Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[David Folsom via CnC-List]

I have a 1981 C 36, bought it about 6 years ago and I am very happy with
the boat. It is a bit tender, but in part that is because I have a 155%
genoa.
In looking at the pictures in the ad, it looks like the boat has not been
that well cared for.
I would suggest carefully looking at the rod rigging, I spent about $4000
redoing mine.
Other things I note- my boat has a keel stepped mast, whereas I see a
compression post on this boat.
The mattress in the quarter berth is not the right fit, looks like
something happened to the cushions

The price is pretty good, but if there is alot of work to be done, it could
add up quickly.

If the basics are good (engine, rigging, deck) and the issues are just
cosmetic, then it is probably a good deal.

One thing I wish I had done when I bought my boat was getting a rigging
survey. It would have pointed out rigging issues that the regular survey
did not find, and I could have negotiated a better price.

Hope this helps

David Folsom
Rebel Maid
C 36
San Diego

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:42 AM, Dave via CnC-List 
wrote:

> For sure Joe, there will be much more variance boat to boat, and  anyway
> it's just one man's opinion.  (Well, I suppose two, cuz I agreed).  I.   I
> won't speak for the gentleman, but I remember the context, and the
> inference was not that earlier boats somehow lacked 'quality' relative to
> later, only that as manufacturers, c progressed .  (One would hope so,
> and I'm now comforted he did not suggest otherwise!)
>
>  To speak to the original post, Model-specific concerns are probably more
> relevant, as (to your point) is the condition of the specific boat.
> Really, they are all 'old'.
>
> Has blistering been an issue specific to any C production periods?
> Windstar (1985)  has had half-dozen tiny ones pop up, but nothing major.
>  (Again, To your point - my first boat, 1972 vintage, had none, ever,
> though it had some period-correct soggy deck coring - easily repaired in a
> boat with no hull liner)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 22:02:32 -0400
> From: "Joe Della Barba" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36
> Message-ID: <002001d1ff3d$e933a960$bb9afc20$@dellabarba.com>
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> I would disagree. C has been through enough changes that I would not say
> they have a graph of quality heading only upwards*. It would not take long
> to find older boat X better than newer boat Y. Besides for that, the boats
> are old enough to have had very different lives.
>
>
>
> * remember that as of 1970, blisters were a thing that had not yet happened
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com>
>
> Coquina
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> C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List East River insights/ Hobie 33 comments

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Check out these guys, Por Favor, a Hobie 33 in the 2015 & 2016 Race 
to Alaska (R2AK)


https://r2ak.com/registered-participants/#toggle-id-13

https://r2ak.com/relive2015/

We've also raced against them on a couple of Van Isle 360. These 
boats can take more than most crews. Por Favor has one tough crew!


Hobie 33? No problem!

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 01:22 PM 31/08/2016, you wrote:
Those are fun boats!  I have great memories of trips on a Hobbie 
33.  First overnight with such dense fog we could hardly see the 
bow, long trip with my wife, I was stuck in the quarter/pipe berth 
and she was in the bow, and a fine spinnaker run by moonlight.


Enjoy, Lee


> On Aug 31, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

>
> Thank you all for the advice!
>
> It is an outboard in a well.  A newish 5hp tohatsu 4-stroke.  I'm 
trying to talk him into borrowing a 10hp (the boat's max rating) for the trip.

>
> He is set on doing this weekend...  I kind of wanted to go but, 
not really on this boat!  lol

>
> Danny
>
> On 8/31/2016 3:40 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
>> Nothing to be afraid of generally. Especially with the current 
in his favor. Early is definitely better than later in the day. 
Traffic can get things rocking in there. Not good for an outboard.

>> JP
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very 
light boat, 4000 lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver 
from rockaway beack back to Narragansett bay this Saturday. His 
initial intention was to run the outside of long island but the 
forecast is for some big wind and probably some big seas.

>>>
>>> We were researching the east river as an alternative so he 
could go up LI sound for a more protected journey.  The current is 
very much in his favor as low tide is 8am.  the current will be 
slowing at that time and turning toward LI sound.  One of his crew 
is really afraid if the river.  I think the going on the inside is 
a better choice and he is on the fence.  I thought I would throw it 
out to you guys and see if anyone that has experience with 
navigating the east river would offer some words of wisdom.

