Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

+1 for racing in your local club. It gets you out regularly, immerses you in a 
community of experienced sailors, and gives you access to a variety of boats.  
Before buying Grenadine I crewed on other people’s boats for years, and learned 
a lot.   Those were J/22s, Capri-22s, and a Merit 25.  Made me think about what 
I wanted in a boat: enough accommodations below to overnight on, but still a 
performance-oriented boat.  When a spinnaker-rigged 30-1 came on the market in 
Colorado, it was perfect for me.  Now I’m paying it forward, having newbie 
regular crew and various guests on my boat for racing every Wednesday night.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ditto racing for improving your skills.
> 
> I crewed for several years on club race boats.  
> 
> One weekend some friends and I decided to sail to an anchorage a 2-3 hours 
> away. My boat at the time was an Alan Gurney design O'Day 27.  The other 
> boats were a Catalina 27 and a Hunter 27, each crewed by a couple.  
> 
> I was single handing.  We all left at the same time but I arrived at the 
> anchorage about an hour before the other two boats.
> 
> My race experience simply made me faster without much extra effort.  Lesson 
> learned.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> Here are my 2 cents. 
> I didn't grow up sailing or on the water but was always drawn.
> After undergrad, I signed on as crew with a friend of a friend to sail his 
> Camper Nicolson 32 down the East Coast and out to the Bahamas. When I went 
> aboard I did not know how to sail and when I left 6 months later I still 
> didn't know how to sail, though I thought I did. (Offshore sailing on a 32' 
> boat with a wind vane will not teach you how to sail.)
> Later I moved to Seattle and volunteered at the Center for Wooden Boats in 
> trade for free sailing time. This is where I learned basics of sailing. Small 
> sloop rigged JK boats , 
> with proper sails, leaving and docking under sail, constantly changing winds 
> from all directions on Seattle's Lake Union. Other boats, airplanes, 
> kayakers, etc. etc. to deal with. Forces that make you learn.
> Got busy with grad school moved to Portland, got married, bought a US 27 with 
> my wife and then started sailing again. Had the basics down and felt like I 
> knew what I was doing.
> Dumped the US 27, bought a C 30-2.
> Then I started racing...mostly on others boats.
> Racing is taught me how to sail. I thought I knew how to sail, as others 
> think they do, but I really didn't. Racing taught me proper seamanship, 
> offshore at night with Pacific swells, currents and counter wind waves. 
> Racing taught me rights-of-way without thinking about it. Racing gives me 
> confidence in different conditions with symmetrical and asymmetrical chutes, 
> reefing, sail trim, etc, etc. Racing gets me out multiple times a week, on a 
> variety of boats, regardless of clouds in the sky, rain, high winds, or no 
> winds.
> Racing introduced me to a whole community of people, of all different 
> stripes, who love sailing. Way more than I would have met on the docks in the 
> marina. These people have become friends, on and off the water.
> My advice is to get the C 25' if it seems right, but do all you can to get 
> out racing on someone else's boat and smaller boats too. This is where you 
> will actually learn to sail and you meet an excellent group of people doing 
> so.
> You will also an excellent group of local C owners and racers, like Alan 
> and Fred in Portland. 
> 
> Best,
> Kevin
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie 16, 
> then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon in Maho 
> Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple years back, I 
> capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst knocked down the J/22 
> I was sailing several years ago on Chatfield Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed 
> a Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina, and slewed around in a 38-foot 
> catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 
> 37-kt winds crossing the Bequia Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in 
> every trough.  In my limited experience sailing for about the last decade, I 
> think every boat can teach you something about how boats handle, 
> comparatively.
> 
> My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before and 
> after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig the 
> dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from its 
> storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I 

Re: Stus-List Big Boat on my property C 33 mk1

[David Paine via CnC-List]

Hi Joe,

Sorry to hear that your project has come to an end.  I've been there on
other projects!  I have, and actively cruise, a C 33 mark 1 1975.Is
your boat, by chance, diesel powered?  If so, I could imagine a scenario
where I would be interested in acquiring your boat.

Best,

David

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Joseph Kramer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Like many dreams in life they come and then fade.
> "Benefit" was the dream come true for me. "Risk" our first boat adventure
> did result in a benefit that still lasts, which is the reality of life
> together with my wife.
> So I have this fading dream boat that is fading as fast as I am.
> The issue is I have this boat on jack stands on my property in the middle
> of Chatham county NC.
> I am seeking advice...
> This is a project boat.
> Like many dreams sometimes there are others that have that same delusional
> dream. But, not really very many people have this dream for this 33ft aging
> beauty.
> I am seeking advice on the best way as quickly as possible,..remove this
> fading classic...
> Any dreamers???
> OK how about pragmatists.
> thanks
> Joe
>
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Re: Stus-List 1972 C custom 43 for sale $25K

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

It's hard to say what repairs are needed.  It might sail and operate just
fine right now but it wouldn't be out of the possibility to spend +50k in
"improvements".  Electronics package, bottom, rudder, sails, standing
rigging, running rigging.

I've been lazy with the bookkeeping lately (kinda because I don't want to
know) but the first year we had ours we spent over 25k.  Worst part was
that the boat was in functional condition.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD





On Aug 30, 2017 9:26 PM, "Violeta M Ivanova via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Someone emailed me this listing:

http://yachts.apolloduck.us/boat.phtml?id=525771

Comments? What would the repair bill be like?

Not interested in buying the boat. Just curious. The asking price seems
low.

