Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Sorry Ron.
Somewhere along the way this got serious.

Wally says he blew a container in his cockpit and asks for help 
cleaning it up. 
We rally some help and he sorta comes  clean, "I wasn't wearing 
shorts and "oiled myself".

Yada yada.
You suggest he  "may want to wrap them individually in plastic 
grocery bags and duct tape.  At least if they crack they'd be contained."


HILARIOUS. We should have stopped there.

Then it got too deep for me.
Cheers, Russ



At 09:05 PM 23/02/2015, you wrote:
I presume Wal will continue to use it, so this would be for future 
containment.
As for cleanup, one of the citrus products for oils & greases would 
be the best way.  More expensive than dishwasher soap, but quite effective.

Have no experience using the products on more sensitive skin areas.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Mon, 2/23/15, Russ & Melody  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
 To: "Ronald B. Frerker" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 8:11 PM



 Hi Ron,


 Are you talking about the original event or spill
 containment?
 :)


 Good question really, there was only one bottle but...


   Cheers,
 Russ

  Sweet
 mk-1




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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I presume Wal will continue to use it, so this would be for future containment.
As for cleanup, one of the citrus products for oils & greases would be the best 
way.  More expensive than dishwasher soap, but quite effective.
Have no experience using the products on more sensitive skin areas.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Mon, 2/23/15, Russ & Melody  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
 To: "Ronald B. Frerker" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 8:11 PM
 
 
 
 Hi Ron,
 
 
 Are you talking about the original event or spill
 containment?
 :)
 
 
 Good question really, there was only one bottle but...
 
 
   Cheers,
 Russ
 
  Sweet
 mk-1
 
 


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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Burt,

 

Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack 
and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major 
modifications to it) or a new sail cover.

 

You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. This 
is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others publish 
pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use.

 

A few points that you might find useful:

- If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for 
the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember correctly 
I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the boom). I 
eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around 100 ft. Keep 
in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to make it longer 
(;-).

 

- If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to the 
spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6" from the mast). This would make raising the sail much 
easier as the "slot" between the lines would be wider.

 

- Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks is 
fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line 
(chafe) in one season. YMMV.

 

- And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are not 
feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find something 
in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat Owners sells the 
Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a similar set (not brand 
name) for about $210. The fact that it is "Catalina Direct" does not mean that 
the set would not be useful, because there is nothing specific about the lazy 
jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A 
kit like that has an advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts, drill 
bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked you question, 
you might not have too much experience with boat work, so a kit like that might 
be an easier way to tackle the job.

 

Good luck

 

Marek (in cold Ottawa)

Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the 
wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year!

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: February-23-15 21:07
To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main

 

Dennis,

 

Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a 
little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. I 
was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport 
has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have been times I 
just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail only. This list is 
invaluable. Thanks

 

I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable upgrade 
to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is going to 
pick it up in March. I’ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it cost less than 
all new self-tailing winches. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main

 

Burt,

Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice.  I've installed several Harken 
Lazy Jack systems.

However, try this simple cost free solution.  This is what I do when single 
handing.

Release the halyard and let the sail drop.  Put a couple sail ties around your 
neck.  Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main to the 
other side.  Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself.  Continue 
until it's a compact roll.  Wrap a sail tie around the rolled/bundled sail 
tying it to the boom.

Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely.

I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main".

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

mandeville, LA

 

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful

 

I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some 
sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of 
one’s mains’l

 

I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on 
many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The 
function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or 
keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as 
a topping lift.

 

Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something 
we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, 
after all)

 

This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a cr

Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Gary – 

I’ve been digging for the information you referenced on “purchased” after 
1/1/15.  Can you send me a link for that?  

 

Thanks,

Pete

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:33 PM
To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

 

Joel, I checked with our CBYRA rep and was told that CBYRA is not the 
authority, it is PHRF of the Chesapeake. And I looked at the PHRF web site and 
it states that if the handheld is PURCHASED after 1/1/15, then it must have the 
DSC capability.

 

Gary

St. Michaels

- Original Message - 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List   

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:22 PM

Subject: Stus-List Handheld VHF with DSC

 

All, 

 

Found out that the local racing authority, CBYRA, will require a handheld VHF 
with DSC this season.

 

Looking at a Standard Horizon HX851 Handheld VHF Radio with GPS from 
theGPSStore for $125.00

 

Any reason I should not buy this unit?

