Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Rich Ran into Barry Clarke yesterday at the club. He is very happy with Indigo and says he sailed on it quite a bit last year and before that. He is itching to get it launched! For any who do not know Barry’s claim to fame was as a goalie in the Rockingham Minor Hockey system on our Pee Wee and Atom “A” teams. He also had a CC 33-2 for many years. .. and oh yeah – he is also known for being a well respected Doctor of medicine Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 2:31 AM To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Thanks, Russ! Yep, it’s all over. Money in the bank and some already spent. Not sure what’s next. We’ll see. Meantime, I’m hanging out here unless I’m kicked off. Cheers Rich Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On May 22, 2015, at 22:24, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Rich, Best wishes on the second or third happiest day of your life. (Wedding days are currently under discussion at the institute.) Can we assume the sale is final? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 10:05 PM 22/05/2015, you wrote: Pretty much every marine engine has a connector or two in the engine/panel wiring harness. They are there to make installation convenient at the factory, but, after a few years, can cause a lot of problems as corrosion and wear set in. I’ve seen electrical problems on every size of boat regardless of make or engine type that bypassing these connectors has frequently cured. I suggest cutting out the connectors and splicing the individual wires together using top quality heat shrink crimp butt connectors. In the event that the engine has to be serviced, removed, or replaced, the wires can be severed and rejoined as needed. I’m not sure that this is the root of your problems but it’s a good place to start. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC Boatless. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery
I discovered that the radiator cap on the after market heat exchanger was worn and allowing anti-freeze to escape when the engine heated up. Replaced the radiator cap with a new one and it seems to have solved that problem. I too had drain valves that would mysteriously open. Solved that problem first, but the problem persisted and found the radiator cap issue. Gremlins pop up in many places. -- Original Message -- From: robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca Sent: 5/24/2015 9:24:58 PM Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery John: Thank you both good tips...your first one could be the culprit but your second one could also be the culprit.the antifreeze (Preston) is approx. 8 years oldI will flush and replace it before Fall layup and see what happens. As I said earlier, it does not happen after launch and before hauljust during the cold of winter. A few years back, one of the engine block antifreeze drain valves came loose during the sailing motoring season which was noticed when antifreeze entered the bilgea little stress until the loose valve was detected. Some times we get lucky! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-24 3:33 PM, John Russo via CnC-List wrote: Check to insure your engine block drain valves are tight before winter storage. Second thought is weird but offered anyhow. Is antifreeze fresh? Could there be a blockage somewhere where the antifreeze is diluted and freezes which would expand and force the top stuff out somehow. I said it was a weird thought! I will discuss it with the mechanic at the yard who is pretty sharp and seen most things. John CC 32 Arpeggio -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 11:25 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan under it.not sure why but I do. Every Spring, there is approximately a half a cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan. I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I can't find out where it is coming from. The boat was launched 3 weeks ago, the engine has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is still under the engine but there is no antifreeze in it. And the antifreeze does not appear during the sailing season. I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that container is not leaking. It's a mystery! Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze could be originating from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Thanks Mike. He's a great guy, and his medical skills are to blame for my continuing existence. I'm glad he bought her. I just gotta figger what I'm doing now. We got together with Russ and Melodie yesterday for a chat on their 35 mk1 on which he has done a great refurbishing job. Finally got to meet him after many years of chatting on this forum. Another great guy with a terrific partner. It's the CC influence! Rich On May 25, 2015, at 05:34, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rich Ran into Barry Clarke yesterday at the club. He is very happy with Indigo and says he sailed on it quite a bit last year and before that. He is itching to get it launched! For any who do not know Barry’s claim to fame was as a goalie in the Rockingham Minor Hockey system on our Pee Wee and Atom “A” teams. He also had a CC 33-2 for many years. .. and oh yeah – he is also known for being a well respected Doctor of medicine Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 2:31 AM To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Thanks, Russ! Yep, it’s all over. Money in the bank and some already spent. Not sure what’s next. We’ll see. Meantime, I’m hanging out here unless I’m kicked off. Cheers Rich Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On May 22, 2015, at 22:24, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Rich, Best wishes on the second or third happiest day of your life. (Wedding days are currently under discussion at the institute.) Can we assume the sale is final? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 10:05 PM 22/05/2015, you wrote: Pretty much every marine engine has a connector or two in the engine/panel wiring harness. They are there to make installation convenient at the factory, but, after a few years, can cause a lot of problems as corrosion and wear set in. I’ve seen electrical problems on every size of boat regardless of make or engine type that bypassing these connectors has frequently cured. I suggest cutting out the connectors and splicing the individual wires together using top quality heat shrink crimp butt connectors. In the event that the engine has to be serviced, removed, or replaced, the wires can be severed and rejoined as needed. I’m not sure that this is the root of your problems but it’s a good place to start. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC Boatless. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery
Rob, I have noticed leaks of the antifreeze throughout last winter as well. (1st winter with the new to me boat, Yanmar 3ym30, extended life antifreeze). All was fine in the previous summer. Some hoses carrying the antifreeze needed to be tightened up and the leaks went away. The coldness causes the nipple/hose seal not to be as tight as it is in warmer temperatures. Marek C320 Hamilton, ON On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 9:24 PM, robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: John: Thank you both good tips...your first one could be the culprit but your second one could also be the culprit.the antifreeze (Preston) is approx. 8 years oldI will flush and replace it before Fall layup and see what happens. As I said earlier, it does not happen after launch and before hauljust during the cold of winter. A few years back, one of the engine block antifreeze drain valves came loose during the sailing motoring season which was noticed when antifreeze entered the bilgea little stress until the loose valve was detected. Some times we get lucky! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-24 3:33 PM, John Russo via CnC-List wrote: Check to insure your engine block drain valves are tight before winter storage. Second thought is weird but offered anyhow. Is antifreeze fresh? Could there be a blockage somewhere where the antifreeze is diluted and freezes which would expand and force the top stuff out somehow. I said it was a weird thought! I will discuss it with the mechanic at the yard who is pretty sharp and seen most things. John CC 32 Arpeggio -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 11:25 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan under it.not sure why but I do. Every Spring, there is approximately a half a cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan. I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I can't find out where it is coming from. The boat was launched 3 weeks ago, the engine has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is still under the engine but there is no antifreeze in it. And the antifreeze does not appear during the sailing season. I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that container is not leaking. It's a mystery! Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze could be originating from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Get another CC? Rich wrote: I just gotta figger what I'm doing now. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery
when you replaced the radiator cap, was it a 7 psi or 15 psi one? Marek -Original Message- From: Glenn via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 8:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Glenn Subject: Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery I discovered that the radiator cap on the after market heat exchanger was worn and allowing anti-freeze to escape when the engine heated up. Replaced the radiator cap with a new one and it seems to have solved that problem. I too had drain valves that would mysteriously open. Solved that problem first, but the problem persisted and found the radiator cap issue. Gremlins pop up in many places. -- Original Message -- From: robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca Sent: 5/24/2015 9:24:58 PM Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery John: Thank you both good tips...your first one could be the culprit but your second one could also be the culprit.the antifreeze (Preston) is approx. 8 years oldI will flush and replace it before Fall layup and see what happens. As I said earlier, it does not happen after launch and before hauljust during the cold of winter. A few years back, one of the engine block antifreeze drain valves came loose during the sailing motoring season which was noticed when antifreeze entered the bilgea little stress until the loose valve was detected. Some times we get lucky! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-05-24 3:33 PM, John Russo via CnC-List wrote: Check to insure your engine block drain valves are tight before winter storage. Second thought is weird but offered anyhow. Is antifreeze fresh? Could there be a blockage somewhere where the antifreeze is diluted and freezes which would expand and force the top stuff out somehow. I said it was a weird thought! I will discuss it with the mechanic at the yard who is pretty sharp and seen most things. John CC 32 Arpeggio -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 11:25 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery After the engine is winterized in the Fall, I place a plastic pan under it.not sure why but I do. Every Spring, there is approximately a half a cup or 250 ml of antifreeze in the pan. I have looked everywhere for the source of this antifreeze but I can't find out where it is coming from. The boat was launched 3 weeks ago, the engine has about 3 hours on it since then, the pan is still under the engine but there is no antifreeze in it. And the antifreeze does not appear during the sailing season. I notice every Spring the level of the antifreeze in the 'overflow container' is down a bit and I refill to the 'FULL LEVEL' but that container is not leaking. It's a mystery! Anybody experience this and/or have any ideas where this antifreeze could be originating from? Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on *From:* Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM *To:* Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; 1 CnC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* sam.c.sal...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) *From: *Jim Watts via CnC-List *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM *To: *1 CnC List *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *Jim Watts *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) *From: *S Thomas via CnC-List *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *S Thomas *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To:* cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 *Subject:* Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:
Stus-List CC 32 For Sale
A friend of mine looked at She Worthy in Boston yesterday. Does anyone know any particulars of the boat? Harry Mirage Newport Sent from my iPhone On May 7, 2015, at 15:12, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: For those with Raymarine a, c or e Series MFDs, Raymarine released a new version of software today; it includes some nice features for you racers out there: http://www.raymarine.co.uk/view/?id=12259 Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Darker smoke harder to start
Edd, What engine do you have? Mine is a universal and the glow plug(s) wire was loose causing longer than normal starting times and a little smoke on start up. Tightened the wire on the switch and all is normal. Good luck, Len Mitchell Crazy Legs 1989 37+ Sent from my mobile device. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
My experience with synthetics (not with diesels, though) is that if you use it from start, that’s great, but if you try using the synthetics on an older engine, you are quite likely going to dissolve some of the deposits already there and suddenly, you may find that you are burning or losing the oil (some seals don’t seal as they used to). Not to mention that our engines are never really stressed enough to justify the higher cost. And most of us don’t try starting these engines in subfreezing temperatures. So the extra temperature range that synthetics offer don’t buy us much. But I am not the expert on oils. Marek From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) From: Jim Watts via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Edd, I agree with Steve and Marek. Synthetic oil is a waste in our boats. That being said the enginrs do require to be run at cruise power 75% of max rpm for about an hour at least once a month if it is used for weekend sailing. I had to replace my injectors because the PO always ran the engine too slow. He was saving the engine. Our boats have converted tractor engines, which are designed to operate at 75% max speed all day long. I run my 3qm30 at 2k to 2100 with over 3k hours no smoke or starting issues. I hope this helps some. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-ListDate: Mon, May 25, 2015 09:13To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Marek Dziedzic;Subject:Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to StartMy experience with synthetics (not with diesels, though) is that if you use it from start, that’s great, but if you try using the synthetics on an older engine, you are quite likely going to dissolve some of the deposits already there and suddenly, you may find that you are burning or losing the oil (some seals don’t seal as they used to). Not to mention that our engines are never really stressed enough to justify the higher cost. And most of us don’t try starting these engines in subfreezing temperatures. So the extra temperature range that synthetics offer don’t buy us much. But I am not the expert on oils. Marek From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:03 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels?Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, OrOn May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-)From: Jim Watts via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PMTo: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Jim WattsSubject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve ThomasCC27 MKIIIPort Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) From: Jim Watts via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Looking at a 30 today. Looks pretty decent from the exterior. A4. RK On May 25, 2015, at 07:33, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Get another CC? Rich wrote: I just gotta figger what I'm doing now. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rebedding cc 36 windows