Violeta

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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Ditto racing for improving your skills.

I crewed for several years on club race boats.

One weekend some friends and I decided to sail to an anchorage a 2-3 hours
away. My boat at the time was an Alan Gurney design O'Day 27.  The other
boats were a Catalina 27 and a Hunter 27, each crewed by a couple.

I was single handing.  We all left at the same time but I arrived at the
anchorage about an hour before the other two boats.

My race experience simply made me faster without much extra effort.  Lesson
learned.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here are my 2 cents.
>
>- I didn't grow up sailing or on the water but was always drawn.
>- After undergrad, I signed on as crew with a friend of a friend to
>sail his Camper Nicolson 32 down the East Coast and out to the Bahamas.
>When I went aboard I did not know how to sail and when I left 6 months
>later I still didn't know how to sail, though I thought I did. (Offshore
>sailing on a 32' boat with a wind vane will not teach you how to sail.)
>- Later I moved to Seattle and volunteered at the Center for Wooden
>Boats in trade for free sailing time. This is where I learned basics of
>sailing. Small sloop rigged JK boats
>, with proper
>sails, leaving and docking under sail, constantly changing winds from all
>directions on Seattle's Lake Union. Other boats, airplanes, kayakers, etc.
>etc. to deal with. Forces that make you learn.
>- Got busy with grad school moved to Portland, got married, bought a
>US 27 with my wife and then started sailing again. Had the basics down and
>felt like I knew what I was doing.
>- Dumped the US 27, bought a C 30-2.
>- Then I started racing...mostly on others boats.
>- Racing is taught me how to sail. I thought I knew how to sail, as
>others think they do, but I really didn't. Racing taught me proper
>seamanship, offshore at night with Pacific swells, currents and counter
>wind waves. Racing taught me rights-of-way without thinking about it.
>Racing gives me confidence in different conditions with symmetrical and
>asymmetrical chutes, reefing, sail trim, etc, etc. Racing gets me out
>multiple times a week, on a variety of boats, regardless of clouds in the
>sky, rain, high winds, or no winds.
>- Racing introduced me to a whole community of people, of all
>different stripes, who love sailing. Way more than I would have met on the
>docks in the marina. These people have become friends, on and off the 
> water.
>- My advice is to get the C 25' if it seems right, but do all you
>can to get out racing on someone else's boat and smaller boats too. This is
>where you will actually learn to sail and you meet an excellent group of
>people doing so.
>
> You will also an excellent group of local C owners and racers, like Alan
> and Fred in Portland.
>
> Best,
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie
>> 16, then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon
>> in Maho Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple
>> years back, I capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst
>> knocked down the J/22 I was sailing several years ago on Chatfield
>> Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed a Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina,
>> and slewed around in a 38-foot catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I
>> roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 37-kt winds crossing the Bequia
>> Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in every trough.  In my limited
>> experience sailing for about the last decade, I think every boat can teach
>> you something about how boats handle, comparatively.
>>
>> My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before
>> and after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig
>> the dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from
>> its storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I prefer a keelboat in a slip - a
>> lot less work every time you sail it.
>>
>> That said, here’s a picture from a bowsprit-mounted GoPro of my daughter
>> and I sailing a Topaz dinghy in 25mph winds last month:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeXVMS3Z2OWdNUGs.  We
>> didn’t capsize that night but we kept a rail wet the whole time :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mark G via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech
>> dinghies, cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.
>> Things happen fast in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really
>> 

Stus-List 1972 C custom 43 for sale $25K

[Violeta M Ivanova via CnC-List]

Someone emailed me this listing:

http://yachts.apolloduck.us/boat.phtml?id=525771

Comments? What would the repair bill be like?

Not interested in buying the boat. Just curious. The asking price seems
low.

Violeta
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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Richard via CnC-List]

Cha Ching! I can hear the cash registers ringing!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> A little TLC + $65,000.00 will make her a pretty nice ride.
> 
> Ask me now I know…. ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dang, I would seriously look at that boat if I lived in a place where I 
>> could sail her.  Somebody ought to grab her up and give her a little TLC.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The boat is a bit rough BUT comes with about 20 bags of sails, some of 
>>> which have hardly (never?) been used (racing ones). Overall, it has a bunch 
>>> of good stuff on it. It was neglected by elderly owners for a few years, 
>>> but apparently has some serious results in the past.
>>>  
>>> Gary
>>> CBMM Boat Donation Volunteer
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian 
>>> Fry via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:46 AM
>>> To: cnc-list 
>>> Cc: Brian Fry 
>>> Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction
>>>  
>>> Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.
>>> This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are 
>>> available online through Flickr.
>>> http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Here are my 2 cents.