 

35/3

The Office

Annapolis

Joel 
301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

There you go, Wally. Wear a younger man's clothes when you go shopping.
Keep his wallet, too.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 23 February 2015 at 18:18, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The last time I bought mystery oil (when I wore a younger man’s clothes)
> it came in a metal container. I think I still have it.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *JOHN
> D IRVIN via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 9:14 PM
> *To:* Russ & Melody; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
>
>
>
> Transfer the stuff to more solid containers!
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 23, 2015 9:11 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> Are you talking about the original event or spill containment? :)
>
> Good question really, there was only one bottle but...
>
>  Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *mk-1
>
> At 01:02 PM 23/02/2015, you wrote:
>
> Wally,
> You may want to wrap them individually in plastic grocery bags and duct
> tape.  At least if they crack they'd be contained.
> Like a UST, need secondary containment!
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C&C 30-1
> STL
>
> 
> On Mon, 2/23/15, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
>  To: "Russ & Melody" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 9:51 AM
>
>  Russ wrote:
>  > This helpful hint from the Medical
>  Officer, Amazing Grace crew in
>  >
>  response to the forward I sent out. 
>
>  Thanks Russ - Down here in
>  Mexico they don't have that, but they do have
>  something called Benzal that is the same
>  thing.  That's good for a
>  giggle.
>  One must be careful, though, as there are two kinds of
>  Benzal.
>  One's a lubricant, the other
>  is for yeast infections. If you don't know
>  your Spanish, it's easy to get them mixed
>  up.
>
>  In the end it took an
>  entire bottle of dish soap to emulsify the stuff.
>  I feel like writing them a letter and showing
>  them a picture of the
>  cracked plastic
>  bottle.  All I did was pick it up and the plastic
>  cracked.  Grr.
>
>  Joe - I put a capful in the gas for my
>  outboard, as well as in the Honda
>  2000.
>  You can also put it in diesel and crankcase oil, but I
>  don't.
>
>  Wal
>
>  --
>  s/v Stella
>  Blue
>   www.wbryant.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

The last time I bought mystery oil (when I wore a younger man’s clothes) it 
came in a metal container. I think I still have it. 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of JOHN D IRVIN 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:14 PM
To: Russ & Melody; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

 

Transfer the stuff to more solid containers!

 

On Monday, February 23, 2015 9:11 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:

 

Hi Ron,

Are you talking about the original event or spill containment? :)

Good question really, there was only one bottle but...

 Cheers, Russ
Sweet mk-1

At 01:02 PM 23/02/2015, you wrote:



Wally,
You may want to wrap them individually in plastic grocery bags and duct tape.  
At least if they crack they'd be contained.
Like a UST, need secondary containment!
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Mon, 2/23/15, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
 To: "Russ & Melody" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 9:51 AM
 
 Russ wrote:
 > This helpful hint from the Medical
 Officer, Amazing Grace crew in 
 >
 response to the forward I sent out. 
 
 Thanks Russ - Down here in
 Mexico they don't have that, but they do have 
 something called Benzal that is the same
 thing.  That's good for a 
 giggle. 
 One must be careful, though, as there are two kinds of
 Benzal.  
 One's a lubricant, the other
 is for yeast infections. If you don't know 
 your Spanish, it's easy to get them mixed
 up.
 
 In the end it took an
 entire bottle of dish soap to emulsify the stuff.  
 I feel like writing them a letter and showing
 them a picture of the 
 cracked plastic
 bottle.  All I did was pick it up and the plastic 
 cracked.  Grr.
 
 Joe - I put a capful in the gas for my
 outboard, as well as in the Honda 
 2000. 
 You can also put it in diesel and crankcase oil, but I
 don't.
 
 Wal
 
 -- 
 s/v Stella
 Blue
  www.wbryant.com  
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Thanks, Rick.

 

Another upgrade on my list is “George”. My helm is a tiller so I think you can 
imagine how much fun it is to set or douse the main when single handing. The 
auto helm for my tiller will eliminate the need for an entire crew member.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:57 PM
To: 'Indigo'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main

 

Burt,

 

My Admiral (who is much more a “Landsman” than “Able Bodied Seaman”) and I 
basically use the system that Jonathan describes for dousing the sails on my 
38. She steers (or minds George the autopilot) and eases the halyard while I 
flake the luff of the sail at the mast, and then move to the aft end of the 
boom to finish flaking and put on the sail ties.

 

The system is more of a fire drill when I need to do it when alone (except for 
George). I ease the halyard a scosh as I come into the wind, and then set 
George. Half a turn on the cabin top winch to lead the halyard forward to the 
mast, and then I can lower and flake by myself. I got used to doing this on my 
25, which has the halyard at the mast, and it’s actually fairly easy on a 
smaller boat.

 

There are basically three systems to help you douse the main. Douse – not Furl. 
And each can actually become exasperating when raising the main if you are not 
dead into the wind as the sail starts up because the top battens in the main 
can get fouled under the lines and prevent the sail from going up.

 

The most common system, and what you have most probably seen on other boats -  
is called Lazy Jacks. These are essentially small lines lead from partway up 
the mast to a point part way back on the boom, and outside the sail on either 
side. When the sail is lowered it sort of crumples down between the lines and 
stays more or less on top of the boom. You can flake it later at the dock, and  
it is best if you have a sail cover designed to accommodate the lazy jacks.

 

System two is commonly called a stack pack. You see it pretty commonly on 
cruising catamarans. It is like a set of Lazy Jacks, except that your sail 
cover becomes the lower part of the lazy jack system, and you just stuff the 
sail down a bit and zip the sail cover closed over the top of the sail. The 
drawbacks are (1) that the sail has to be attached to the boom or sandwiched in 
between the two sides of the sail cover, so that you lose the sail shape you 
would get with a loose foot sail, and (2) the top of zipper on the top of the 
sail cover can get inconveniently  high off the deck. I have friends with a 
stack pack on an Endevour 35, and they need to bring a 3 step kitchen ladder up 
on the cabin top to unzip or rezip the cover.

