Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I replaced the head gasket on the Yanmar 2GM in our 29. Apart from the
usual lack of access, it was no big deal. I took the head off and had it
cleaned and faced at a good shop, and putting it all back together went
mostly smoothly. One fuel injector line just would not go back in the right
place, had to call in a pro to fix that part.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 21 June 2015 at 18:39, David Lenehan via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Chances are, Edd, if your oil is gray, there's water in it and I'd be
> seriously considering the head gasket as the likely culprit.
>
> Best of luck,
> David
>
> On 22 June 2015 at 11:19, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Edd,
>>
>> Your M-35 is a marinized Kubota tractor engine.  You might contact a
>> tractor mechanic about rebuilding it.  Seems to me a rebuild should be in
>> the $3000-3500 range.  A new one would be north of $7-8K.
>>
>> I handled a complete rebuild on an M-30 a while back.  I got most of the
>> parts from a Kubota tractor dealer.  Somewhere there is a cross reference
>> for parts using the serial number off the block.
>>
>> I took the head and block and the bearings, rings, etc. to a regular
>> engine machine shop.  They built the block, rebuilt the head and installed
>> the head.  All I had to do was install the heat exchanger and a few other
>> goodies and drop it back in the boat.  That M-30 is still going strong.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine
>>> and I'm preparing  myself for the worst.
>>>
>>> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what
>>> did it cost you including time out of commission and labor?
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Edd
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Starship Enterprise
>>> NCC-1701-B
>>> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
>>> www.StarshipSailing.com
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Re: Stus-List Mixing Elbow - 2GM20F

[Curtis via CnC-List]

No. Not sealer. Use the high temperature grey pipe dope
On Jun 21, 2015 9:56 PM, "Sam Salter via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>  2GM20F - I’m about to replace the mixing elbow - got the part.
> There’s a pipe joint between the mixing elbow and the exhaust elbow that
> screws into both parts.
> Do I screw this piece in dry or (more likely) use some sort of sealant?
> If I need sealant - what do you guys suggest?
> I’ve got a tube of high temp silicone left over from installing my garage
> heater, is this stuff OK? If not - what???
>
> sam :-)
> C&C 26 Liquorice
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Re: Stus-List A good day

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I have heard that although 5200 is amazingly strong, the chemicals in it attack 
the plexiglass and will eventually cause premature crazing. 
I hope yours buck the trend. Keep us posted. 

Cheers
Brent
C&C 27-5 
Lake Winnipeg. 

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> On Jun 21, 2015, at 9:25 PM, S Thomas via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I used 4000UV to caulk along the top of my 
> glued-and-screwed-on-to-the-outside-of-the-boat windows without frames, and 
> after a couple of years it pulled away from the Plexiglas. Not a lot, but 
> enough to form a small gap that water can flow through. Stayed stuck real 
> good to the gelcoat though, so I am trying to seal the small gap with 
> creeping crack cure.
>  
> Steve Thomas
> C&C27 MKIII
> - Original Message -
> From: PME via CnC-List
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: PME
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 21:11
> Subject: Re: Stus-List A good day
> 
> 
> May your port never leak again, but if a different ports leaks consider not 
> using 5200.  I like 4000UV.
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:48 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> the 5200 that I used to rebed the
>> fixed portlights in my Beckson windows is sound with no leaks after 2
>> weeks, only time with more will tell how this repair holds up over the long
>> run but right now I am happy:
> 
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Re: Stus-List A good day

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

I used 4000UV to caulk along the top of my 
glued-and-screwed-on-to-the-outside-of-the-boat windows without frames, and 
after a couple of years it pulled away from the Plexiglas. Not a lot, but 
enough to form a small gap that water can flow through. Stayed stuck real good 
to the gelcoat though, so I am trying to seal the small gap with creeping crack 
cure. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
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  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: PME 
  Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 21:11
  Subject: Re: Stus-List A good day




  May your port never leak again, but if a different ports leaks consider not 
using 5200.  I like 4000UV.




