Stus-List Head Foil Feed Funnel

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Listers- 

Tonight I accidentally dropped overboard half the feed funnel of the old Head 
Foil 2 luff support system on my boat. Any ideas where I might find a 
replacement? I'd prefer to not plunk down the money for an entirely new luff 
support system or (gasp) furler. I'll contact the company but judging by their 
website I wonder if they're still viable. 

Thanks, 
Randy 
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Re: Stus-List Removing Polyglow

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Depends on the paint.  Don't even try on Awlgrip.  As I understand it,
polishing will just ruin the finish and you don't want to use wax on it
either.  Awlgrip 2000 or Alex Seal might be a different story.  Perfection,
Brightside, or Totalboat, who knows.  I stay away from polishing ANY paint.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On May 20, 2016 9:10 PM, "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Think it will work on an old fading paint job?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL



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*From:* Jim Watts via CnC-List 
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*Cc:* Jim Watts 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:51 PM

*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Removing Polyglow

Some people *like* buffing and waxing. I don't. PoliGlow works just fine
for me.

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Re: Stus-List Fixed Props..

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The results of testing that I have seen showed that the drag from a fixed prop 
is comparable to the drag of the entire hull.

Marek

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From: Jake Brodersen via CnC-List
Sent: May 20, 2016 21:52
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jake Brodersen
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fixed Props..

Francois,



You are correct.  Dragging a fixed prop is like driving with the parking
brake on.  I ditched mine years ago and never looked back.



Jake



Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"

Hampton VA







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Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List Fixed Props..



I'm surprised to see so many racers have fixed props on this list..

A folding / feathering prop is easily the best "Go Fast" part on the boat..
More than the sails according to more than one sail maker.

BTW, it's worth far more than the typical  6-12 secs per mile PHRF
allowance.. Especially in light winds, it's like dragging a bucket.

Regards

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA.

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Re: Stus-List Fixed Props..

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Francois,

 

You are correct.  Dragging a fixed prop is like driving with the parking
brake on.  I ditched mine years ago and never looked back.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 09:48
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List Fixed Props..

 

I'm surprised to see so many racers have fixed props on this list.. 

A folding / feathering prop is easily the best "Go Fast" part on the boat..
More than the sails according to more than one sail maker. 

BTW, it's worth far more than the typical  6-12 secs per mile PHRF
allowance.. Especially in light winds, it's like dragging a bucket. 

Regards

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA. 

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Re: Stus-List Removing Polyglow

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

Ron : where is wild Cheri ? All you can do is try . If you are close I would be 
happy to get you started and try to polish it 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On May 20, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Think it will work on an old fading paint job?
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> To: 1 CnC List  
> Cc: Jim Watts 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing Polyglow
> 
> Some people like buffing and waxing. I don't. PoliGlow works just fine for 
> me. 
> 
> http://members.shaw.ca/ptarmiganshift/images/IMG_0863.jpg
> 
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Re: Stus-List Removing Polyglow

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Think it will work on an old fading paint job?RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
 To: 1 CnC List  
Cc: Jim Watts 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing Polyglow
   
Some people like buffing and waxing. I don't. PoliGlow works just fine for me. 

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole?

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

Main advantage IMHO is weight. I don't remember the difference between carbon 
and aluminum for the same pole but it is substantial.
This makes it easier to use, extend, handle plus it probably will not kill you 
if it falls on your head when the topping lift is mishandled by your crew. 
Since it is so light, it is also easy to put below out of the sun and hang from 
the overhead hand rails.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb

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> On May 19, 2016, at 10:51 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The carbon is twice the price and would need protection from UV.  It better 
> be one hell of an improvement.
> 
> Josh
> 
> On May 19, 2016 3:48 PM, "Edd Schillay via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> Josh,
> 
> I have an old line-control whisker pole on the Enterprise, which lives on the 
> deck. When we’ve raced with it, it took a couple of guys on the foredeck to 
> set up and some coordination with the jib trimmer to get the end close to the 
> clew of the sail while extending. I suppose a mast-mount option would make it 
> easier (having one end fixed) but it will still be a lot of weight to work 
> with when setting. If you have the funds (and we all know you do), go with 
> the carbon version, as someone suggested. 
> 
> I don’t think I’ve ever tried to use the pole when cruising (usually all my 
> destinations are directly upwind when cruising - a Murphy’s Law thing). 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
 
