Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Propeller Boat Speed
Ron, With the Universal M-35 and my two-blade folding prop, I was seeing 7.2 knots at roughly 2300-2500 RPMs. I’m told that with the new Beta 30 that I’ll see better than that, but I wouldn’t know until I get it in the water and run it for a while. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ricci via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:07 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Ron Ricci Subject: Stus-List CC 37+ Propeller Boat Speed I’m curious to see what kind of speed everyone gets on their 37/40. It is interesting to see that some listers get over 7 knots. I’m lucky to get 5 knots at 2500 rpm. Above that rpm, there is not much of a noticeable change in speed, just noise. Here’s what Patriot has: ·3HM35F Yanmar 30 HP ·2.14 Gear Ratio ·16” Max-Prop – 2 bladed ·Right Rotation – from http://www.pyiinc.com/images/pdf/max-prop/PYI_Max-Prop_2_Blade_Instructions.pdf http://www.pyiinc.com/images/pdf/max-prop/PYI_Max-Prop_2_Blade_Instructions.pdf o 18° o X = E o Y (dot) = H o Y (dot)(dot) = V Perhaps the 2 bladed prop is really that inefficient or my pitch should be changed. Any advice will be appreciated. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI ron.ri...@1968.usna.com mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Pump for shower sump
I have to get it off the pump--I'll get back to you with it. Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:44 PM, D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Bob Model # ? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Pump for shower sump
The Jabsco pump for my shower sump has bit the dust again. Last year it was replaced under warranty. Is there a better option out there? Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Pump for shower sump
I like ShurFlow pumps and I use the same version of the pump for my pressure water, deck wash, and shower sump. That way I can carry one spare pump for all those applications. Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The Jabsco pump for my shower sump has bit the dust again. Last year it was replaced under warranty. Is there a better option out there? Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Pump for shower sump
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Re: Stus-List Exploding CC
“Craptastic” I will have to add that to my everyday vocabulary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Re: Stus-List Exploding CC It just seems odd that I never hear about “Mercruiser 5.7 liter exploded” or “PleasureCraft Marine V6 exploded” but someone always talks about A4s exploding although AFAIK no A4 has ever exploded in the history of gasoline engines. Now the fuel might explode, but given the craptastic materials CC used for fuel systems in the early 70s, odds are the fuel didn’t leak out of the ENGINE ;) BTW – if I were an insurance adjuster, this fire would get a second look….. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.commailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stus list replacing the furling line
Ditto Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-07-22 1:28 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: I have a Harken mkIII furler. Really simple for me: unfurl Genoa untie figure 8 knot, remove old line, insert new line, tie figure 8 knot, go sailing or furl... Nothing to remove or unscrew.. François Rivard. 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA. Sent from IBM Verse ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List 37+ prop and boat speed
Ron, This thread is interesting in that most of you are in salt water, I am in fresh. I have the universal M35 with a 2 blade max prop and at 2500 RPMs I get 6.8 knots (GPS) with VC17 bottom paint. The max prop is adjustable and there are lots of other variables. Cheers, Len Mitchell Crazy Legs 1989 37+ Sent from my mobile device. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Painting a Edson Pedestal
2003: What I did: Two coats. I followed the can instructions. A good sanding to remove any rough edges, and a light sanding with 80 grit, then I think I painted bare spots, and let dry, sanded w 80 grit again, then a 1st coat overall. After dry, sand w 320 grit and paint 2nd coat. If the directions are different, follow the directions. 2015: What I'd do if I did it again: I'd use Krylon spray paint and prep with a light sanding, spray a thin 1st coat and follow up with additional coats as needed. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Monty Schumpert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Monty Schumpert jmschump...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 7:56:34 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Painting a Edson Pedestal Chuck, How many coats did it require to cover the black? I'm thinking about doing the same thing. Have a little two-part polyurethane left over from the spars painting project last spring. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis, MD On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I painted my black pedestal in '03 with Matterhorn White, Brightside. It held up well but had to be brushed on and took hours to dry. The key is to sand with a course enough paper it creates a mechanical bond. Then wipe down with the recommended thinner before painting. If you are outside, nothing dries as fast as Krylon spray. Pick a no wind, dry morning and spray Flat or Semi Gloss. Use several very thin coats. I used the flat on some bare spots on my mast and spreaders and it looks great after 8 years. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: Peter Fell via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: er Fell prf...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 2:39:45 AM Subject: Stus-List Painting a Edson Pedestal Without going through the 99-step process described on the Edson website for painting a pedestal, what products / methods have proved successful? The pedestal isn’t coming out of the boat. Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Universal Atomic Four refurbished complete | parts, trailers, accessories | Oshawa / Durham Region | Kijiji
Hi Just FYI No knowledge or relationship Don http://www.kijiji.ca/v-boat-parts-trailer-accessories/oshawa-durham-region/universal-atomic-four-refurbished-complete/1049249143?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Exploding CC
I posted that here too – more than once. I was lucky – I got 3 gallons in the tank and two more in the bilge. It is not the fault of Universal Motors though that CC could not be bothered to use fuel-rated components and I suppose CC can’t be blamed in 1973 for not foreseeing ethanol gas decades later. Still, that piece they used for a 90 degree turn was obviously part of a sink drain or something and not related to fuel hose even back in 1973. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome Tauber via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:03 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jerome Tauber Subject: Re: Stus-List Exploding CC Funny - Joe Posted the following on Sailnet - I do know of a sailboat that was A4 powered that burned and sank a couple of years ago. It was a sistership to my own and I suspect they had the issue I had. A 90 degree rubber elbow CC used was not fuel rated, but tolerated gasoline. Ethanol, not so much I found the leak in mine and replaced it and discovered my entire fill hose was coming apart from the inside! _ Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I The following is from a forensic engineering firm - BOAT EXPLOSIONS Boating is an enjoyable pass time for many Canadians. Unfortunately, the dangers associated with this activity are often misunderstood or ignored. Marine craft present a particular hazard to fire and explosions. According to US Coast Guard statistics, fires and explosions account for the largest single cause of marine property damage. The hazards exist owing to the presence of flammable liquids present within confined, poorly ventilated spaces. Gasoline fuel, which is used to propel the majority of private marine craft presents the most common hazard. Gasoline can be released into boat compartments as a result of equipment failure, spills and improper storage of fuel supply. Gasoline has a lower explosive limit (LEL) of 1.4% by volume and an upper explosive limit (UEL) of 7.6%. The percentages within the LEL and UEL represent flammable gasoline/air mixtures. Therefore, a flammable gasoline/air mixture can exist when 100 ml (approx. 200 drops) of gasoline liquid is vaporized in 1 cubic metre (approx. 35 cubic feet) of confined air space. Furthermore, gasoline vapour is heavier than air and tends to collect in lower compartments of the boat. Therefore, a small leak or spill can present a significant hazard of explosion and fire. Diesel fuel presents a reduced explosion hazard owing to its higher flash point which prevents it from readily evaporating to produce a flammable mixture. The LEL for No. 1 grade diesel fuel is 3.5% by volume and the UEL is 6.9%. The LEL is higher and the range is smaller, further reducing the hazard. However, higher temperatures will cause diesel fuel to evaporate more readily resulting in explosive mixtures being present within confined air spaces on marine craft. Temperatures within cabins and engine compartments may be significantly raised by the hot summer sun, increasing this hazard. In addition to engine fuels, galley stoves, which operate with fuels such as alcohol, kerosene, and propane present significant fire and explosion hazards from improper operation, improper installation, fuel leaks and spills. Propane (LEL = 2.5%, UEL = 4.5%) presents the greatest explosion hazard. Jerry CC 27V JJ -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 8:26 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Exploding CC “Craptastic” I will have to add that to my everyday vocabulary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com? ] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Re: Stus-List Exploding CC It just seems odd that I never hear about “Mercruiser 5.7 liter exploded” or “PleasureCraft Marine V6 exploded” but someone always talks about A4s exploding although AFAIK no A4 has ever exploded in the history of gasoline engines. Now the fuel might explode, but given the craptastic materials CC used for fuel systems in the early 70s, odds are the fuel didn’t leak out of the ENGINE ;) BTW – if I were an insurance adjuster, this fire would get a second look….. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Exploding CC