  -
  Paul E.
  1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
  S/V Johanna Rose
  Carrabelle, FL


On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:48 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:


the 5200 that I used to rebed the
fixed portlights in my Beckson windows is sound with no leaks after 2
weeks, only time with more will tell how this repair holds up over the long
run but right now I am happy:




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Stus-List Mixing Elbow - 2GM20F

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

2GM20F - I’m about to replace the mixing elbow - got the part.

There’s a pipe joint between the mixing elbow and the exhaust elbow that screws 
into both parts.

Do I screw this piece in dry or (more likely) use some sort of sealant?

If I need sealant - what do you guys suggest?

I’ve got a tube of high temp silicone left over from installing my garage 
heater, is this stuff OK? If not - what???






sam :-)

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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Chances are, Edd, if your oil is gray, there's water in it and I'd be
seriously considering the head gasket as the likely culprit.

Best of luck,
David

On 22 June 2015 at 11:19, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Edd,
>
> Your M-35 is a marinized Kubota tractor engine.  You might contact a
> tractor mechanic about rebuilding it.  Seems to me a rebuild should be in
> the $3000-3500 range.  A new one would be north of $7-8K.
>
> I handled a complete rebuild on an M-30 a while back.  I got most of the
> parts from a Kubota tractor dealer.  Somewhere there is a cross reference
> for parts using the serial number off the block.
>
> I took the head and block and the bearings, rings, etc. to a regular
> engine machine shop.  They built the block, rebuilt the head and installed
> the head.  All I had to do was install the heat exchanger and a few other
> goodies and drop it back in the boat.  That M-30 is still going strong.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine
>> and I'm preparing  myself for the worst.
>>
>> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what
>> did it cost you including time out of commission and labor?
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>> ---
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>> Starship Enterprise
>> NCC-1701-B
>> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
>> www.StarshipSailing.com
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Edd,

Your M-35 is a marinized Kubota tractor engine.  You might contact a
tractor mechanic about rebuilding it.  Seems to me a rebuild should be in
the $3000-3500 range.  A new one would be north of $7-8K.

I handled a complete rebuild on an M-30 a while back.  I got most of the
parts from a Kubota tractor dealer.  Somewhere there is a cross reference
for parts using the serial number off the block.

I took the head and block and the bearings, rings, etc. to a regular engine
machine shop.  They built the block, rebuilt the head and installed the
head.  All I had to do was install the heat exchanger and a few other
goodies and drop it back in the boat.  That M-30 is still going strong.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine
> and I'm preparing  myself for the worst.
>
> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what
> did it cost you including time out of commission and labor?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Edd;

 

The 30 and 35 HP Beta 4 cylinder engines are based on the same Kubota diesel
engine as the M35B, so the engine swap would be a relatively easy change
out. Different transmission, so maybe a new prop needed, and a different
wiring harness adds a bit of complexity but not much.

 

I actually like several things about the Beta better than the M35B, and it
was my second choice when I did the new engine for Imzadi in 2010. If I
recall, a total engine package using the 35HP Beta was $300-400 less than a
complete 36HP M35B from Universal. But using the bobtail M35B as I did saved
a grand or more, and left me with a pot full of spares for the new engine to
boot.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Fountain via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:09 PM
To: 
Cc: Paul Fountain
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

 

Give beta engines in North Carolina a call... When we did Perceptions they
were less than a Yanmar,  fit the same bed width ... New holes, same shaft
length, but gave us new alternator and starter that the rebuild would not
have.

 

http://www.betamarinenc.com

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Edd,

 

When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil
in the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time
to have the injectors checked  / rebuilt, and have a compression check on
each of the cylinders - one was near the minimum and the others were fine.
It all made a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was
much less sooty and the transom actually stayed clean for a while.  

 

Brian

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

 

John,

 

Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

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C&C 37+ | City Island, NY

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good
mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the
sail drive on Paws.  