Hi I am the proud new owner of a CC 36 and the windows leak quite badly. In my old Tanzer 8.5 they were easy to Rebed as there were frames. It appears on the 36 the windows are sandwiched between the outer and inner cabin top. I would rather do this correctly as opposed to a temporary fix. Thanks Adam Hayden Halifax NS. Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2015, at 12:18 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Hoyt, Mike) 2. Re: Antifreeze Mystery (Glenn) 3. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Knowles Rich) 4. Re: Darker Smoke, Harder to Start (Marek Dziedzic) 5. Re: Antifreeze Mystery (Marek Dziedzic) 6. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Wally Bryant) 7. Re: Darker Smoke, Harder to Start (Fred Hazzard) 8. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Knowles Rich) 9. CC 32 For Sale (Harry Hallgring) 10. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Hoyt, Mike) 11. Re: Antifreeze Mystery (Marek Fluder) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:34:26 + From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Message-ID: 169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f0ad...@hfxexc11.impgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Rich Ran into Barry Clarke yesterday at the club. He is very happy with Indigo and says he sailed on it quite a bit last year and before that. He is itching to get it launched! For any who do not know Barry?s claim to fame was as a goalie in the Rockingham Minor Hockey system on our Pee Wee and Atom ?A? teams. He also had a CC 33-2 for many years. .. and oh yeah ? he is also known for being a well respected Doctor of medicine Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 2:31 AM To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Thanks, Russ! Yep, it?s all over. Money in the bank and some already spent. Not sure what?s next. We?ll see. Meantime, I?m hanging out here unless I?m kicked off. Cheers Rich Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On May 22, 2015, at 22:24, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Rich, Best wishes on the second or third happiest day of your life. (Wedding days are currently under discussion at the institute.) Can we assume the sale is final? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 10:05 PM 22/05/2015, you wrote: Pretty much every marine engine has a connector or two in the engine/panel wiring harness. They are there to make installation convenient at the factory, but, after a few years, can cause a lot of problems as corrosion and wear set in. I???ve seen electrical problems on every size of boat regardless of make or engine type that bypassing these connectors has frequently cured. I suggest cutting out the connectors and splicing the individual wires together using top quality heat shrink crimp butt connectors. In the event that the engine has to be serviced, removed, or replaced, the wires can be severed and rejoined as needed. I???m not sure that this is the root of your problems but it???s a good place to start. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC Boatless. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150525/496d2944/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:58:26 + From: Glenn ggam...@charter.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery Message-ID: em1aa96cc8-f079-4525-ba8d-0e906fa28629@glenn-pc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 I discovered that the radiator cap on the after market heat exchanger was worn and allowing anti-freeze to escape when the engine heated up. Replaced the radiator cap with a new one and it seems to have solved that problem. I too had drain valves that would mysteriously open. Solved that problem first
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
(Disclaimer -no expert! )I use synthetic in my diesel car and truck, and would on the boat as well if not for the way that moisture tends to accumulate due to the way we use them. The very short runs encourage condensation, so it of course gets changed every fall like most everyone does. It seems like synthetic would be a waste. So I use Rotella on the boat. Bill Coleman CC39Cannon Beach, OR! Original message From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 05/25/2015 8:03 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard fshazz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on From: Sam Salter via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:11 PM To: Jim Watts via CnC-List ; 1 CnC List Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Diesel engine oil is supposed to look black - it's like that a half hour after you start the engine - by design. sam :-) From: Jim Watts via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:48 PM To: 1 CnC List Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start It's black. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 May 2015 at 16:59, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: What does bad lubrication oil look like? sam :-) From: S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 5:01 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start If it is cranking at the usual speed, then the compression might be off a bit in one of the cylinders. This can happen if one of the piston rings has got stuck over the winter. I would warm up the engine good and hot and then take for a run. Run it fairly hard for a couple of hours so long as everything appears to be ok. That should get the carbon out, if there is any, and it might loosen up a seized ring. Black smoke is a sign of a rich mix, but it means little if you have just started the engine after a period of cranking it for a while. If you did not change the oil last fall, then now is the time to change it. I don't know why, but I have found that lubricating oil sitting for a while in diesel engines is more likely to go bad than in gasoline engines. Maybe it is climate dependent, but that has been my experience limited though that may be. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 18:07 Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
I’m feeling lucky after my call on the bad engine ground leading to starting issues… :^) Maybe time to get the valves checked? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On May 24, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Rich Get one with an engine that needs a bit of tuning. That way you can spend a summer working on it and keep us updated -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Looking at a 30 today. Looks pretty decent from the exterior. A4. RK On May 25, 2015, at 07:33, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Get another CC? Rich wrote: I just gotta figger what I'm doing now. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Rebedding cc 36 windows
