Re: Stus-List Freeze proofing

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

Happy 2017 to all!

Turns out my paranoia was not all in vain.  Shore power was off for 3 days
with temps into the 19F range. The marina suffered a 1 in 20 year "Arctic
outflow" storm with a direct hit of winds > 50kn. Word on the dock is that
a BC Ferries captain clocked 80kn winds nearby.  My boat was in one of the
most vulnerable spots.  She fared better than many in more sheltered slips
(who suffered torn sails, snapped dock lines, shore power in the water,
broken fenders, etc.).  The dock finger my boat was tied to broke loose but
my boat sustained no damage as far as I can tell (aside from some popped
fenders and a bit of hull paint). Can't say the same about the downwind
boat...

Knock on teak.

Cheers,
  Jeremy


On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Jeremy Ralph 
wrote:

> Thanks to all for the feedback on freeze proofing.
>
> Patrick - I also run a heater and an Ecoseb desiccant dehumidifier (which
> is awesome!).  Last year I didn't do anything with antifreeze, just the
> heaters, and everything was alright.  This year the freeze is a lot colder
> though.  I do worry about power outages, but maybe I'm paranoid from
> reading stories on the interwebs of the power going out in a storm and
> engines freezing.
>
> On Dec 13, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Patrick Davin  wrote:
>
> I take a different strategy here in Seattle - no winterizing, just a
> marine electric heater on power=2, temp = lowest (anti freeze setting).
> Plus visiting the boat 1-2 times per week, which I'm doing anyway for
> winter projects. And sailing about 1x/month.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

FWIW, I looked into splitting the backstay for my 34R and determined I would 
forgoe using U Bolts and substitute a length of Stainless Tee section from 
McMaster Carr.  That would allow me to shape the Tee bar into a proper tang 
with one hole for the backstay and six to eight bolts through the transom.   
It's easy to beef up the transom area by adding layers of glass inside and 
spread the load further using a large aluminum backing plate.  When I priced 
the 10,000# rated pulley needed for the backstay and faced hiring a rigger to 
shorten the backstay, I put the project into a folder marked, "If I ever win 
the lottery".


The point of all this is to encourage those who want the boat.  Reinforcing is 
a nice winter project; remove the U-bolts, apply layers of glass, add backing 
plates, make it better. 


Chuck
Resolute1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

> On January 4, 2017 at 7:04 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Follow the link below.  Find a transom picture - there are many.  The 
> humps on port and stbd top corners are the attachment points for the 
> hydraulics.  On Michael Cotton's boat,  Blue Pearl, there was only a single 
> hydraulic piston which attached on the port side.  This piston pulled down 
> against a turning block attached to the backstay which transfered half the 
> load to the starboard side.  The humps have a horizontal portion where a 
> standard u-bolt extends through.  It is hard to tell but the load 
> distribution has relatively limited surface area.  Even if it had (and it 
> doesn't) a custom strongback designed to fully engage the horizontal section 
> of the hump, it is still a considerable amount of point loading.  I've 
> visualized all manner of correction for this perceived weakness but continue 
> to fail to take action.
> 
> It is my belief that while a better design is/was possible, only one boat 
> has had a failure.  Evaluating that single known failure on that boat shows 
> that it is also possibly the only boat with a signal hydraulic ram.  Maybe a 
> hangup in the turning block caused an unequal distribution of the load 
> resulting in the failure.
> 
> I watch mine and consider pursuing the reinforcement from time to time.
> 
> https://plus.google.com/117078816966198897128/posts/2qzHVRgqeVz 
> https://plus.google.com/117078816966198897128/posts/2qzHVRgqeVz
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Jan 4, 2017 2:21 PM, "Mark Baldridge via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > Tom,
> > 
> > I looked at the boat about when the photos were taken and prior to 
> > the listing going up. The backstay is currently disconnected while the 
> > hydraulics are out being rebuilt. They are currently tied off to the stern 
> > pulpit. If you look close at the main picture you can see attachment point 
> > next to where the hydraulic line exits the deck.
> > 
> > I assume that this is standard.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> > 
> > On 1/4/2017 1:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Hey Mark
> > > 
> > > I took a look at Ogopogo, the 37+/4- in Fairhope,online.  
> > > Since this string started with questions about the back stay on these 
> > > boats, I was wondering about the set up on the one you're looking at.  
> > > They seems to have been relocate inboard from their original location on 
> > > the transom.  I'm curious as to why this was done.  Any idea or 
> > > explanation given?
> > > 
> > > GL with the purchase...I am a huge fan of the 37+/40!
> > > 
> > > Tom B
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:17:34 -0500
> > From: Mark Baldridge  
> > mailto:jmbaldri...@gmail.com
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay 
> > Inspection/Improvements
> > Message-ID: 
> > <6afc5ca3-ac75-7fc3-a725-64d0a88e0...@gmail.com> 
> > mailto:6afc5ca3-ac75-7fc3-a725-64d0a88e0...@gmail.com
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; 
> > Format="flowed"
> > 
> > Good luck Bruce!
> > 
> > Our survey is the 10th of January on the 1989 37/40+ out of 
> > Fairhope,
> > AL.  hull #30 (ex Dakota). Hoping for a good pass as well!
> > 
> > Mark Baldridge
> > ~~_/)
> > '75 C MKII "The Edge"
> > Surf City, NC
> > 
> > > 
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>  

Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

I may be wrong but I think the 37/40 always had an option of a CB. Before I 
ordered my 34/36 XL in 1993 I was shown the CB on a 37/40 by the salesman at 
the Annapolis Boat show as an example of what it would look like on my boat 
after it was built. 

The 37 was significantly beyond my price range but it was shown at
the show that year IIRC. At that time, when I knew relatively little about C 
sailboats, it and my 36 XL 'clone' were the ONLY production models that offered 
a CB--Sabre's and Tartans offered only wing 'keels' for skinny water sailing. 
Having raced on wing keels I watched as most non-wing keel boats killed us to 
weather and vowed NEVER to own one.

In fact, I am pretty certain that the mechanical design of my CB is identical 
to that perfected on the 37--perhaps scaled back to maintain similar sailing 
parameters on the smaller LOA of the 36, which is actually 35.5 LOA--whereas I 
think the 37 is more like 39.5 LOA (trying to use the same scale factor that 
C marketing did when I ordered a 34 and accepted a 36 both of which had the 
same LOA!--go figure.)

While I have since learned about the superior sailing qualities of our C and 
still love my boat 22 years later, I purchased her because I wanted to sail 
well to weather and when I put her away in NC, she had to be able to get into a 
5 ft. deep slip.  A CB was the only option then--lifting keels (IMHO then and 
now expensive mechanical/hydraulic one-off engineering nightmares) in 35 
footers were a thing of the future.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
 









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> On Jan 4, 2017, at 5:30 PM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I looked at it also...very nice boat, I wasn't aware that a centerboard was 
> an option for the 37+ series...; I would be interested in a follow up report 
> after you've had the boat for a while...hope the survey turns out well for 
> you. 
> 
> Richard
> S/V Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
> Richard N. Bush 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Mark Baldridge 
> Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 3:21 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I looked at the boat about when the photos were taken and prior to the 
> listing going up. The backstay is currently disconnected while the hydraulics 
> are out being rebuilt. They are currently tied off to the stern pulpit. If 
> you look close at the main picture you can see attachment point next to where 
> the hydraulic line exits the deck.
> 
> I assume that this is standard.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
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Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Follow the link below.  Find a transom picture - there are many.  The humps
on port and stbd top corners are the attachment points for the hydraulics.
On Michael Cotton's boat,  Blue Pearl, there was only a single hydraulic
piston which attached on the port side.  This piston pulled down against a
turning block attached to the backstay which transfered half the load to
the starboard side.  The humps have a horizontal portion where a standard
u-bolt extends through.  It is hard to tell but the load distribution has
relatively limited surface area.  Even if it had (and it doesn't) a custom
strongback designed to fully engage the horizontal section of the hump, it
is still a considerable amount of point loading.  I've visualized all
manner of correction for this perceived weakness but continue to fail to
take action.

It is my belief that while a better design is/was possible, only one boat
has had a failure.  Evaluating that single known failure on that boat shows
that it is also possibly the only boat with a signal hydraulic ram.  Maybe
a hangup in the turning block caused an unequal distribution of the load
resulting in the failure.