   - I didn't grow up sailing or on the water but was always drawn.
   - After undergrad, I signed on as crew with a friend of a friend to sail
   his Camper Nicolson 32 down the East Coast and out to the Bahamas. When I
   went aboard I did not know how to sail and when I left 6 months later I
   still didn't know how to sail, though I thought I did. (Offshore sailing on
   a 32' boat with a wind vane will not teach you how to sail.)
   - Later I moved to Seattle and volunteered at the Center for Wooden
   Boats in trade for free sailing time. This is where I learned basics of
   sailing. Small sloop rigged JK boats
   , with proper sails,
   leaving and docking under sail, constantly changing winds from all
   directions on Seattle's Lake Union. Other boats, airplanes, kayakers, etc.
   etc. to deal with. Forces that make you learn.
   - Got busy with grad school moved to Portland, got married, bought a US
   27 with my wife and then started sailing again. Had the basics down and
   felt like I knew what I was doing.
   - Dumped the US 27, bought a C 30-2.
   - Then I started racing...mostly on others boats.
   - Racing is taught me how to sail. I thought I knew how to sail, as
   others think they do, but I really didn't. Racing taught me proper
   seamanship, offshore at night with Pacific swells, currents and counter
   wind waves. Racing taught me rights-of-way without thinking about it.
   Racing gives me confidence in different conditions with symmetrical and
   asymmetrical chutes, reefing, sail trim, etc, etc. Racing gets me out
   multiple times a week, on a variety of boats, regardless of clouds in the
   sky, rain, high winds, or no winds.
   - Racing introduced me to a whole community of people, of all different
   stripes, who love sailing. Way more than I would have met on the docks in
   the marina. These people have become friends, on and off the water.
   - My advice is to get the C 25' if it seems right, but do all you can
   to get out racing on someone else's boat and smaller boats too. This is
   where you will actually learn to sail and you meet an excellent group of
   people doing so.

You will also an excellent group of local C owners and racers, like Alan
and Fred in Portland.

Best,
Kevin

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie
> 16, then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon
> in Maho Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple
> years back, I capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst
> knocked down the J/22 I was sailing several years ago on Chatfield
> Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed a Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina,
> and slewed around in a 38-foot catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I
> roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 37-kt winds crossing the Bequia
> Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in every trough.  In my limited
> experience sailing for about the last decade, I think every boat can teach
> you something about how boats handle, comparatively.
>
> My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before
> and after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig
> the dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from
> its storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I prefer a keelboat in a slip - a
> lot less work every time you sail it.
>
> That said, here’s a picture from a bowsprit-mounted GoPro of my daughter
> and I sailing a Topaz dinghy in 25mph winds last month:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeXVMS3Z2OWdNUGs.  We didn’t
> capsize that night but we kept a rail wet the whole time :)
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mark G via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech dinghies,
> cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.  Things happen
> fast in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really learn to
> balance the boat.  But they require a certain level of fitness and
> athleticism - particularly when you flip them and you have to right them in
> the water and climb back in.  I then moved to 14 foot FJ's, a little more
> performance oriented but basically more of the same.  Then to a J24, which
> is a completely different experience: you're in a cockpit, you have a
> foredeck, etc.  Honestly, if I hadn't graduated to the J24, I might have
> stopped sailing.  Little bit of time in an Etchells 22 around that time as
> well.  From there I knew I didn't want to race so I moved into more
> cruising-oriented lessons.  Boats were a 22 foot Soling, then a Pearson 26,
> an Albin 28, a J29, a Pearson 31, a Pearson 303 and a Cal 33.  So I've
> taken starter lessons in 

Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

I' thinking aboit going agter this one


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/30/17  7:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List C 38 Auction 
She’s only 2 ft wider and 1 ft more draft that your current boat. Why couldn’t 
you sail her there? From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Randy Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction Dang, I would seriously look at that boat 
if I lived in a place where I could sail her.  Somebody ought to grab her up 
and give her a little TLC. Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC 30-1 #7Ken 
Caryl, CO On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote: The boat is a bit rough BUT comes with about 20 
bags of sails, some of which have hardly (never?) been used (racing ones). 
Overall, it has a bunch of good stuff on it. It was neglected by elderly owners 
for a few years, but apparently has some serious results in the past. GaryCBMM 
Boat Donation Volunteer From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On Behalf Of Brian Fry via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:46 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Brian Fry 
Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on 
Sept 2 includes a C 38.This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the 
boat, but pics are available online through 
Flickr.http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/___

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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

She's only 2 ft wider and 1 ft more draft that your current boat. Why
couldn't you sail her there?

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

 

Dang, I would seriously look at that boat if I lived in a place where I
could sail her.  Somebody ought to grab her up and give her a little TLC.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

 

On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List
 > wrote:

 

The boat is a bit rough BUT comes with about 20 bags of sails, some of which
have hardly (never?) been used (racing ones). Overall, it has a bunch of
good stuff on it. It was neglected by elderly owners for a few years, but
apparently has some serious results in the past.

 

Gary

CBMM Boat Donation Volunteer

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:46 AM
To: cnc-list  >
Cc: Brian Fry  >
Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction

 

Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.

This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are
available online through Flickr.

http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/

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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie 16, 
then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon in Maho 
Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple years back, I 
capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst knocked down the J/22 I 
was sailing several years ago on Chatfield Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed a 
Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina, and slewed around in a 38-foot 
catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 
37-kt winds crossing the Bequia Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in 
every trough.  In my limited experience sailing for about the last decade, I 
think every boat can teach you something about how boats handle, comparatively.

My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before and 
after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig the 
dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from its 
storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I prefer a keelboat in a slip - a lot less 
work every time you sail it.