Congratulations on your purchase. I would be very surprised if the windows are as you described unless someone has worked on them. They are usually glued into a molded recess in the cabintop. Oh, and please start a new thread instead of quoting fourteen pages of the synopsis, or at least trim the excess. Thanks. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Rebedding cc 36 windows
Adam Which 36 did you buy? We used to own Blue Horizon out of Halifax many years ago Mike Persistence Frers 33 Halifax -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hayden via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Adam Hayden Subject: Stus-List Rebedding cc 36 windows Hi I am the proud new owner of a CC 36 and the windows leak quite badly. In my old Tanzer 8.5 they were easy to Rebed as there were frames. It appears on the 36 the windows are sandwiched between the outer and inner cabin top. I would rather do this correctly as opposed to a temporary fix. Thanks Adam Hayden Halifax NS. Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2015, at 12:18 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Hoyt, Mike) 2. Re: Antifreeze Mystery (Glenn) 3. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Knowles Rich) 4. Re: Darker Smoke, Harder to Start (Marek Dziedzic) 5. Re: Antifreeze Mystery (Marek Dziedzic) 6. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Wally Bryant) 7. Re: Darker Smoke, Harder to Start (Fred Hazzard) 8. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Knowles Rich) 9. CC 32 For Sale (Harry Hallgring) 10. Re: Best wishes to Rich (Hoyt, Mike) 11. Re: Antifreeze Mystery (Marek Fluder) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:34:26 + From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Message-ID: 169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f0ad...@hfxexc11.impgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Rich Ran into Barry Clarke yesterday at the club. He is very happy with Indigo and says he sailed on it quite a bit last year and before that. He is itching to get it launched! For any who do not know Barry?s claim to fame was as a goalie in the Rockingham Minor Hockey system on our Pee Wee and Atom ?A? teams. He also had a CC 33-2 for many years. .. and oh yeah ? he is also known for being a well respected Doctor of medicine Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 2:31 AM To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Thanks, Russ! Yep, it?s all over. Money in the bank and some already spent. Not sure what?s next. We?ll see. Meantime, I?m hanging out here unless I?m kicked off. Cheers Rich Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC INDIGO LF38 Boatless! On May 22, 2015, at 22:24, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Rich, Best wishes on the second or third happiest day of your life. (Wedding days are currently under discussion at the institute.) Can we assume the sale is final? Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 10:05 PM 22/05/2015, you wrote: Pretty much every marine engine has a connector or two in the engine/panel wiring harness. They are there to make installation convenient at the factory, but, after a few years, can cause a lot of problems as corrosion and wear set in. I???ve seen electrical problems on every size of boat regardless of make or engine type that bypassing these connectors has frequently cured. I suggest cutting out the connectors and splicing the individual wires together using top quality heat shrink crimp butt connectors. In the event that the engine has to be serviced, removed, or replaced, the wires can be severed and rejoined as needed. I???m not sure that this is the root of your problems but it???s a good place to start. Rich Knowles Nanaimo, BC Boatless. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150 525/496d2944/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:58:26 + From: Glenn ggam...@charter.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Antifreeze Mystery Message-ID: em1aa96cc8-f079-4525-ba8d-0e906fa28629@glenn-pc
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Fred, I run synthetic diesel oil in my Suburban, but not in my Yanmar. The last I read from Yanmar was to continue using conventional oil. I prefer Rotella T 15W-40. Good stuff! Jake From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Fred Hazzard Subject: Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start What do the experts say about synthetic oil in diesels? Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Portland, Or On May 25, 2015 7:10 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: most of the engine oils that are available today have plenty of additives that get bad or ineffective after about 6 month in the engine. So if you are using the engine year round, you might consider changing the oil twice a year (at least once a year) and if you are using it less (even if you use it for just a few hours each year), change it annually. For us, Northern folks, this usually mean changing it in the fall. From what I read around, there are people who change the oil in the fall and again in the spring. I don’t, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. I hate throwing out the good engine oil after some 25-50 h of running time, but this is a cheap insurance for the engine. Marek 1994 C270, Legato Ottawa, on ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stearn gauges
