day 
and watch the World Junior Hockey championship on board on my digital cable.  I 
will miss those days.

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Zuehlke 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:19 PM
To: Tom Buscaglia; C&C email list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries


I was the same but then a oul filled caused an outlet in my basement to fry. 
Now I ama fan of new if there is any question at all.
On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil radiator 
for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on caught fire on 
a boat last year and am a little less confident about that now.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List]

I was the same but then a oul filled caused an outlet in my basement to
fry. Now I ama fan of new if there is any question at all.
On Nov 20, 2014 12:08 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil
> radiator for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on
> caught fire on a boat last year and am a little less confident about that
> now.
>
> Tom Buscaglia
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> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
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Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Dart board

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:34 PM
To: Letsgo Sailing; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist

I believe one of the sail lofts gave the name "blooper" to a cruising spinnaker 
as well.  That would be basically an asymmetrical spinnaker that's only about 
165% overlap instead of the 180% width for a symmetric.
Don't exactly know how they figure the size to replace the symmetric on an 
older boat.
Guess it depends more on handicapping committees than anything else.
Ron
Wild Cheri
STL
C&C 30-1


On Tue, 11/18/14, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List  wrote:

 There you will find what a blooper
 
is.http://sailingmagazine.net/article-1422-memories-of-a-sail-that-lived-up-to-its-name-in-every-way.html
  
 

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Stus-List Winter worries

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Speaking of heaters, what types do you use?  We have been using an oil radiator 
for years because I thought they would be safer.  But I heard on caught fire on 
a boat last year and am a little less confident about that now.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I agree with those that suggest a heater of some kind if nothing can be done.  
It's amazing what a 100w bulb can do.
But to put your mind a bit at ease, the water has to freeze pretty solid to 
have enough pressure to crack the block.  First it goes through the mushy stage 
and expands in all directions it can without stress.  And if it's getting above 
freezing during the day that helps a lot.  Temp of the water you're in will 
also have a moderating effect.
That said, if you can do the heater/light bulb it's worth it.  My boat was 
winterized incorrectly for a PO and that's why I'm lucky enough to have a 
Universal diesel instead of an A-4.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Tue, 11/18/14, David Knecht via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Winter worries
 To: "CnC CnC discussion list" 
 Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 9:44 PM
 
 My boat was
 finally pulled out of the water last Friday and I am not
 going to be able to get down to winterize the engine (raw
 water cooled) until this weekend.  I did the
 sink/shower plumbing while the boat was still at the dock.
  As luck (or Murphy) would have it, the nighttime
 temperatures are supposed to get down to the 20s for the
 next three nights.  There is not much I can do about it
 now, so how worried should I be about freeze damage to the
 systems, especially since it now has fresh water in it from
 the trip up the river to the winter home.  Dave
 
 Aries1990
 C&C 34+New
 London, CT
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I've dried them on the grass after washing.  But did you ever notice that seems 
to drive birds crazy and they feel they have to dive bomb the sails???
Then you end up spot cleaning and wonder if it was all worth it.
Ron
Wild Cheri


On Tue, 11/18/14, Chuck S via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist
 To: "Marek Dziedzic" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 

 Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 8:03 PM
 
 Never
 found a good way to wash sails.  They are just too big.  
 If you soak them in a big barrel, how do you move them to a
 drying area after they are wet?   I always wanted to hose
 off the sails when they are on the boat and then sail em
 dry, but never had the time and weather to do that.  I hope
 other listers have better suggestions.
 Instead, I lay out my kevlar sails
 on the floor at home and spot clean them with a damp
 sponge.  
 
 I think clean and dry is best, but
 "dry" is more important than "clean" if
 only one can be had.  Any moisture is a mold magnet and
 attracts bugs in storage that will leave behind their
 feces.  So be sure to dry your sails before storing in a
 clean, dry, environment.  
 
 Sometimes (when I know the admiral
 will be out) I drape a sail over living room furniture with
 a box fan blowing underneath for a few hours.  The local
 school cafeteria where I work, makes a good place to lay out
 sails and check for damage, make a repair or simply dry
 before a good flaking and storage.   
 
