Re: Stus-List Running lines aft to cockpit on C&C 34

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Good tip on the starboard jib & spin halyard mast exits, Dennis. I'd like to do 
that on my 30-1 for racing. What's involved in swapping halyards inside the 
mast? My mast is down right now, if that makes the job easier. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "CnClist"  
Cc: "Dennis C."  
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:05:59 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running lines aft to cockpit on C&C 34 

Andrew, 

You'll get a lot of info. There are many ways to configure running lines aft. 
Most are not model specific. 

I raced for years before I bought my 35-1. I had a good idea of what worked 
well and what didn't. 

First, I like the triple clutch decision. I have 2 Lewmar triple clutches on 
Touche'. Lewmar is the best. In my opinion, it's the only clutch that will 
release reliably under load. It's also the easiest on line covers. Reliable 
releasing under load can be critical many times. That's one reason my vang is 
run aft to a Lewmar clutch. A sudden puff on a closed top main can result in a 
broach. 

I will send you pics and more info off list. 

First, don't be bound by the existing mast exit configuration. You can swap 
halyards inside the mast. For instance, many racing boats have the jib halyard 
and the spinnaker halyard on the starboard side. Racers do this because most 
mark roundings are to port and such a configuration puts the mast man on the 
high side of the boat for hoisting. This, in turn, often relegates the main 
halyard to the port side. 

Some folks like jib halyards on opposite sides of the boat, some folks like 
them side by side. Some leave one on the mast and run one aft. 

Collect all the ideas and opinions, give them some thought. Walk piers and look 
at different boats. Racers will do things differently than cruisers. 

Don't be bashful about asking more questions here. 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 

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Re: Stus-List Running lines aft to cockpit on C&C 34

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Andrew,

You'll get a lot of info.  There are many ways to configure running lines
aft.  Most are not model specific.

I raced for years before I bought my 35-1.  I had a good idea of what
worked well and what didn't.

First, I like the triple clutch decision.  I have 2 Lewmar triple clutches
on Touche'.  Lewmar is the best.  In my opinion, it's the only clutch that
will release reliably under load.  It's also the easiest on line covers.
Reliable releasing under load can be critical many times.  That's one
reason my vang is run aft to a Lewmar clutch.  A sudden puff on a closed
top main can result in a broach.

I will send you pics and more info off list.

First, don't be bound by the existing mast exit configuration.  You can
swap halyards inside the mast.  For instance, many racing boats have the
jib halyard and the spinnaker halyard on the starboard side.  Racers do
this because most mark roundings are to port and such a configuration puts
the mast man on the high side of the boat for hoisting.  This, in turn,
often relegates the main halyard to the port side.

Some folks like jib halyards on opposite sides of the boat, some folks like
them side by side.  Some leave one on the mast and run one aft.

Collect all the ideas and opinions, give them some thought.  Walk piers and
look at different boats.  Racers will do things differently than cruisers.