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Danny
>>> T40
>>> Rum Runner IV
>>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>>
>>>
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Stus-List East River and Boat Shopping

[Barry Lenoble via CnC-List]

Hey,

I agree that the East River is the best way to go. However, you can pretend
you are doing the Around Long Island Regatta and sail around Montauk. 

To the guy (Rob?) who is boat shopping for a 34+. Have you considered the
newer C 99? You might find one in your price range and they are very nice.

Good luck,
Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY




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Stus-List 1988 30 MKII For Sale

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

I'm moving on up.   For sale:

1988 30 MKII
Newer interior visions
Bottom sided custom cockpit cushions
Brand spamming new force 10 stove and propane system.
Rocna and Fortress with chain/nylon Rhodes
Yanmar 2GM20F. Well maintained, runs great.
New two blade prop in 2013
SH VHF with AIS receiver.
Nice cockpit table.
Teak and Holly floor and interior woodwork in nice shape. Magma grill
propane grill.
Full battened main, 135 and 110 all in OK shape for cruising/daysailing, if
you are competitive racer then you might want some upgrades.
Whisker pole
Running rigging is fine, again if you are a serious racer you might want to
spend some dough.
New rudder bearing 2013
Lots more...
Located in Mystic CT
34K Before I get a broker involved. Will list with a broker soon for 37K.

Rob Gallagher
860-389-6900
trys...@gmail.com
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Stus-List Re east river

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

I've done it. Not difficult BUT I noticed you mentioned "Tide".  Eldridge's
is your best friend, you need "Current" predictions, they do not run on
schedule with the tide like Narragansett Bay seems to. It can through a
wrench I your plans if you use tidal predictions.

Apologies if you already knew this...

Rob
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Re: Stus-List The Hunt Is On

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

Oh my god! Catalina?! Might as well go all the way and get one with an in-mast 
furler!
_
From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:10 AM
Subject: Stus-List The Hunt Is On
To: >
Cc: Robert Gallagher >


Seriously boat shopping. Looking for a 34+ wing keel, reasonable price, in New 
England on the ocean. (Or a CS 36 Merlin)

If anyone knows of one for sale, or thinking of selling one, give me a shout.

It's either that or I buy a Catalina 36MKII --- don't make me do it!  I swear, 
I'll do it!

Rob Gallagher

Oh and:  http://cncnortheast.com  be there or be square (like Edd)


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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 127, Issue 184

[William via CnC-List]

Re:  East River vs Outside this Saturday

The inside route will be by fat the best choice!  As Ed says, enter the river 
at the Battery 1-2 hours after low tide.  It's a very cool ride.

Sent from my iPhone

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>   1. Re:  The Hunt Is On (Edd Schillay)
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>   3.  East River insights (Danny Haughey)
>   4. Re:  East River insights (Edd Schillay)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:27:52 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List The Hunt Is On
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> Rob,
> 
> No deals ? especially when you stepped on board last year and announced ?I 
> hate you!? and ?Oh, f? you!? And when you saw the back cabin with the walk 
> around queen bed and said, ?I really f?in hate you!?
> 
> And let?s not forget when you stood dockside telling other C?ers at the 
> Rendezvous, ?You don?t want to go in there."
> 
> Kirk out. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> @Dave, yea almost, but not so much.  I'd consider one if it came up in my 
>> price range but that won't likely happen unless Captain Kirk decides to cut 
>> me a deal.
>> 
>> @Mike,  I saw that Merlin on Yacht World. There is also a nice 34+ in 
>> upstate NY. 
>> 
>> My issue is that shipping and all that goes with it will probably add 10% to 
>> the purchase price.   I have to wait for something I can sail home :)
>> 
>> My Budget should be 50K but of course I can go a bit higher. If I have to 
>> add more to that in trucking, loading, stepping, etc it's just too much.
>> 
>> I have considered the long motor down the Hudson but that would take up some 
>> serious time and expense as well.
>> 
>> I think I'm gonna have to wait for something to come up between Virginia and 
>> Maine.  And also maybe get lucky and find someone before they get involved 
>> with a broker and the price goes up another 10%. 
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
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> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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> I have a remote control with 15 or 20 feet of cable I got from FleaBay. I 
> love it ? I can be under the dodger or up on deck steering ?
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark Evans 
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List EV 100 autopilot
> 
> I have mine at the entrance to the companion way under the dodger.  I am out 
> of the rain when I motor which is when I find that I use the autohelm the 
> most.  My autohelm draws 4.5 amps so I do not use it frequently without the 
> engine running.  I can however it is a power hog.
> Where are you going to stand when you are going to be using it?
> 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.

