Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I asked Rob Ball about doing that to my deep draft 40 and he replied something 
to the effect of, "if I'd thought it was a good idea, I would have designed the 
boat that way!" 
I'd love to have a shallower boat, but I'd hate to lose the wonderful way she 
sails. Sailing wins!
It's like a fellow who would love it if his wife was calmer, but a lobotomy 
would take away all the stuff he loves too.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On May 30, 2017, at 21:27, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I had the keel on Imzadi reduced from 6’1” to 5’6”, and installed a torpedo 
> made by Mars Metals. Back when I had it done, the cost was about $3600. Mars 
> was making the keels for Benneteau in South Carolina, and they shipped my 
> bulb on the back of a load going to Benneteau so shipping was cheap. I expect 
> that the same bulb would be more now because lead is more expensive. Ditto 
> the scrap value of the lead block you cut off.
>  
> We cut the keel with a chainsaw, weighed it and reported the weight to Mars, 
> they sent me a bulb that fit the profile of the keel and bolted in place with 
> ½” carriage bolts they supplied. IIRC, the lost keel weighed 850 pounds and 
> the bulb weighed 1150 (or something like that). The boat still points well 
> and NCPHRF gave me 6 seconds for shortening the keel.
>  
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruno 
> Lachance via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:33 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bruno Lachance 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale
>  
> I saw a few C&Cs with draft réductions around here. Mars metal, who i 
> understand produced the keels for most of our boats, have the templates, 
> datas and know how to produce a bulb in two sections that you can bolt to the 
> reduced keel and fair. A kind of DIY kit. You can cut the keel with a 
> chainsawand they will calculate the weight of the bulb to compensate for the 
> loss. they should also advise you if you are going too far, from what i heard 
> they have a good knowledge of our boats.
>  
> https://marskeel.com/
> 
> MarsKeel |Production Lead Keels for the Sailboat Industry
> marskeel.com
> For 35 years Mars Keel Technology has united its passion for sailing & vast 
> technical experience to supply quality keels to builders & sailors worldwide
> The shipping will be expensive!
>  
> Bruno Lachance
> Bécassine, 1987 33 mkII (will splash this thuesday!)
> New-Richmond, Qc
>  
> 
> De : CnC-List  de la part de Danny Haughey via 
> CnC-List 
> Envoyé : 30 mai 2017 16:11
> À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc : Danny Haughey
> Objet : Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale
>  
> The yard I was at in westport did it on a C&C 41 I looked at
>  
> On 5/30/2017 4:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
> The guy with the 40 for sale in the Rio Dulce did it...with success he says. 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 West Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI 
> USA 02840
>  
> +401 965 5260
>  
> 
> On May 30, 2017, at 15:59, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?
> 6 feet is the absolute max for me.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale
>  
> Saw this listing:
>  
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html
>  
> Don't know the boat.
>  
> --
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I had the keel on Imzadi reduced from 6’1” to 5’6”, and installed a torpedo
made by Mars Metals. Back when I had it done, the cost was about $3600. Mars
was making the keels for Benneteau in South Carolina, and they shipped my
bulb on the back of a load going to Benneteau so shipping was cheap. I
expect that the same bulb would be more now because lead is more expensive.
Ditto the scrap value of the lead block you cut off.

 

We cut the keel with a chainsaw, weighed it and reported the weight to Mars,
they sent me a bulb that fit the profile of the keel and bolted in place
with ½” carriage bolts they supplied. IIRC, the lost keel weighed 850 pounds
and the bulb weighed 1150 (or something like that). The boat still points
well and NCPHRF gave me 6 seconds for shortening the keel.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Lachance via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bruno Lachance 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

 

I saw a few C&Cs with draft réductions around here. Mars metal, who i
understand produced the keels for most of our boats, have the templates,
datas and know how to produce a bulb in two sections that you can bolt to
the reduced keel and fair. A kind of DIY kit. You can cut the keel with a
chainsawand they will calculate the weight of the bulb to compensate for the
loss. they should also advise you if you are going too far, from what i
heard they have a good knowledge of our boats.

 

https://marskeel.com/


  

  MarsKeel |Production Lead Keels for the Sailboat
Industry

marskeel.com

For 35 years Mars Keel Technology has united its passion for sailing & vast
technical experience to supply quality keels to builders & sailors worldwide

The shipping will be expensive!

 

Bruno Lachance

Bécassine, 1987 33 mkII (will splash this thuesday!)
New-Richmond, Qc

 

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CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Envoyé : 30 mai 2017 16:11
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc : Danny Haughey
Objet : Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale 

 

The yard I was at in westport did it on a C&C 41 I looked at

 

On 5/30/2017 4:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:

The guy with the 40 for sale in the Rio Dulce did it...with success he says.


Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

Andrew Burton 

61 West Narragansett Ave

Newport, RI 

USA 02840

 

+401 965 5260

 


On May 30, 2017, at 15:59, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?

6 feet is the absolute max for me.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

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Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

 

Saw this listing:

 

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

 

Don't know the boat.