Don't be bashful about asking more questions here.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Andrew Means via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all - First time poster here, so let me know if I’m doing any of this
> incorrectly. Brief introduction: my name is Andrew Means, I own the S.V.
> Safari, a C&C 34 MKI moored on Lake Union in Seattle, WA, with three of my
> friends. We sail the Safari—mostly casually—around the Puget Sound region.
> You can see a pic of the Safari here: http://imgur.com/OdrC0Bk
>
> Now to the questions: I'm in the process of reworking my running rigging
> and I'm curious to see how other C&C 34 owners run lines aft to the
> cockpit. Which lines do you run? How do you get them aft? Which do you
> consider the most important to have in the cockpit?
>
> I've been looking through pictures of C&C 34s online (mostly found in
> for-sale listings) and trying to get a handle on the best way to run our
> main sheet, vang (to be installed), reefing lines, topping lift, outhaul,
> etc.. I think I have resigned myself to the fact that with our boom
> (original to the boat) we probably aren't going to be able to have the
> reefing lines run aft to the cockpit because they run externally on the
> port side of the boom and a swinging boom would tigthen/loosen them if they
> were run back to a turning block on the mast.
>
> *Priorities:*
> We are generally casual cruisers, often with inexperienced crew. Safety
> while reefing is a big priority, but as noted above I don't see how we can
> run the lines back to the cockpit without a completely new boom with
> internal reefing lines. Prove me wrong?
>
> Here's the state of the union:
>
> *Boom, Port Side - *http://i.imgur.com/yTDeEWR.jpg
> The 1st and 2nd reefing lines terminate on the boom. Topping lift is
> currently cleated mid-boom, which is super annoying. It would be nice to
> have the topping lift  run aft. I’ve been told that the cam cleats are not
> suitable for cleating reefing lines (and I agree, as they’ve slipped out
> before).
>
> *Boom, Starboard Side* - http://i.imgur.com/ixYRPwy.jpg
> Outhaul, flattening reef.
>
> *Mast Base, Port Side* - http://i.imgur.com/7kozeHd.jpg
> Deck organizer currently has main halyard (red fleck) and main sheet (blue
> fleck). Main halyard enters the mast just below the gooseneck.
>
> *Mast Base, Starboard Side* - http://i.imgur.com/XTkuphN.jpg
> Our Jib Halyard is going to be replaced and we're going to get a haylard
> bag on the mast. We'll also likely remove some of this deck hardware (that
> aft winch will be moved to the starboard side of the companionway to handle
> other lines.)
>
> *Cabintop cleats & winch (port)* - http://i.imgur.com/DHavs7p.jpg
> I'm replacing these abominations with a proper triple rope clutch, forward
> of the winch.
>
> Well, what do you folks think? For cruising around Puget Sound, San Juans,
> etc. and a little bit of beer can racing, how would you set this up? Pics
> of your own setup would be hugely appreciated, especially if you've got a
> C&C 34 or something of similar vintage!
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice, looking forward to knowing other C&C
> owners!
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: Stus-List Max prop angle

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Give the people at PYI a shout with all the details: engine, reduction
gearing, and your boat specs. They will be able to get you far closer on
the first try.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 23 March 2016 at 19:18, David Knecht via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi Brian- If this helps, the MaxProp on my 34XL (+) is set to 16°
> according to the information provided by the PO.  I have not checked that
> myself.  The engine is a Universal M4-30.  Dave
>
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Brian Fry via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I have a 3 blade Max Prop, 17". The surveyor said to adjust propeller
> pitch to allow the engine to reach top speed in gear.
> The current settings are for 24 degrees.
> I think I am supposed  to reduce the angle.
> I do not know how far off the speed is, so I am thinking of starting at 22.
> Anyone else with a 37/40 know their pitch or angle?
>
> Brian Fry
> La Neige
> 37/40 XL
> Havre de Grace MD
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> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Stus-List Running lines aft to cockpit on C&C 34

[Andrew Means via CnC-List]

Hi all - First time poster here, so let me know if I’m doing any of this 
incorrectly. Brief introduction: my name is Andrew Means, I own the S.V. 
Safari, a C&C 34 MKI moored on Lake Union in Seattle, WA, with three of my 
friends. We sail the Safari—mostly casually—around the Puget Sound region. You 
can see a pic of the Safari here: http://imgur.com/OdrC0Bk

Now to the questions: I'm in the process of reworking my running rigging and 
I'm curious to see how other C&C 34 owners run lines aft to the cockpit. Which 
lines do you run? How do you get them aft? Which do you consider the most 
important to have in the cockpit?

I've been looking through pictures of C&C 34s online (mostly found in for-sale 
listings) and trying to get a handle on the best way to run our main sheet, 
vang (to be installed), reefing lines, topping lift, outhaul, etc.. I think I 
have resigned myself to the fact that with our boom (original to the boat) we 
probably aren't going to be able to have the reefing lines run aft to the 
cockpit because they run externally on the port side of the boom and a swinging 
boom would tigthen/loosen them if they were run back to a turning block on the 
mast.

Priorities:
We are generally casual cruisers, often with inexperienced crew. Safety while 
reefing is a big priority, but as noted above I don't see how we can run the 
lines back to the cockpit without a completely new boom with internal reefing 
lines. Prove me wrong?