Re: Stus-List East River insights

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I have transited the East River many times.  Do not look at low water at the 
Battery.  Look at current at Hell Gate.   That is the most problematic area 
with the most rapid currents and you want to make sure you pass through with 
the current (on a flood).   Hell Gate currents are listed in NOAA's table.   
Here are the currents for Saturday.  Note the 4.7 knot ebb.   If you lose your 
outboard in that you will have no control and even with the outboard you will 
barely make any progress against that ebb.   Jerry

2016-09-03 Sat  2:42 AM EDT   -4.7 knots  Max Ebb
2016-09-03 Sat  6:02 AM EDT0.0 knots  Slack, Flood Begins
2016-09-03 Sat  6:25 AM EDT   Sunrise
2016-09-03 Sat  9:05 AM EDT3.7 knots  Max Flood
2016-09-03 Sat 12:10 PM EDT   -0.0 knots  Slack, Ebb Begins
2016-09-03 Sat  2:57 PM EDT   -4.7 knots  Max Ebb
2016-09-03 Sat  6:20 PM EDT0.0 knots  Slack, Flood Begins
2016-09-03 Sat  7:23 PM EDT   Sunset


 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2016 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List East River insights



HI Edd,

Thats great info!!  I think the decision is made to go through  the river.  
Low water 8am, that gives 3 hours to get to the  battery from 6am and 
plenty of time to get through.

Thanks for the quick response!!

Danny



On 8/31/2016 3:03 PM, Edd Schillay via  CnC-List wrote:


Danny,  

  
  
The key to the East River is the currents — Going upto the Sound can be 
a very easy and fast trip if you plan thetiming right. You want to be 
at the battery anywhere between 2hours after low tide and an hour 
before high tide. 
  

  
  
See: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/NYC-Currents-Battery-Low.jpg
 and 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/NYC-Currents-Battery-High.jpg
 
  

  
  
Stay close to the Manhattan side, ESPECIALLY goingaround Roosevelt 
Island (there’s a bridge on the Queens sidethat will demast you.) 
  

  
  
It’s a great trip, especially going past all of thebuildings and people 
enjoying the parks. Bring your camera andprepare to do a lot of waving. 
  

  
  
It will get a little bouncy, but not overly so ifyou use the timing 
I’ve laid out, going through Hell Gate (notappropriately named — trust 
me.) 
  

  
  
After Hell gate, you’ll pass the Brother Islands,Riker’s Island Prison, 
LaGuardia Airport (when a Southerly isblowing, the planes will fly 
right over your head — lots ofwow-factor) and then under the Whitestone 
and Throggs Neckbridges. 
  

  
  
Depending on the hour of the day, you can continueon in the Sound or 
stop overnight at City Island, known forgreat seafood, yacht clubs and 
marinas, antique shops, a veryfunny movie starring Andy Garcia and 
Julianne Marguiles (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1174730/?ref_=nv_sr_1),
and the home “starbase” for the Enterprise (which can be seen inthe 
aforementioned movie a few times.)
  

  
  
As someone who has done some ocean sailing, yes, theinside is a FAR 
better choice. 

  
  

All the best,
  

  
  
Edd
  

  
  

  
  
Edd M. Schillay
  
Starship Enterprise
  
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
  
City Island, NY 


Starship  Enterprise's Captain's Log
  

  
  
  

  

  



  


  

On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Danny Haughey via  CnC-List 
  wrote:


  
Hello all,

I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a  
  very light boat, 4000 lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He
want to deliver from rockaway beack back to Narragansettbay 
this Saturday. His initial intention was to run theoutside of 
long island but the forecast is for some bigwind and probably 
some big seas.