That said, here’s a picture from a bowsprit-mounted GoPro of my daughter and I 
sailing a Topaz dinghy in 25mph winds last month: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeXVMS3Z2OWdNUGs.  We didn’t 
capsize that night but we kept a rail wet the whole time :)

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mark G via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech dinghies, 
> cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.  Things happen 
> fast in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really learn to balance 
> the boat.  But they require a certain level of fitness and athleticism - 
> particularly when you flip them and you have to right them in the water and 
> climb back in.  I then moved to 14 foot FJ's, a little more performance 
> oriented but basically more of the same.  Then to a J24, which is a 
> completely different experience: you're in a cockpit, you have a foredeck, 
> etc.  Honestly, if I hadn't graduated to the J24, I might have stopped 
> sailing.  Little bit of time in an Etchells 22 around that time as well.  
> From there I knew I didn't want to race so I moved into more 
> cruising-oriented lessons.  Boats were a 22 foot Soling, then a Pearson 26, 
> an Albin 28, a J29, a Pearson 31, a Pearson 303 and a Cal 33.  So I've taken 
> starter lessons in both a 12 footer and a 22 footer.  For an adult, I think 
> you're much better off starting in a 22 foot keelboat than a 12 foot dinghy.
> My first and only boat has been the C 25 Mk1.  I initially looked at 
> everything made in any kind of quantity between 21 feet and 28 feet.  I 
> settled on the 24-26 foot size.  I wanted something you could overnight in, 
> without the complexity of a diesel.  I continued to look hard at everything 
> made in any kind of quantity in that size range.  I loved boat donation 
> auctions - a chance to see a lot of boats at once without an owner or a 
> broker breathing down your neck.  And the best way to identify a 
> well-maintained boat is to see some poor ones.  After seeing my first C 25, 
> I settled on that make / model.  Looked at a few examples, then bought one.  
> Inexpensive, good condition, my only regret being I didn't buy a boat with 
> more upgrades.  I've since converted to jiffy reefing, put on a furler, a 
> boom vang, a stern rail, an adjustable traveler, a backstay adjuster.  This 
> stuff in total far exceeds what I paid for the boat.
> If you sail in any kind of wind, a newbie sailor needs to know how to depower 
> the boat and needs the gadgets on the boat that allow him to do so.  Newbie 
> sailors tend to sail with friends and family who know nothing about sailing 
> and won't be much help when things get exciting.  If the newbie sailor can't 
> depower the boat from the cockpit with minimal assistance from "crew" 
> (guests), they'll be terrorized and probably won't come back.
> Mark 
> C 25
> Dartmouth, MA
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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

Wow! Seems like a few listers are volunteering at CBMM's auction. It would be 
great to meet up! The weather doesn't look that great but I'm committed!

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Gary Nylander via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

The boat is a bit rough BUT comes with about 20 bags of sails, some of which 
have hardly (never?) been used (racing ones). Overall, it has a bunch of good 
stuff on it. It was neglected by elderly owners for a few years, but apparently 
has some serious results in the past.

Gary
CBMM Boat Donation Volunteer

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:46 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Brian Fry 
Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction

Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.
This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are available 
online through Flickr.
http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/
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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I'm a Garhauer fan, too. Every piece of hardware on the 38 is Garhauer
except the OEN backstay adjuster and the Harken rachet block on the furling
line. On my 25, the OEM traveler is still there, but everything else is
Garhauer.

 

I'm not so much afraid Garhauer will raise prices. I worry that all our good
comments will alert more boaters to high quality, super customer service,
and low prices and they won't be able to handle the resulting value when
folks switch away from Harken and Lewmar.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:11 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

 

+1 on Garhauer. 

I wish we had more companies like that. I am only afraid that if we give
them all the kudos, they would raise the prices.

 

Marek 

 

 

 Original message 

From: John Irvin via CnC-List  > 

Date: 8/30/17 10:50 (GMT-05:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: John Irvin  > 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars 

 

Add me to the last st of very satisfied customers - vang, cars on a C
27-III.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List
 wrote:

It was posted a while ago, that Garhauer Marine no longer sells ball bearing
jib cars but only sold cars with plastic (Delrin) bearings.  I've found this
not to be completely correct.  If you really want ball bearings, you can
talk to Guido and he will make them for you (same price).  They prefer to
sell the plastic ones because many customers have had trouble installing or
removing the cars and losing bearings (they don't float).  He said there's
not a significant performance difference between ball bearing and plastic,
but conceded that the ball bearings were slightly better.  I ordered the
ball bearing version and am very happy with them.  If your are careful
installing them, they are easy to install and work very well.  Garhauer
makes bullet proof stuff at a very reasonable price.  I have no affiliation
with Garhauer Marine or any of their employees.  I'm just a happy customer
that has purchased many products from them. 

 

Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~

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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

A little TLC + $65,000.00 will make her a pretty nice ride.

Ask me now I know…. ;-)

Cheers,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dang, I would seriously look at that boat if I lived in a place where I could 
> sail her.  Somebody ought to grab her up and give her a little TLC.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> The boat is a bit rough BUT comes with about 20 bags of sails, some of which 
>> have hardly (never?) been used (racing ones). Overall, it has a bunch of 
>> good stuff on it. It was neglected by elderly owners for a few years, but 
>> apparently has some serious results in the past.
>>  
>> Gary
>> CBMM Boat Donation Volunteer
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Brian Fry via CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:46 AM
>> To: cnc-list >
>> Cc: Brian Fry >
>> Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction
>>  
>> Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.
>> This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are 
>> available online through Flickr.
>> http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/ 
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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

+1.  They did me right on a rigid vang last year.  Good addition to my boat.  
I’ll go back to them for future such needs.