 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[james via CnC-List]

I looked into the draft reduction. Rick Brass has done it on his 38 and 
he is very happy with the results. He went the Mars Metals route with a 
bulb to replace the lost weight and stability. I gave it a lot of 
thought, but with the current price of lead and the shipping costs, I 
decided against it. OTOH, my boat "only" draws 6'1" (very deep draft for 
my area). I have become friendly with the local TowBoat captain and I 
don't have much hope of keeping a lot of paint on the bottom of my keel!


James

Delaney

1976 C&C 38

Oriental, NC


On 5/30/2017 11:24 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Saw this listing:

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

Don't know the boat.

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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[coltrek via CnC-List]

There is a 40 here with a wing keel, maybe 5 - 6 foot draft. 


Regards,
Bill Coleman C&C 39, Erie

 Original message 
From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List"  
Date: 5/30/17  16:43  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Della Barba, Joe"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale 



Sadly a 7 or 8 foot draft boat is very hard to sell to a non-racer here. Too 
many places you can never go – including my slip!
 
Joe
Coquina

C&C 35 MK I
 
 


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On Behalf Of Bruno Lachance via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:33 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Bruno Lachance 

Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale


 

I saw a few C&Cs with draft réductions around here. Mars metal, who i 
understand produced the keels for most of our boats, have the templates, datas 
and know how to produce a bulb in two sections
 that you can bolt to the reduced keel and fair. A kind of DIY kit. You can cut 
the keel with a chainsawand they will calculate the weight of the bulb to 
compensate for the loss. they should also advise you if you are going too far, 
from what i heard they have
 a good knowledge of our boats.
 
https://marskeel.com/











MarsKeel |Production
 Lead Keels for the Sailboat Industry


marskeel.com


For 35 years Mars Keel Technology has united its passion for sailing & vast 
technical experience to supply quality
 keels to builders & sailors worldwide






The shipping will be expensive!
 
Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, 1987 33 mkII (will splash this thuesday!)

New-Richmond, Qc
 





De : CnC-List 
 de la part de Danny Haughey via CnC-List 

Envoyé : 30 mai 2017 16:11

À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc : Danny Haughey

Objet : Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale


 



The yard I was at in westport did it on a C&C 41 I looked at
 

On 5/30/2017 4:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:



The guy with the 40 for sale in the Rio Dulce did it...with success he says. 


Andy


C&C 40


Peregrine



Andrew Burton 

61 West Narragansett Ave


Newport, RI 


USA 02840


 


+401 965 5260


 





On May 30, 2017, at 15:59, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:




Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?
6 feet is the absolute max for me.
 
Joe
Coquina
 
From: CnC-List
 [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Joel Aronson 

Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale
 

Saw this listing:

 


https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html


 


Don't know the boat.



 

--


Joel


301 541 8551








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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sadly a 7 or 8 foot draft boat is very hard to sell to a non-racer here. Too 
many places you can never go - including my slip!

Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruno 
Lachance via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bruno Lachance 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale


I saw a few C&Cs with draft réductions around here. Mars metal, who i 
understand produced the keels for most of our boats, have the templates, datas 
and know how to produce a bulb in two sections that you can bolt to the reduced 
keel and fair. A kind of DIY kit. You can cut the keel with a chainsawand they 
will calculate the weight of the bulb to compensate for the loss. they should 
also advise you if you are going too far, from what i heard they have a good 
knowledge of our boats.



https://marskeel.com/
[https://marskeel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/custom-keel-systems.jpg]

MarsKeel |Production Lead Keels for the Sailboat Industry
marskeel.com
For 35 years Mars Keel Technology has united its passion for sailing & vast 
technical experience to supply quality keels to builders & sailors worldwide


The shipping will be expensive!



Bruno Lachance

Bécassine, 1987 33 mkII (will splash this thuesday!)
New-Richmond, Qc


De : CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> de la 
part de Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Envoyé : 30 mai 2017 16:11
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc : Danny Haughey
Objet : Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale


The yard I was at in westport did it on a C&C 41 I looked at

On 5/30/2017 4:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
The guy with the 40 for sale in the Rio Dulce did it...with success he says.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


On May 30, 2017, at 15:59, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?
6 feet is the absolute max for me.

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

Saw this listing:

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

Don't know the boat.

--
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

I saw a few C&Cs with draft réductions around here. Mars metal, who i 
understand produced the keels for most of our boats, have the templates, datas 
and know how to produce a bulb in two sections that you can bolt to the reduced 
keel and fair. A kind of DIY kit. You can cut the keel with a chainsawand they 
will calculate the weight of the bulb to compensate for the loss. they should 
also advise you if you are going too far, from what i heard they have a good 
knowledge of our boats.


https://marskeel.com/

[https://marskeel.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/custom-keel-systems.jpg]

MarsKeel |Production Lead Keels for the Sailboat Industry
marskeel.com
For 35 years Mars Keel Technology has united its passion for sailing & vast 
technical experience to supply quality keels to builders & sailors worldwide


The shipping will be expensive!