 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 C&C 34R
 Broad Creek,
 Magothy River, Md
 
 From: "CNC
 boat owners, cnc-list" 
 To: "CNC boat owners,
 cnc-list" 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:41:24
 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing
 Checklist
 
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 #yiv3258323173 There are probably as many methods
 for storing sails as there are members on this
 list… From what I found so far, the
 biggest danger with storing sails for the winter is rodent
 damage (I know it has nothing to do with
 seamanship). Some people store on the boat;
 others at home (basement, living room, bedroom). Some fold
 the sails, others roll them. The next thing is to try not to
 create any creases when folding the sails. Then try storing them in a dry
 place (to prevent any potential mold). Depending on how serious you are,
 you may want to send the sails to a sail loft for inspection
 and any maintenance repairs that might be required. Or you
 can inspect them yourself.  Especially, if you sail in the
 salt water, you may want to wash them down with fresh water
 and let them dry, but this is best done when you still have
 a mast to hoist them. Some very mild detergent and water
 for cleaning any unsightly spider marks and signs of
 mildew. Btw. I think that silk-like sail
 is a spinnaker.  Good luck Marek (in Ottawa) From: CnC-List
 [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
 Burt Stratton via CnC-List
 Sent:
 Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:59 PM
 To: 'Chuck S';
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re:
 Stus-List Winterizing Checklist Related but specific to
 sailboats: What is best practice (or
 acceptable practice) for preparing and storing sails for the
 winter? In the absence of a sail loft I
 can’t imagine a graceful way to clean dry and fold the
 sails. Maybe step a mast in the back yard? My sails are all fairly old but in
 decent shape and I would like to get some more seasons out
 of them. In all honesty I don’t even have an accurate
 inventory. There are sails in bags that I have never put my
 eyes on. I think I can recognize a mylar
 vs. Kevlar sail but I have one 

Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I believe one of the sail lofts gave the name "blooper" to a cruising spinnaker 
as well.  That would be basically an asymmetrical spinnaker that's only about 
165% overlap instead of the 180% width for a symmetric.
Don't exactly know how they figure the size to replace the symmetric on an 
older boat.
Guess it depends more on handicapping committees than anything else.
Ron
Wild Cheri
STL
C&C 30-1


On Tue, 11/18/14, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List  wrote:

 There you will find what a blooper
 
is.http://sailingmagazine.net/article-1422-memories-of-a-sail-that-lived-up-to-its-name-in-every-way.html
  
 

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Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist

[Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List]

Looking like two bubblers per boat.  We'll shut off when we can to save
power, but I think they'll be running around the clock.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Gary,
>   Do you use a bubbler where you are now? I figured you still had
> your boat in Sarnia.
> No way would you want to leave a boat in the water all winter where I am.
> The ice would get you.
>
> Got mine out of the water but didn't get it under
> cover or winterized before the snow.
> Put a small heater in by the engine and crossed my fingers.
> Supposed to be warmer on the weekend, so will finish it whenever it melts
> and there are gaps in the rain.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List 
> *To:* Frederick G Street  ; C&C email list
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:52 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist
>
> Fred,
>
> Ain't much better down here in Detroit. :(
>
> At least the boat is in the water still so I can sit under the shrinkwrap
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I hate you.   :^)
>>
>> All the way UP to 19F here so far today...
>>
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>
>>  On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Touche' winterizing checklist:
>>
>> 1.  Check date on sunscreen.  If expired, toss it.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Smart alec!
Freezing here in STL; 20deg F below normal.
Ron
Wild Cheri


On Tue, 11/18/14, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing Checklist
 To: "CnClist" 
 Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 4:18 PM
 
 Touche' winterizing
 checklist:
 
 1.  Check
 date on sunscreen.  If expired, toss it.
 
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
 
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Plenty of boats sit all winter with no heat in Maryland. I have never heard of 
a thru-hull freezing and cracking even when boats sit locked in ice. Maybe it 
is possible, but I would not worry too much about it. I like to keep the boat 
warm because I hate going to do some work in a cold-soaked cabin and it seems 
to keep the mildew away. My wife is never happy with the electric bill though. 
Between heat and the ice-eater we were around $60 month last winter.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: Gary Zuehlke [mailto:garyzueh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
To: Della Barba, Joe; C&C email list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries

Now you have me worried Joe.  My heat is set to 50 also and it has been very 
cold.  Good news is everything is winterized but since I'm bubbling, I always 
worry.  One thing to crack a thru hull, another for it to cause the boat to 
sink!