 
> On 5/19/2016 12:39 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
> I'm considering a Forespar Line Control whisker pole (LC 13-24) for my 
> C 37+.  I'd like to use the mast mounted storage option as well.  I 
> would be poling out a 145% furling headsail and an asymmetric spinnaker.  
> Does anyone have any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S /V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
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Re: Stus-List LMPHRF Certificates

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

They mailed out the first batch a month or so ago, but for some reason only 
half actually delivered.  They resent the whole batch last week. If you don't 
see something soon, call your local rep. 

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On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:38 PM -0700, "William Walker via CnC-List" 
 wrote:












Glenn, 

  Got mine in early May.  Sent in to lmphrf in January.  They are historically 
slow.   Where on the lake are you?

Bill Walker

CNC 36

Pentwater, Mi
On May 20, 2016 3:15 PM, Glenn via CnC-List  wrote:




LMPHRF Listers,
 
Have you received your LMPHRF Certificate for 2016 yet?  I applied during early 
February and still have not received my certificate.  Would appreciate any 
comments.  E-mailed LMPHRF, but have received no response yet.
 
Glenn Gambel
C 36
Wind N Spirits




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Re: Stus-List LMPHRF Certificates

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Glenn, 
  Got mine in early May.  Sent in to lmphrf in January.  They are historically slow.   Where on the lake are you?
Bill Walker
CNC 36
Pentwater, Mi
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LMPHRF Listers,
 
Have you received your LMPHRF Certificate for 2016 yet?  I applied during early February and still have not received my certificate.  Would appreciate any comments.  E-mailed LMPHRF, but have received no response yet.
 
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Re: Stus-List Mast boot

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I might be able to get some pictures...

Josh
On May 20, 2016 1:30 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Any pictures?
> Danny
>
> On 5/20/2016 7:55 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Thanks for all the feedback about mastboots.  I ended up going with a tape
> type material.  The options I found were a 4"x100" white material and a
> 5"x72" black material.  Rig-rite had both.  When comparing the two products
> I found the white one was 0.5mm thick and I could expect to get at least 4
> wraps for a total of 2.0mm.  Because of it's 4" width there was a
> likelihood that I would have to taper the wrap up resulting in areas that
> only had 2 or 3 layers thick instead of 4.
>
> The black product was long enough to get a minimum of 2 wraps and more
> likely 3 with no need to taper the overlaps since it is 5" wide.  So,
> despite the product being shorter, there was a good likely that a total
> thickness of 4.0mm would be achieved.  That's twice the thickness!  This
> seemed like a no brainer.  I purchased the black product from rig-rite for
> ~$50 total.  I installed it  last night.  Very pleased with the results.
> It ISN'T silicone tape.  It's a rubber product and is very adhesive to
> itself.  If it touches itself you're pretty much done.  The rubber will
> stretch to about 1.5 times its original length.  They also recommend that
> you protect it with a fabric cover which I already had.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Stus-List Removing Poly Glow..

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

My boat also stays in the water 365 days a year and shouldn't come out 
much more often than about every 4 years for a bottom job.  After I 
refinished my top sides while the boat was on the hard using a mechanical 
buffer with compound finished with a 1500 grit wet sand and a few coats of 
carnauba wax it was stunning.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/26529592414/in/dateposted-public/

I did stripe with  4-5 coats of Interlux Perfection

 With the gelcoat being super smooth nothing really sticks to it and all 
it needs now is a once a year wax job which is done at the dock and takes 
45 minutes to an hour per side (Including application and buffing) using 
this mop screwed on to my boat hook to reach all: 
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/17567786175136144811?lsf=seller:8740,store:17383515156778345275=oid:13548032175837485713=Home+depot+cedar+mop=en=ZWU_V4HWEayXjwSDjL2YAQ=cm_mmc:Shopping-_-LIAs-_-D28I-_-204412203

The "Zebra Stripes" cleanings take less than 30 minutes for the entire 
boat using the cheap Star Brite stuff and the same mop   It's all about 
surface prep. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Stus-List LMPHRF Certificates

[Glenn via CnC-List]

LMPHRF Listers,

Have you received your LMPHRF Certificate for 2016 yet?  I applied 
during early February and still have not received my certificate.  Would 
appreciate any comments.  E-mailed LMPHRF, but have received no response 
yet.