Bruno Lachance

Bécassine, 1987 33 mkII (will splash this thuesday!)
New-Richmond, Qc



De : CnC-List  de la part de Danny Haughey via 
CnC-List 
Envoyé : 30 mai 2017 16:11
À : cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc : Danny Haughey
Objet : Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale


The yard I was at in westport did it on a C&C 41 I looked at

On 5/30/2017 4:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
The guy with the 40 for sale in the Rio Dulce did it...with success he says.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


On May 30, 2017, at 15:59, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?
6 feet is the absolute max for me.

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

Saw this listing:

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

Don't know the boat.

--
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301 541 8551
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Stus-List Chesapeake bay

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Just passed a gorgeous 30 named Foxy ghosting beautifully along at the head of 
Chesapeake Bay. Love those boats!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

The yard I was at in westport did it on a C&C 41 I looked at


On 5/30/2017 4:10 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
The guy with the 40 for sale in the Rio Dulce did it...with success he 
says.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


On May 30, 2017, at 15:59, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?

6 feet is the absolute max for me.

Joe

Coquina

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Joel Aronson via CnC-List

*Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Joel Aronson >

*Subject:* Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

Saw this listing:

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

Don't know the boat.

--

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301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The guy with the 40 for sale in the Rio Dulce did it...with success he says. 
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


> On May 30, 2017, at 15:59, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?
> 6 feet is the absolute max for me.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale
>  
> Saw this listing:
>  
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html
>  
> Don't know the boat.
>  
> --
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Centerboard pin

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

when I got my boat I had the plates that the pin went through replaced 
as the hole elongated.  The pin was fine.  the pin is SS and the plates 
were bronze.


I think the hardest part is getting the boat somewhere that you can 
exercise the board and get a look at things.  our yard has a pit but 
they'll charge to put you over it and then charge rent for being there...


Danny


On 5/30/2017 3:46 PM, Bunky via CnC-List wrote:
Just had the bottom of Luna, C&C35 painted professionally, and the 
technician wondered if I ever checked the centerboard pin. Do these 
fail? Need to be checked? What a job that would be.



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Re: Stus-List Centerboard pin

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Not as much of a job as it is if the pin fails and the centerboard is hanging 
under the boat by the cable!

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Cc: Bunky 
Subject: Stus-List Centerboard pin

Just had the bottom of Luna, C&C35 painted professionally, and the technician 
wondered if I ever checked the centerboard pin. Do these fail? Need to be 
checked? What a job that would be.
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Re: Stus-List Centerboard pin

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Bunny

When I removed my centre board the pin was bent.  It is made of 1" stainless 
steal.  Couldn't tell just looking at the keel.

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On May 30, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Bunky via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Just had the bottom of Luna, C&C35 painted professionally, and the technician 
> wondered if I ever checked the centerboard pin. Do these fail? Need to be 
> checked? What a job that would be.
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Re: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Anyone know how hard it is to saw a foot or two off the keel?
6 feet is the absolute max for me.

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

Saw this listing:

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

Don't know the boat.

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Stus-List Centerboard pin

[Bunky via CnC-List]

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Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

When I had my cushions reupholstered, I had the foam covered with very thin
plastic from Home Depot.  I think it was sold in the paint department.  No
problem with moisture in the foam.

Alan
Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> UPDATE:
>
> After a 4 day trip, I have to say this has worked out fantastic!
>
> The increase in comfort is huge and the $$$ small.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2017 8:27 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth
>
>
>
> I do have a Tufted Topper – got one years ago. It did help with the crappy
> old cushions and REALLY is nice on top of the new mattress. As far as
> moisture goes, that remains to be seen. I don’t see any reason it will be
> any better or any worse than the old cushions. You can always put this
> stuff under the mattress: https://www.dri-dek.com/pages/marine
> 
>
>
>
> Some additional notes: The mattress came with a cover that with a little
> work, could be unzipped and removed. I cut the foam with the mattress out
> of the cover and put the cover back on. Some creative tucking has all the
> extra underneath and I am sure anyone handy with sewing could make it fit
> even better. The Tufted Topper is quite nice, but the custom fitted sheets
> were not so much. The bottom sheet would come loose and the top sheet was
> too small.  YMMV
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *T power via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:13 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* T power 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth
>
>
>
> I also have the original 1973 cushions that need replacing. I like the
> idea of the memory foam option. Is there any problem with the cushion
> holding moisture from humidity. I plan to put something under the cushion
> like dri-deck tiles.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Tom Power
>
> Invictus
>
> C&C 30 MK1
>
> Fredericton, NB
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of schiller
> via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 8, 2017 7:51:44 PM
> *To:* ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
> *Cc:* schiller
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth
>
>
>
> +1 on the Tuffted topper.  We have one for the V-berth but are now
> spending more nights in the main because there is more space and that is
> where the TV is (I know, rough life).  We do have a matress pad to add to
> the new cushions for the main.
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
> (C&C 35, Mark I)
> "Corsair"
> Waiting for spring to bottom pain in White Lake, Michigan
>
> On 5/8/2017 5:55 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote:
>
> If you don't want to go to the trouble that Joe did, but don't like
> sleeping on the crack in the V-berth, try a Tufted Topper Pillow-Top Pad.
> www.tuftedtopper.com
> .
> I bought one ten years ago, and it's as comfortable as it was when I bought
> it.
>
> Alan Bergen
>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>
> Rose City YC
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I had finally had enough of the 1980 era fabric on 1973 era foam v-berth
> cushions and decided to make something better. I ordered a 6 inch thick
> king sized memory foam mattress and an electric carving knife from Amazon,
> drew an outline of the cushions, and started cutting.
>
> So far so good J
>
> I crammed and stuffed it into the car, drove down to the dock, and now had
> to carry this huge thing in wind gusting to 30 onto the boat and get it
> aboard without getting launched off the dock. Well that was hard enough,
> but the next step was not totally thought through. The companionway and the
> passage past the head to the v-berth are not really up to king sized
> mattress moving. After what felt like a huge fight with an angry giant
> octopus, I finally got it up there. It is very comfortable too, but what a
> freaking pain!
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
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Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