We were researching the east river as an alternative so 
   he could go up LI sound for a more protected journey. 
The current is very much in his favor as low tide is8am.  the 
current will be slowing at that time andturning toward LI 
sound.  One of his crew is really

Re: Stus-List East River insights

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

He should definitely go inside. Keep an eye on the chart in the River because 
there are a couple of slightly confusing bits but it will be no problem for 
that boat...even with an outboard engine. 
Great boat, by the way. I would love to have one to race.
Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Aug 31, 2016, at 14:42, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very light boat, 4000 
> lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver from rockaway beack back to 
> Narragansett bay this Saturday. His initial intention was to run the outside 
> of long island but the forecast is for some big wind and probably some big 
> seas.
> 
> We were researching the east river as an alternative so he could go up LI 
> sound for a more protected journey.  The current is very much in his favor as 
> low tide is 8am.  the current will be slowing at that time and turning toward 
> LI sound.  One of his crew is really afraid if the river.  I think the going 
> on the inside is a better choice and he is on the fence.  I thought I would 
> throw it out to you guys and see if anyone that has experience with 
> navigating the east river would offer some words of wisdom.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
> 
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Re: Stus-List East River insights/ Hobie 33 comments

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Those are fun boats!  I have great memories of trips on a Hobbie 33.  First 
overnight with such dense fog we could hardly see the bow, long trip with my 
wife, I was stuck in the quarter/pipe berth and she was in the bow, and a fine 
spinnaker run by moonlight.

Enjoy, Lee


> On Aug 31, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for the advice!
> 
> It is an outboard in a well.  A newish 5hp tohatsu 4-stroke.  I'm trying to 
> talk him into borrowing a 10hp (the boat's max rating) for the trip.
> 
> He is set on doing this weekend...  I kind of wanted to go but, not really on 
> this boat!  lol
> 
> Danny
> 
> On 8/31/2016 3:40 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:
>> Nothing to be afraid of generally. Especially with the current in his favor. 
>> Early is definitely better than later in the day. Traffic can get things 
>> rocking in there. Not good for an outboard.
>> JP
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very light boat, 
>>> 4000 lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver from rockaway beack 
>>> back to Narragansett bay this Saturday. His initial intention was to run 
>>> the outside of long island but the forecast is for some big wind and 
>>> probably some big seas.
>>> 
>>> We were researching the east river as an alternative so he could go up LI 
>>> sound for a more protected journey.  The current is very much in his favor 
>>> as low tide is 8am.  the current will be slowing at that time and turning 
>>> toward LI sound.  One of his crew is really afraid if the river.  I think 
>>> the going on the inside is a better choice and he is on the fence.  I 
>>> thought I would throw it out to you guys and see if anyone that has 
>>> experience with navigating the east river would offer some words of wisdom.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Danny
>>> T40
>>> Rum Runner IV
>>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Sliding companion way hatch. 35-3

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Remove the traveler support and the sea hood.  My sea hood is held in place
by sheet metal screws.  The traveler support is through bolted, with access
from the inspection panels.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List East River insights

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

I'd echo what others have said, it's a great trip, certainly easier to 
go with the current.  Little while ago I helped bring a boat from Mill 
Basin, right near Far Rockaway, to LI Sound; there's some ferry traffic 
in Rockaway Inlet, but once clear if you hug the Brooklyn shore all the 
way to the East River you'll be out of most of the commercial traffic.


An invaluable tool (thanks to someone on this list) is:

http://www.deepzoom.com/

Other than that it's not really difficult, just have to be alert, watch 
the chart & buoys.  Great views of NY harbor and city.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 8/31/2016 2:42 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote:

Hello all,

I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very light 
boat, 4000 lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver from 
rockaway beack back to Narragansett bay this Saturday. His initial 
intention was to run the outside of long island but the forecast is 
for some big wind and probably some big seas.


We were researching the east river as an alternative so he could go up 
LI sound for a more protected journey.  The current is very much in 
his favor as low tide is 8am.  the current will be slowing at that 
time and turning toward LI sound.  One of his crew is really afraid if 
the river.  I think the going on the inside is a better choice and he 
is on the fence.  I thought I would throw it out to you guys and see 
if anyone that has experience with navigating the east river would 
offer some words of wisdom.






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Re: Stus-List Sliding companion way hatch. 35-3

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I never did mine, but thought about it.  I think you need to remove the
traveler to remove the sprayhood,  Then it should be exposed.

OR, mine was held in with a screw at the forward end of the plexi.  Cut the
screw and remove the old one, and don't put a screw in the new one.

Joel

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:46 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List  wrote:

> So how do I replace the darn thing?
> 35-3 companion way sliding hatch.
> As in remove it with out damage. The replacement I can handle.
> Jon Pratt
> Hideaway.
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Re: Stus-List East River insights

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Thank you all for the advice!

It is an outboard in a well.  A newish 5hp tohatsu 4-stroke.  I'm trying 
to talk him into borrowing a 10hp (the boat's max rating) for the trip.