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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

You will just have to move to Nova Scotia Gary …

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Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

This all depends on the region. Chesapeake Bay has nothing like that – I would 
qualify with my number 2 genoa….. damn.

Gary
Maryland

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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

Thanks Mike I'll look into this.
I have dacron sails and only the one spin. Jib is 135. So should definitely 
qualify.




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>
Date: 2016-05-20 10:35 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" >
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating
Jeff

If your main and jibs are dacron and if you only have one jib > 110% and only 
one nylon spinnaker you qualify for recreational adjustment with is a further +6

Mike

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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

Mine in Halifax is rated:
171 base + 6 for fixed prop
177 total.

If I chose to drop my spinnaker I
Would gain another 18 points for 195.

No adjustment for rolling furler

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>
Date: 2016-05-20 1:34 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list >
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating
Listers-

Just wondering how many of you 30-1 owners out there have ever received a PHRF 
certificate for your boat, and what your rating was.

Looking at 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 the range is 168-186 with mode 174 and mean 174.64 (and median 177).  But it's 
hard to know the particulars of all those boats that were rated e.g. how many 
had folding props. And there may be rating inconsistency between US Sailing 
regional sailing associations.

The PHRF chairman of my regional sailing association gave my 30-1 base PHRF of 
186, and an adjusted PHRF of 180 (a -6 adjustment due to spinnaker max width 
>180% of J).  AFAIK my boat is totally stock, including a fixed two-blade prop.

Just wondering how my PHRF ratings compare to other 30-1s' PHRF ratings, and 
wondering about the particulars of the 30-1s that got rated.

Thanks In Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

This all depends on the region. Chesapeake Bay has nothing like that – I would 
qualify with my number 2 genoa….. damn.

 

Gary

Maryland

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jhnelson via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 1:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jhnelson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

 

Thanks Mike I'll look into this.

I have dacron sails and only the one spin. Jib is 135. So should definitely 
qualify.

 

 

 

 

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From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List"  > 
Date: 2016-05-20 10:35 AM (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   
Cc: "Hoyt, Mike"  > 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating 

Jeff

 

If your main and jibs are dacron and if you only have one jib > 110% and only 
one nylon spinnaker you qualify for recreational adjustment with is a further +6

 

Mike

 

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CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

 

Mine in Halifax is rated:

171 base + 6 for fixed prop

177 total.

 

If I chose to drop my spinnaker I

Would gain another 18 points for 195.

 

No adjustment for rolling furler

 

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From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List  > 
Date: 2016-05-20 1:34 AM (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list  > 
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net   
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating 

Listers-

 

Just wondering how many of you 30-1 owners out there have ever received a PHRF 
certificate for your boat, and what your rating was.

 

Looking at 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 the range is 168-186 with mode 174 and mean 174.64 (and median 177).  But it's 
hard to know the particulars of all those boats that were rated e.g. how many 
had folding props. And there may be rating inconsistency between US Sailing 
regional sailing associations.

 

The PHRF chairman of my regional sailing association gave my 30-1 base PHRF of 
186, and an adjusted PHRF of 180 (a -6 adjustment due to spinnaker max width 
>180% of J).  AFAIK my boat is totally stock, including a fixed two-blade prop.

 

Just wondering how my PHRF ratings compare to other 30-1s' PHRF ratings, and 
wondering about the particulars of the 30-1s that got rated.

 

Thanks In Advance,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Drop me a line and I'll send you pictures of what it looks like. I took mine 
out and took pics.
Jhnelson24 at Gmail dot com


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Date: 2016-05-20  9:02 AM  (GMT-04:00) 
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Cc: Ryan Doyle  
Subject: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support 

Hey everyone,

I've been dealing with some flexing parts of my cabin sole around the bilge 
access panel in my 1976 C 30.  I've put some wood shims between the cabin 
sole and the hull fiberglass down there and they help a bit, but don't fix the 
problem.