 

The third system is called a Dutchman (wish I knew why). In this system you 
have a set of lines that run vertically from the topping lift to the top of the 
boom. Your sail has a set of cringles (holes) in it and the vertical lines 
weave from the port side of the sail to the starboard side of the sail as they 
go up. Then when you drop the sail, it slides down the lines and – in a perfect 
world – if flakes itself on the top of the mast. It works really cool if you 
install it when you get a new sail, so the sail gets a permanent set of creases 
along the flake. The drawbacks here are (1) that you must have a topping lift 
for the boom, (2) it’s a real PITA when the topping lift gets tangled in the 
backstay when you tack or gybe, and (3) you need to remember to play with the 
topping lift when you adjust outhaul, Cunningham, etc. to adjust sail shape in 
changing wind conditions.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:56 PM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main

 

Agree that lazy jacks are one way to make fueling the main easy. However I use 
a simple method whenever short handed or even fully crewed.  Pass halyard with 
one turn around the winch to the helm. One crew goes to the mast and from in 
front of the mast facing after "flakes" the luff by pulling the rope bolt 
between the slides to alternate sides while the helm lets down the sail. With 
practice and coordination the sail can com down pretty fast. The leech is left 
to fall wherever. Once the sail is full down the person at the mast moves to 
the leech. And following the flakes at the luff, flakes the whole sail, putting 
sail ties on as he moves forward along the boom. Works well for me and the 
admiral on my 35mIII. 

--

Jonathan

Indigo C&C 35III

SOUTHPORT CT


On Feb 23, 2015, at 19:15, Burt Stratton via CnC-List  
wrote:

This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful

 

I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some 
sort of rigg

Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List]

Transfer the stuff to more solid containers! 

 On Monday, February 23, 2015 9:11 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:
   

 Hi Ron,

Are you talking about the original event or spill containment?:)

Good question really, there was only one bottle but...

  Cheers,Russ
 Sweetmk-1

At 01:02 PM 23/02/2015, you wrote:

Wally,
You may want to wrap them individually in plastic grocery bags and ducttape.  
At least if they crack they'd be contained.
Like a UST, need secondary containment!
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Mon, 2/23/15, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
 To: "Russ & Melody" ,cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 9:51 AM
 
 Russ wrote:
 > This helpful hint from the Medical
 Officer, Amazing Grace crew in 
 >
 response to the forward I sent out. 
 
 Thanks Russ - Down here in
 Mexico they don't have that, but they do have 
 something called Benzal that is the same
 thing.  That's good for a 
 giggle. 
 One must be careful, though, as there are two kinds of
 Benzal.  
 One's a lubricant, the other
 is for yeast infections. If you don't know 
 your Spanish, it's easy to get them mixed
 up.
 
 In the end it took an
 entire bottle of dish soap to emulsify the stuff.  
 I feel like writing them a letter and showing
 them a picture of the 
 cracked plastic
 bottle.  All I did was pick it up and the plastic 
 cracked.  Grr.
 
 Joe - I put a capful in the gas for my
 outboard, as well as in the Honda 
 2000. 
 You can also put it in diesel and crankcase oil, but I
 don't.
 
 Wal
 
 -- 
 s/v Stella
 Blue
 www.wbryant.com
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Ron,

Are you talking about the original event or spill containment? :)

Good question really, there was only one bottle but...

Cheers, Russ
Sweet mk-1

At 01:02 PM 23/02/2015, you wrote:

Wally,
You may want to wrap them individually in plastic grocery bags and 
duct tape.  At least if they crack they'd be contained.

Like a UST, need secondary containment!
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Mon, 2/23/15, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
 To: "Russ & Melody" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 9:51 AM

 Russ wrote:
 > This helpful hint from the Medical
 Officer, Amazing Grace crew in
 >
 response to the forward I sent out. 

 Thanks Russ - Down here in
 Mexico they don't have that, but they do have
 something called Benzal that is the same
 thing.  That's good for a
 giggle.
 One must be careful, though, as there are two kinds of
 Benzal.
 One's a lubricant, the other
 is for yeast infections. If you don't know
 your Spanish, it's easy to get them mixed
 up.

 In the end it took an
 entire bottle of dish soap to emulsify the stuff.
 I feel like writing them a letter and showing
 them a picture of the
 cracked plastic
 bottle.  All I did was pick it up and the plastic
 cracked.  Grr.

 Joe - I put a capful in the gas for my
 outboard, as well as in the Honda
 2000.
 You can also put it in diesel and crankcase oil, but I
 don't.

 Wal

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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Dennis,

 

Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a 
little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. I 
was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport 
has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have been times I 
just gave up on the main and sailed with head sail only. This list is 
invaluable. Thanks

 

I will look into the lazy jack system. I think it would be a reasonable upgrade 
to my rig. I am having the entire rig inspected soon. The rigger is going to 
pick it up in March. I’ll speak to them about this. Hopefully it cost less than 
all new self-tailing winches. 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main

 

Burt,

Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice.  I've installed several Harken 
Lazy Jack systems.

