Re: Stus-List chicago boat show

[schiller via CnC-List]

Pete,

We were planning on attending Friday, however, the weather forecast now 
calls for fog and rain early with snow later in the evening.  I guess we 
don't need to drive 120 miles just to look at hardware.


Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
*C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
Soon to be in White Lake, Michigan

On 1/14/2016 3:49 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote:

FYI - If anyone from the list will be at the Chicago boat show Saturday, a
small contingent of C from Bayfield, WI will be there. Let me know if
you're interested in putting a face to a name.
  
Pete




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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

In the US you can get the MMSI for recreational vessels through boatus.
Just Google MMSI BoatUS.

SeaTow offers voice radio checks.  Find their website to get a map of
nearby locations and associated channel.  It is a voice recording and
playback system so you hear back your own transmission.

DSC is most easily tested with another DSC radio that has been programmed
with a different MMSI (read: friend's boat).  That's an important point
since the MMSI is assigned to the boat and all the DSC radios on that boat
are supposed to be programmed to the same MMSI.

Well what if I just took my portable and DSC called my fixed?  Well often
times the radios are designed to ignore DSC requests from their own MMSI.
Makes sensesorta.

For recreational vessels in the US no license is required.  The voice
function of the radio should work fine without programming the MMSI.  I've
never heard of a mandate to program the MMSI.  I could be wrong on the last
point but then how would anyone know?  Same with the requirement to monitor
channel 16.  What if I don't?  Prove it.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jan 14, 2016 11:15 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
>
>
> You need to program your MMSI (an identifier you get when you register the
> radio). In Canada (and I bet in the US) in order to operate a DSC radio you
> are required to have the DSC endorsed radio operator’s licence.
>
>
>
> Without the MMSI your DSC function does not work - it is like a phone
> without an assigned number. If I recall correctly, it is illegal to use the
> radio without registering it and acquiring the MMSI number. And if you
> don’t program the MMSI, the radio would probably not work at all (it should
> prompt you constantly to enter that number).
>
>
>
> In order to use the point to point transmission (not any of the Distress
> or Urgency calls) you have to know the other party’s MMSI. Preferably, you
> want to have it programmed into your radio (so you can select it, like from
> a “Contacts” list in your phone).
>
>
>
> Ch. 70 is used SOLELY for digital handshake between the DSC radios. Using
> that channel for any conversations is prohibited.
>
>
>
> I am afraid that you won’t be able to make the DSC call to the passing
> barges unless you know their MMSI (or can look it up).
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *bobmor99
> . via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2016 21:05
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bobmor99 . 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Testing DSC
>
>
>
> Today I received my first grown-up radio, a Standard Horizon GX2200.
>
> DSC looks like a very nice technology but I am wondering how to test/learn
> it without triggering a bunch of false alarms or general chaos.
>
> I'm docked in a backwater, but there is occasional barge traffic that
> probably has AIS transmitters.
>
> I'd like to verify that my new radio can easily communicate (via channel
> 70?) with the barges as they pass by.
>
> Maybe I need to read the fine manual again but am wondering if anyone else
> has done this exercise and if there are any tips or gotchas.
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> --Bob M
>
> Ox 33-1
>
> Jax, FL
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Josh,

Your reply brings up a question I have for someone familiar with DSC.  
I've been looking for a way to monitor my boat's position when I leave 
it unattended on the hook.  If I have a handheld with DSC programmed 
with the same MMSI as the fixed VHF on the boat, can I query,  with the 
hand held, the boat's VHF to find its GPS coordinates?


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 1/15/2016 8:53 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


In the US you can get the MMSI for recreational vessels through 
boatus.  Just Google MMSI BoatUS.


SeaTow offers voice radio checks.  Find their website to get a map of 
nearby locations and associated channel.  It is a voice recording and 
playback system so you hear back your own transmission.


DSC is most easily tested with another DSC radio that has been 
programmed with a different MMSI (read: friend's boat).  That's an 
important point since the MMSI is assigned to the boat and all the DSC 
radios on that boat are supposed to be programmed to the same MMSI.


Well what if I just took my portable and DSC called my fixed?  Well 
often times the radios are designed to ignore DSC requests from their 
own MMSI.  Makes sensesorta.


For recreational vessels in the US no license is required.  The voice 
function of the radio should work fine without programming the MMSI.  
I've never heard of a mandate to program the MMSI.  I could be wrong 
on the last point but then how would anyone know?  Same with the 
requirement to monitor channel 16.  What if I don't?  Prove it.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 14, 2016 11:15 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


Bob,

You need to program your MMSI (an identifier you get when you
register the radio). In Canada (and I bet in the US) in order to
operate a DSC radio you are required to have the DSC endorsed
radio operator's licence.

Without the MMSI your DSC function does not work - it is like a
phone without an assigned number. If I recall correctly, it is
illegal to use the radio without registering it and acquiring the
MMSI number. And if you don't program the MMSI, the radio would
probably not work at all (it should prompt you constantly to enter
that number).

In order to use the point to point transmission (not any of the
Distress or Urgency calls) you have to know the other party's
MMSI. Preferably, you want to have it programmed into your radio
(so you can select it, like from a "Contacts" list in your phone).

Ch. 70 is used SOLELY for digital handshake between the DSC
radios. Using that channel for any conversations is prohibited.

I am afraid that you won't be able to make the DSC call to the
passing barges unless you know their MMSI (or can look it up).

Good luck

Marek

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] *On Behalf Of *bobmor99 .
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*Cc:* bobmor99 . >
*Subject:* Stus-List Testing DSC

Today I received my first grown-up radio, a Standard Horizon GX2200.

DSC looks like a very nice technology but I am wondering how to
test/learn it without triggering a bunch of false alarms or
general chaos.

I'm docked in a backwater, but there is occasional barge traffic
that probably has AIS transmitters.

I'd like to verify that my new radio can easily communicate (via
channel 70?) with the barges as they pass by.

Maybe I need to read the fine manual again but am wondering if
anyone else has done this exercise and if there are any tips or
gotchas.