Because of the odd shape of the space between the cabin sole and the hull 
fiberglass, I keep thinking there might be some sort of hardening foam I could 
inject down there, or some sort of flexible substance that then could harden to 
shore up the floor.  

Does such a thing exist?  Is that a terrible idea for any reason?  Anyone have 
any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Ryan
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Thanks Mike I'll look into this.I have dacron sails and only the one spin. Jib 
is 135. So should definitely qualify.



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Date: 2016-05-20  10:35 AM  (GMT-04:00) 
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Cc: "Hoyt, Mike"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating 



Jeff
 
If your main and jibs are dacron and if you only have one jib > 110% and only 
one nylon spinnaker you qualify for recreational adjustment with is a further
 +6
 
Mike
 


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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating


 

Mine in Halifax is rated:


171 base + 6 for fixed prop


177 total.


 


If I chose to drop my spinnaker I


Would gain another 18 points for 195.


 


No adjustment for rolling furler


 



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From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 


Date: 2016-05-20 1:34 AM (GMT-04:00) 

To: cnc-list  

Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 

Subject: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating 


Listers-


 


Just wondering how many of you 30-1 owners out there have ever received a PHRF 
certificate for your boat, and what your rating was.


 


Looking at 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 the
 range is 168-186 with mode 174 and mean 174.64 (and median 177).  But it's 
hard to know the particulars of all those boats that were rated e.g. how many 
had folding props. And there may be rating inconsistency between US Sailing 
regional sailing associations.


 


The PHRF chairman of my regional sailing association gave my 30-1 base PHRF of 
186, and an adjusted PHRF of 180 (a -6 adjustment due to spinnaker max width 
>180% of J).  AFAIK my
 boat is totally stock, including a fixed two-blade prop.


 


Just wondering how my PHRF ratings compare to other 30-1s' PHRF ratings, and 
wondering about the particulars of the 30-1s that got rated.


 


Thanks In Advance,


Randy Stafford


S/V Grenadine


C 30-1 #7


Ken Caryl, CO



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Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Mine flexed quite a bit. There is a cardboard tube covered in fiberglass that 
runs the length of the main cabin sole starboard side of the bilge access. When 
putting in the teak and holly floor they had drilled though it causing wayer to 
deteriorate the structure and balsa core.I pulled mine, replaced the core with 
divinity core and put it back in place. Now just need to replace the teak and 
holly.


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From: Joseph Bognar via CnC-List  
Date: 2016-05-20  10:43 AM  (GMT-04:00) 
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Cc: Joseph Bognar  
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support 

I find it odd that your cabin sole flexes so much. Have you checked your mast 
step . If it has dropped or the wood support is rotten as it sits in water then 
it may be the cause of your weak sole . I own a 1979 era 30 and my cabin sole 
is solid . I also have teak and holly through out the cabin . Instead of foam 
you could epoxy in some hard wood wedges in the troublesome area. I would 
investigate it more as to why it is so weak though 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On May 20, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I've been dealing with some flexing parts of my cabin sole around the bilge 
> access panel in my 1976 C 30.  I've put some wood shims between the cabin 
> sole and the hull fiberglass down there and they help a bit, but don't fix 
> the problem.
> 
> Because of the odd shape of the space between the cabin sole and the hull 
> fiberglass, I keep thinking there might be some sort of hardening foam I 
> could inject down there, or some sort of flexible substance that then could 
> harden to shore up the floor.  
> 
> Does such a thing exist?  Is that a terrible idea for any reason?  Anyone 
> have any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Mast boot

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Josh,

Any pictures?

Danny

On 5/20/2016 7:55 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


Hey guys,

Thanks for all the feedback about mastboots.  I ended up going with a 
tape type material.  The options I found were a 4"x100" white material 
and a 5"x72" black material.  Rig-rite had both.  When comparing the 
two products I found the white one was 0.5mm thick and I could expect 
to get at least 4 wraps for a total of 2.0mm.  Because of it's 4" 
width there was a likelihood that I would have to taper the wrap up 
resulting in areas that only had 2 or 3 layers thick instead of 4.