 

John



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On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Listers,

 

Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and
I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 

 

Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did
it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

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Re: Stus-List A good day

[PME via CnC-List]

May your port never leak again, but if a different ports leaks consider not 
using 5200.  I like 4000UV.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:48 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> the 5200 that I used to rebed the
> fixed portlights in my Beckson windows is sound with no leaks after 2
> weeks, only time with more will tell how this repair holds up over the long
> run but right now I am happy:

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[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Jerome,

South Shore Yachts. C&C stanchion based and other great C&C parts. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Jerome Stanbury via CnC-List 
 wrote:

A crew member took a tumble on the gate stanchion and broke the base.  Can 
anyone help me find a base?  Do I have to go to a machine shop to make one up.  
PS My crew member did not fall over board.and was not hurt.   Thanks
 
Jerome Stanbury
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Edd,

 

The M35B installed in Imzadi in 2000 failed in 2009. Long story. Cheap previous 
owner who cut one too many corners on the installation.

 

After looking at cost and installation labor for a number of alternatives 
(Yanmar 3?M30, Beta 35, etc.) I ended up getting a 2010 bobtail M35B (no 
transmission and no instrument panel). With the cost of a proper exhaust riser 
and shipping, I think the total came to about $6300. Which was not much more 
than the total for parts and labor to get the old engine rebuilt plus correct 
the cheap PO’s poor installation.

 

I had to wait 3 or 4 weeks for shipping because the new tier of emissions 
changes were being rolled out at the time I placed the order and there was a 
slight lag in getting the bobtail engine built. But I got the impression that 
complete engines were in production for dealer inventory at the time, so I 
think the delay was probably not typical. 

 

While the engine was out, I stripped the old one to harvest spares for the new 
engine (injectors, pumps, starter, alternator, wiring harness, heat exchanger, 
etc.) and did a proper exhaust routing and installed a new fuel tank. After the 
new engine arrived it took about 4 days to install the transmission, install 
and connect the engine (and replace the Vernalift muffler I had just installed 
(another long story. Anyone need a muffler, contact me offline – I have 3 to 
sell), and align the shaft. I’d guess the labor to R&R the engine, swap the 
transmission, and connect the new engine was about $600-700 of the total I paid 
to get the whole job done ($1800).

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:46 PM
To: cnc-list Cnc-List
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Engine Troubles

 

Listers,

 

Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm 
preparing  myself for the worst. 

 

Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it 
cost you including time out of commission and labor? 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

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A crew member took a tumble on the gate stanchion and broke the base.  Can 
anyone help me find a base?  Do I have to go to a machine shop to make one up.  
PS My crew member did not fall over board.and was not hurt.   Thanks
 
Jerome Stanbury
sailje...@aol.com

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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Chris Price via CnC-List]

An Atomic 4 will work just fine. 

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> On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Gary and all,
> 
> Thanks for all the advice. I was only wondering about the replacement cost if 
> it turned out to be more. 
> 
> A week ago, she ran fine. Yesterday, I couldn’t get it to turn over. Plenty 
> of cranking from the starter, but no “fire”.
> 
> We checked and cleaned the air filter, the fuel filters and did a check of 
> all the hoses. Then I checked the oil, which was a gray instead of black. 
> Some research today led me to believe that it’s the head gasket. 
> 
> I’ll get it to the yard and have a pro look at it. 
> 
> I just don’t want to miss too many weeks of sailing/racing. Gr.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it is a head gasket, why are you thinking of a complete replacement? I had 
> a crack in the head of my Yanmar and removed the head and replaced it with a 
> new one. One (+) boat buck instead of a bunch (did my own work).
>  
> Or, is the rest of the engine pooped as well?
>  
> Gary
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>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles
>> 
>> Edd,
>>  
>> Have the head check closely for cracks.  Sometimes the gasket fails owing to 
>> issues with th e head/block surfaces.
>>  
>> I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar powered C&C 36 around the 
>> PNW with a cracked head.  I would use the compression release to get it 
>> started when cold.  Changed the oil every few weeks.
>>  
>> We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar.  I 
>> second the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine 
>> models.  A key for me with the 36's older  model Yanmar was the future 
>> availability of spare parts.
>>  
>> Martin
>> Calypso
>> 1971 C&C 43
>> Seattle
>> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
>> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:20 PM
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>> Cc: Edd Schillay
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> ---
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>> Starship Enterprise
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>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
>> mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
>> sail drive on Paws.  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Listers,
>>> 
>>> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and 
>>> I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 
>>> 
>>> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what 
>>> did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Edd
>>> 
>>> ---
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Gary and all,

Thanks for all the advice. I was only wondering about the replacement cost if 
it turned out to be more. 