UPDATE:
After a 4 day trip, I have to say this has worked out fantastic!
The increase in comfort is huge and the $$$ small.

Joe
Coquina C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 8:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth

I do have a Tufted Topper - got one years ago. It did help with the crappy old 
cushions and REALLY is nice on top of the new mattress. As far as moisture 
goes, that remains to be seen. I don't see any reason it will be any better or 
any worse than the old cushions. You can always put this stuff under the 
mattress: https://www.dri-dek.com/pages/marine

Some additional notes: The mattress came with a cover that with a little work, 
could be unzipped and removed. I cut the foam with the mattress out of the 
cover and put the cover back on. Some creative tucking has all the extra 
underneath and I am sure anyone handy with sewing could make it fit even 
better. The Tufted Topper is quite nice, but the custom fitted sheets were not 
so much. The bottom sheet would come loose and the top sheet was too small.  
YMMV
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: T power mailto:sv_invic...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth


I also have the original 1973 cushions that need replacing. I like the idea of 
the memory foam option. Is there any problem with the cushion holding moisture 
from humidity. I plan to put something under the cushion like dri-deck tiles.



Cheers,


Tom Power
Invictus
C&C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of schiller via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 7:51:44 PM
To: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
Cc: schiller
Subject: Re: Stus-List the foam monster that ate the v-berth

+1 on the Tuffted topper.  We have one for the V-berth but are now spending 
more nights in the main because there is more space and that is where the TV is 
(I know, rough life).  We do have a matress pad to add to the new cushions for 
the main.

Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
Waiting for spring to bottom pain in White Lake, Michigan
On 5/8/2017 5:55 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote:
If you don't want to go to the trouble that Joe did, but don't like sleeping on 
the crack in the V-berth, try a Tufted Topper Pillow-Top Pad.  
www.tuftedtopper.com.  I bought one ten years ago, 
and it's as comfortable as it was when I bought it.
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had finally had enough of the 1980 era fabric on 1973 era foam v-berth 
cushions and decided to make something better. I ordered a 6 inch thick king 
sized memory foam mattress and an electric carving knife from Amazon, drew an 
outline of the cushions, and started cutting.
So far so good :)
I crammed and stuffed it into the car, drove down to the dock, and now had to 
carry this huge thing in wind gusting to 30 onto the boat and get it aboard 
without getting launched off the dock. Well that was hard enough, but the next 
step was not totally thought through. The companionway and the passage past the 
head to the v-berth are not really up to king sized mattress moving. After what 
felt like a huge fight with an angry giant octopus, I finally got it up there. 
It is very comfortable too, but what a freaking pain!

Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Stus-List C&C 40 for sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Saw this listing:

https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/6153505462.html

Don't know the boat.

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Stus-List furling line

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

I just replaced my line with 3/8 polyester. Easier on the hands, plenty of room 
on the drum. As pointed out, strength is not an issue. Sometimes it's easier to 
use the winch to furl the sail, but it is never hard, so my guess is I've never 
had a line load of over 150 lbs. It's wear and tear on my hands I'm reducing.
Also, make sure the line angle off the drum is perpendicular, or nearly so. 
Makes a big difference. Mine's lead through a fair lead attached to the aft 
stanchion on the pulpit. Easily adjusted. And cheap.
Dan SheerPegathy - LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Stus-List Tuning Guide to C&C 29-2

[johnr via CnC-List]

Anyone have access to tuning guide for the C&C 29-2?


Cheers,
John McLaughlin
Falcon
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 network down

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

I just installed a brand new Triton system with Zeus 2. When we got
everything wired up and plugged in the Wind transducer, it blanked the data
on the system. If I unplugged it, the data would come back.

I called B&G and they had me return the wind transducer and have mailed me
a new one. I am yet to try the new one.

I was not particularly impressed with their tech support. They didn't ask
me any questions, just told me to mail the transducer back. Their ticketing
system told me they received it and that someone was looking at it. And
then without any other communication I got a shipping notice.

We will see what happens when I try the new one.