The black product was long enough to get a minimum of 2 wraps and more 
likely 3 with no need to taper the overlaps since it is 5" wide.  So, 
despite the product being shorter, there was a good likely that a 
total thickness of 4.0mm would be achieved.  That's twice the 
thickness!  This seemed like a no brainer.  I purchased the black 
product from rig-rite for ~$50 total.  I installed it  last night.  
Very pleased with the results.  It ISN'T silicone tape.  It's a rubber 
product and is very adhesive to itself.  If it touches itself you're 
pretty much done.  The rubber will stretch to about 1.5 times its 
original length.  They also recommend that you protect it with a 
fabric cover which I already had.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Rick, and thanks all for the responses. 

My regional sailing association's PRHF rules are here: 
http://rmsail.org/?page_id=215 . The Sailing Association of Intermountain Lakes 
is one of three RSAs in US Sailing's Area F. 

In the end I think my rating is pretty consistent with all the other responses 
- effectively 174 base, +12 adjustment for fixed 2-blade prop, -6 adjustment 
for SMW > 180% of J, adjusted PHRF 180 with spinnaker, 198 without spinnaker. 
It's just that my certificate is not explicit about the base and prop 
adjustment - the prop adjustment is kind of "built in" to the base PHRF. When I 
renew next year maybe I'll ask my RSA's PHRF chairman to be more explicit about 
that - he's conscientious, and a friend on whose J/22 I've crewed before, and 
we've been communicating about my rating. 

Also, FWIW, I compared Schell regression formula outputs for "brochure data" 
(8000 lbs displacement and 11.5' E dimension) versus actual measured data for 
my boat (9200 lbs displacement and 10.5' E dimension), and the added weight and 
smaller mainsail cause an 11-second increase in output (9 seconds due to 
displacement difference, 2 seconds due to mainsail area difference). Since the 
rating process in my RSA doesn't seem to depend directly on displacement, and 
since my boat's rating is consistent with 30-1 ratings in other RSAs, I'm not 
concerned about that Schell regression formula output difference. I'll get the 
2 seconds back when I buy a new, properly-sized mainsail. And now I'm thinking 
about folding props... 

Thanks again. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Rick Brass"  
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 7:10:35 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating 



You may want to look at your local PHRF rules. The adjustment for the oversized 
spinnaker is typical. But in NCPHRF the presumption is that you have a folding 
or feathering prop (or an outboatd that can be raised out of the water). An 
exposed solid 2 blade prop is a +12 second adjustment. 



Rick Brass 

Washington, NC 








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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating 





Listers- 





Just wondering how many of you 30-1 owners out there have ever received a PHRF 
certificate for your boat, and what your rating was. 





Looking at 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 the range is 168-186 with mode 174 and mean 174.64 (and median 177). But it's 
hard to know the particulars of all those boats that were rated e.g. how many 
had folding props. And there may be rating inconsistency between US Sailing 
regional sailing associations. 





The PHRF chairman of my regional sailing association gave my 30-1 base PHRF of 
186, and an adjusted PHRF of 180 (a -6 adjustment due to spinnaker max width 
>180% of J). AFAIK my boat is totally stock, including a fixed two-blade prop. 





Just wondering how my PHRF ratings compare to other 30-1s' PHRF ratings, and 
wondering about the particulars of the 30-1s that got rated. 





Thanks In Advance, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I think PHRF Lake Ontario might be setting a record for the number
of measurements submitted for a C 30-1.

When I started it was two, largest spinnaker max girth and headsail LP.

This year I made 18 measurements and submitted 13 numbers. 

With a folding prop it comes out to FS: 174 and NFS: 198

Details ...

Jib LP

Symm MG
Symm SLU
Symm SF

Asymm AMG
Asymm ALU
Asymm ALE
Asymm ASF

Main HW
Main MGU
Main MGM
Main MGT

Spinnaker Pole SPL

To get the Asymm MG I had to measure the halfway point on the
luff and leech ( + 2) and to get the Main MGM - MGU - MGT I had
to measure the half - three quarters - seven eights points on the leech ( +3 ).

Most of it is covered here in Part II:

http://phrf-lo.org/index.php?option=com_content=category=blog=88=186

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 09:35:13 -0400 
From: "Gary Nylander"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF 
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Just got my renewal - Chesapeake Bay. Stock boat with folding prop, no 
furler, standard sail specs - 174.  
 