However, try this simple cost free solution.  This is what I do when single 
handing.

Release the halyard and let the sail drop.  Put a couple sail ties around your 
neck.  Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main to the 
other side.  Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself.  Continue 
until it's a compact roll.  Wrap a sail tie around the rolled/bundled sail 
tying it to the boom.

Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely.

I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main".

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

mandeville, LA

 

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful

 

I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some 
sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of 
one’s mains’l

 

I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on 
many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The 
function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or 
keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as 
a topping lift.

 

Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something 
we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we are sailors, 
after all)

 

This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that 
specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat 
(roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.

 

1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner

On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow

Walpole, MA

 


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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Burt,

 

My Admiral (who is much more a “Landsman” than “Able Bodied Seaman”) and I 
basically use the system that Jonathan describes for dousing the sails on my 
38. She steers (or minds George the autopilot) and eases the halyard while I 
flake the luff of the sail at the mast, and then move to the aft end of the 
boom to finish flaking and put on the sail ties.

 

The system is more of a fire drill when I need to do it when alone (except for 
George). I ease the halyard a scosh as I come into the wind, and then set 
George. Half a turn on the cabin top winch to lead the halyard forward to the 
mast, and then I can lower and flake by myself. I got used to doing this on my 
25, which has the halyard at the mast, and it’s actually fairly easy on a 
smaller boat.

 

There are basically three systems to help you douse the main. Douse – not Furl. 
And each can actually become exasperating when raising the main if you are not 
dead into the wind as the sail starts up because the top battens in the main 
can get fouled under the lines and prevent the sail from going up.

 

The most common system, and what you have most probably seen on other boats -  
is called Lazy Jacks. These are essentially small lines lead from partway up 
the mast to a point part way back on the boom, and outside the sail on either 
side. When the sail is lowered it sort of crumples down between the lines and 
stays more or less on top of the boom. You can flake it later at the dock, and  
it is best if you have a sail cover designed to accommodate the lazy jacks.

 

System two is commonly called a stack pack. You see it pretty commonly on 
cruising catamarans. It is like a set of Lazy Jacks, except that your sail 
cover becomes the lower part of the lazy jack system, and you just stuff the 
sail down a bit and zip the sail cover closed over the top of the sail. The 
drawbacks are (1) that the sail has to be attached to the boom or sandwiched in 
between the two sides of the sail cover, so that you lose the sail shape you 
would get with a loose foot sail, and (2) the top of zipper on the top of the 
sail cover can get inconveniently  high off the deck. I have friends with a 
stack pack on an Endevour 35, and they need to bring a 3 step kitchen ladder up 
on the cabin top to unzip or rezip the cover.

 

The third system is called a Dutchman (wish I knew why). In this system you 
have a set of lines that run vertically from the topping lift to the top of the 
boom. Your sail has a set of cringles (holes) in it and the vertical lines 
weave from the port side of the sail to the starboard side of the sail as they 
go up. Then when you drop the sail, it slides down the lines and – in a perfect 
world – if flakes itself on the top of the mast. It works really cool if you 
install it when you get a new sail, so the sail gets a permanent set of creases 
along the flake. The drawbacks here are (1) that you must have a topping lift 
for the boom, (2) it’s a real PITA when the topping lift gets tangled in the 
backstay when you tack or gybe, and (3) you need to remember to play with the 
topping lift when you adjust outhaul, Cunningham, etc. to adjust sail shape in 
changing wind conditions.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:56 PM
To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main

 

Agree that lazy jacks are one way to make fueling the main easy. However I use 
a simple method whenever short handed or even fully crewed.  Pass halyard with 
one turn around the winch to the helm. One crew goes to the mast and from in 
front of the mast facing after "flakes" the luff by pulling the rope bolt 
between the slides to alternate sides while the helm lets down the sail. With 
practice and coordination the sail can com down pretty fast. The leech is left 
to fall wherever. Once the sail is full down the person at the mast moves to 
the leech. And following the flakes at the luff, flakes the whole sail, putting 
sail ties on as he moves forward along the boom. Works well for me and the 
admiral on my 35mIII. 

--

Jonathan

Indigo C&C 35III

SOUTHPORT CT


On Feb 23, 2015, at 19:15, Burt Stratton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful

 

I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some 
sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of 
one’s mains’l

 

I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on 
many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The 
function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or 
keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as 
a topping lift.

 

Mt question is what 

Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

I've marked my main's luff folding points with alternating red and green
permanent markings. Over the years the main has learned that this is how
it's going to happen. When lowering the main it's easy to instruct
mixologian crew to put the green marks to their left (they're facing aft).
This keeps Mister Mxyzptlk at bay.
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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Burt,

Lazy jacks, Dutchman systems, etc. are all nice.  I've installed several
Harken Lazy Jack systems.

However, try this simple cost free solution.  This is what I do when single
handing.