Many thanks in advance,

--Bob M

Ox 33-1

Jax, FL


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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

See this:

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html

Either APRS or AIS will show up on this website.

DSC is not the easiest way to keep track of a boat.

I really like this when I am on my mooring - sometimes I'll check 2-4 times
a day from work. It is kind of fun to watch the battery voltage climb with
the sun and go down after dark.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

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Gallagher via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Gallagher 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

 

Josh,

Your reply brings up a question I have for someone familiar with DSC.  I've
been looking for a way to monitor my boat's position when I leave it
unattended on the hook.  If I have a handheld with DSC programmed with the
same MMSI as the fixed VHF on the boat, can I query,  with the hand held,
the boat's VHF to find its GPS coordinates?

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY



On 1/15/2016 8:53 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

In the US you can get the MMSI for recreational vessels through boatus.
Just Google MMSI BoatUS.

SeaTow offers voice radio checks.  Find their website to get a map of nearby
locations and associated channel.  It is a voice recording and playback
system so you hear back your own transmission.

DSC is most easily tested with another DSC radio that has been programmed
with a different MMSI (read: friend's boat).  That's an important point
since the MMSI is assigned to the boat and all the DSC radios on that boat
are supposed to be programmed to the same MMSI.

Well what if I just took my portable and DSC called my fixed?  Well often
times the radios are designed to ignore DSC requests from their own MMSI.
Makes sensesorta.

For recreational vessels in the US no license is required.  The voice
function of the radio should work fine without programming the MMSI.  I've
never heard of a mandate to program the MMSI.  I could be wrong on the last
point but then how would anyone know?  Same with the requirement to monitor
channel 16.  What if I don't?  Prove it.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Jan 14, 2016 11:15 PM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List"
 > wrote:

Bob,

 

You need to program your MMSI (an identifier you get when you register the
radio). In Canada (and I bet in the US) in order to operate a DSC radio you
are required to have the DSC endorsed radio operator's licence. 

 

Without the MMSI your DSC function does not work - it is like a phone
without an assigned number. If I recall correctly, it is illegal to use the
radio without registering it and acquiring the MMSI number. And if you don't
program the MMSI, the radio would probably not work at all (it should prompt
you constantly to enter that number).

 

In order to use the point to point transmission (not any of the Distress or
Urgency calls) you have to know the other party's MMSI. Preferably, you want
to have it programmed into your radio (so you can select it, like from a
"Contacts" list in your phone).

 

Ch. 70 is used SOLELY for digital handshake between the DSC radios. Using
that channel for any conversations is prohibited. 

 

I am afraid that you won't be able to make the DSC call to the passing
barges unless you know their MMSI (or can look it up).

 

Good luck

 

Marek 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Testing DSC

 

Today I received my first grown-up radio, a Standard Horizon GX2200.

DSC looks like a very nice technology but I am wondering how to test/learn
it without triggering a bunch of false alarms or general chaos.

I'm docked in a backwater, but there is occasional barge traffic that
probably has AIS transmitters. 

I'd like to verify that my new radio can easily communicate (via channel
70?) with the barges as they pass by.

Maybe I need to read the fine manual again but am wondering if anyone else
has done this exercise and if there are any tips or gotchas.

Many thanks in advance,

--Bob M

Ox 33-1

Jax, FL

 


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Re: Stus-List chicago boat show

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jim — I was being ironic.  The Strictly Sail shows at Navy Pier were really 
great for sailors, given the long winters up here.  It sounds like the new 
combined RV shows are pretty much what we’ve had here at the Minneapolis “Boat” 
show for years: lots of bass boats, a couple houseboats and a small sailboat or 
two just for grins…

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Jan 14, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred,
>  
> Is it supposed to be improved from last year’s combined show, or are you 
> referring to the good old days at Navy Pier?
>  
> The RV’s were a novelty last year, but I miss the Navy Pier location and the 
> smaller sail only show.  
>  
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
> Milwaukee, WI

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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi David,

thanks for the info, looks like I got some 
reading to do or I could just ask the list... :)


 I thought to the DSC function was for ringing 
me mates on 16 (ring only their radio)  and then 
we go to a working channel in the normal fashion.

So if I have DSC enabled does the radio need to be on dual watch?
Maybe this is the year I get my number and 
configure the radio but then I'll have to find some friends too. :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 06:27 PM 14/01/2016, you wrote:

Russ,

Just by way of clarification, I think you'll 
find that Bob is asking about the DSC only 
function.  Channel 70 is not a voice channel.


David
(Who will have the same problem soon way over here)

On 15 January 2016 at 13:12, Russ & Melody via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hi Bob,

the simple function is just like any ol' radio, 
after it's hooked up, just press play and talk.


All the fancy stuff needs programming/key 
functions to screw it up. I haven't configured my SH yet, too busy. :)


        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1

At 06:04 PM 14/01/2016, you wrote:

Today I received my first grown-up radio, a Standard Horizon GX2200.
DSC looks like a very nice technology but I am 
wondering how to test/learn it without 
triggering a bunch of false alarms or general chaos.
I'm docked in a backwater, but there is 
occasional barge traffic that probably has AIS transmitters.
I'd like to verify that my new radio can easily 
communicate (via channel 70?) with the barges as they pass by.
Maybe I need to read the fine manual again but 
am wondering if anyone else has done this 
exercise and if there are any tips or gotchas.

Many thanks in advance,
--Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Hello All,

Thanks for the replies.
I am aware of the need to get an MMSI number and will be starting that
process shortly.
I'm uncertain at this time whether to get the quick and free BoatUS MMSI
number or to go the slow, federal, not-free route - which would mean the
DSC stuff could be used in non-US waters. (That's just a choice for US
boaters and I'll bring it (BoatUS vs. federal  issued MMSI) up as a
separate Stu's List topic.)

I was more interested in testing the built-in AIS and DSC functions of the
radio. Supposedly, if an AIS target was displayed on the radio's small
display, I could select it and start communicating with it digitally on
channel 70 and audibly on channel 16(?).

But I don't want to somehow accidentally give anyone the erroneous
impression that I'm in distress.