Gary #593 
 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF 
 
174 base. 6sec for roller furling above deck and 9sec for three blade fixed 
prop. 189 adjusted phrf spin/non-spin. Ches Bay. 
 
Rick Bushie 
Anchovy, #1 
Tolchester, MD 
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Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey Joseph,

Thanks.  The mast step is not soft.  It's the areas of the cabin sole
several inches aft of the step and just next to either side of the
bilge access panel.


*Joseph Bognar* jbognar at sympatico.ca

*Fri May 20 09:43:36 EDT 2016*


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I find it odd that your cabin sole flexes so much. Have you checked
your mast step . If it has dropped or the wood support is rotten as it
sits in water then it may be the cause of your weak sole . I own a
1979 era 30 and my cabin sole is solid . I also have teak and holly
through out the cabin . Instead of foam you could epoxy in some hard
wood wedges in the troublesome area. I would investigate it more as to
why it is so weak though

Sent from Joe Bognar
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Stus-List Fixed Props..

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I'm surprised to see so many racers have fixed props on this list.. 

A folding / feathering prop is easily the best "Go Fast" part on the 
boat.. More than the sails according to more than one sail maker. 

BTW, it's worth far more than the typical  6-12 secs per mile PHRF 
allowance.. Especially in light winds, it's like dragging a bucket. 

Regards

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA. 


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Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Steve,

Thanks.  Yeah my worry with regular gap filling foam was that it would absorb 
water, get nasty, then quickly deteriorate.  I was wondering if there was 
something new out there I hadn't heard of that was strong and water-resistant.  
That said, you raise a very good point about unintentionally trapping water.  
Fiberglass sounds like the way to go. 

After speaking with Harry just now I am going to do what he did - buy a thick 
fiberglass piece from McMaster Carr, rout out pieces to fit, and west system 
epoxy them in place.

Thanks guys!

Ryan

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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 8:31:05 -0400
> From: Steve Thomas 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support
> Message-ID: <20160520083105.EHP12.37992.root@toroondcmxzfep01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I would be very reluctant to use any sort of spray or pour foam in a bilge. 
> It is almost certain to saturate when it gets wet and cause problems down the 
> road. Aside from that, they tend to not have all that much structural 
> strength. Why not just use fiberglass? Another consideration would be that 
> you don't want to create areas where water pools and can't drain out. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> C MKI
> 
> 
>  Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I've been dealing with some flexing parts of my cabin sole around the bilge 
> access panel in my 1976 C 30.  I've put some wood shims between the cabin 
> sole and the hull fiberglass down there and they help a bit, but don't fix 
> the problem.
> 
> Because of the odd shape of the space between the cabin sole and the hull 
> fiberglass, I keep thinking there might be some sort of hardening foam I 
> could inject down there, or some sort of flexible substance that then could 
> harden to shore up the floor.  
> 
> Does such a thing exist?  Is that a terrible idea for any reason?  Anyone 
> have any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

I find it odd that your cabin sole flexes so much. Have you checked your mast 
step . If it has dropped or the wood support is rotten as it sits in water then 
it may be the cause of your weak sole . I own a 1979 era 30 and my cabin sole 
is solid . I also have teak and holly through out the cabin . Instead of foam 
you could epoxy in some hard wood wedges in the troublesome area. I would 
investigate it more as to why it is so weak though 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On May 20, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I've been dealing with some flexing parts of my cabin sole around the bilge 
> access panel in my 1976 C 30.  I've put some wood shims between the cabin 
> sole and the hull fiberglass down there and they help a bit, but don't fix 
> the problem.
> 
> Because of the odd shape of the space between the cabin sole and the hull 
> fiberglass, I keep thinking there might be some sort of hardening foam I 
> could inject down there, or some sort of flexible substance that then could 
> harden to shore up the floor.  
> 
> Does such a thing exist?  Is that a terrible idea for any reason?  Anyone 
> have any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Just got my renewal - Chesapeake Bay. Stock boat with folding prop, no
furler, standard sail specs - 174. 

Gary #593

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Bushie via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Bushie 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF

174 base. 6sec for roller furling above deck and 9sec for three blade fixed
prop. 189 adjusted phrf spin/non-spin. Ches Bay.