Here's the state of the union:

Boom, Port Side - http://i.imgur.com/yTDeEWR.jpg
The 1st and 2nd reefing lines terminate on the boom. Topping lift is currently 
cleated mid-boom, which is super annoying. It would be nice to have the topping 
lift  run aft. I’ve been told that the cam cleats are not suitable for cleating 
reefing lines (and I agree, as they’ve slipped out before).

Boom, Starboard Side - http://i.imgur.com/ixYRPwy.jpg
Outhaul, flattening reef.

Mast Base, Port Side - http://i.imgur.com/7kozeHd.jpg
Deck organizer currently has main halyard (red fleck) and main sheet (blue 
fleck). Main halyard enters the mast just below the gooseneck.

Mast Base, Starboard Side - http://i.imgur.com/XTkuphN.jpg
Our Jib Halyard is going to be replaced and we're going to get a haylard bag on 
the mast. We'll also likely remove some of this deck hardware (that aft winch 
will be moved to the starboard side of the companionway to handle other lines.)

Cabintop cleats & winch (port) - http://i.imgur.com/DHavs7p.jpg
I'm replacing these abominations with a proper triple rope clutch, forward of 
the winch.

Well, what do you folks think? For cruising around Puget Sound, San Juans, etc. 
and a little bit of beer can racing, how would you set this up? Pics of your 
own setup would be hugely appreciated, especially if you've got a C&C 34 or 
something of similar vintage!

Thanks in advance for the advice, looking forward to knowing other C&C owners!

Andrew

-- 
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Re: Stus-List Max prop angle

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Brian- If this helps, the MaxProp on my 34XL (+) is set to 16° according to 
the information provided by the PO.  I have not checked that myself.  The 
engine is a Universal M4-30.  Dave

On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Brian Fry via CnC-List  
wrote:

> I have a 3 blade Max Prop, 17". The surveyor said to adjust propeller pitch 
> to allow the engine to reach top speed in gear.
> The current settings are for 24 degrees.
> I think I am supposed  to reduce the angle.
> I do not know how far off the speed is, so I am thinking of starting at 22.
> Anyone else with a 37/40 know their pitch or angle?
> 
> Brian Fry
> La Neige
> 37/40 XL
> Havre de Grace MD
> 
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> are greatly appreciated!

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1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Anchor testing video

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I've been following Steve's succession of Anchor Test videos for a few
months now  The video in the previous email (still attached below) sums
them all up very well to date.  He is still testing.

If you want to see quite a bit more deal about any one of the individual
Anchors and each specific test Steve has has posted them as he shot them in
a thread on the Cruising section of Sailing Anarchy.

This thread: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=169269

...or you can look here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy1Fn_m9nfcf4asEG_bulHA

Ken H.

On 23 March 2016 at 21:32, Dreuge via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here is a nice video showing various anchor being tested.  It uses a gopro
> camera showing an initial setting and then 180 degree shift and reset.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59f-OjWoq0
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
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Stus-List Anchor testing video

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

Here is a nice video showing various anchor being tested.  It uses a gopro 
camera showing an initial setting and then 180 degree shift and reset.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59f-OjWoq0 



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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Re: Stus-List Max prop angle

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Brian,

When I adjust Calypso’s 3 Blade MAX prop 1 setting it seems to make a 10% 
change in pitch/engine speed.

Some yards will make a deal during slow times to allow several hauls and 
launches to test out the different pitch changes.  The service guys at PYI may 
be able to give you the most popular pitch setting for your engine, reduction 
gear, and hull.

I ran Calypso’s Perkins 4-108 slightly over pitched for a few years.  I changed 
it to slightly under pitched (the engine easily reaches max rpm) for a trip 
around Vancouver Island to be sure I could power into big seas and winds if 
needed.  I did not notice an increase in fuel consumption but I did notice a 
slightly reduced cruising speed at the smoothest RPM.  I am able to hit hull 
speed at higher RPMs.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 4:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Brian Fry
Subject: Stus-List Max prop angle


I have a 3 blade Max Prop, 17". The surveyor said to adjust propeller pitch to 
allow the engine to reach top speed in gear.
The current settings are for 24 degrees.
I think I am supposed  to reduce the angle.
I do not know how far off the speed is, so I am thinking of starting at 22.
Anyone else with a 37/40 know their pitch or angle?