Release the halyard and let the sail drop.  Put a couple sail ties around
your neck.  Stand on one side of the boom in the middle and throw the main
to the other side.  Then lean over the boom and roll the sail into itself.
Continue until it's a compact roll.  Wrap a sail tie around the
rolled/bundled sail tying it to the boom.

Once you're anchored or docked, undo the roll and flake it nicely.

I heard this technique described as "pocketing the main".

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
mandeville, LA

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and
> helpful
>
>
>
> I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is
> some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and
> lowering of one’s mains’l
>
>
>
> I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen
> them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of
> the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when
> lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it
> might second as a topping lift.
>
>
>
> Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it
> something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we
> are sailors, after all)
>
>
>
> This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that
> specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat
> (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.
>
>
>
> 1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner
>
> On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow
>
> Walpole, MA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Indigo via CnC-List]

Agree that lazy jacks are one way to make fueling the main easy. However I use 
a simple method whenever short handed or even fully crewed.  Pass halyard with 
one turn around the winch to the helm. One crew goes to the mast and from in 
front of the mast facing after "flakes" the luff by pulling the rope bolt 
between the slides to alternate sides while the helm lets down the sail. With 
practice and coordination the sail can com down pretty fast. The leech is left 
to fall wherever. Once the sail is full down the person at the mast moves to 
the leech. And following the flakes at the luff, flakes the whole sail, putting 
sail ties on as he moves forward along the boom. Works well for me and the 
admiral on my 35mIII. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Feb 23, 2015, at 19:15, Burt Stratton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and helpful
>  
> I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some 
> sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of 
> one’s mains’l
>  
> I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them 
> on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. 
> The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or 
> keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second 
> as a topping lift.
>  
> Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it 
> something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we 
> are sailors, after all)
>  
> This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that 
> specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat 
> (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.
>  
> 1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner
> On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow
> Walpole, MA
>  
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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Burt,

Lazy-jacks, Stackpack (Doyle sails), Mack Pack...
I'm having my Stackpack replaced this winter, makes life a lot easier when
solo, or with mixologists.

Chuck
Elusive
C&C 34


*508-642-3557*

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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and
> helpful
>
>
>
> I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is
> some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and
> lowering of one’s mains’l
>
>
>
> I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen
> them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of
> the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when
> lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it
> might second as a topping lift.
>
>
>
> Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it
> something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we
> are sailors, after all)
>
>
>
> This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that
> specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat
> (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.
>
>
>
> 1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner
>
> On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow
>
> Walpole, MA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Burt,

It is likely the term you are looking for is "lazy jacks".  There are several 
type including a brand name known as "Dutchman".

If you look around the Harken web site you will find some good diagrams of 
common style lazy jacks.

On Calypso we use the Harken type lazy jack set up with Harken Batt Cars and 
full battens to allow for single handed lowering of the main sail.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:16 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Furling the main

This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind... and helpful

I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some 
sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of 
one's mains'l

I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them on 
many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the main. The 
function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when lowering or 
keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it might second as 
a topping lift.

Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it something 
we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves... because we are 
sailors, after all)

This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that 
specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat 
(roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.

1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner
On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow
Walpole, MA

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Re: Stus-List Furling the main

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Burt,

Lazy jacks.  There are kits or you could DIY.

Joel

On Monday, February 23, 2015, Burt Stratton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind… and
> helpful
>
>
>
> I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is
> some sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and
> lowering of one’s mains’l
>
>
>
> I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen
> them on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of
> the main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when
> lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it
> might second as a topping lift.
>
>
>
> Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it
> something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves… because we
> are sailors, after all)
>
>
>
> This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that
> specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat
> (roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.
>
>
>
> 1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner
>
> On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow
>
> Walpole, MA
>
>
>


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Stus-List Furling the main

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

This is another newby question but I know you guys will be kind. and helpful

 

I spoke with another sailor this weekend who informed me that there is some
sort of rigging set up that actually assists in the raising and lowering of
one's mains'l

 

I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called but I have seen them
on many other yachts. It looks like a web of lines on both sides of the
main. The function being to help furl it onto the top of your boom when
lowering or keeping it out of the water when raising. It also looks like it
might second as a topping lift.

 

Mt question is what is it called and where might I find it (or is it
something we just make out of spare lines and install ourselves. because we
are sailors, after all)

 

This could be the answer to my primary concern sailing with a crew that
specializes in mixology. I can furl my jib myself while driving the boat
(roller furl). The main is by far my biggest challenge.