He is set on doing this weekend...  I kind of wanted to go but, not 
really on this boat!  lol


Danny

On 8/31/2016 3:40 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote:

Nothing to be afraid of generally. Especially with the current in his favor. 
Early is definitely better than later in the day. Traffic can get things 
rocking in there. Not good for an outboard.
JP

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On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hello all,

I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very light boat, 4000 
lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver from rockaway beack back to 
Narragansett bay this Saturday. His initial intention was to run the outside of 
long island but the forecast is for some big wind and probably some big seas.

We were researching the east river as an alternative so he could go up LI sound 
for a more protected journey.  The current is very much in his favor as low 
tide is 8am.  the current will be slowing at that time and turning toward LI 
sound.  One of his crew is really afraid if the river.  I think the going on 
the inside is a better choice and he is on the fence.  I thought I would throw 
it out to you guys and see if anyone that has experience with navigating the 
east river would offer some words of wisdom.


--
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List East River insights

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

Edd is correct.  He needs to be prepared for lots of commercial traffic.
 most will be going his way, and ferry traffic should be lighter than on a
weekday.  He needs to be confident about his engine/fuel system.  Won't be
doing any sailing.

Its a ride everyone should do at least once!  The highlight of the
Annapolis Newport race was the return down the East River.  Even better
than the party at the NYYC!

Joel

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very light boat,
> 4000 lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver from rockaway beack
> back to Narragansett bay this Saturday. His initial intention was to run
> the outside of long island but the forecast is for some big wind and
> probably some big seas.
>
> We were researching the east river as an alternative so he could go up LI
> sound for a more protected journey.  The current is very much in his favor
> as low tide is 8am.  the current will be slowing at that time and turning
> toward LI sound.  One of his crew is really afraid if the river.  I think
> the going on the inside is a better choice and he is on the fence.  I
> thought I would throw it out to you guys and see if anyone that has
> experience with navigating the east river would offer some words of wisdom.
>
>
> --
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
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Re: Stus-List East River insights

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Danny,

The key to the East River is the currents — Going up to the Sound can be a very 
easy and fast trip if you plan the timing right. You want to be at the battery 
anywhere between 2 hours after low tide and an hour before high tide. 

See: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/NYC-Currents-Battery-Low.jpg
 

 and 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/NYC-Currents-Battery-High.jpg
 

 

Stay close to the Manhattan side, ESPECIALLY going around Roosevelt Island 
(there’s a bridge on the Queens side that will demast you.) 

It’s a great trip, especially going past all of the buildings and people 
enjoying the parks. Bring your camera and prepare to do a lot of waving. 

It will get a little bouncy, but not overly so if you use the timing I’ve laid 
out, going through Hell Gate (not appropriately named — trust me.) 

After Hell gate, you’ll pass the Brother Islands, Riker’s Island Prison, 
LaGuardia Airport (when a Southerly is blowing, the planes will fly right over 
your head — lots of wow-factor) and then under the Whitestone and Throggs Neck 
bridges. 

Depending on the hour of the day, you can continue on in the Sound or stop 
overnight at City Island, known for great seafood, yacht clubs and marinas, 
antique shops, a very funny movie starring Andy Garcia and Julianne Marguiles 
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1174730/?ref_=nv_sr_1 
), and the home “starbase” 
for the Enterprise (which can be seen in the aforementioned movie a few times.)

As someone who has done some ocean sailing, yes, the inside is a FAR better 
choice. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 









> On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very light boat, 4000 
> lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver from rockaway beack back to 
> Narragansett bay this Saturday. His initial intention was to run the outside 
> of long island but the forecast is for some big wind and probably some big 
> seas.
> 
> We were researching the east river as an alternative so he could go up LI 
> sound for a more protected journey.  The current is very much in his favor as 
> low tide is 8am.  the current will be slowing at that time and turning toward 
> LI sound.  One of his crew is really afraid if the river.  I think the going 
> on the inside is a better choice and he is on the fence.  I thought I would 
> throw it out to you guys and see if anyone that has experience with 
> navigating the east river would offer some words of wisdom.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
> 
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Stus-List East River insights

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hello all,

I have a friend that just purchased a Hobie 33.  its a very light boat, 
4000 lbs, and very narrow, 8' beam, He want to deliver from rockaway 
beack back to Narragansett bay this Saturday. His initial intention was 
to run the outside of long island but the forecast is for some big wind 
and probably some big seas.