I'm also wondering if anyone has tested the "All Ships" DSC distress signal
just to verify that it's working.

--Bob M
Ox 1976 33-1
Jax, FL
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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Test transmissions on VHF DSC calling channel 70 should be made to another VHF 
DSC radio by using a routine individual call to their Maritime Mobile Service 
Identity (MMSI).

For VHF DSC radios equipped with the Test Call feature, test transmissions 
should be made to the US Coast Guard MMSI 00366 to receive an automated VHF 
DSC test response. You must use the “Test Call” category of your radio because 
“Individual” category  calls to this address will not receive an automated 
response. For older radios not having a test call capability, testing can only 
be performed by using a routine individual call to their Maritime Mobile 
Service Indentity (MMSI).




You can test DSC with a buddy. Do *not* send ALL SHIPS. Someone did that around 
here and generated a ton of radio traffic trying to figure out WTF was going on.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bobmor99 . 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

 

Hello All,

 

Thanks for the replies.

I am aware of the need to get an MMSI number and will be starting that process 
shortly.

I'm uncertain at this time whether to get the quick and free BoatUS MMSI number 
or to go the slow, federal, not-free route - which would mean the DSC stuff 
could be used in non-US waters. (That's just a choice for US boaters and I'll 
bring it (BoatUS vs. federal  issued MMSI) up as a separate Stu's List topic.) 

 

I was more interested in testing the built-in AIS and DSC functions of the 
radio. Supposedly, if an AIS target was displayed on the radio's small display, 
I could select it and start communicating with it digitally on channel 70 and 
audibly on channel 16(?).

 

But I don't want to somehow accidentally give anyone the erroneous impression 
that I'm in distress.

 

I'm also wondering if anyone has tested the "All Ships" DSC distress signal 
just to verify that it's working.

 

--Bob M

Ox 1976 33-1

Jax, FL

 

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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

List,

As I understand it, the *primary* purpose of DSC is for rapid and accurate
communication of your ship's/boat's identity (the MMSI number) in a
distress, urgency or safety situation.  The initial burst of info from a
DSC enabled radio sends your MMSI number and, assuming you have the radio
connected to GPS, your last known position and the last time your GPS
logged it.  One is simply required to then standby on channel 16 or 4125
(or whatever in HF) and wait for the responses to your "Mayday" or "Pan
Pan" call or you broadcast your short Security announcement (or decalre a
change to a working channel for a longer announcement).

The authorities over here in Oz tell me that normal communication should be
done through the VHF or HF radios in the normal way.  Add, they advise that
the procedures I've outlined in a nutshel are now consistent across the
world - that would be a first!

David

On 16 January 2016 at 06:17, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Test transmissions on VHF DSC calling channel 70 should be made to another
> VHF DSC radio by using a routine individual call to their Maritime Mobile
> Service Identity (MMSI).
>
> For VHF DSC radios equipped with the Test Call feature, test transmissions
> should be made to the US Coast Guard MMSI 00366 to receive an automated
> VHF DSC test response. You must use the “Test Call” category of your radio
> because “Individual” category  calls to this address will not receive an
> automated response. For older radios not having a test call capability,
> testing can only be performed by using a routine individual call to their
> Maritime Mobile Service Indentity (MMSI).
>
>
> You can test DSC with a buddy. Do **not** send ALL SHIPS. Someone did
> that around here and generated a ton of radio traffic trying to figure out
> WTF was going on.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *bobmor99
> . via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 1:17 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bobmor99 . 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Testing DSC
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the replies.
>
> I am aware of the need to get an MMSI number and will be starting that
> process shortly.
>
> I'm uncertain at this time whether to get the quick and free BoatUS MMSI
> number or to go the slow, federal, not-free route - which would mean the
> DSC stuff could be used in non-US waters. (That's just a choice for US
> boaters and I'll bring it (BoatUS vs. federal  issued MMSI) up as a
> separate Stu's List topic.)
>
>
>
> I was more interested in testing the built-in AIS and DSC functions of the
> radio. Supposedly, if an AIS target was displayed on the radio's small
> display, I could select it and start communicating with it digitally on
> channel 70 and audibly on channel 16(?).
>
>
>
> But I don't want to somehow accidentally give anyone the erroneous
> impression that I'm in distress.
>
>
>
> I'm also wondering if anyone has tested the "All Ships" DSC distress
> signal just to verify that it's working.
>
>
>
> --Bob M
>
> Ox 1976 33-1
>
> Jax, FL
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would not go as far as saying that this is the primary role. Additionally, if 
your GPS is not connected or if your radio does not have a built –in GPS, you 
are obligated to enter your position, if I remember correctly, on a hourly 
basis (possibly once every 4-hours?).

I see the primary role of the DSC being a substantially simplified procedure 
for calling anyone and reducing chatter on Ch 16 (no more the need for calling 
each other on Ch 16 and moving to the appropriate communications channel).

Having said that, DSC is part (the principal or fundamental part?) of the GMDSS 
(Global Maritime Distress Safety System), so I am not completely disagreeing 
with David.

Marek
C270 “Legato”

From: David Lenehan via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 15:29
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David Lenehan 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

List,


As I understand it, the primary purpose of DSC is for rapid and accurate 
communication of your ship's/boat's identity (the MMSI number) in a distress, 
urgency or safety situation. The initial burst of info from a DSC enabled radio 
sends your MMSI number and, assuming you have the radio connected to GPS, your 
last known position and the last time your GPS logged it. One is simply 
required to then standby on channel 16 or 4125 (or whatever in HF) and wait for 
the responses to your "Mayday" or "Pan Pan" call or you broadcast your short 
Security announcement (or decalre a change to a working channel for a longer 
announcement).


The authorities over here in Oz tell me that normal communication should be 
done through the VHF or HF radios in the normal way. Add, they advise that the 
procedures I've outlined in a nutshel are now consistent across the world - 
that would be a first!


David


On 16 January 2016 at 06:17, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Test transmissions on VHF DSC calling channel 70 should be made to another 
VHF DSC radio by using a routine individual call to their Maritime Mobile 
Service Identity (MMSI).