 

1974 C&C 33 - 3 quarter tonner

On keel blocks in 5 feet of snow

Walpole, MA

 

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Re: Stus-List 1971 C&C 41C For Sale

[Laura Norris via CnC-List]

Andy, it is a custom design, only three made, with center cockpit. I’m not 
familiar with the Crusader or Redline. Is it allowed for me to post the flyer 
(a PDF file) on this list serve? We don’t have it linked to a website, and I’m 
not very computer savvy.
Laura Norris

On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> I'm not familiar with the 41C. Is that like the Crusader 40 or the 
> Redline/Newport 41?
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Laura Norris via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> We are looking to sell our 1971 C&C 41C, “Badness.” Seeing if anyone here on 
> the list serve may be interested before we advertise to the public. Price is 
> $30,000. If interested, call or contact us via email at 
> mailto:lauranor...@windstream.net and we'll send you the flyer with photos 
> and specs. Boat is currently located at Dallas Bluff Marina, Georgia, halfway 
> between Savannah and Brunswick.
> 
> Roger & Laura Norris
> 1971 C&C 41C “Badness”
> 229-424-0758 (home) or 229-424-5760 (cell)
> 
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Re: Stus-List cockpit drains freezing

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Mike,

my drains were frozen yesterday with several inches of water in the
cockpit, but it was a one time occurence, so I put a small heater in the
lazarette and let the hose/seacock thaw.  Where you are I would thing a
cockpit cover would be prudent

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis

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>  NS has seen many freeze thaw cycles this winter. After a fairly
> substantial rainfall this weekend, I found the bilge on my C&C 33mkii was
> full to the top. This seemed like too much water to have run down the mast
> so I investigated and found that one of the hoses on my cockpit drains was
> frozen solid and popped the hose off the barbs of the drain. My boat is not
> covered at this time(tarp was sagging too much) so there is a lot of water
> in the cockpit.  I'm thinking there may be a low spot in the hose causing
> water to freeze there rather than draining. The drains on my C&C are
> criss-crossed, i.e., port drainst to stbd, &stbd to port. Just wondering
> how other owners in a freezing climate deal with this issue?
>


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Re: Stus-List 1971 C&C 41C For Sale

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I think everyone would probably like to see the flyer if you don't mind.
We all find ourselves "shopping" from time to time.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
 On Feb 23, 2015 6:05 PM, "Laura Norris via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> We are looking to sell our 1971 C&C 41C, "Badness." Seeing if anyone here
> on the list serve may be interested before we advertise to the public.
> Price is $30,000. If interested, call or contact us via email at
> mailto:lauranor...@windstream.net  and we'll
> send you the flyer with photos and specs. Boat is currently located at
> Dallas Bluff Marina, Georgia, halfway between Savannah and Brunswick.
>
> Roger & Laura Norris
> 1971 C&C 41C "Badness"
> 229-424-0758 (home) or 229-424-5760 (cell)
>
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Re: Stus-List 1971 C&C 41C For Sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'm not familiar with the 41C. Is that like the Crusader 40 or the
Redline/Newport 41?
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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> We are looking to sell our 1971 C&C 41C, “Badness.” Seeing if anyone here
> on the list serve may be interested before we advertise to the public.
> Price is $30,000. If interested, call or contact us via email at
> mailto:lauranor...@windstream.net  and we'll
> send you the flyer with photos and specs. Boat is currently located at
> Dallas Bluff Marina, Georgia, halfway between Savannah and Brunswick.
>
> Roger & Laura Norris
> 1971 C&C 41C “Badness”
> 229-424-0758 (home) or 229-424-5760 (cell)
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Stus-List cockpit drains freezing

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NS has seen many freeze thaw cycles this winter. After a fairly substantial 
rainfall this weekend, I found the bilge on my C&C 33mkii was full to the top. 
This seemed like too much water to have run down the mast so I investigated and 
found that one of the hoses on my cockpit drains was frozen solid and popped 
the hose off the barbs of the drain. My boat is not covered at this time(tarp 
was sagging too much) so there is a lot of water in the cockpit.  I'm thinking 
there may be a low spot in the hose causing water to freeze there rather than 
draining. The drains on my C&C are criss-crossed, i.e., port drainst to stbd, 
&stbd to port. Just wondering how other owners in a freezing climate deal with 
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Stus-List 1971 C&C 41C For Sale

[Laura Norris via CnC-List]

We are looking to sell our 1971 C&C 41C, “Badness.” Seeing if anyone here on 
the list serve may be interested before we advertise to the public. Price is 
$30,000. If interested, call or contact us via email at 
mailto:lauranor...@windstream.net and we'll send you the flyer with photos and 
specs. Boat is currently located at Dallas Bluff Marina, Georgia, halfway 
between Savannah and Brunswick.

Roger & Laura Norris
1971 C&C 41C “Badness”
229-424-0758 (home) or 229-424-5760 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Handheld VHF with GPS and DSC

[Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List]

I’ve seen some good prices on Amazon. The rechargeable battery from my handheld 
Standard Horizon died and I am using AA now.

The price for the battery is about $95 and it is a n 8 years old unit.  SO I 
want one too!!! 

 

Yanni Boatless in Ontario

Not for long…

 

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible

95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible

90 Dodge Spirit 3.0 soon to be turbo

07 Yamaha Straotoliner S

TurboDodge 25298

SCRC 011059

SRO 26-6483

 

TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: February 21, 2015 10:18 PM
To: CnClist
Subject: Stus-List Handheld VHF with GPS and DSC

 

Dammit, Joel.  Now you started something.  I was perfectly happy with my 
handheld VHF until you got me looking at the new ones.

Mentioned it to the Admiral.  She kinda likes the idea.  We started asking 
ourselves why we would need a handheld VHF with GPS and DSC.  We have DSC, AIS, 
all that stuff in the fixed unit.  The only time we use the handheld is in the 
dinghy.