Eric
S/V Hee Soo
C&C 34/36


On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Partial luck today.  No success restarting from the Zeus, I never could
> get it to see any devices.  After that, I pretty much took the system apart
> and built it up piece by piece starting with a depth/speed transducer and a
> single display.  Once that worked, I added things back in and figured out
> the issue is either the wind transducer or the cable in the mast going up
> to it.  The minute I add that to the system at the base of the mast, the
> NMEA 2000 network just crashes.  Take it out and all the other devices work
> and see each other immediately. The cable does not show any shorts and the
> blue/white pair registers 120 ohms when isolated from the rest of the
> system, indicating connectivity all the way the termination point in the
> transducer.  Because of that and the dramatic results when it is wired in,
> I suspect the transducer itself, but have a message into B&G support to get
> their advice.  I added another terminator at the base of the mast and left
> the transducer out of the system for the time being to at least have speed,
> depth, heading and AIS data for now.  Thanks for the suggestions, I will
> post again when I get some resolution.
>
>
>
> Jim Reinardy
>
> C&C 30-2 “Firewater”
>
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Reinardy [mailto:firewa...@reinardy.us]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:18 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; C&C List 
> *Cc:* Gary Russell 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 network down
>
>
>
> Thanks, Gary.  I will try that.  I initialized it from one of the Tritons
> but not the Zeus.  Currently, the Zeus only sees itself.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 8:46 PM -0500, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The bus must be initialized by the Zeus MFD.  Try  reinitializing the
> network from the Zeus2.  As I recall, it will tell you what devices it sees
> on the network.
>
> Gary
>
> S/V Kaylarah
>
> '90 C&C 37+
>
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Having big instrument issues to start the season and going crazy trying to
> figure it out. This is all B&G equipment including a Zeus Touch 7 and three
> Triton displays.  All displays power up fine but I am getting no data from
> wind, depth, speed or compass transducers.  The diagnostic on the displays
> say that the NMEA 2000 bus is off, but I don't know why.
>
>
>
> The red and black wires show 12v at all points I can measure.  The
> resistance of white and blue is 60 ohms with both ends terminated, 120 ohms
> with either terminator off, and about 20k ohms with both terminators off.
> This seems normal based on articles I found online. I have also tried
> taking each piece of equipment out of the loop as best I can.  Nothing I do
> seems to give me a network.  Any ideas what I am missing?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jim Reinardy
>
> C&C 30-2 "Firewater"
>
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>
>
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Re: Stus-List furling line

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

+1 for the resistance to kinking and hockling.

We have very limited selection of ropes here and I am using a standard double 
braid and after two seasons it is showing signs of internal twisting.

The original line was much better.

Marek


 Original message 
From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
Date: 5/30/17 09:23 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

Mike,
For what it’s worth, you’re not going to break a furling line, even it is 
loading up when used as a “reefing line”.  Unless you choose some ratty old 
clothesline, sun bleached polypropylene, or a chafed and pulled old dinghy 
halyard, the rope isn’t really the stress point and shouldn’t fail.  Most folks 
don’t service their furlers regularly and as such, they don’t spin well with a 
load on them.  I’d perform that task before I’d buy high modulus line for a 
furler.
The only true benefit to a “high tech” line would be minimizing the stretch in 
the rope.  Fully loaded, you may see 2-3% stretch with a double braid polyester 
vs. .5-1% with high modulus line.  If that difference is worth paying $1 per 
foot more for the line, be my guest!  As a marketing person for a rope 
manufacturer, we LOVE selling expensive rope to sailors!  But, practically 
speaking, furling line is not an area where the breaking strength or even 
really stretch is a critical factor.  How the rope feels and grips, its 
resistance to kinking and hockling, running smoothly in blocks, is a much more 
desirable trait in a furling line.
Putting a tiny ¼” furling line on the boat will make crew very unhappy when 
they need to quickly douse a jib.   It is just too small to handle comfortably. 
 The practice of de-coring the rope for the first few feet of the furler is 
pretty common when you are dealing with a smaller drum and a big jib. Or in 
Danny’s case, a boom furler with limited capacity.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

What about a high tech line that is smaller than 5/16 diameter for the first 30 
feet or so and then larger diameter for the final amount where your hands work 
the rope.  Would that not fit better inside the furling drum?

Mike
Persistence
HAlifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

Seems about right.  And I too will unload the sail before furling or reefing so 
there isn't the full force of the sail working against the furler.
Calculations of the load of the sail transferred to the furling line would be 
difficult given sail size, wind speed, wind angle, friction in bearings in the 
furler, sail condition, and sheeting would all play into the equation.  More of 
a sailmaker question I would think...
Or if one had a load cell that could be hooked up to the furling line for field 
testing.
Chuck

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Chuck,

I cannot pull the furling line when it is loaded. I know that people try doing 
that with a winch, but from what I know it is not what furler manufacturers 
recommend. I furl only when the genoa is slacked (usually a bit down wind, 
during a tack, or when sheets slacked if little wind).

In order to split this hair... Assuming that the radius of the sail wrapped 
around extrusion is the same as the radius on the drum, the force would be 
equal to what the sheet is pulling. I think that one might assume that the 
leverage is 2:1 (the drum radius is double of the sail radius), so the force is 
half. I am not sure how safe is that assumption.