Paul, The Navtec gauge might work for you. It's on page 87 of their current catalog. I can't imagine needing anything over 5,000psi on a 34' boat. I rarely use more than 2,000psi on my backstay. http://pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/navtec/navtec-general-catalog/21929-29204.html Jake -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hood via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 7:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Paul Hood Subject: Stus-List Stearn gauges I'm looking to replace my Stearn gauges on the hydraulic panel for my vang and backstay. Any suggestion on where to find a suitable equivalent gauge. They are currently fogged up so bad that I can't read them. They are 3500 psi and 5500 psi. Thanks, Paul Hood 1982 CC34 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Make sure you shoot video when you do your first wheelie. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 10:04, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It'll take me back to my old stock car building days. RK On May 25, 2015, at 08:14, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rich Get one with an engine that needs a bit of tuning. That way you can spend a summer working on it and keep us updated -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Looking at a 30 today. Looks pretty decent from the exterior. A4. RK On May 25, 2015, at 07:33, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Get another CC? Rich wrote: I just gotta figger what I'm doing now. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Wilco. I'll keep you up to date. Time for a visit. RK On May 25, 2015, at 11:35, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Make sure you shoot video when you do your first wheelie. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 10:04, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It'll take me back to my old stock car building days. RK On May 25, 2015, at 08:14, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Rich Get one with an engine that needs a bit of tuning. That way you can spend a summer working on it and keep us updated -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich via CnC-List Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Knowles Rich Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich Looking at a 30 today. Looks pretty decent from the exterior. A4. RK On May 25, 2015, at 07:33, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Get another CC? Rich wrote: I just gotta figger what I'm doing now. snip ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start
Edd, It's normal for dark smoke (unburned fuel) to exhaust if it takes longer to fire. Do you have glow plugs on your Universal like on mine? You may just need more glow plug time? Universal recommends, Turn key on to energize electric fuel pump, shifter in neutral, thottle 1/3rd, hold the glow plug button for 30 to 60 seconds, depending on outside temperature. Continue to hold glow plug button while pressing start button to crank engine. Release both when engine starts. Simple to check glow plugs: Before starting, with engine cold, open the compartment so you can feel the engine, locate your glow plugs follow the wire to each cylinder, feel the temperature of the engine cylinder heads. Back in cockpit, turn on switch and hold the glow plug button for a minute without pushing the start button. Then go below and feel the cylinder heads and you should feel a warm area near each glow plug. If anyone is colder than the others; bad connection or bad plug. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:07:34 PM Subject: Stus-List Darker Smoke, Harder to Start Listers, I find I'm having a harder time getting the engine started and seeing a little bit of darker smoke when it does turn over, as compared to last season. Once running, everything seems fine -- temperature, water flow, revolutions, etc. Any ideas or suggestions? Usually, my solution to engine problems is get the jib out. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Working? What are you, insane? Go on the dole like everyone else here. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 18:26, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll check it out. May be working. RK On May 25, 2015, at 15:12, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Coming to the rendezvous? There's some nice BB's on Thetis. New info on the web site...http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 14:03, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wilco. I'll keep you up to date. Time for a visit. RK On May 25, 2015, at 11:35, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Make sure you shoot video when you do your first wheelie. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
I thought about but can't afford the drugs. RK On May 25, 2015, at 18:55, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Working? What are you, insane? Go on the dole like everyone else here. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 18:26, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll check it out. May be working. RK On May 25, 2015, at 15:12, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Coming to the rendezvous? There's some nice BB's on Thetis. New info on the web site...http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 14:03, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wilco. I'll keep you up to date. Time for a visit. RK On May 25, 2015, at 11:35, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Make sure you shoot video when you do your first wheelie. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Grow your own, it's legal here. Isn't it? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 19:24, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought about but can't afford the drugs. RK On May 25, 2015, at 18:55, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Working? What are you, insane? Go on the dole like everyone else here. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 18:26, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll check it out. May be working. RK On May 25, 2015, at 15:12, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Coming to the rendezvous? There's some nice BB's on Thetis. New info on the web site...http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 14:03, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wilco. I'll keep you up to date. Time for a visit. RK On May 25, 2015, at 11:35, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Make sure you shoot video when you do your first wheelie. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stearn gauges