  For VHF DSC radios equipped with the Test Call feature, test transmissions 
should be made to the US Coast Guard MMSI 00366 to receive an automated VHF 
DSC test response. You must use the “Test Call” category of your radio because 
“Individual” category calls to this address will not receive an automated 
response. For older radios not having a test call capability, testing can only 
be performed by using a routine individual call to their Maritime Mobile 
Service Indentity (MMSI).




  You can test DSC with a buddy. Do *not* send ALL SHIPS. Someone did that 
around here and generated a ton of radio traffic trying to figure out WTF was 
going on.


  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bobmor99 . 
via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:17 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: bobmor99 . 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Testing DSC


  Hello All,


  Thanks for the replies.

  I am aware of the need to get an MMSI number and will be starting that 
process shortly.

  I'm uncertain at this time whether to get the quick and free BoatUS MMSI 
number or to go the slow, federal, not-free route - which would mean the DSC 
stuff could be used in non-US waters. (That's just a choice for US boaters and 
I'll bring it (BoatUS vs. federal issued MMSI) up as a separate Stu's List 
topic.) 


  I was more interested in testing the built-in AIS and DSC functions of the 
radio. Supposedly, if an AIS target was displayed on the radio's small display, 
I could select it and start communicating with it digitally on channel 70 and 
audibly on channel 16(?).


  But I don't want to somehow accidentally give anyone the erroneous impression 
that I'm in distress.


  I'm also wondering if anyone has tested the "All Ships" DSC distress signal 
just to verify that it's working.


  --Bob M

  Ox 1976 33-1

  Jax, FL



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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Russ,

You can call “me mates”, but you do it on Ch 70 (automatically) (instead of Ch 
16). This frees Ch 16 for everyone else. After you establish communication, you 
move to a working channel, as normal.

The radio always watches Ch 70 (even if you don’t), so you don’t need to worry 
about it. You should watch Ch 16, as usual, though there are discussions about 
getting rid of that requirement (assuming that everyone has a DSC radio).

Marek

From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Russ & Melody 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

Hi David,

thanks for the info, looks like I got some reading to do or I could just ask 
the list... :)

I thought to the DSC function was for ringing me mates on 16 (ring only their 
radio)  and then we go to a working channel in the normal fashion. 
So if I have DSC enabled does the radio need to be on dual watch? 
Maybe this is the year I get my number and configure the radio but then I'll 
have to find some friends too. :)

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e-Series Chartplotters/MFDs

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Mike, what is this auto dimming of which you speak?

I have the e series, and must adjust manually. I cannot find anything in the 
manual about an auto dimming feature, and it is quite annoying, as when turning 
on in the morning after being dimmed at nite you cannot see anything on the 
screen, and it is a bit##$ch to get the brightness back.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine e-Series Chartplotters/MFDs

 

Marek

 

Yes I can in fact adjust the brightness but I think that turns off auto 
dimming.  You are correct though … not when making a passage at dusk between 
two shoals though

 

My Raymarine a65 was a different story.  It was always bright and lit up inside 
of boat from Nav station after dark.  Finally discovered the brightness 
adjustment on that as well to make it dimmer.  

 

I do have to say though that in some ways I really preferred the physical 
buttons on older chartplotters to the touchscreens.  In particular I liked my 
Standard Horizon CP180 and its charts on our last boat much more than the 
Navionics charts and lack of buttons on both Raymarine A65 and Garmin GPSMAP 
740.  The benefit of the touch screen however is a bigger display which makes 
up for the clunky menus.

Mike

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine e-Series Chartplotters/MFDs

 

Mike,

 

I bet you can adjust that auto-dimming feature. I have a smaller unit (420) and 
it allows for adjusting the screen brightness (and auto-dimming). If I recall 
correctly, you press the power button (I think that the long press is off, so 
the short press should bring you to the brightness menu, though it might be the 
opposite) and you can adjust the brightness using the left-right panning 
buttons. Try it on yours, but probably, you don’t want to do it coming into a 
harbour at dusk.

 

Marek

“Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e-Series Chartplotters/MFDs

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

At risk of starting this up again, Fred, can you define what the extra
power / newer features gives you in terms of capabilities?  It looks like
both provide WiFi and my old Garmin 545 was powerful enough to navigate
by.  Like Edd, I was wondering whether the step up in screen size for the e
vs es at roughly the same price was a good trade off.

Thanks,

Tim
not a C'er any more, but it is boating related...

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Edd — if you’re looking at the e Series, for about the same $$$ in the
> smaller display sizes I’d recommend looking at the newer eS Series.  It’s a
> more powerful and newer version of the e Series, with the same Hybrid Touch
> interface.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> So I was at the NY Boat Show this past weekend and took a good look at the
> Raymarine e-Series (specifically the e9 one). Built-in GPS and data display
> of other information hooked up to the system (including my new Raymarine
> EV200 autopilot.)
>
> Does anyone have one? Pros? Cons? The price seems very low given all it
> does, especially compared to the cost of my current Garmin GPSMap2006C.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Stus-List V-berth hatch replacement due to leaking handles

[Jason Ward via CnC-List]

Good day to all, 
  
I have been following this forum for a while, however, this is the first 
submission.  I am the proud owner of a C 38 landfall.  I have sailed C most 
of my life and this is our dream boat.  Last year I had the unfortunate 
opportunity of having to replace all for the side windows due to them splitting 
in half.  I figured that since the front hatch sealant was also leaking I would 
do it at the same time.  I should note here that the previous owner, who did a 
marvellous job of maintaining the boat due to lack of sailing, had replaced the 
original glass already.  The project was definitely a learning lesson but one 
that ended well, or so I thought.  I was able to seal up the leaks on the front 
hatch that were coming in around the edge, however, I have been unable to 
prevent the water from entering around the handles.  I have tried silicone, 
rubber gaskets, pressure rings that are countered into the glass and hold tight 
around the handle shaft, light grease around the shaft thinking it will rappel 
water and also tightening them down to the point of making it difficult to 
latch.  
  