Rick Bushie
Anchovy, #1
Tolchester, MD

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Jeff

If your main and jibs are dacron and if you only have one jib > 110% and only 
one nylon spinnaker you qualify for recreational adjustment with is a further +6

Mike

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Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

Mine in Halifax is rated:
171 base + 6 for fixed prop
177 total.

If I chose to drop my spinnaker I
Would gain another 18 points for 195.

No adjustment for rolling furler

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From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>
Date: 2016-05-20 1:34 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list >
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating
Listers-

Just wondering how many of you 30-1 owners out there have ever received a PHRF 
certificate for your boat, and what your rating was.

Looking at 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 the range is 168-186 with mode 174 and mean 174.64 (and median 177).  But it's 
hard to know the particulars of all those boats that were rated e.g. how many 
had folding props. And there may be rating inconsistency between US Sailing 
regional sailing associations.

The PHRF chairman of my regional sailing association gave my 30-1 base PHRF of 
186, and an adjusted PHRF of 180 (a -6 adjustment due to spinnaker max width 
>180% of J).  AFAIK my boat is totally stock, including a fixed two-blade prop.

Just wondering how my PHRF ratings compare to other 30-1s' PHRF ratings, and 
wondering about the particulars of the 30-1s that got rated.

Thanks In Advance,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List solar windex light

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Joel – 

I’m very interested in something like that.   Let me know what happens.

 

Thanks,

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring windex light to running lights [C 34]

 

 Local LED vendor is supposed to be making me a solar powered LED windex light 
with. Photocell.  We'll see if he does.

 

Joel



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Re: Stus-List Wiring windex light to running lights [C 34]

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

If you navigation lights are installed correctly (and you are sailing), another 
boat should be able to see two lights only when directly ahead of you or 
exactly abeam. If the other boat is more than a few degrees away from dead 
ahead or dead abeam, they should only see one light.

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wiring windex light to running lights [C 34]

 

We’ve just got an anchor light up there at present and obviously we can’t run 
our anchor light while sailing. I thought about getting a tricolor, but 
honestly I am a little leery of other ships only being able to see one light at 
a time - it’s probably completely unfounded, but I feel like being able to see 
the bow light and stern light (if beam-on or aft) might make a difference. 
Obviously in heavy seas you might not see low-mounted running lights at all, so 
there the tricolor is obviously superior… 

 

-- 
Andrew Means
S.V. Safari - 1977 C 34 Mk I

Seattle, WA

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Mine in Halifax is rated:171 base + 6 for fixed prop177 total.
If I chose to drop my spinnaker IWould gain another 18 points for 195.
No adjustment for rolling furler
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 Original message 
From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List  
Date: 2016-05-20  1:34 AM  (GMT-04:00) 
To: cnc-list  
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating 

Listers-
Just wondering how many of you 30-1 owners out there have ever received a PHRF 
certificate for your boat, and what your rating was.
Looking at 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 the range is 168-186 with mode 174 and mean 174.64 (and median 177).  But it's 
hard to know the particulars of all those boats that were rated e.g. how many 
had folding props. And there may be rating inconsistency between US Sailing 
regional sailing associations.
The PHRF chairman of my regional sailing association gave my 30-1 base PHRF of 
186, and an adjusted PHRF of 180 (a -6 adjustment due to spinnaker max width 
>180% of J).  AFAIK my boat is totally stock, including a fixed two-blade prop.
Just wondering how my PHRF ratings compare to other 30-1s' PHRF ratings, and 
wondering about the particulars of the 30-1s that got rated.
Thanks In Advance,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO___

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

You may want to look at your local PHRF rules. The adjustment for the oversized 
spinnaker is typical. But in NCPHRF the presumption is that you have a folding 
or feathering prop (or an outboatd that can be raised out of the water). An 
exposed solid 2 blade prop is a +12 second adjustment.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 12:34 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF Rating

 

Listers-

 

Just wondering how many of you 30-1 owners out there have ever received a PHRF 
certificate for your boat, and what your rating was.

 

Looking at 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 the range is 168-186 with mode 174 and mean 174.64 (and median 177).  But it's 
hard to know the particulars of all those boats that were rated e.g. how many 
had folding props. And there may be rating inconsistency between US Sailing 
regional sailing associations.