A week ago, she ran fine. Yesterday, I couldn’t get it to turn over. Plenty of 
cranking from the starter, but no “fire”.

We checked and cleaned the air filter, the fuel filters and did a check of all 
the hoses. Then I checked the oil, which was a gray instead of black. Some 
research today led me to believe that it’s the head gasket. 

I’ll get it to the yard and have a pro look at it. 

I just don’t want to miss too many weeks of sailing/racing. Gr.

All the best,

Edd




On Jun 21, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

If it is a head gasket, why are you thinking of a complete replacement? I had a 
crack in the head of my Yanmar and removed the head and replaced it with a new 
one. One (+) boat buck instead of a bunch (did my own work).
 
Or, is the rest of the engine pooped as well?
 
Gary
> - Original Message -
> From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Martin DeYoung 
> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles
> 
>  <>Edd,
>  
> Have the head check closely for cracks.  Sometimes the gasket fails owing to 
> issues with th <> e head/block surfaces.
>  
> I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar <> powered C&C <> 36 around 
> the PNW <> with a cracked head.  I would use the compression release to get 
> it started when cold.  Changed the oil every few weeks.
>  
> We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar <>.  I 
> second the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine 
> models.  A key for me with the 36's <> older  model Yanmar <> was the future 
> availability of spare parts.
>  
> Martin
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C <> 43
> Seattle
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com ]
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Edd Schillay
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles
> 
> John,
> 
> Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> ---
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> Starship Enterprise
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> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
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> ---
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> 
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
> Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
> mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
> sail drive on Paws.  
> 
> John
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and 
>> I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 
>> 
>> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did 
>> it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> ---
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

If it is a head gasket, why are you thinking of a complete replacement? I had a 
crack in the head of my Yanmar and removed the head and replaced it with a new 
one. One (+) boat buck instead of a bunch (did my own work).

Or, is the rest of the engine pooped as well?

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Martin DeYoung 
  Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles


  Edd,



  Have the head check closely for cracks.  Sometimes the gasket fails owing to 
issues with th e head/block surfaces.



  I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar powered C&C 36 around the PNW 
with a cracked head.  I would use the compression release to get it started 
when cold.  Changed the oil every few weeks.



  We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar.  I 
second the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine 
models.  A key for me with the 36's older  model Yanmar was the future 
availability of spare parts.



  Martin

  Calypso

  1971 C&C 43

  Seattle


--

  From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:20 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Edd Schillay
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles


  John,


  Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. 




  All the best,


  Edd


  ---
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  Starship Enterprise
  NCC-1701-B
  C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
  www.StarshipSailing.com
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  On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
wrote:


  Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
sail drive on Paws.  


  John


  Sent from my iPad

  On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Listers,


Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and 
I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 


Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what 
did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 




All the best,


Edd


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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Edd,



Have the head check closely for cracks.  Sometimes the gasket fails owing to 
issues with th e head/block surfaces.



I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar powered C&C 36 around the PNW 
with a cracked head.  I would use the compression release to get it started 
when cold.  Changed the oil every few weeks.



We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar.  I second 
the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine models.  A 
key for me with the 36's older  model Yanmar was the future availability of 
spare parts.



Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

John,

Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement.


All the best,

Edd

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
sail drive on Paws.

John


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Listers,

Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm 
preparing  myself for the worst.

Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it 
cost you including time out of commission and labor?


All the best,

Edd

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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MkI for sale

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

David,

Welcome to the 35-3 owners club.  I look forward to seeing you out on the
Bay.  Any plans for racing?  Cock Island this weekend was a long, hot
ordeal, but we managed a second place in PHRF A.  I'd love to see your boat.
It's always interesting to see how others are setup.  Joel's and mine are
quite different.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA



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If you or anyone you know is interested I am selling my 1973 ( 2 owner) C&C
30 MK I.   She is located on the eastern shore of MD.  I bought a C&C 35 MK
III and need to sell her.