I am at the point now that I would just like to replace the entire mechanism 
with a new one so that I know it is made correctly right from the factory.  The 
problem I am encountering is the this front hatch seems to be an odd size by 
todays manufacturing standards.  the inside frame opening is 19 3/4 x 21 1/2 
(roughly).  I am really hoping to not change the opening.  Any advise or 
direction would be appreciated. 
  
Regards, 
Jason 
"Starship" 
Gimli, Mb, Canada   
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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC - monitoring Ch 16

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

There are a lot of people who don't monitor Ch 16 and who are well aware that 
they are supposed to. 
Just try getting a commercial fishing vessel to respond some time. 
May not be the same everywhere, but it is around here. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

C MKI
Merritt Island, FL
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 15:52
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Testing DSC


  Russ,

  You can call “me mates”, but you do it on Ch 70 (automatically) (instead of 
Ch 16). This frees Ch 16 for everyone else. After you establish communication, 
you move to a working channel, as normal.

  The radio always watches Ch 70 (even if you don’t), so you don’t need to 
worry about it. You should watch Ch 16, as usual, though there are discussions 
about getting rid of that requirement (assuming that everyone has a DSC radio).

  Marek

  From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:23
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Russ & Melody 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

  Hi David,

  thanks for the info, looks like I got some reading to do or I could just ask 
the list... :)

  I thought to the DSC function was for ringing me mates on 16 (ring only their 
radio)  and then we go to a working channel in the normal fashion. 
  So if I have DSC enabled does the radio need to be on dual watch? 
  Maybe this is the year I get my number and configure the radio but then I'll 
have to find some friends too. :)

  Cheers, Russ
  Sweet 35 mk-1





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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Technically, legally, both U.S. and Canadian boats are supposed to have a 
station license when sailing out of their home country's waters. (This may be a 
default international rule I am not sure.) 

Canada and the United States had an agreement to drop that requirement between 
our respective countries, but before it came into effect the 911 attacks 
happened, and the United States Government refused to proceed with it. This may 
be why there is so little enforcement. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON 

- Original Message - 
  From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Rick Brass 
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 21:49
  Subject: Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)


  The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the FCC 
is the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US share 
the database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on board, cell 
phones aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress call in US waters 
(or within range of the USCG) they look up your boat information, call your 
home and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a false alarm, call you back 
on the radio to identify your emergency and start the SAR process. 

   

  If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets your DSC 
mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access to the other 
information you submit with your application. They know you’re out there, but 
they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources they might need. 
That could potentially impede the search. Also, the majority of mayday calls 
received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes. Not to disparage any 3rd world 
SAR agencies or imply that the response to a call will be less than efficient, 
but can’t you imagine the following: “Hey, jefe, there is some bozo sending a 
distress call, but I can’t tell who or what they are.” “Damn. There’s a storm 
out there and it’s probably a false alarm anyway. Send out Pablo in the morning 
to see if he can see what’s up.” 

   

  Information associated with an MMSI issued by the FCC is shared not just with 
the USCG, but also internationally.

   

  If you are going to be out of US territorial waters you are legally supposed 
to have a Ship’s Station License issued by the FCC. Getting the license usually 
includes the MMSI number. You also need a Ship Station License if you are 
operating other equipment like AIS, radar, SSB or other HF radio, or an EPIRB.  
Boat/US says Canada does not enforce the licensing requirement. Don’t know 
whether it comes up when entering other countries, but not having all the 
appropriate paperwork and licenses when clearing into a country might be a 
cause for hassles, fees, and delays.

   

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bobmor99 . 
via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 6:44 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: bobmor99 . 
  Subject: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

   

  Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
  https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp

  As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for 
quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a 
slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).

  Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.

  What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a radio 
with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?

  Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a scofflaw, just 
trying to understand how the system works.

  Bob M

  Ox 33-1

  Jax, FL



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Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp

As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for
quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a
slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).

Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.

What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a
radio with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?

Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a scofflaw,
just trying to understand how the system works.

Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL
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Re: Stus-List V-berth hatch replacement due to leaking handles

[svpegasus38]

Hi and welcome. On Pegasus I replaced the lip seals on the fore hatch 
handles. Then it started leaking else where's. I ended up replacind it with a 
Lewmar ocean series. I had to fill all old holes and drill new ones, but I must 
say I like this hatch much better. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Jason Ward via CnC-List Date: Fri, Jan 15, 
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V-berth hatch replacement due to leaking handles

Good day to all, I have been following this forum for a while, however, this is 
the first submission.  I am the proud owner of a C 38 landfall.  I have 
sailed C most of my life and this is our dream boat.  Last year I had the 
unfortunate opportunity of having to replace all for the side windows due to 
them splitting in half.  I figured that since the front hatch sealant was also 
leaking I would do it at the same time.  I should note here that the previous 
owner, who did a marvellous job of maintaining the boat due to lack of sailing, 
had replaced the original glass already.  The project was definitely a learning 
lesson but one that ended well, or so I thought.  I was able to seal up the 
leaks on the front hatch that were coming in around the edge, however, I have 
been unable to prevent the water from entering around the handles.  I have 
tried silicone, rubber gaskets, pressure rings that are countered into the 
glass and hold tight around the handle shaft, light grease around the shaft 
thinking it will rappel water and also tightening them down to the point of 
making it difficult to latch.   I am at the point now that I would just like to 
replace the entire mechanism with a new one so that I know it is made correctly 
right from the factory.  The problem I am encountering is the this front hatch 
seems to be an odd size by todays manufacturing standards.  the inside frame 
opening is 19 3/4 x 21 1/2 (roughly).  I am really hoping to not change the 
opening.  Any advise or direction would be appreciated. Regards,Jason 
"Starship"Gimli, Mb, Canada  