We were researching the east river as an alternative so he could go up 
LI sound for a more protected journey.  The current is very much in his 
favor as low tide is 8am.  the current will be slowing at that time and 
turning toward LI sound.  One of his crew is really afraid if the 
river.  I think the going on the inside is a better choice and he is on 
the fence.  I thought I would throw it out to you guys and see if anyone 
that has experience with navigating the east river would offer some 
words of wisdom.



--
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List EV 100 autopilot

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have a remote control with 15 or 20 feet of cable I got from FleaBay. I love 
it – I can be under the dodger or up on deck steering ☺
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark Evans 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 00:19
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Mark Evans
Subject: Re: Stus-List EV 100 autopilot

I have mine at the entrance to the companion way under the dodger.  I am out of 
the rain when I motor which is when I find that I use the autohelm the most.  
My autohelm draws 4.5 amps so I do not use it frequently without the engine 
running.  I can however it is a power hog.
Where are you going to stand when you are going to be using it?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I think that at the helm is the default place, but I have seen it mounted 
either on the cockpit coaming or on a adjustable arm, so it can be turned 180 
degrees (so it can be used from in front of the wheel). This  type of mounting 
frees you from being stuck behind the wheel.

If you sail with a crew (at least double handed), having the control at the 
wheel makes plenty of sense. But if you single hand often, I would say that you 
want to have the option to operate from in front of the wheel. So the control 
head should be reachable from there.

When I sail solo I spend at least 50% of the time in front of the wheel. Of 
course, this is a function of where your sail controls are. I have the cabin 
top traveller and the cabin top winches for the genoa sheets.

Just my $0.02

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 16:32
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey >
Subject: Re: Stus-List EV 100 autopilot


I can't help but wonder, if setting an autopilot is so you can leave the helm 
for short periods of time, why is the control better at the helm?  you would 
think that being able to adjust from in front of the helm would have some 
benefit...  I know it is just my ignorance speaking but, I'm just curious as to 
the benefits of one location over the other.  Especially if you have a 
compatible plotter at the helm and can make some adjustments (I know it lacks 
some functionality through the plotter), would it not be somewhat redundant?  
Not that redundancy is necessarily a bad thing...

Danny

On 8/30/2016 4:04 PM, mike amirault via CnC-List wrote:
I strongly recommend you put the control head at the helm, not on the side of 
the companionway. I had mounted mine at the companionway and ended up moving it 
to a box on the helm; much more useful there and you can display up to 6 boxes 
of data connected to the backbone.



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Re: Stus-List The Hunt Is On

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Rob,

No deals — especially when you stepped on board last year and announced “I hate 
you!” and “Oh, f— you!” And when you saw the back cabin with the walk around 
queen bed and said, “I really f—in hate you!”

And let’s not forget when you stood dockside telling other C’ers at the 
Rendezvous, “You don’t want to go in there."

Kirk out. 






> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> @Dave, yea almost, but not so much.  I'd consider one if it came up in my 
> price range but that won't likely happen unless Captain Kirk decides to cut 
> me a deal.
> 
> @Mike,  I saw that Merlin on Yacht World. There is also a nice 34+ in upstate 
> NY. 
> 
> My issue is that shipping and all that goes with it will probably add 10% to 
> the purchase price.   I have to wait for something I can sail home :)
> 
> My Budget should be 50K but of course I can go a bit higher. If I have to add 
> more to that in trucking, loading, stepping, etc it's just too much.
> 
> I have considered the long motor down the Hudson but that would take up some 
> serious time and expense as well.
> 
> I think I'm gonna have to wait for something to come up between Virginia and 
> Maine.  And also maybe get lucky and find someone before they get involved 
> with a broker and the price goes up another 10%. 
> 
> Rob
> 
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Stus-List The Hunt Is On

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

@Dave, yea almost, but not so much.  I'd consider one if it came up in my
price range but that won't likely happen unless Captain Kirk decides to cut
me a deal.

@Mike,  I saw that Merlin on Yacht World. There is also a nice 34+ in
upstate NY.

My issue is that shipping and all that goes with it will probably add 10%
to the purchase price.   I have to wait for something I can sail home :)

My Budget should be 50K but of course I can go a bit higher. If I have to
add more to that in trucking, loading, stepping, etc it's just too much.

I have considered the long motor down the Hudson but that would take up
some serious time and expense as well.