Brian Fry
La Neige
37/40 XL
Havre de Grace MD
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Stus-List Max prop angle

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

I have a 3 blade Max Prop, 17". The surveyor said to adjust propeller pitch
to allow the engine to reach top speed in gear.
The current settings are for 24 degrees.
I think I am supposed  to reduce the angle.
I do not know how far off the speed is, so I am thinking of starting at 22.
Anyone else with a 37/40 know their pitch or angle?

Brian Fry
La Neige
37/40 XL
Havre de Grace MD
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Re: Stus-List Stainless Lobster Fridge Optimizer

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Panbo did a review in February, perhaps worth a read...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-03-23 3:41 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:
This looks like it might be worth installing.  A few year ago I cooked 
my house bateries using the fridge at anchor for a few days.


Does anyone on the list have any experience, info or (dare I ask) 
opinions on this?


http://threesheetsnw.com/blog/2016/03/save-your-battery-and-your-beer-with-the-stainless-lobster-fridge-optimizer/ 




Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



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Re: Stus-List Stainless Lobster Fridge Optimizer

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Looks neat!

To keep ANY load from deep discharging your batteries you might consider
getting a "Priority Start".  You can get them in a marine version.  $130ish.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Mar 23, 2016 2:42 PM, "Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> This looks like it might be worth installing.  A few year ago I cooked my
> house bateries using the fridge at anchor for a few days.
>
> Does anyone on the list have any experience, info or (dare I ask) opinions
> on this?
>
>
> http://threesheetsnw.com/blog/2016/03/save-your-battery-and-your-beer-with-the-stainless-lobster-fridge-optimizer/
>
>
> Tom B
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
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Stus-List Stainless Lobster Fridge Optimizer

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

This looks like it might be worth installing.  A few year ago I 
cooked my house bateries using the fridge at anchor for a few days.


Does anyone on the list have any experience, info or (dare I ask) 
opinions on this?


http://threesheetsnw.com/blog/2016/03/save-your-battery-and-your-beer-with-the-stainless-lobster-fridge-optimizer/


Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Engine Access

[allen via CnC-List]

Thanks Jim.  PO did nice job with the insulation too.  I'm impressed and will 
plan to do the same for Septima.

Allen Miles

Septima  30-2
Hampton, VA


From: Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jim Reinardy ; 'kelly petew' 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Access


All,

 

Here are some shots of our access panel in the head.  The bottom has a flange 
and the top has a ball that goes into a bracket.  You push in on it and the 
door pops out.  Sorry about the blurry picture of the bracket.  Let me know if 
you would like more shots or other info.

 

BTW, I didn't mean to sound like I was tooting my own horn in the last message, 
the PO put this in.  

 

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByISBgOu0xYhS1ZkUmFsckJyMUU&usp=sharing

 

Jim Reinardy

C&C 30-2 "Firewater"

Milwaukee, WI 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kelly petew 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 11:41 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: kelly petew 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Access

 

I, too, would be most interested in seeing your photos.  Thanks
 
 
 
Pete W.
 
Siren Song
30-2
Deltaville, VA
 

 

 

 

 Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:44:51 +
> From: Kevin Driscoll 
> To: allen via CnC-List 
> Cc: Jim Reinardy , Peter Patterson
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 37+ (or R or XL) Engine Access
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Allen, I will grab a photo and dimensions of our hatch on our 30-2 this
> weekend when we are on the boat. Ours isn't a nice looking wood hatch, but
> it's the head and behind the door, and waterproof so it works fine for our
> needs.
> 
> KD
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:26 AM Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> > Allen,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a nice looking wood access panel in the head on our 30-2, I will
> > grab some pictures for you this weekend.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Reinardy
> >
> > C&C 30-2 ?Firewater?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 






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