I'd suggest calling a hydraulic ram repair company nearest to you. The guys who repair dozers and backhoe rams. My local guys rebuilt my leaking Navtec -10 system, ram and remote pump station for $35 when Navtec dealer quoted $750. Been good for at least 5 years so far. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Paul Hood via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Paul Hood paul.h...@rogers.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 7:29:44 PM Subject: Stus-List Stearn gauges I'm looking to replace my Stearn gauges on the hydraulic panel for my vang and backstay. Any suggestion on where to find a suitable equivalent gauge. They are currently fogged up so bad that I can't read them. They are 3500 psi and 5500 psi. Thanks, Paul Hood 1982 CC34 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: May 24, 2015 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 112, Issue 70 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Teak oil suggestions? (davidrisch75) 2. Re: Teak oil suggestions? (Jim Watts) 3. Re: Teak oil suggestions? (dwight veinot) 4. A-4 zincs (Robert Gallagher) 5. Re: Teak oil suggestions? (Dennis C.) 6. Cool idea for matching wood shades (Bill Coleman) 7. Re: Teak oil suggestions? (Wally Bryant) 8. Re: Teak oil suggestions? (wwadjo...@aol.com) 9. Re: Teak oil suggestions? (Josh Muckley) 10. Antifreeze Mystery (robert) 11. Re: Antifreeze Mystery (Knowles Rich) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 12:39:42 -0400 From: davidrisch75 davidrisc...@msn.com To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Teak oil suggestions? Message-ID: blu404-eas291e01de51f91b8cc7f632eda...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Done with sanding and varnish. What say you? David F. Risch.? Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device. ? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150523/9d 426c42/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:46:34 -0700 From: Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com To: 1 CnC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Teak oil suggestions? Message-ID: CA+jZ0FffgMXx22PKa=nxm4wb_x01sp2duuwowphuapgg_-g...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cetol. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 23 May 2015 at 09:39, davidrisch75 via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Done with sanding and varnish. What say you? David F. Risch. Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150523/87 b6a98c/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:40:21 -0300 From: dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Teak oil suggestions? Message-ID: caax9f+e+9gkzmrebakuanxh4ptsbxtpc8koxqqzfv8ampx+...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 agree with cetol, several coats...I did 5 coats a few years back when I had the hand rails off for rebedding which I did with butyl tape and not much upkeep yet, just light sanding and touch up on the top surfaces so no cutting in or scraping...I like the look of teak on these older boats otherwise I might have gone to stainless steel hand rails Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Cetol. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 23 May 2015 at 09:39, davidrisch75 via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Done with sanding and varnish. What say you? David F. Risch. Please excuse brevity and possible typos...sent from my mobile device.
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
Coming to the rendezvous? There's some nice BB's on Thetis. New info on the web site...http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 14:03, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wilco. I'll keep you up to date. Time for a visit. RK On May 25, 2015, at 11:35, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Make sure you shoot video when you do your first wheelie. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich
It certainly appears to be. Mebbe I'm missing a business opportunity. We do have a balcony, sunshine and water... RK On May 25, 2015, at 19:47, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Grow your own, it's legal here. Isn't it? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 19:24, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I thought about but can't afford the drugs. RK On May 25, 2015, at 18:55, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Working? What are you, insane? Go on the dole like everyone else here. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 18:26, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I'll check it out. May be working. RK On May 25, 2015, at 15:12, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Coming to the rendezvous? There's some nice BB's on Thetis. New info on the web site...http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 May 2015 at 14:03, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Wilco. I'll keep you up to date. Time for a visit. RK On May 25, 2015, at 11:35, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Make sure you shoot video when you do your first wheelie. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