I think I'm gonna have to wait for something to come up between Virginia
and Maine.  And also maybe get lucky and find someone before they get
involved with a broker and the price goes up another 10%.

Rob
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Re: Stus-List Window Leak

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The owner of a small sport boat hired me to remove the ports that were
screwed in by a boatyard and restore them to the original glued in ports.
Looked a LOT better.  Sport boat manufacturer uses marine silicon.  I used
black LifeSeal.  The port were not structural.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was not prepared to do the glued/taped windows on my C 36 XL/kcb when
> the windows were replaced this past spring. (They were both leaking and
> 'crazed' from the NC sun after 15+ year in it).
>
> The yard preferred to seal them with a proper sealant and then use screws
> to hold them in place--they were so reluctant to either glue or tape them
> (and stand behind their work!) that I gave up and let them do it their
> preferred way.
>
> Time will tell whether I made the best choice. OTOH, given the sun and
> heat, cabin-top flexing when racing or pounding into waves, etc. and
> without 'proper' window frames, I doubt any window fix is really permanent
> on our C
>
> Thus Mike's suggestion of screwed in windows, done reasonably correctly
> with a reasonable number of screws used to simply keep reasonable
> compression on the sealant, makes a lot of sense. It certainly makes the
> job easier and cheaper compared to the trouble of breaking a glued joint
> which leaks.
>
> It boils down to if the job is pretty easy and cheap, doing it more often
> (if required) might be preferable to the effort required to do replace
> glued in windows done less often.
>
> YMMV,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>
> cenel...@aol.com
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List The Hunt Is On

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Shallow draft I get, but why a wing keel specifically?
They act like a big suction cup on a muddy bottom, and can be hard to work 
loose. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Robert Gallagher 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:09
  Subject: Stus-List The Hunt Is On


  Seriously boat shopping. Looking for a 34+ wing keel, reasonable price, in 
New England on the ocean. (Or a CS 36 Merlin)


  If anyone knows of one for sale, or thinking of selling one, give me a shout.


  It's either that or I buy a Catalina 36MKII --- don't make me do it!  I 
swear, I'll do it!


  Rob Gallagher


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Re: Stus-List Window Leak

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I was not prepared to do the glued/taped windows on my C 36 XL/kcb when the 
windows were replaced this past spring. (They were both leaking and 'crazed' 
from the NC sun after 15+ year in it).
 
The yard preferred to seal them with a proper sealant and then use screws to 
hold them in place--they were so reluctant to either glue or tape them (and 
stand behind their work!) that I gave up and let them do it their preferred way.
 
Time will tell whether I made the best choice. OTOH, given the sun and heat, 
cabin-top flexing when racing or pounding into waves, etc. and without 'proper' 
window frames, I doubt any window fix is really permanent on our C

Thus Mike's suggestion of screwed in windows, done reasonably correctly with a 
reasonable number of screws used to simply keep reasonable compression on the 
sealant, makes a lot of sense. It certainly makes the job easier and cheaper 
compared to the trouble of breaking a glued joint which leaks. 

It boils down to if the job is pretty easy and cheap, doing it more often (if 
required) might be preferable to the effort required to do replace glued in 
windows done less often.

YMMV,

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
 
cenel...@aol.com

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2016 10:19 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Window Leak



Hmmm … beg to differ
 
Over the years I have heard too many stories of the frameless C windows 
leaking and the difficulties rebedding.  On top of that the one single 
persistent problem in the C 36 that we had new from 1980 thru 1990 was 
leaking windows and difficulty resealing.  On our J Boat with screwed in 
windows I simply removed screws, removed window pane, cleaned edges of window 
and frame and then added a bead of silicon and screwed back in place.  20 
minutes a window, no leaks and extremely simple
 
However .. and it is a big however … screwed in windows where they were not 
supposed to be screwed in do not always look right.  Our Niagara 26 used the 
same 35” aluminum extruded frames as the C of the 70s.  Previous owner had 
decided to remove the frames and screw a piece of plexi over the opening.  It 
looked awful.  We purchased “new” frames from Rob at South Shore (they were new 
and sat outside unused for 20+ years) and it looked far better.  Probably won’t 
look right on the 80s C either…
 
My $0.02
 
Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
 
(with glued in place windows and no frames or screws)
 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of mike amirault 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: amira...@bellaliant.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Window Leak

 

I agree with Alan; more screws are just going to make the leak worse. Get rid 
of the screws, fill the holes and glue the window with Sika, or Dow795 or VHB 
tape.