Randy

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:46 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Add another satisfied Customer of Garhauer. Put one of their travelers on 
> Pegasus and loved it. Plus it looked great. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
> Date: 8/30/17 07:09 (GMT-08:00)
> To: C List 
> Cc: Gary Russell 
> Subject: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars
> 
> It was posted a while ago, that Garhauer Marine no longer sells ball bearing 
> jib cars but only sold cars with plastic (Delrin) bearings.  I've found this 
> not to be completely correct.  If you really want ball bearings, you can talk 
> to Guido and he will make them for you (same price).  They prefer to sell the 
> plastic ones because many customers have had trouble installing or removing 
> the cars and losing bearings (they don't float).  He said there's not a 
> significant performance difference between ball bearing and plastic, but 
> conceded that the ball bearings were slightly better.  I ordered the ball 
> bearing version and am very happy with them.  If your are careful installing 
> them, they are easy to install and work very well.  Garhauer makes bullet 
> proof stuff at a very reasonable price.  I have no affiliation with Garhauer 
> Marine or any of their employees.  I'm just a happy customer that has 
> purchased many products from them.
> 
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> ~~~_/)~~
> 
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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Dang, I would seriously look at that boat if I lived in a place where I could 
sail her.  Somebody ought to grab her up and give her a little TLC.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The boat is a bit rough BUT comes with about 20 bags of sails, some of which 
> have hardly (never?) been used (racing ones). Overall, it has a bunch of good 
> stuff on it. It was neglected by elderly owners for a few years, but 
> apparently has some serious results in the past.
>  
> Gary
> CBMM Boat Donation Volunteer
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:46 AM
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Brian Fry 
> Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction
>  
> Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.
> This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are 
> available online through Flickr.
> http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/ 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Mark G via CnC-List]

I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech dinghies, 
cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.  Things happen fast 
in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really learn to balance the 
boat.  But they require a certain level of fitness and athleticism - 
particularly when you flip them and you have to right them in the water and 
climb back in.  I then moved to 14 foot FJ's, a little more performance 
oriented but basically more of the same.  Then to a J24, which is a completely 
different experience: you're in a cockpit, you have a foredeck, etc.  Honestly, 
if I hadn't graduated to the J24, I might have stopped sailing.  Little bit of 
time in an Etchells 22 around that time as well.  From there I knew I didn't 
want to race so I moved into more cruising-oriented lessons.  Boats were a 22 
foot Soling, then a Pearson 26, an Albin 28, a J29, a Pearson 31, a Pearson 303 
and a Cal 33.  So I've taken starter lessons in both a 12 footer and a 22 
footer.  For an adult, I think you're much better off starting in a 22 foot 
keelboat than a 12 foot dinghy.

My first and only boat has been the C 25 Mk1.  I initially looked at 
everything made in any kind of quantity between 21 feet and 28 feet.  I settled 
on the 24-26 foot size.  I wanted something you could overnight in, without the 
complexity of a diesel.  I continued to look hard at everything made in any 
kind of quantity in that size range.  I loved boat donation auctions - a chance 
to see a lot of boats at once without an owner or a broker breathing down your 
neck.  And the best way to identify a well-maintained boat is to see some poor 
ones.  After seeing my first C 25, I settled on that make / model.  Looked at 
a few examples, then bought one.  Inexpensive, good condition, my only regret 
being I didn't buy a boat with more upgrades.  I've since converted to jiffy 
reefing, put on a furler, a boom vang, a stern rail, an adjustable traveler, a 
backstay adjuster.  This stuff in total far exceeds what I paid for the boat.

If you sail in any kind of wind, a newbie sailor needs to know how to depower 
the boat and needs the gadgets on the boat that allow him to do so.  Newbie 
sailors tend to sail with friends and family who know nothing about sailing and 
won't be much help when things get exciting.  If the newbie sailor can't 
depower the boat from the cockpit with minimal assistance from "crew" (guests), 
they'll be terrorized and probably won't come back.

Mark 
C 25
Dartmouth, MA___

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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Add another satisfied Customer of Garhauer. Put one of their travelers on 
Pegasus and loved it. Plus it looked great. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 
Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/30/17  07:09  (GMT-08:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Gary Russell  Subject: 
Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars 
It was posted a while ago, that Garhauer Marine no longer sells ball bearing 
jib cars but only sold cars with plastic (Delrin) bearings.  I've found this 
not to be completely correct.  If you really want ball bearings, you can talk 
to Guido and he will make them for you (same price).  They prefer to sell the 
plastic ones because many customers have had trouble installing or removing the 
cars and losing bearings (they don't float).  He said there's not a significant 
performance difference between ball bearing and plastic, but conceded that the 
ball bearings were slightly better.  I ordered the ball bearing version and am 
very happy with them.  If your are careful installing them, they are easy to 
install and work very well.  Garhauer makes bullet proof stuff at a very 
reasonable price.  I have no affiliation with Garhauer Marine or any of their 
employees.  I'm just a happy customer that has purchased many products from 
them.
GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C 37+East Greenwich, RI, USA~~~_/)~~



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Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25

[Violeta M Ivanova via CnC-List]

Are we allowed to like boats other than C on this list? :)

The Star is a blast.

Violeta

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I love a Lightning or a Thistle, but can't take the pain any more.
> Maybe a Flying Scot.  They have that nice wheelchair ramp to help get up
> on the boat.  And they're all the same; only one builder.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Marek Dziedzic 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25
>
> Each year mid-August our Club organises a race in Bics for adults. It is
> fun, even watching this.
>
> Marek
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Bring it on! We have over 100 boats up for auction, including some dinghies
for those who want to learn to sail.. The 38 is the only C this year, but
there is a very nice J-24 which will probably go too cheap. I bought a Grady
White 20 a couple of years ago for less than the value of the trailer.