Marek

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:35
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

Marek,
The tensile strength of 5/16” XLE polyester double braid is roughly 3600 lbs.  
Even if one were to assume a 5:1 ratio to develop a “safe working Load”  you’d 
still be looking at 720lbs.  I can’t imagine that there would be that much 
pressure against the drum..you certainly wouldn’t be able to pull the line if 
it were loaded that heavily.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 LF 35
Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

Anyone calculated what should be the working load strength for the furling 
line? It does not count, if you don’t ever use it for reefing, but 

Re: Stus-List furling line

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Mike,

For what it’s worth, you’re not going to break a furling line, even it is 
loading up when used as a “reefing line”.  Unless you choose some ratty old 
clothesline, sun bleached polypropylene, or a chafed and pulled old dinghy 
halyard, the rope isn’t really the stress point and shouldn’t fail.  Most folks 
don’t service their furlers regularly and as such, they don’t spin well with a 
load on them.  I’d perform that task before I’d buy high modulus line for a 
furler.

The only true benefit to a “high tech” line would be minimizing the stretch in 
the rope.  Fully loaded, you may see 2-3% stretch with a double braid polyester 
vs. .5-1% with high modulus line.  If that difference is worth paying $1 per 
foot more for the line, be my guest!  As a marketing person for a rope 
manufacturer, we LOVE selling expensive rope to sailors!  But, practically 
speaking, furling line is not an area where the breaking strength or even 
really stretch is a critical factor.  How the rope feels and grips, its 
resistance to kinking and hockling, running smoothly in blocks, is a much more 
desirable trait in a furling line.

Putting a tiny ¼” furling line on the boat will make crew very unhappy when 
they need to quickly douse a jib.   It is just too small to handle comfortably. 
 The practice of de-coring the rope for the first few feet of the furler is 
pretty common when you are dealing with a smaller drum and a big jib. Or in 
Danny’s case, a boom furler with limited capacity.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

 

What about a high tech line that is smaller than 5/16 diameter for the first 30 
feet or so and then larger diameter for the final amount where your hands work 
the rope.  Would that not fit better inside the furling drum?

 

Mike

Persistence

HAlifax

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

 

Seems about right.  And I too will unload the sail before furling or reefing so 
there isn't the full force of the sail working against the furler.  

Calculations of the load of the sail transferred to the furling line would be 
difficult given sail size, wind speed, wind angle, friction in bearings in the 
furler, sail condition, and sheeting would all play into the equation.  More of 
a sailmaker question I would think...

Or if one had a load cell that could be hooked up to the furling line for field 
testing.

Chuck

Sent from my iPhone


On May 29, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Chuck,

 

I cannot pull the furling line when it is loaded. I know that people try doing 
that with a winch, but from what I know it is not what furler manufacturers 
recommend. I furl only when the genoa is slacked (usually a bit down wind, 
during a tack, or when sheets slacked if little wind).

 

In order to split this hair... Assuming that the radius of the sail wrapped 
around extrusion is the same as the radius on the drum, the force would be 
equal to what the sheet is pulling. I think that one might assume that the 
leverage is 2:1 (the drum radius is double of the sail radius), so the force is 
half. I am not sure how safe is that assumption.

 

Marek

 

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 

Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:35

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 

Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

 

Marek,

The tensile strength of 5/16” XLE polyester double braid is roughly 3600 lbs.  
Even if one were to assume a 5:1 ratio to develop a “safe working Load”  you’d 
still be looking at 720lbs.  I can’t imagine that there would be that much 
pressure against the drum..you certainly wouldn’t be able to pull the line if 
it were loaded that heavily.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

 

Anyone calculated what should be the working load strength for the furling 
line? It does not count, if you don’t ever use it for reefing, but what if you 
do?

 

One could probably run some calculations (e.g. based on the working load on the 
sheet and the ratio of the diameter of the furling drum and the sailed furled 
on the extrusion), but if there is a ready-made solution, I would be interested.

 

thanks

 

Marek

1994 C270, Legato

Ottawa, ON

 

 

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 

Re: Stus-List furling line

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I was having an issue with too much furling line on our boom furler and 
schaefer sent me a replacement furling line with the cover removed for 
about 20'.  (not for free but...)  It really helped with the bulk on the 
spool


Danny


On 5/30/2017 8:17 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


What about a high tech line that is smaller than 5/16 diameter for the 
first 30 feet or so and then larger diameter for the final amount 
where your hands work the rope.  Would that not fit better inside the 
furling drum?


Mike

Persistence

HAlifax

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List

*Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 9:48 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List furling line

Seems about right.  And I too will unload the sail before furling or 
reefing so there isn't the full force of the sail working against the 
furler.


Calculations of the load of the sail transferred to the furling line 
would be difficult given sail size, wind speed, wind angle, friction 
in bearings in the furler, sail condition, and sheeting would all play 
into the equation.  More of a sailmaker question I would think...


Or if one had a load cell that could be hooked up to the furling line 
for field testing.