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Re: Stus-List The Hunt Is On

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Is the Catalina 36MKII the model with cabinets only screwed in instead of
bolted and bulkheads only tabbed?  If so, don't do it!

Joel

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Rob
>
>
>
> I believe there is a CS36 merlin for sale in St Peters Nova Scotia on the
> Bras Dors Lakes.  Ken Heighton can confirm or correct
>
>
>
> (I would pick the 34+ over that though)
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Gallagher via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:09 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Robert Gallagher
> *Subject:* Stus-List The Hunt Is On
>
>
>
> Seriously boat shopping. Looking for a 34+ wing keel, reasonable price, in
> New England on the ocean. (Or a CS 36 Merlin)
>
>
>
> If anyone knows of one for sale, or thinking of selling one, give me a
> shout.
>
>
>
> It's either that or I buy a Catalina 36MKII --- don't make me do it!  I
> swear, I'll do it!
>
>
>
> Rob Gallagher
>
>
>
> Oh and:  http://cncnortheast.com  be there or be square (like Edd)
>
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Re: Stus-List The Hunt Is On

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Rob

I believe there is a CS36 merlin for sale in St Peters Nova Scotia on the Bras 
Dors Lakes.  Ken Heighton can confirm or correct

(I would pick the 34+ over that though)

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
Gallagher via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Gallagher
Subject: Stus-List The Hunt Is On

Seriously boat shopping. Looking for a 34+ wing keel, reasonable price, in New 
England on the ocean. (Or a CS 36 Merlin)

If anyone knows of one for sale, or thinking of selling one, give me a shout.

It's either that or I buy a Catalina 36MKII --- don't make me do it!  I swear, 
I'll do it!

Rob Gallagher

Oh and:  http://cncnortheast.com  be there or be square (like Edd)
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Re: Stus-List The Hunt Is On

[David via CnC-List]

So your buying an almost effing thing...?

Good for you.  What do you want for your boat?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:09:18 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List The Hunt Is On
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: trys...@gmail.com

Seriously boat shopping. Looking for a 34+ wing keel, reasonable price, in New 
England on the ocean. (Or a CS 36 Merlin)
If anyone knows of one for sale, or thinking of selling one, give me a shout.
It's either that or I buy a Catalina 36MKII --- don't make me do it!  I swear, 
I'll do it!
Rob Gallagher
Oh and:  http://cncnortheast.com  be there or be square (like Edd)

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Stus-List autopilot location

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

In 2003 I mounted the control head on the cabin bulkhead next to the 
companionway. It came with a wired remote that I thought I would locate at the 
wheel. Never got that done. The bulkhead location worked well for raising and 
lowering sails and for running long legs offshore or up the Delaware. But 
whenever I had to dodge something like a cab pot float or switch from "auto" to 
"hand steering" I had a few steps to the wheel. The clutch is on the wheel, so 
putting the autohelm on Standby doesn't release the wheel. You still need to 
get behind the wheel to release the clutch lever, so you can hand steer. 

In 2015, my autohelm control head died. I upgraded to the EV-100 and found a 
better location next to the wheel. I like this better, but I would recommend 
the binacle as an even better location. I race my boat solo and daysail with 
non sailing guests and feel an autohelm is the most important upgrade on the 
boat. I added one to my tiller steered Cape Dory 22 back in 1982 and wouldn't 
have a boat without one. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Danny Haughey via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Danny Haughey"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 4:31:37 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List EV 100 autopilot 



I can't help but wonder, if setting an autopilot is so you can leave the helm 
for short periods of time, why is the control better at the helm? you would 
think that being able to adjust from in front of the helm would have some 
benefit... I know it is just my ignorance speaking but, I'm just curious as to 
the benefits of one location over the other. Especially if you have a 
compatible plotter at the helm and can make some adjustments (I know it lacks 
some functionality through the plotter), would it not be somewhat redundant? 
Not that redundancy is necessarily a bad thing... 


Danny 

On 8/30/2016 4:04 PM, mike amirault via CnC-List wrote: 



I strongly recommend you put the control head at the helm, not on the side of 
the companionway. I had mounted mine at the companionway and ended up moving it 
to a box on the helm; much more useful there and you can display up to 6 boxes 
of data connected to the backbone. 


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