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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Thank you Rick for your detailed reply.
I think my question still boils down to whether a DSC All Ships Distress
Alert sent e.g. from Bahamian waters from a radio with a BoatUS-issued MMSI
would be treated equally as a boat with a (U.S.) federally issued MMSI.
--Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the
> FCC is the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US
> share the database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on
> board, cell phones aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress
> call in US waters (or within range of the USCG) they look up your boat
> information, call your home and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a
> false alarm, call you back on the radio to identify your emergency and
> start the SAR process.
>
>
>
> If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets your
> DSC mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access to
> the other information you submit with your application. They know you’re
> out there, but they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources
> they might need. That could potentially impede the search. Also, the
> majority of mayday calls received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes.
> Not to disparage any 3rd world SAR agencies or imply that the response to
> a call will be less than efficient, but can’t you imagine the following:
> “Hey, jefe, there is some bozo sending a distress call, but I can’t tell
> who or what they are.” “Damn. There’s a storm out there and it’s probably a
> false alarm anyway. Send out Pablo in the morning to see if he can see
> what’s up.”
>
>
>
> Information associated with an MMSI issued by the FCC is shared not just
> with the USCG, but also internationally.
>
>
>
> If you are going to be out of US territorial waters you are legally
> supposed to have a Ship’s Station License issued by the FCC. Getting the
> license usually includes the MMSI number. You also need a Ship Station
> License if you are operating other equipment like AIS, radar, SSB or other
> HF radio, or an EPIRB.  Boat/US says Canada does not enforce the licensing
> requirement. Don’t know whether it comes up when entering other countries,
> but not having all the appropriate paperwork and licenses when clearing
> into a country might be a cause for hassles, fees, and delays.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *bobmor99
> . via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 6:44 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bobmor99 . 
> *Subject:* Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)
>
>
>
> Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
> https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp
>
> As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for
> quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a
> slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).
>
> Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.
>
> What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a
> radio with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?
>
> Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a scofflaw,
> just trying to understand how the system works.
>
> Bob M
>
> Ox 33-1
>
> Jax, FL
>
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Re: Stus-List Name plates

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I expect to have the first set of polycarbonate nameplates next week.
Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Check With Vanna, I am sure she can help!
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Russell via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 4:46 PM
> *To:* C List
> *Cc:* Gary Russell
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Name plates
>
>
>
> OK, so now I'm in need of an 'R'.  Has anyone got a good picture of the
> black plastic 'R' that I can use to model for our race version friends?
> The picture needs to be pretty straight on.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> No, I'm pretty sure this boat had the plastic nameplate when new.  I don't
> have any photos of her from that time to confirm this.
>
>
>
> One of the past owners had the deck completely redone.  I assume these
> plates were mad up at that time.
>
>
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13 January 2016 at 12:27, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>  Is that an original setup?
>
> Gary
>
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Mine are held on with two screws.
>
>
>
> A couple of photos of mine here (before I repainted the infill):
>
>
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/pfgf9C6cMP35cnL28
>
>
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/3Gh7ysq54Y3eHaoG8
>
>
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13 January 2016 at 11:48, Mitchell's via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Gary,
> I have been holding off until the final prototype has been completed and
> the price has been established. The Canadian peso and where they are built
> is a factor too. My polycarbonate name plate is like new considering it
> lives under the dodger in the summer sun. That said, I am also interested,
> there may not be another opportunity to buy a new set at a group purchase
> price. My concern is the mounting of the plates and possible need to remove
> the old one. How are Ken's fastened and where? Has anyone removed theirs
> and how were they originally fastened? Window epoxy?
> I want to take a picture of mine under the winter cover but we are getting
> a good winter snow storm so maybe later this week.
>
> Gary, Thanks for your time and including the list!
>
> Len Mitchell
> CRAZY LEGS
> 1989 37+
> Midland Ontario
>
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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Please note that in Canada, Industry Canada is the government agency that 
issues the MMSIs and as far as I know, it is free.

The main difference is for ship’s radios that have to be licensed (commercial 
or large enough) vs. the unlicensed (most of us). IC is pretty responsive.

Mark
C270, Legato 
Ottawa ON 

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From: bobmor99 . via CnC-List
Sent: January 15, 2016 18:45
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bobmor99 .
Subject: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp
As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for 
quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a 
slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).
Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.
What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a radio 
with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?
Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a scofflaw, just 
trying to understand how the system works.
Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL

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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

That's just my point, Bob.  The way someone was treated last week or even
yesterday can alter and it's too subjective to be accurate.  "Word on the
street" is not the law.  It's not even an guide to what to expect.  It's
hearsay.  And that's from someone who occasionally delights in pushing the
limits with officials.

A new supervisor at the border might get a bee in his bonnet about just
this matter (ship's licences and operator's certificates are international
requirements) and, while you would have been okay yesterday, today you are
screwed.  I've seen it happen where someone asked advice of a friend who
had been to Australia less than a week before and paid some serious
consequences for disobeying the law upon entry.  He copped a heavy fine and
was deported.  Customs officers often have blitzes about various things as
do Immigration officials.  And, if they catch you out in one misdemeanour,
they usually go looking for more and much more carefully than they might
otherwise.

Why not just do what is required?  It *is* the right thing to do.

I've said enough,
David

On 16 January 2016 at 15:07, bobmor99 . via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi David,
> FWIW, I've lived abroad and I suppose, was more looking for the "word on
> the street" with respect to the way things actually work with respect to
> the origin of one's MMSI.
> Cheers,
> --Bob M
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM, David Lenehan via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> No one can give you a definitie answer about how you will be treated upon
>> arrival in any port anywhere in the world.  It can and does vary.
>>
>> Having dealt with bureaucracies for what seems like forever, the official
>> answer you will get is simple:  "You must comply with the law when you
>> visit the Bahamas."  It's the same in any country.  How that is enforced is
>> often up to the individual official - some are tougher than others; some
>> have their favourite areas to look for, and; some are outright pigs.
>>
>> When I was at school, I was one of the physically big and capable kids.
>> It was a policy to avoid the bullies who I stood up to and I was left alone
>> by them.  Occasionally I got asked to help out some kid who was being
>> picked on.  My advice was usually the same:  "Why go where you know they'll
>> be and get targetted?  Don't give them a reason or opportunity to bully
>> you."
>>
>> The same advice applies here regardless of how the last skipper you spoke
>> to was treated in Nassau, Buenos Aires or Port Vila.  Be suitably informed
>> and obey their laws.  It's not that difficult even if it costs a little
>> more in the short term.  It may save you big time on arrival.
>>
>> Hope that helps
>> David
>>
>> On 16 January 2016 at 14:28, bobmor99 . via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Rick for your detailed reply.
>>> I think my question still boils down to whether a DSC All Ships Distress
>>> Alert sent e.g. from Bahamian waters from a radio with a BoatUS-issued MMSI
>>> would be treated equally as a boat with a (U.S.) federally issued MMSI.
>>> --Bob M
>>> Ox 33-1
>>> Jax, FL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the
 FCC is the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US
 share the database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on
 board, cell phones aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress
 call in US waters (or within range of the USCG) they look up your boat
 information, call your home and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a
 false alarm, call you back on the radio to identify your emergency and
 start the SAR process.