We came up with a few "justifications" for the upgrade.  Like:

*   a health emergency while we were in the dinghy
*   attaching it to a throwable and tossing it to a MOB
*   keeping it clipped on the bowman in case he (me) goes overboard
*   we can sell the old one on eBay
*   we just want one

C'mon listers, why else would we pop for a new handheld VHF?

FYI, I'd probably buy the Standard Horizon HX870 for $210.

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Wally,
You may want to wrap them individually in plastic grocery bags and duct tape.  
At least if they crack they'd be contained.
Like a UST, need secondary containment!
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Mon, 2/23/15, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil
 To: "Russ & Melody" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 9:51 AM
 
 Russ wrote:
 > This helpful hint from the Medical
 Officer, Amazing Grace crew in 
 >
 response to the forward I sent out. 
 
 Thanks Russ - Down here in
 Mexico they don't have that, but they do have 
 something called Benzal that is the same
 thing.  That's good for a 
 giggle. 
 One must be careful, though, as there are two kinds of
 Benzal.  
 One's a lubricant, the other
 is for yeast infections. If you don't know 
 your Spanish, it's easy to get them mixed
 up.
 
 In the end it took an
 entire bottle of dish soap to emulsify the stuff.  
 I feel like writing them a letter and showing
 them a picture of the 
 cracked plastic
 bottle.  All I did was pick it up and the plastic 
 cracked.  Grr.
 
 Joe - I put a capful in the gas for my
 outboard, as well as in the Honda 
 2000. 
 You can also put it in diesel and crankcase oil, but I
 don't.
 
 Wal
 
 -- 
 s/v Stella
 Blue
 www.wbryant.com
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

If you have an Atomic 4, you could try removing one of the spark plugs.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <
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   Does anyone know how to safely remove Marvel Mystery Oil from the male
> genitalia?  I sent an email to Moyer Marine but haven't heard back.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

Russ wrote:
This helpful hint from the Medical Officer, Amazing Grace crew in 
response to the forward I sent out. 


Thanks Russ - Down here in Mexico they don't have that, but they do have 
something called Benzal that is the same thing.  That's good for a 
giggle.  One must be careful, though, as there are two kinds of Benzal.  
One's a lubricant, the other is for yeast infections. If you don't know 
your Spanish, it's easy to get them mixed up.


In the end it took an entire bottle of dish soap to emulsify the stuff.  
I feel like writing them a letter and showing them a picture of the 
cracked plastic bottle.  All I did was pick it up and the plastic 
cracked.  Grr.


Joe - I put a capful in the gas for my outboard, as well as in the Honda 
2000.  You can also put it in diesel and crankcase oil, but I don't.


Wal

--
s/v Stella Blue
www.wbryant.com


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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Soap is the usual way to remove oils.
Wally: What do you use it for? I thought only A4s made us of the stuff.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & 
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:02 AM
To: Russ & Melody; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil


Hi Wal,

Murray had a follow-up question to your situation:
Can you include a list of what he has on hand?



At 08:10 PM 22/02/2015, you wrote:

Hi Wally,

This helpful hint from the Medical Officer, Amazing Grace crew in response to 
the forward I sent out.

We had a beautiful day on the course today. 10 knot breeze, 12 C  (54 F) and 
sunny all day. I think this promise of global warming thing is working okay for 
the West Coasters. :)
Line honours was easy but we corrected to first by FIVE seconds! Whew.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

*
I'd say try KY Jelly as it comes in a tube instead and is water soluble.

Murray

**
On Sunday, February 22, 2015, Russ & Melody 
mailto:russ...@telus.net>> wrote:
Any ideas for this wayward sailor in Mexico?
Stella Blue is a C&C Landfill 38. He's been cruising there more than a few 
years now.
Cheers, Russ



From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Reply-To: Wally Bryant mailto:w...@wbryant.com>>, 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Okay, I've had it.  This is the second time.  I've noticed over the last many 
years that plastic bottles here in Mexico tend to bereally thin.  A few years 
ago a bottle of Marvel Mystery Oil exploded in my cockpit, but at that time it 
was on the sole and made a huge mess on the ocean.
Today another bottle exploded on me when I tried to open it.  It was just a 
result of cheap plastic packaging.  My entire cockpit, including myself and 
the swimming trunks that I wear, are covered in Marvel Mystery Oil. I'm at 
anchor, so this is a big deal.
Eff this stuff.
Wal













At 05:19 PM 22/02/2015, you wrote:

Actually, to be totally honest, I wasn't wearing swim trunks.   Does anyone 
know how to safely remove Marvel Mystery Oil from the male genitalia?  I sent 
an email to Moyer Marine but haven't heard back.

Please don't suggest Acetone.  I tried that.  Ouch.  

Wal

I wrote:

My entire cockpit, including myself and the swimming trunks that I wear, are 
covered in Marvel Mystery Oil. I'm at anchor, so this is a big deal.



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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

At least he wasn't into the bottom paint or 5200!