Also got a call from a fellow boater in the area of the marina that said my 
shrinkwrap experiment didn't work.

I wish I would have taken engineering classes instead of accounting classes.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Had some worry yesterday morning. Our temps here in Maryland would be cold for 
*January*, let alone November. I usually don’t winterize until around 
Christmas, so I just turned the heat on the low 500 watt setting and set the 
thermostat to 50. Apparently it was not enough and when I got to work yesterday 
I looked at my cabin temp telemetry and it was down to 32 ☹ It warmed up to the 
40s during the day at least. I checked last night and nothing had frozen, but I 
cranked the thermostat to about 80 before I left. The coldest it got last night 
in the cabin was 51 and it is 55 right now.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My boat is a solid glass hull, so my cabin temperature is very much influenced 
by the water temperature. If your boat is balsa cored you will have less 
heating from warmer water than I do. The temps are going back up, so you are 
likely fine for now, but I would not count TOO much on salt water being hard to 
freeze. The salt content of the rivers is highly variable depending on when it 
last rained. My engine is raw water cooled, so I am risking a lot more than a 
busted heat exchanger if it does freeze. You have shore power, so you can set 
up a heater if you want to. I like the ones that turn off if they fall over.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: Joel Aronson [mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries

Chuck,

I would not mix thread types.  Your seal is only as good as the glue because 
you don't have enough surface contact between the threads.I like the idea of a 
tee, but I have not gotten around to installing one.

Joe, I only winterized the fresh water and waste.  I figure the Bay water is 
still in the mid-40s and I'm in salt water, so I should be OK with the engine.  
Am I delusional?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Had some worry yesterday morning. Our temps here in Maryland would be cold for 
*January*, let alone November. I usually don’t winterize until around 
Christmas, so I just turned the heat on the low 500 watt setting and set the 
thermostat to 50. Apparently it was not enough and when I got to work yesterday 
I looked at my cabin temp telemetry and it was down to 32 ☹ It warmed up to the 
40s during the day at least. I checked last night and nothing had frozen, but I 
cranked the thermostat to about 80 before I left. The coldest it got last night 
in the cabin was 51 and it is 55 right now.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Gary Zuehlke via CnC-List]

Now you have me worried Joe.  My heat is set to 50 also and it has been
very cold.  Good news is everything is winterized but since I'm bubbling, I
always worry.  One thing to crack a thru hull, another for it to cause the
boat to sink!

Also got a call from a fellow boater in the area of the marina that said my
shrinkwrap experiment didn't work.

I wish I would have taken engineering classes instead of accounting classes.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Had some worry yesterday morning. Our temps here in Maryland would be
> cold for **January**, let alone November. I usually don’t winterize until
> around Christmas, so I just turned the heat on the low 500 watt setting and
> set the thermostat to 50. Apparently it was not enough and when I got to
> work yesterday I looked at my cabin temp telemetry and it was down to 32 L
> It warmed up to the 40s during the day at least. I checked last night and
> nothing had frozen, but I cranked the thermostat to about 80 before I left.
> The coldest it got last night in the cabin was 51 and it is 55 right now.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
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> *C&C 35 MK I*
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Chuck,

I would not mix thread types.  Your seal is only as good as the glue
because you don't have enough surface contact between the threads.I like
the idea of a tee, but I have not gotten around to installing one.

Joe, I only winterized the fresh water and waste.  I figure the Bay water
is still in the mid-40s and I'm in salt water, so I should be OK with the
engine.  Am I delusional?

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Had some worry yesterday morning. Our temps here in Maryland would be
> cold for **January**, let alone November. I usually don’t winterize until
> around Christmas, so I just turned the heat on the low 500 watt setting and
> set the thermostat to 50. Apparently it was not enough and when I got to
> work yesterday I looked at my cabin temp telemetry and it was down to 32 L
> It warmed up to the 40s during the day at least. I checked last night and
> nothing had frozen, but I cranked the thermostat to about 80 before I left.
> The coldest it got last night in the cabin was 51 and it is 55 right now.
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Had some worry yesterday morning. Our temps here in Maryland would be cold for 
*January*, let alone November. I usually don’t winterize until around 
Christmas, so I just turned the heat on the low 500 watt setting and set the 
thermostat to 50. Apparently it was not enough and when I got to work yesterday 
I looked at my cabin temp telemetry and it was down to 32 ☹ It warmed up to the 
40s during the day at least. I checked last night and nothing had frozen, but I 
cranked the thermostat to about 80 before I left. The coldest it got last night 
in the cabin was 51 and it is 55 right now.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Winter worries