 If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets
 your DSC mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access
 to the other information you submit with your application. They know you’re
 out there, but they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources
 they might need. That could potentially impede the search. Also, the
 majority of mayday calls received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes.
 Not to disparage any 3rd world SAR agencies or imply that the response
 to a call will be less than efficient, but can’t you imagine the following:
 “Hey, jefe, there is some bozo sending a distress call, but I can’t tell
 who or what they are.” “Damn. There’s a storm out there and it’s probably a
 false alarm anyway. Send out Pablo in the morning to see if he can see
 what’s up.”



 Information associated with an MMSI issued by the FCC is shared not
 just with the USCG, but also internationally.



 If you are going to be out of US territorial waters you are legally
 supposed to have a Ship’s Station 

Re: Stus-List Testing DSC - monitoring Ch 16

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Then there's the dozens of jerks that clog up Ch 16 with "radio check",
"radio check", "radio check", "radio check", "radio check", "radio check",
"radio check", "radio check", "radio check", "radio check", "radio check",
"radio check".

Seatow's automated radio check is easy to use. Go here:  <
https://www.seatow.com/tools-and-education/automated-radio-check>

Scroll down, click the "Automated Radio Checks" button.  Scroll around the
map to see if there is one near you.  Click on the yellow antenna balloon
to see what channel it uses.

Tune to that channel and transmit a message.  I like to use "Beat Bama".
Especially when I'm in or near Alabama waters.  When you release the
transmit key on your VHF, Seatow's system will transmit a commercial
message followed by your message.  Hence, you can hear what you transmit.
Easy.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:40 PM, S Thomas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> There are a lot of people who don't monitor Ch 16 and who are well aware
> that they are supposed to.
> Just try getting a commercial fishing vessel to respond some time.
> May not be the same everywhere, but it is around here.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Hi David,
FWIW, I've lived abroad and I suppose, was more looking for the "word on
the street" with respect to the way things actually work with respect to
the origin of one's MMSI.
Cheers,
--Bob M


On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM, David Lenehan via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> No one can give you a definitie answer about how you will be treated upon
> arrival in any port anywhere in the world.  It can and does vary.
>
> Having dealt with bureaucracies for what seems like forever, the official
> answer you will get is simple:  "You must comply with the law when you
> visit the Bahamas."  It's the same in any country.  How that is enforced is
> often up to the individual official - some are tougher than others; some
> have their favourite areas to look for, and; some are outright pigs.
>
> When I was at school, I was one of the physically big and capable kids.
> It was a policy to avoid the bullies who I stood up to and I was left alone
> by them.  Occasionally I got asked to help out some kid who was being
> picked on.  My advice was usually the same:  "Why go where you know they'll
> be and get targetted?  Don't give them a reason or opportunity to bully
> you."
>
> The same advice applies here regardless of how the last skipper you spoke
> to was treated in Nassau, Buenos Aires or Port Vila.  Be suitably informed
> and obey their laws.  It's not that difficult even if it costs a little
> more in the short term.  It may save you big time on arrival.
>
> Hope that helps
> David
>
> On 16 January 2016 at 14:28, bobmor99 . via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Rick for your detailed reply.
>> I think my question still boils down to whether a DSC All Ships Distress
>> Alert sent e.g. from Bahamian waters from a radio with a BoatUS-issued MMSI
>> would be treated equally as a boat with a (U.S.) federally issued MMSI.
>> --Bob M
>> Ox 33-1
>> Jax, FL
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the
>>> FCC is the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US
>>> share the database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on
>>> board, cell phones aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress
>>> call in US waters (or within range of the USCG) they look up your boat
>>> information, call your home and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a
>>> false alarm, call you back on the radio to identify your emergency and
>>> start the SAR process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets
>>> your DSC mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access
>>> to the other information you submit with your application. They know you’re
>>> out there, but they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources
>>> they might need. That could potentially impede the search. Also, the
>>> majority of mayday calls received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes.
>>> Not to disparage any 3rd world SAR agencies or imply that the response
>>> to a call will be less than efficient, but can’t you imagine the following:
>>> “Hey, jefe, there is some bozo sending a distress call, but I can’t tell
>>> who or what they are.” “Damn. There’s a storm out there and it’s probably a
>>> false alarm anyway. Send out Pablo in the morning to see if he can see
>>> what’s up.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Information associated with an MMSI issued by the FCC is shared not just
>>> with the USCG, but also internationally.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are going to be out of US territorial waters you are legally
>>> supposed to have a Ship’s Station License issued by the FCC. Getting the
>>> license usually includes the MMSI number. You also need a Ship Station
>>> License if you are operating other equipment like AIS, radar, SSB or other
>>> HF radio, or an EPIRB.  Boat/US says Canada does not enforce the licensing
>>> requirement. Don’t know whether it comes up when entering other countries,
>>> but not having all the appropriate paperwork and licenses when clearing
>>> into a country might be a cause for hassles, fees, and delays.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>>> *bobmor99
>>> . via CnC-List
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 6:44 PM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Cc:* bobmor99 . 
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
>>> https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp
>>>
>>> As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for
>>> quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a
>>> slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).
>>>
>>> Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.
>>>
>>> What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress 

Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I don't think the functionality of the radio or DSC is compromised simply
because you travel outside of US waters I also don't think radios in other
countries are designed to screen out calls with the "wrong" DSC number.
Put in the situation you speak of, I wouldn't hesitate to place a DSC
distress call.