* Never use 5200 on a date unless you really like the girl and never 
plan to be apart again.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
From: Frederick G Street [mailto:f...@postaudio.net]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:52 AM
To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

He's been in Mexico for several years; and we're talking Wal here.  Do we 
really want to know...?   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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Wally: What do you use it for?

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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

He’s been in Mexico for several years; and we’re talking Wal here.  Do we 
really want to know…?   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 23, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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> Wally: What do you use it for?

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Re: Stus-List Marvel Mystery Oil

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Wal,

Murray had a follow-up question to your situation:
Can you include a list of what he has on hand?



At 08:10 PM 22/02/2015, you wrote:

Hi Wally,

This helpful hint from the Medical Officer, 
Amazing Grace crew in response to the forward I sent out.


We had a beautiful day on the course today. 10 
knot breeze, 12 C  (54 F) and sunny all day. I 
think this promise of global warming thing is 
working okay for the West Coasters. :)

Line honours was easy but we corrected to first by FIVE seconds! Whew.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

*
I'd say try KY Jelly as it comes in a tube instead and is water soluble.

Murray

**
On Sunday, February 22, 2015, Russ & Melody 
<russ...@telus.net> wrote:


Any ideas for this wayward sailor in Mexico?
Stella Blue is a C&C Landfill 38. He's been 
cruising there more than a few years now.

Cheers, Russ



From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
Reply-To: Wally Bryant , cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Okay, I've had it.  This is the second 
time.  I've noticed over the last many years 
that plastic bottles here in Mexico tend to 
bereally thin.  A few years ago a bottle of 
Marvel Mystery Oil exploded in my cockpit, but 
at that time it was on the sole and made a huge mess on the ocean.
Today another bottle exploded on me when I 
tried to open it.  It was just a result of 
cheap plastic packaging.  My entire cockpit, 
including myself and the swimming trunks that I 
wear, are covered in Marvel Mystery Oil. I'm at anchor, so this is a big deal.

Eff this stuff.
Wal














At 05:19 PM 22/02/2015, you wrote:
Actually, to be totally honest, I wasn't 
wearing swim trunks.   Does anyone know how to 
safely remove Marvel Mystery Oil from the male 
genitalia?  I sent an email to Moyer Marine but haven't heard back.


Please don't suggest Acetone.  I tried that.  Ouch.  

Wal

I wrote:
My entire cockpit, including myself and the 
swimming trunks that I wear, are covered in 
Marvel Mystery Oil. I'm at anchor, so this is a big deal.




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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

The winchers do not work very well as a substitute for a self-tailing 
winch, but they DO provide a welcome cushion when you bang a knee or 
shin into a winch. I left them on for that reason alone.


Bill Bina


On 2/23/2015 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


Our J27 came with the blue winchers on the primaries.

They are on the bottom of the Northumberland Strait now

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*Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 4:41 PM
*To:* mike amirault; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Mike,

did you have Winchmates or Winchers?

Harry

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:36 PM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
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I had those winchmate things on my Mirage, did not care for them
at all and cut them off.

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Re: Stus-List Barient Winch Spares

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Our J27 came with the blue winchers on the primaries.

They are on the bottom of the Northumberland Strait now

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Harry 
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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 4:41 PM
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Mike,
did you have Winchmates or Winchers?
Harry
Sent from my iPad

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I had those winchmate things on my Mirage, did not care for them at all and cut 
them off.
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Re: Stus-List Lose Hardware/Leaking Boat

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Funny

I sailed a whole season with vice grips attached to a nut aft of a 
quarterberth.  Took them off just before we sold the boat.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant 
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Yeah, I once found a pair of vice grips that way, clamped onto the bottom of a 
nut for my stanchion bases.  I'd been looking for it for years.  Sometimes it's 
just such a relief to finish and go home that one forgets...



Dan  wrote:
> worse yet I found a 3/8" ratchet
> drive with a 7/16" socket jammed up in the overhead rusted to one of 
> the bolts; had to use WD40 to dislodge the tool.  Seems someone was 
> mid-stream on installing the bracket and became distracted.


--
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www.wbryant.com


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Re: Stus-List salt water siphoning into sink

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Mike
Just to go back to the days when I had my C&C 24...we did just as much
coastal cruising in that boat as we do nowadays in Alianna and back then we
were happy to have one sink and our fresh water tank was only about 6
gallons so we had to conserve...we rowed our tender ashore and bathed in
streams along the coast wherever possible and we also took some saltwater
baths too...no domestic hot water in those days but very refreshing...we
used the sun shower bag which we kept filled with fresh water for rinsing
off...we had several favourite regular stream bathing spots that we visited
year after year...we had great fun cruising in that boat so I guess what I
am saying is that 2 sinks are not a necessity; more of a luxury at least
for coastal cruising.  I hope you find a way to fix what appears to me to
be a design flaw with the sink in your 33 MKII: I think your best and most
seaman-like approach may be to close the hull valve before getting under
way and use the galley sink when necessary while under sail...but really my
own experience tells me that 2 sinks are not a necessity at all...did your
Mirage 25 have 2 sinks

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


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>  Is there a need for 2 sinks? There certainly is if you are spending 10
> days cruising.
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