 

Gary

30-1

St. Michaels

Volunteer at Boat Auction Flea Market

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

 

I might bring a few hundred and see if I am the only bidder on something. 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

C 35 MK I

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Rouhi via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:33 PM
To: Brian Fry via CnC-List  >
Cc: Aaron Rouhi  >; Brian Fry  >
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

 

I go this auction every year... The boats are generally in great shape. Some
boats go unbelievably cheap... 

 

Cheers,

Aaron R.

Admiral Maggie,

1979 C 30 MK1 #540

Annapolis, MD

  _  

From: CnC-List  > on behalf of Brian Fry via CnC-List
 >
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:45 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Brian Fry
Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction 

 

Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38. 

This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are
available online through Flickr.

http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/

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Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I love a Lightning or a Thistle, but can't take the pain any more.Maybe a 
Flying Scot.  They have that nice wheelchair ramp to help get up on the boat.  
And they're all the same; only one builder.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 To: C List  
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25
   
 Each year mid-August our Club organises a race in Bics for adults. It is fun, 
even watching this.
Marek 

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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The boat is a bit rough BUT comes with about 20 bags of sails, some of which 
have hardly (never?) been used (racing ones). Overall, it has a bunch of good 
stuff on it. It was neglected by elderly owners for a few years, but apparently 
has some serious results in the past.

 

Gary

CBMM Boat Donation Volunteer

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fry 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:46 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Brian Fry 
Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction

 

Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.

This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are available 
online through Flickr.

http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/

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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

+1 on Garhauer.
I wish we had more companies like that. I am only afraid that if we give them 
all the kudos, they would raise the prices.

Marek


 Original message 
From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
Date: 8/30/17 10:50 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Irvin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

Add me to the last st of very satisfied customers - vang, cars on a C 27-III.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
> wrote:

It was posted a while ago, that Garhauer Marine no longer sells ball bearing 
jib cars but only sold cars with plastic (Delrin) bearings.  I've found this 
not to be completely correct.  If you really want ball bearings, you can talk 
to Guido and he will make them for you (same price).  They prefer to sell the 
plastic ones because many customers have had trouble installing or removing the 
cars and losing bearings (they don't float).  He said there's not a significant 
performance difference between ball bearing and plastic, but conceded that the 
ball bearings were slightly better.  I ordered the ball bearing version and am 
very happy with them.  If your are careful installing them, they are easy to 
install and work very well.  Garhauer makes bullet proof stuff at a very 
reasonable price.  I have no affiliation with Garhauer Marine or any of their 
employees.  I'm just a happy customer that has purchased many products from 
them.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~

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Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Each year mid-August our Club organises a race in Bics for adults. It is fun, 
even watching this.

Marek

 Original message 
From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Date: 8/30/17 12:46 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25

Well okay, maybe I should requalified this. I have to agree with Ron on the 
thistle thing. I had a thistle once in a previous life, my brother and I and 
two girls were out on it, got three miles out in the lake, got a puff - my 
brother was driving, had the main cleated - long story short we went over, 
spent 45 minutes thinking that the boat was going to sink. It never did, but it 
was enough to freak him and this other girl out. Oddly enough, the boat had 
come with a little bit of polyurethane foam strapped underneath the brace by 
the Mast. But it was all rotting, and I had taken it out, and not replaced it 
yet . Obviously big mistake.
After that, I decided I wanted a boat that would not flip over. So I got a 
Star. Then after the second year, got an accidental jibe, couldn't get the 
running back quick enough, watched the masked curl forward... After that, I 
decided I didn't want a boat with running backs. Got a Soling. Wonderful boat. 
Easy, fun, fast.

Ken Read came to our club this spring and gave a wonderful talk. He kind of 
lambasted our sailing school for having Optis  and flying juniors, 470's. . . 
He said his daughter was in a sailing school, an Opti flipped over and sink 
underneath her. Freaked her out so bad that she still doesn't sail to this day. 
Obviously, he's very sad about that. I think he liked the Bics for the little 
kids, and thought that we should actually be getting into foiling just so that 
it would excite the older kids.

 My point was just that to actually learn to sail is best on a small boat. 
Preferably one that you can flip back over and drain out. Then you can learn 
how to sail a bigger boat and not get freaked out by things happening, as the 
forces increase exponentially.  Doesn't take much of a bad experience to turn 
somebody completely off of sailing.

Regards,

Bill
C 39
 Erie


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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I tried windsurfing and I failed miserably. I find that the instincts work 
completely differently.

Interestingly, a dinghy and a 60' boat(and anything in between), in my mind, 
behave in a similar fashion, with some exceptions.

Marek


 Original message 
From: David Kaseler via CnC-List 
Date: 8/30/17 13:48 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Kaseler 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

I agree with Marek except for his comments about windsurfing. I have only tried 
windsurfing once and failed but if I were to start this sailing thing over 
again I would start in a dinghy, then spend some time on a windsurfer to help 
me learn to steer with my sails and angle of heal, so to learn to minimize the 
use of the dreaded break. Some call this the rudder. The less you use your 
rudder the faster you go. This all translates to big boats but is much easier 
to feel in a dinghy. My wife, the sailing coach, has her high school team 
members sail in practice with the rudder removed. With some practice, they do 
fine.
Dave.
1975 C 33
SLY

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Franklin Schenk via CnC-List 
> wrote:

I am not recommending learning on a sailboard but it teaches you how to adjust 
a sail.  Only on a sailboard do you feel the pressure of the wind on a sail and 
how you have to adjust for the direction of the wind.  Like I said before, I 
have sailed large and small and enjoyed them all.  What a thrill it would be to 
steer a large ship.