Funny - Joe Posted the following on Sailnet - I do know of a sailboat that was A4 powered that burned and sank a couple of years ago. It was a sistership to my own and I suspect they had the issue I had. A 90 degree rubber elbow CC used was not fuel rated, but tolerated gasoline. Ethanol, not so much I found the leak in mine and replaced it and discovered my entire fill hose was coming apart from the inside! Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I The following is from a forensic engineering firm - BOATEXPLOSIONS Boating is an enjoyable pass time for many Canadians. Unfortunately, the dangers associated with this activity are often misunderstood or ignored. Marine craft present a particular hazard to fire and explosions. According to US Coast Guard statistics, fires and explosions account for the largest single cause of marine property damage. The hazards exist owing to the presence of flammable liquids present within confined, poorly ventilatedspaces. Gasoline fuel, which is used to propel the majority of private marine craft presents the most common hazard. Gasoline can be released into boat compartments as a result of equipment failure, spills and improper storage of fuel supply. Gasoline has a lower explosive limit (LEL) of 1.4% by volume and an upper explosive limit (UEL) of 7.6%. The percentages within the LEL and UEL represent flammable gasoline/air mixtures. Therefore, a flammable gasoline/air mixture can exist when 100 ml (approx. 200 drops) of gasoline liquid is vaporized in 1 cubic metre (approx. 35 cubic feet) of confined air space. Furthermore, gasoline vapour is heavier than air and tends to collect in lower compartments of the boat. Therefore, a small leak or spill can present asignificant hazard of explosion and fire. Diesel fuel presents a reduced explosion hazard owing to its higher flash point which prevents it from readily evaporating to produce a flammable mixture. The LEL for No. 1 grade diesel fuel is 3.5% by volume and the UEL is 6.9%. The LEL is higher and the range is smaller, further reducing the hazard. However, higher temperatures will cause diesel fuel to evaporate more readily resulting in explosive mixtures being present within confined air spaces on marine craft. Temperatures within cabins and engine compartments may be significantly raised by the hot summer sun, increasing this hazard. In addition to engine fuels, galley stoves, which operate with fuels such as alcohol, kerosene, and propane present significant fire and explosion hazards from improper operation, improper installation, fuel leaks and spills. Propane (LEL = 2.5%, UEL = 4.5%) presents the greatest explosion hazard. Jerry CC 27V JJ -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 8:26 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Exploding CC “Craptastic” I will have to add that to my everyday vocabulary From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Re: Stus-List Exploding CC It just seems odd that I never hear about “Mercruiser 5.7 liter exploded” or “PleasureCraft Marine V6 exploded” but someone always talks about A4s exploding although AFAIK no A4 has ever exploded in the history of gasoline engines. Now the fuel might explode, but given the craptastic materials CC used for fuel systems in the early 70s, odds are the fuel didn’t leak out of the ENGINE ;) BTW – if I were an insurance adjuster, this fire would get a second look….. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Exploding CC
Hmm, the 90 degree elbow from the fuel fill to my tank is aluminum, just like the tank. When I replaced the crumbling fuel fill hose it was maybe the most difficult hose I've had to remove yet on the boat. That thing was STUCK on there good. All this talk though and I'm glad I did the job. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I posted that here too – more than once. I was lucky – I got 3 gallons in the tank and two more in the bilge. It is not the fault of Universal Motors though that CC could not be bothered to use fuel-rated components and I suppose CC can’t be blamed in 1973 for not foreseeing ethanol gas decades later. Still, that piece they used for a 90 degree turn was obviously part of a sink drain or something and not related to fuel hose even back in 1973. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerome Tauber via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:03 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Jerome Tauber *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exploding CC Funny - Joe Posted the following on Sailnet - I do know of a sailboat that was A4 powered that burned and sank a couple of years ago. It was a sistership to my own and I suspect they had the issue I had. A 90 degree rubber elbow CC used was not fuel rated, but tolerated gasoline. Ethanol, not so much I found the leak in mine and replaced it and discovered my entire fill hose was coming apart from the inside! -- Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I The following is from a forensic engineering firm - *BOAT EXPLOSIONS* Boating is an enjoyable pass time for many Canadians. Unfortunately, the dangers associated with this activity are often misunderstood or ignored. Marine craft present a particular hazard to fire and explosions. According to US Coast Guard statistics, fires and explosions account for the largest single cause of marine property damage. The hazards exist owing to the presence of flammable liquids present within confined, poorly ventilated spaces. Gasoline fuel, which is used to propel the majority of private marine craft presents the most common hazard. Gasoline can be released into boat compartments as a result of equipment failure, spills and improper storage of fuel supply. Gasoline has a lower explosive limit (LEL) of 1.4% by volume and an upper explosive limit (UEL) of 7.6%. The percentages within the LEL and UEL represent flammable gasoline/air mixtures. Therefore, a flammable gasoline/air mixture can exist when 100 ml (approx. 200 drops) of gasoline liquid is vaporized in 1 cubic metre (approx. 35 cubic feet) of confined air space. Furthermore, gasoline vapour is heavier than air and tends to collect in lower compartments of the boat. Therefore, a small leak or spill can present a significant hazard of explosion and fire. Diesel fuel presents a reduced explosion hazard owing to its higher flash point which prevents it from readily evaporating to produce a flammable mixture. The LEL for No. 1 grade diesel fuel is 3.5% by volume and the UEL is 6.9%. The LEL is higher and the range is smaller, further reducing the hazard. However, higher temperatures will cause diesel fuel to evaporate more readily resulting in explosive mixtures being present within confined air spaces on marine craft. Temperatures within cabins and engine compartments may be significantly raised by the hot summer sun, increasing this hazard. In addition to engine fuels, galley stoves, which operate with fuels such as alcohol, kerosene, and propane present significant fire and explosion hazards from improper operation, improper installation, fuel leaks and spills. Propane (LEL = 2.5%, UEL = 4.5%) presents the greatest explosion hazard. Jerry CC 27V JJ -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 8:26 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Exploding CC “Craptastic” I will have to add that to my everyday vocabulary *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com?] *On Behalf Of *Joe Della Barba via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:48 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Joe Della Barba *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Exploding CC It just seems odd that I never hear about “Mercruiser 5.7 liter exploded” or “PleasureCraft Marine V6 exploded” but someone always talks about A4s exploding although AFAIK no A4 has ever exploded in the history of gasoline engines. Now the fuel might explode, but given the craptastic materials CC used for fuel systems in the early 70s, odds are the fuel didn’t leak out of the ENGINE ;) BTW – if I were an insurance adjuster, this fire would get a second look….. Joe Della Barba
Stus-List early 1970s cc gasoline engine systems
very very poor is best comment , yachts they new... but ignorant when it came to gasoline engines ..used mirex fuel tanks ..known to have capacity sender to cause a hole to wear thru bottom of tank serious gas fuel leaks sometimes onto water jacketed exhausts one new at the time redline 41 green hull exploded in hudson river being taken home by new owner ..total loss ...my 41 same problem mirex tank worn hole in bottom of tank ...fuel leaked onto exhaust pipe.fume detector indicated fumes shut down engine...all 11 crew aboard at time got buckets poured lake water in cockpit lockers ...to dilute gasopened two thru hulls fwd allowing lake water to fill area fwdstarted pumps to pump overboard coast guard stood by once reported gas slick notedin about 1 hour had all under control...very close near fatal accident.did not have cc repair but rather went to a custom metal shop and had new tanks builtcc to my knowledge never advised other owners ...so if you should have red or gray mirex fuel tank still, get rid of it replace...one of the few things they were very poor at...other yacht mfgs used mirex quite late into 80s ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