I watch mine and consider pursuing the reinforcement from time to time.

https://plus.google.com/117078816966198897128/posts/2qzHVRgqeVz

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 4, 2017 2:21 PM, "Mark Baldridge via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I looked at the boat about when the photos were taken and prior to the
> listing going up. The backstay is currently disconnected while the
> hydraulics are out being rebuilt. They are currently tied off to the stern
> pulpit. If you look close at the main picture you can see attachment point
> next to where the hydraulic line exits the deck.
>
> I assume that this is standard.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> On 1/4/2017 1:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hey Mark
>
> I took a look at Ogopogo, the 37+/4- in Fairhope,online.  Since this
> string started with questions about the back stay on these boats, I was
> wondering about the set up on the one you're looking at.  They seems to
> have been relocate inboard from their original location on the transom.
> I'm curious as to why this was done.  Any idea or explanation given?
>
> GL with the purchase...I am a huge fan of the 37+/40!
>
> Tom B
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:17:34 -0500
> From: Mark Baldridge  
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements
> Message-ID: <6afc5ca3-ac75-7fc3-a725-64d0a88e0...@gmail.com>
> <6afc5ca3-ac75-7fc3-a725-64d0a88e0...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>
> Good luck Bruce!
>
> Our survey is the 10th of January on the 1989 37/40+ out of Fairhope,
> AL.  hull #30 (ex Dakota). Hoping for a good pass as well!
>
> Mark Baldridge
> ~~_/)
> '75 C MKII "The Edge"
> Surf City, NC
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
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>
>
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Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 I looked at it also...very nice boat, I wasn't aware that a centerboard was an 
option for the 37+ series...; I would be interested in a follow up report after 
you've had the boat for a while...hope the survey turns out well for you. 

 


Richard
S/V Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Mark Baldridge 
Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements


Tom,

I looked at the boat about when the photos were taken and prior tothe 
listing going up. The backstay is currently disconnected whilethe 
hydraulics are out being rebuilt. They are currently tied off tothe stern 
pulpit. If you look close at the main picture you can seeattachment point 
next to where the hydraulic line exits the deck.

I assume that this is standard.

Thanks,
Mark



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Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[Mark Baldridge via CnC-List]

Tom,

I looked at the boat about when the photos were taken and prior to the 
listing going up. The backstay is currently disconnected while the 
hydraulics are out being rebuilt. They are currently tied off to the 
stern pulpit. If you look close at the main picture you can see 
attachment point next to where the hydraulic line exits the deck.


I assume that this is standard.

Thanks,
Mark

On 1/4/2017 1:55 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

Hey Mark

I took a look at Ogopogo, the 37+/4- in Fairhope,online.  Since this 
string started with questions about the back stay on these boats, I 
was wondering about the set up on the one you're looking at.  They 
seems to have been relocate inboard from their original location on 
the transom.  I'm curious as to why this was done.  Any idea or 
explanation given?


GL with the purchase...I am a huge fan of the 37+/40!

Tom B

--

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:17:34 -0500
From: Mark Baldridge 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements
Message-ID: <6afc5ca3-ac75-7fc3-a725-64d0a88e0...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"

Good luck Bruce!

Our survey is the 10th of January on the 1989 37/40+ out of Fairhope,
AL.  hull #30 (ex Dakota). Hoping for a good pass as well!

Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'75 C MKII "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



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Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Hey Mark

I took a look at Ogopogo, the 37+/4- in Fairhope,online.  Since this 
string started with questions about the back stay on these boats, I 
was wondering about the set up on the one you're looking at.  They 
seems to have been relocate inboard from their original location on 
the transom.  I'm curious as to why this was done.  Any idea or 
explanation given?


GL with the purchase...I am a huge fan of the 37+/40!

Tom B

--

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:17:34 -0500
From: Mark Baldridge 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37+ Backstay Inspection/Improvements
Message-ID: <6afc5ca3-ac75-7fc3-a725-64d0a88e0...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"

Good luck Bruce!

Our survey is the 10th of January on the 1989 37/40+ out of Fairhope,
AL.  hull #30 (ex Dakota). Hoping for a good pass as well!

Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'75 C MKII "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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