Chuck

Sent from my iPhone


On May 29, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Chuck,

I cannot pull the furling line when it is loaded. I know that
people try doing that with a winch, but from what I know it is not
what furler manufacturers recommend. I furl only when the genoa is
slacked (usually a bit down wind, during a tack, or when sheets
slacked if little wind).

In order to split this hair... Assuming that the radius of the
sail wrapped around extrusion is the same as the radius on the
drum, the force would be equal to what the sheet is pulling. I
think that one might assume that the leverage is 2:1 (the drum
radius is double of the sail radius), so the force is half. I am
not sure how safe is that assumption.

Marek

*From:*Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List

*Sent:*Monday, May 29, 2017 12:35

*To:*cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

*Cc:*Chuck Gilchrest

*Subject:*Re: Stus-List furling line

Marek,

The tensile strength of 5/16” XLE polyester double braid is
roughly 3600 lbs.  Even if one were to assume a 5:1 ratio to
develop a “safe working Load”  you’d still be looking at 720lbs. 
I can’t imagine that there would be that much pressure against the

drum..you certainly wouldn’t be able to pull the line if it were
loaded that heavily.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
Of *Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 12:22 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List furling line

Anyone calculated what should be the working load strength for the
furling line? It does not count, if you don’t ever use it for
reefing, but what if you do?

One could probably run some calculations (e.g. based on the
working load on the sheet and the ratio of the diameter of the
furling drum and the sailed furled on the extrusion), but if there
is a ready-made solution, I would be interested.

thanks

Marek

1994 C270, Legato

Ottawa, ON

*From:*Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List

*Sent:*Monday, May 29, 2017 12:14

*To:*cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

*Cc:*Chuck Gilchrest

*Subject:*Re: Stus-List furling line

+1 on Cajun Rope. Very reasonable pricing.  Also check with R&W
Rope in Massachusetts www.rwrope.com  and
search under Novabraid XLE as that is the same rope sold by Cajun
(made by Novabraid from Nova Scotia).  R&W does free US shipping
for orders over $30.  Jamestown Distributors is also currently
having a sale on the same line


https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=54238&familyName=Novabraid+XLE+Polyester+Double+Braid+per+Foot

The line used on my boat with a Furlex furler is 5/16” (8mm). 
3/8” would be too large diameter and take up too much room on the

drum and I only have a 135% jib on my boat.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
Of *Frederick G Street via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 11:54 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List furling line

http://www.cajunrope.com

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V /Oceanis/ 

Re: Stus-List furling line

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

What about a high tech line that is smaller than 5/16 diameter for the first 30 
feet or so and then larger diameter for the final amount where your hands work 
the rope.  Would that not fit better inside the furling drum?

Mike
Persistence
HAlifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

Seems about right.  And I too will unload the sail before furling or reefing so 
there isn't the full force of the sail working against the furler.
Calculations of the load of the sail transferred to the furling line would be 
difficult given sail size, wind speed, wind angle, friction in bearings in the 
furler, sail condition, and sheeting would all play into the equation.  More of 
a sailmaker question I would think...
Or if one had a load cell that could be hooked up to the furling line for field 
testing.
Chuck

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Chuck,

I cannot pull the furling line when it is loaded. I know that people try doing 
that with a winch, but from what I know it is not what furler manufacturers 
recommend. I furl only when the genoa is slacked (usually a bit down wind, 
during a tack, or when sheets slacked if little wind).

In order to split this hair... Assuming that the radius of the sail wrapped 
around extrusion is the same as the radius on the drum, the force would be 
equal to what the sheet is pulling. I think that one might assume that the 
leverage is 2:1 (the drum radius is double of the sail radius), so the force is 
half. I am not sure how safe is that assumption.

Marek

From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:35
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

Marek,
The tensile strength of 5/16” XLE polyester double braid is roughly 3600 lbs.  
Even if one were to assume a 5:1 ratio to develop a “safe working Load”  you’d 
still be looking at 720lbs.  I can’t imagine that there would be that much 
pressure against the drum..you certainly wouldn’t be able to pull the line if 
it were loaded that heavily.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 LF 35
Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

Anyone calculated what should be the working load strength for the furling 
line? It does not count, if you don’t ever use it for reefing, but what if you 
do?

One could probably run some calculations (e.g. based on the working load on the 
sheet and the ratio of the diameter of the furling drum and the sailed furled 
on the extrusion), but if there is a ready-made solution, I would be interested.

thanks

Marek
1994 C270, Legato
Ottawa, ON


From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 12:14
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

+1 on Cajun Rope.  Very reasonable pricing.  Also check with R&W Rope in 
Massachusetts www.rwrope.com and search under Novabraid 
XLE as that is the same rope sold by Cajun (made by Novabraid from Nova 
Scotia).  R&W does free US shipping for orders over $30.  Jamestown 
Distributors is also currently having a sale on the same line
https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=54238&familyName=Novabraid+XLE+Polyester+Double+Braid+per+Foot


The line used on my boat with a Furlex furler is 5/16” (8mm).  3/8” would be 
too large diameter and take up too much room on the drum and I only have a 135% 
jib on my boat.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 11:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line

http://www.cajunrope.com

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On May 29, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Are you thinking of Cajun Rope?