Josh
On Jan 15, 2016 7:05 PM, "bobmor99 . via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Forgot to mention that the radio has an integrated GPS.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:03 PM, bobmor99 .  wrote:
>
>> Hi Josh,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> I'm just trying to determine whether, in the highly unlikely event I were
>> to have a dire emergency in Bahamian waters and I used my radio to
>> broadcast my distress, that it would somehow go unnoticed because my MMSI
>> doesn't end in a zero.
>>
>> When having to choose between dying or paying a fine, I've always chosen
>> the latter.  :-)
>>
>> --Bob M
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To start, "they" may not be able to determine the boat information from
>>> the database.  Beyond that, it may give that foreign government grounds to
>>> fine you.  Remember the DSC distress call includes your location info.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>> On Jan 15, 2016 6:44 PM, "bobmor99 . via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
 https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp

 As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for
 quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a
 slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).

 Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.

 What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a
 radio with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?

 Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a
 scofflaw, just trying to understand how the system works.

 Bob M
 Ox 33-1
 Jax, FL

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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Bob,

No one can give you a definitie answer about how you will be treated upon
arrival in any port anywhere in the world.  It can and does vary.

Having dealt with bureaucracies for what seems like forever, the official
answer you will get is simple:  "You must comply with the law when you
visit the Bahamas."  It's the same in any country.  How that is enforced is
often up to the individual official - some are tougher than others; some
have their favourite areas to look for, and; some are outright pigs.

When I was at school, I was one of the physically big and capable kids.  It
was a policy to avoid the bullies who I stood up to and I was left alone by
them.  Occasionally I got asked to help out some kid who was being picked
on.  My advice was usually the same:  "Why go where you know they'll be and
get targetted?  Don't give them a reason or opportunity to bully you."

The same advice applies here regardless of how the last skipper you spoke
to was treated in Nassau, Buenos Aires or Port Vila.  Be suitably informed
and obey their laws.  It's not that difficult even if it costs a little
more in the short term.  It may save you big time on arrival.

Hope that helps
David

On 16 January 2016 at 14:28, bobmor99 . via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thank you Rick for your detailed reply.
> I think my question still boils down to whether a DSC All Ships Distress
> Alert sent e.g. from Bahamian waters from a radio with a BoatUS-issued MMSI
> would be treated equally as a boat with a (U.S.) federally issued MMSI.
> --Bob M
> Ox 33-1
> Jax, FL
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the
>> FCC is the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US
>> share the database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on
>> board, cell phones aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress
>> call in US waters (or within range of the USCG) they look up your boat
>> information, call your home and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a
>> false alarm, call you back on the radio to identify your emergency and
>> start the SAR process.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets your
>> DSC mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access to
>> the other information you submit with your application. They know you’re
>> out there, but they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources
>> they might need. That could potentially impede the search. Also, the
>> majority of mayday calls received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes.
>> Not to disparage any 3rd world SAR agencies or imply that the response
>> to a call will be less than efficient, but can’t you imagine the following:
>> “Hey, jefe, there is some bozo sending a distress call, but I can’t tell
>> who or what they are.” “Damn. There’s a storm out there and it’s probably a
>> false alarm anyway. Send out Pablo in the morning to see if he can see
>> what’s up.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Information associated with an MMSI issued by the FCC is shared not just
>> with the USCG, but also internationally.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are going to be out of US territorial waters you are legally
>> supposed to have a Ship’s Station License issued by the FCC. Getting the
>> license usually includes the MMSI number. You also need a Ship Station
>> License if you are operating other equipment like AIS, radar, SSB or other
>> HF radio, or an EPIRB.  Boat/US says Canada does not enforce the licensing
>> requirement. Don’t know whether it comes up when entering other countries,
>> but not having all the appropriate paperwork and licenses when clearing
>> into a country might be a cause for hassles, fees, and delays.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *bobmor99
>> . via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 6:44 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* bobmor99 . 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)
>>
>>
>>
>> Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
>> https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp
>>
>> As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for
>> quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a
>> slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).
>>
>> Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.
>>
>> What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a
>> radio with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?
>>
>> Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a scofflaw,
>> just trying to understand how the system works.
>>
>> Bob M
>>
>> Ox 33-1
>>
>> Jax, FL
>>
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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the FCC is 
the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US share the 
database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on board, cell phones 
aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress call in US waters (or 
within range of the USCG) they look up your boat information, call your home 
and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a false alarm, call you back on 
the radio to identify your emergency and start the SAR process. 

 

If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets your DSC 
mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access to the other 
information you submit with your application. They know you’re out there, but 
they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources they might need. 
That could potentially impede the search. Also, the majority of mayday calls 
received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes. Not to disparage any 3rd world 
SAR agencies or imply that the response to a call will be less than efficient, 
but can’t you imagine the following: “Hey, jefe, there is some bozo sending a 
distress call, but I can’t tell who or what they are.” “Damn. There’s a storm 
out there and it’s probably a false alarm anyway. Send out Pablo in the morning 
to see if he can see what’s up.” 

 

Information associated with an MMSI issued by the FCC is shared not just with 
the USCG, but also internationally.

 

If you are going to be out of US territorial waters you are legally supposed to 
have a Ship’s Station License issued by the FCC. Getting the license usually 
includes the MMSI number. You also need a Ship Station License if you are 
operating other equipment like AIS, radar, SSB or other HF radio, or an EPIRB.  
Boat/US says Canada does not enforce the licensing requirement. Don’t know 
whether it comes up when entering other countries, but not having all the 
appropriate paperwork and licenses when clearing into a country might be a 
cause for hassles, fees, and delays.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bobmor99 . 
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Subject: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

 

Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp

As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for 
quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a 
slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).

Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.

What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a radio 
with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?

Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a scofflaw, just 
trying to understand how the system works.

Bob M

Ox 33-1

Jax, FL

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