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Josh, 
I found bronze threaded tees and plugs from West Marine and use marelon barb 
fittings. The bronze fittings have tapered treads while the marelon fittings 
have straight thread which adds some drama, but a good seal is possible. I used 
full size fittings. I don't use teflon tape, but use a blue color Herculez 
Megalock pipe dope. I would suggest aviation gasket for joints you don't want 
to take apart. This is what I used, but I'm sure there are other options and 
sources such as McMaster Carr. 



Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Muckley"  
To: "cscheaffer" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:08:31 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries 



Chuck, 
I like the tee idea. I've been toying with a similar idea so that I can use the 
fresh water tanks to flush the saltwater from the engine after each use. 
However when I bought the boat the surveyor made a point to discredit the PVC 
fittings that were attached to the Marlon through hulls. I'm hesitant to 
replace them with Red Brass but can't find Marlon tees or nipples. 

What type material are the tees you chose made of? 

Everyone should be careful if choosing to reuse winterizing antifreeze. It 
takes a very small amount of dilution to significantly reduce the freeze 
protection 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C&C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 
On Nov 19, 2014 9:44 PM, "Chuck S via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Glad to hear you "got 'er done". Nice job taking off. You mentioned luck. We 
are lucky to have such detailed weather forecasts. 

The Tygon tube sounds interesting. I prefer the winterizing setup I use. Long 
ago, I read a Nigel Calder article that all thruhulls should have a tee 
installed to allow easy clearing. I replaced the 90 degree ell at the engine 
intake thruhull with a tee. To winterize the engine, I simply remove a plug, 
install a barb and hose and stick it into a bucket filled w antifreeze. I hang 
a bucket off the boom so it hangs off the transom and after I see strong pink 
color, I collect the exhaust water and reuse inside the boat. I winterize the 
drains and collect that pink water in a bucket from under the boat. Couldn't do 
that this year as I'm keeping her in water, but I did collect a couple of 
gallons from the engine exhaust even in the water. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 


From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < CnC-List@cnc-list.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:36:33 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winter worries 

I appreciate the advice and the fact that others were also concerned motived me 
to take the day off from work and try to solve the problem. I found the water 
in the intake strainer frozen, but no obvious damage. I put a space heater in 
the engine compartment for 3-4 hours and gave it a while after the obvious ice 
had melted, then started up the engine. The antifreeze pumped through normally 
and all appears well. I am glad I did not leave it for 3 more days to worry 
about. Dave 

BTW- This was the second time I have used my new winterizing approach and I am 
very happy with it. I ran tygon tube from deck level into the engine intake 
port on the bottom near the keel. With the right diameter tubing, it fits 
snugly into the opening and form a decent seal. I then fill the tubing with 
antifreeze from deck level and stick the end into a bucket of antifreeze up on 
the deck so I get a siphon (probably not necessary with the suction from the 
engine but I want it up there anyway to monitor the level). Start the engine 
and wait for the thermostat to open (it takes a few minutes) and it sucks the 
antifreeze through the system. I find this much easier than trying to get 
antifreeze into the system from the engine compartment and it means I can watch 
the bucket and the exhaust while the engine is running and do it all solo. 

On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Chuck S < cscheaf...@comcast.net > wrote: 




As you know, fresh water freezes before saltwater. If it was one day I might 
risk it. Three days of freezing out of the water, I think you have to do 
something. 

If there truly is nothing you can do, you've done all you can, don't worry. But 
I always think there is something we can do. Can you call someone to get a 
heater on board? Can you at least get someone to put a Droplight in the engine 
compartment? A single 100 watt lightbulb should be all that is needed. 

FYI, I worked halfday Monday, took care of all my obligations making sure my 
three schools had heat, took a half day off, drove 2 1/2 hrs to winterize my 
boat in the water, in the dark, drove 2 1/2 hrs home to be able to work today. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 


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To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < CnC-List@cnc-list.com > 
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