 

The PHRF chairman of my regional sailing association gave my 30-1 base PHRF of 
186, and an adjusted PHRF of 180 (a -6 adjustment due to spinnaker max width 
>180% of J).  AFAIK my boat is totally stock, including a fixed two-blade prop.

 

Just wondering how my PHRF ratings compare to other 30-1s' PHRF ratings, and 
wondering about the particulars of the 30-1s that got rated.

 

Thanks In Advance,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I would be very reluctant to use any sort of spray or pour foam in a bilge. It 
is almost certain to saturate when it gets wet and cause problems down the 
road. Aside from that, they tend to not have all that much structural strength. 
Why not just use fiberglass? Another consideration would be that you don't want 
to create areas where water pools and can't drain out. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
C MKI


 Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  wrote: 
Hey everyone,

I've been dealing with some flexing parts of my cabin sole around the bilge 
access panel in my 1976 C 30.  I've put some wood shims between the cabin 
sole and the hull fiberglass down there and they help a bit, but don't fix the 
problem.

Because of the odd shape of the space between the cabin sole and the hull 
fiberglass, I keep thinking there might be some sort of hardening foam I could 
inject down there, or some sort of flexible substance that then could harden to 
shore up the floor.  

Does such a thing exist?  Is that a terrible idea for any reason?  Anyone have 
any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Ryan
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 PHRF

[Rick Bushie via CnC-List]

174 base. 6sec for roller furling above deck and 9sec for three blade fixed 
prop. 189 adjusted phrf spin/non-spin. Ches Bay.

Rick Bushie
Anchovy, #1
Tolchester, MD

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Stus-List 30mki cabin sole support

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,

I've been dealing with some flexing parts of my cabin sole around the bilge 
access panel in my 1976 C 30.  I've put some wood shims between the cabin 
sole and the hull fiberglass down there and they help a bit, but don't fix the 
problem.

Because of the odd shape of the space between the cabin sole and the hull 
fiberglass, I keep thinking there might be some sort of hardening foam I could 
inject down there, or some sort of flexible substance that then could harden to 
shore up the floor.  

Does such a thing exist?  Is that a terrible idea for any reason?  Anyone have 
any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Ryan
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Stus-List Mast boot

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the feedback about mastboots.  I ended up going with a tape
type material.  The options I found were a 4"x100" white material and a
5"x72" black material.  Rig-rite had both.  When comparing the two products
I found the white one was 0.5mm thick and I could expect to get at least 4
wraps for a total of 2.0mm.  Because of it's 4" width there was a
likelihood that I would have to taper the wrap up resulting in areas that
only had 2 or 3 layers thick instead of 4.

The black product was long enough to get a minimum of 2 wraps and more
likely 3 with no need to taper the overlaps since it is 5" wide.  So,
despite the product being shorter, there was a good likely that a total
thickness of 4.0mm would be achieved.  That's twice the thickness!  This
seemed like a no brainer.  I purchased the black product from rig-rite for
~$50 total.  I installed it  last night.  Very pleased with the results.
It ISN'T silicone tape.  It's a rubber product and is very adhesive to
itself.  If it touches itself you're pretty much done.  The rubber will
stretch to about 1.5 times its original length.  They also recommend that
you protect it with a fabric cover which I already had.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Wiring windex light to running lights [C 34]

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

 Local LED vendor is supposed to be making me a solar powered LED windex
light with. Photocell.  We'll see if he does.

Joel

On Friday, May 20, 2016, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I just added one on Touché.  It's run to its own breaker in the panel.  I
> wanted the option to use it our not.  Thinking about putting it on the
> running light circuit but still with its own switch to save a breaker.
>
> I was never comfortable using the anchor light to light up the Windex.
>
> (Splashing today after haul out for bottom paint.)
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>


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Re: Stus-List Wiring windex light to running lights [C 34]

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I just added one on Touché.  It's run to its own breaker in the panel.  I
wanted the option to use it our not.  Thinking about putting it on the
running light circuit but still with its own switch to save a breaker.

I was never comfortable using the anchor light to light up the Windex.

(Splashing today after haul out for bottom paint.)

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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