Frank


On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:23 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, 
but one skill does not translate to the other.

Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing.

Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how to 
dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the proper 
technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) boat.

Marek

 Original message 
From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
>
Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Irvin >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.

sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
or J24's.

Neil
Foxfire C 32
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I might bring a few hundred and see if I am the only bidder on something.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouhi 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:33 PM
To: Brian Fry via CnC-List 
Cc: Aaron Rouhi ; Brian Fry 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

I go this auction every year... The boats are generally in great shape. Some 
boats go unbelievably cheap...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD

From: CnC-List 
> on behalf 
of Brian Fry via CnC-List >
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:45 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Brian Fry
Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction

Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.
This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are available 
online through Flickr.
http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

I agree with Marek except for his comments about windsurfing. I have only tried 
windsurfing once and failed but if I were to start this sailing thing over 
again I would start in a dinghy, then spend some time on a windsurfer to help 
me learn to steer with my sails and angle of heal, so to learn to minimize the 
use of the dreaded break. Some call this the rudder. The less you use your 
rudder the faster you go. This all translates to big boats but is much easier 
to feel in a dinghy. My wife, the sailing coach, has her high school team 
members sail in practice with the rudder removed. With some practice, they do 
fine.
Dave.
1975 C 33
SLY

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Franklin Schenk via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am not recommending learning on a sailboard but it teaches you how to 
> adjust a sail.  Only on a sailboard do you feel the pressure of the wind on a 
> sail and how you have to adjust for the direction of the wind.  Like I said 
> before, I have sailed large and small and enjoyed them all.  What a thrill it 
> would be to steer a large ship.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:23 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
> different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on 
> snow, but one skill does not translate to the other. 
> 
> Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
> don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
> much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing. 
> 
> Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how 
> to dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the 
> proper technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) 
> boat. 
> 
> Marek 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
> Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: John Irvin 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
> 
> Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.
> 
> sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
> or J24's.
>> 
>> Neil
>> Foxfire C 32
>> Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> Neil Andersen
>> 20691 Jamieson Rd
>> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>>   
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Re: Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

I go this auction every year... The boats are generally in great shape. Some 
boats go unbelievably cheap...

Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Brian Fry via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:45 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Brian Fry
Subject: Stus-List C 38 Auction

Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.
This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are available 
online through Flickr.
http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/
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Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'm with Kenny. I hate the Opti and am a big fan of the Bic. But for an
adult learning to sail, I like the C 25; it's a nice, well-mannered and
responsive boat that will take care of you if you get caught out in a blow.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, coltrek via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well okay, maybe I should requalified this. I have to agree with Ron on
> the thistle thing. I had a thistle once in a previous life, my brother and
> I and two girls were out on it, got three miles out in the lake, got a puff
> - my brother was driving, had the main cleated - long story short we went
> over, spent 45 minutes thinking that the boat was going to sink. It never
> did, but it was enough to freak him and this other girl out. Oddly enough,
> the boat had come with a little bit of polyurethane foam strapped
> underneath the brace by the Mast. But it was all rotting, and I had taken
> it out, and not replaced it yet . Obviously big mistake.
> After that, I decided I wanted a boat that would not flip over. So I got a
> Star. Then after the second year, got an accidental jibe, couldn't get the
> running back quick enough, watched the masked curl forward... After that, I
> decided I didn't want a boat with running backs. Got a Soling. Wonderful
> boat. Easy, fun, fast.
>
> Ken Read came to our club this spring and gave a wonderful talk. He kind
> of lambasted our sailing school for having Optis  and flying juniors,
> 470's. . . He said his daughter was in a sailing school, an Opti flipped
> over and sink underneath her. Freaked her out so bad that she still doesn't
> sail to this day. Obviously, he's very sad about that. I think he liked the
> Bics for the little kids, and thought that we should actually be getting
> into foiling just so that it would excite the older kids.
>
>  My point was just that to actually learn to sail is best on a small boat.
> Preferably one that you can flip back over and drain out. Then you can
> learn how to sail a bigger boat and not get freaked out by things
> happening, as the forces increase exponentially.  Doesn't take much of a
> bad experience to turn somebody completely off of sailing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
> C 39
>  Erie
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" 
> Date: 8/29/17 18:05 (GMT-07:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25
>
> I'm with Chuck on this.  A couple on the lake bought a Thistle (17ft open
> craft; very responsive and great in light air)  for their first boat and on
> the second time out, they dumped it.  Woman would never get back in that or
> any other boat.
> We learned in a Venture 21, a very cheap boat, but decent in light air and
> easy on/off the trailer.  Pretty forgiving.
> Then got a San Juan 24 and realized what a difference a good boat makes in
> boat feedback, docking etc.
> Note the sailing schools use J24s, Colgate 26s and Solings (same size
> range & style).
> Get the 25, it's a great size to get things figured out with.
> Then get the 30 since it's fantastic!
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25
>
> For what it is worth, As a first boat I owned a 13' FJ dinghy that taught
> me nothing about sailing a 4000lb keelboat.  Both that boat and my Laser
> made me realize that I like to sail and like to swim, just not at the same
> time.
> Our 25mk1 allowed us overnight accommodations for a young family and
> served as a stable and fun performing boat which we owned for 14 years
> before trading up to our current Landfall 35.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Padanaram, MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 4:46 PM, coltrek via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> If you REALLY want to learn how to sail  , buy a 13 - 14 footer and sail
> for a year or two. You will learn so much quicker on a small boat. Sorry if
> I'm raining on your parade!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> BillColeman
> C 39
>
>
>
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Stus-List Big Boat on my property C 33 mk1