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 5/29/2017 11:28 AM, ahycrace--- via CnC-List wrote:
Looks line I have to replace the furling line on Liberty"s furling drum. What 
was the name of that mail order company that sells
reasonable priced quality line I just cant remember it.   ( Old timers 
syndrome.  )

Gary

"Libert

Re: Stus-List furling line

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Aww, heck, that’s not until next  week…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On May 29, 2017, at 6:37 PM, detroito91 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> You should be more concerned with what you're packing for the cup rather than 
> furling line.!!
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List  > 
> Date: 5/29/17 11:54 AM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line 
> 
> http://www.cajunrope.com 
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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Re: Stus-List furling line

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

I do. I think that is pretty standard as part of any furling install. 
All of the manufacturers seem to recommend it.


Bill Bina


On 5/29/2017 9:48 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

How many of you have a ratcheting block on your furling line?

Dennis C.


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Re: Stus-List furling line

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

My biggest concern furling a loaded genoa would be the twisting force on
the aluminum foil extrusions and especially the joints between them.  I try
to get the genoa behind (to leeward of) the main before furling.  Seems to
work quite well (no winch required).

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Seems about right.  And I too will unload the sail before furling or
> reefing so there isn't the full force of the sail working against the
> furler.
> Calculations of the load of the sail transferred to the furling line would
> be difficult given sail size, wind speed, wind angle, friction in bearings
> in the furler, sail condition, and sheeting would all play into the
> equation.  More of a sailmaker question I would think...
> Or if one had a load cell that could be hooked up to the furling line for
> field testing.
> Chuck
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 29, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> I cannot pull the furling line when it is loaded. I know that people try
> doing that with a winch, but from what I know it is not what furler
> manufacturers recommend. I furl only when the genoa is slacked (usually a
> bit down wind, during a tack, or when sheets slacked if little wind).
>
> In order to split this hair... Assuming that the radius of the sail
> wrapped around extrusion is the same as the radius on the drum, the force
> would be equal to what the sheet is pulling. I think that one might assume
> that the leverage is 2:1 (the drum radius is double of the sail radius), so
> the force is half. I am not sure how safe is that assumption.
>
> Marek
>
> *From:* Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 12:35
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List furling line
>
>
> Marek,
>
> The tensile strength of 5/16” XLE polyester double braid is roughly 3600
> lbs.  Even if one were to assume a 5:1 ratio to develop a “safe working
> Load”  you’d still be looking at 720lbs.  I can’t imagine that there would
> be that much pressure against the drum..you certainly wouldn’t be able to
> pull the line if it were loaded that heavily.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 LF 35
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Marek Dziedzic via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 12:22 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List furling line
>
>
>
> Anyone calculated what should be the working load strength for the furling
> line? It does not count, if you don’t ever use it for reefing, but what if
> you do?
>
>
>
> One could probably run some calculations (e.g. based on the working load
> on the sheet and the ratio of the diameter of the furling drum and the
> sailed furled on the extrusion), but if there is a ready-made solution, I
> would be interested.
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> Marek
>
> 1994 C270, Legato
>
> Ottawa, ON
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 12:14
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List furling line
>
>
>
> +1 on Cajun Rope.  Very reasonable pricing.  Also check with R&W Rope in
> Massachusetts www.rwrope.com and search under Novabraid XLE as that is
> the same rope sold by Cajun (made by Novabraid from Nova Scotia).  R&W does
> free US shipping for orders over $30.  Jamestown Distributors is also
> currently having a sale on the same line
>
> https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_
> product.do?pid=54238&familyName=Novabraid+XLE+Polyester+Double+Braid+per+
> Foot
>
>
>
>
>
> The line used on my boat with a Furlex furler is 5/16” (8mm).  3/8” would
> be too large diameter and take up too much room on the drum and I only have
> a 135% jib on my boat.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 35 Landfall
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Frederick
> G Street via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 11:54 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List furling line
>
>
>
> http://www.cajunrope.com
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On May 29, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are you thinking of Cajun Rope?
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
> On 5/29/2017 11:28 AM, ahycrace--- via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Looks line I have to replace the furling line on Liberty"s furling drum.
> What was the name of that mail order company that sells
> reasonable priced quality line I just cant remember it.   ( Old timers
> syndrome.  )
>
>
> Gary
>
> "Liberty"
>
> 38' MK II
>
>
>
> __

Re: Stus-List furling line

[Eric Frank via CnC-List]

I do as well.  A big help.

Eric Frank  Cat's Paw

> On May 29, 2017, at 11:35 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 02:48:48 +
> From: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
> To: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line
> Message-ID:
>   
>   
> >
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I do.
> 
> Marek
> 
> Sent from Mail > for Windows 10
> 
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List >
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 21:49
> To: CnClist>
> Cc: Dennis C.>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List furling line
> 
> How many of you have a ratcheting block on your furling line?
> 
> Dennis C.




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