David Midkiff
C&C 30 MkI soon to be C&C 35
Serendipity
Chesapeake, VA
dmidki...@cox.net

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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Give beta engines in North Carolina a call... When we did Perceptions they were 
less than a Yanmar,  fit the same bed width ... New holes, same shaft length, 
but gave us new alternator and starter that the rebuild would not have.

http://www.betamarinenc.com

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd,

When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in 
the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to 
have the injectors checked  / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of 
the cylinders - one was near the minimum and the others were fine.  It all made 
a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty 
and the transom actually stayed clean for a while.

Brian

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

John,

Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement.

All the best,

Edd

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Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
sail drive on Paws.

John


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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers,

Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm 
preparing  myself for the worst.

Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it 
cost you including time out of commission and labor?

All the best,

Edd

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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

Edd,

 

When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in 
the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to 
have the injectors checked  / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of 
the cylinders – one was near the minimum and the others were fine.  It all made 
a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty 
and the transom actually stayed clean for a while.  

 

Brian

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

 

John,

 

Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

---

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Starship Enterprise

NCC-1701-B

C&C 37+ | City Island, NY

www.StarshipSailing.com  

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
sail drive on Paws.  

 

John



Sent from my iPad


On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Listers,

 

Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm 
preparing  myself for the worst. 

 

Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it 
cost you including time out of commission and labor? 

 

All the best,

 

Edd

 

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C&C 37+ | City Island, NY

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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Edd, I'm in the middle of this currently.  A new 30hp Yanmar will be around 
$12k, so I went with a rebuilt engine from Schooner Bay Imported Motors.  I 
don't have the engine in hand yet and it's taking 6 weeks not the agreed 3 to 
deliver, so I can't vouch for them.  As a direct replacement for the existing 
engine there is little work to do on engine beds / exhaust / shaft length / 
wiring etc, so that will save a fair amount of yard work, but the galley had to 
come apart to facilitate access.  That engine is ~$5k with core swap.

Good luck!

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
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> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
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> On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
> mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
> sail drive on Paws.  
> 
> John
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and 
>> I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 
>> 
>> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did 
>> it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 
>> 
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> ---
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> NCC-1701-B
>> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY
>> www.StarshipSailing.com
>> ---
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

John,

Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
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Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
sail drive on Paws.  

John


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> Listers,
> 
> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and 
> I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 
> 
> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did 
> it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

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Edd - one other thought.  Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call.  Very good 
mechanics who may have suggestions.  They did the gasket replacement for the 
sail drive on Paws.  

John


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> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
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> Listers,
> 
> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and 
> I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 
> 
> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did 
> it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Edd

Sorry to hear this - what problems are you having?

If you can get by for the season a rebuild is certainly cheaper albeit more 
time consuming.  As to new, it depends on what can be reused but you're in the 
15-20k range. Good news is it can be done quickly (days, not weeks) with the 
right yard.  At that point you may want to consider other components - fuel 
tank, alternator, smart charger, etc.

John


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> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
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> Listers,
> 
> Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and 
> I'm preparing  myself for the worst. 
> 
> Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did 
> it cost you including time out of commission and labor? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
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Stus-List A good day

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Spent a few hours on Alianna today, cigar and some refreshment, checking
for leaks, rain here hard and heavy this afternoon, very pleased, no deck
leaks at all and she has hundreds of deck penetrations including the toe
rail penetrations too many to count, the 5200 that I used to rebed the
fixed portlights in my Beckson windows is sound with no leaks after 2
weeks, only time with more will tell how this repair holds up over the long
run but right now I am happy:  Alianna is 41 year old C&C 35 MKII and no
leaks in the cabin, and very little if any weeping from the stuffing box,
she's almost a dry boat but never will be a dry boat because the mast is
keel stepped and some rainwater gets in from above and travels down the
inside to the bilge...I do believe however that my little 800 GPH auto
bilge pump may not turn on very often this year.  All this good stuff and
Father's Day too, great!


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net
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Stus-List Engine Troubles

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm 
preparing  myself for the worst. 

Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it 
cost you including time out of commission and labor? 


All the best,

Edd

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