[Joseph Kramer via CnC-List]

Like many dreams in life they come and then fade.
"Benefit" was the dream come true for me. "Risk" our first boat adventure
did result in a benefit that still lasts, which is the reality of life
together with my wife.
So I have this fading dream boat that is fading as fast as I am.
The issue is I have this boat on jack stands on my property in the middle
of Chatham county NC.
I am seeking advice...
This is a project boat.
Like many dreams sometimes there are others that have that same delusional
dream. But, not really very many people have this dream for this 33ft aging
beauty.
I am seeking advice on the best way as quickly as possible,..remove this
fading classic...
Any dreamers???
OK how about pragmatists.
thanks
Joe
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Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Well okay, maybe I should requalified this. I have to agree with Ron on the 
thistle thing. I had a thistle once in a previous life, my brother and I and 
two girls were out on it, got three miles out in the lake, got a puff - my 
brother was driving, had the main cleated - long story short we went over, 
spent 45 minutes thinking that the boat was going to sink. It never did, but it 
was enough to freak him and this other girl out. Oddly enough, the boat had 
come with a little bit of polyurethane foam strapped underneath the brace by 
the Mast. But it was all rotting, and I had taken it out, and not replaced it 
yet . Obviously big mistake.After that, I decided I wanted a boat that would 
not flip over. So I got a Star. Then after the second year, got an accidental 
jibe, couldn't get the running back quick enough, watched the masked curl 
forward... After that, I decided I didn't want a boat with running backs. Got a 
Soling. Wonderful boat. Easy, fun, fast. 
Ken Read came to our club this spring and gave a wonderful talk. He kind of 
lambasted our sailing school for having Optis  and flying juniors, 470's. . . 
He said his daughter was in a sailing school, an Opti flipped over and sink 
underneath her. Freaked her out so bad that she still doesn't sail to this day. 
Obviously, he's very sad about that. I think he liked the Bics for the little 
kids, and thought that we should actually be getting into foiling just so that 
it would excite the older kids.
 My point was just that to actually learn to sail is best on a small boat. 
Preferably one that you can flip back over and drain out. Then you can learn 
how to sail a bigger boat and not get freaked out by things happening, as the 
forces increase exponentially.  Doesn't take much of a bad experience to turn 
somebody completely off of sailing.
Regards,
BillC 39 Erie

 Original message 
From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List"  
Date: 8/29/17  18:05  (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25 

I'm with Chuck on this.  A couple on the lake bought a Thistle (17ft open 
craft; very responsive and great in light air)  for their first boat and on the 
second time out, they dumped it.  Woman would never get back in that or any 
other boat.We learned in a Venture 21, a very cheap boat, but decent in light 
air and easy on/off the trailer.  Pretty forgiving.Then got a San Juan 24 and 
realized what a difference a good boat makes in boat feedback, docking etc.Note 
the sailing schools use J24s, Colgate 26s and Solings (same size range & 
style).Get the 25, it's a great size to get things figured out with.Then get 
the 30 since it's fantastic!RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


   From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25
   
For what it is worth, As a first boat I owned a 13' FJ dinghy that taught me 
nothing about sailing a 4000lb keelboat.  Both that boat and my Laser made me 
realize that I like to sail and like to swim, just not at the same time.Our 
25mk1 allowed us overnight accommodations for a young family and served as a 
stable and fun performing boat which we owned for 14 years before trading up to 
our current Landfall 35.Chuck Gilchrest Padanaram, MA

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2017, at 4:46 PM, coltrek via CnC-List  wrote:

If you REALLY want to learn how to sail  , buy a 13 - 14 footer and sail for a 
year or two. You will learn so much quicker on a small boat. Sorry if I'm 
raining on your parade!


Regards,
BillColemanC 39

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Re: Stus-List Gas/Water key

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

https://boatersoutlet.com/index.php?_route_=fuel-tanks-accessories/deck-plate-key-adjustable

Dennis C.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Liz Mather via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Many thanks...never thought of Walmart.
> I did pick up the one suggested by Fred, perfect for gas and pump out but
> my water is a 'half moon' slot so it didn't work for it.
> The float...thank youjust doing it now ⛵️⚓️
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you looked at your local Walmart?
> >
> > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sea-Dog-Deck-Fill-Key-Nylon/44697222
> >
> > My local store also offers a Perko metal key and the Sea Dog stainless
> key
> > that Fred recommended. You'd be surprised how many boaters have lost the
> key
> > when they come into my marina for a pumpout, and I usually send them to
> the
> > local Walmart for a replacement.
> >
> > Be sure to put a key float on the replacement wherever you buy it. It may
> > save needing to buy another.
> >
> > I like the adjustable pin wrench that Dennis recommended. It will be very
> > useful if you need to maintain Barient winches. But it is on the
> expensive
> > side.
> >
> > Rick Brass
> > Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
> > la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
> > Washington, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Liz
> > Mather via CnC-List
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:10 AM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Liz Mather 
> > Subject: Stus-List Gas/Water key
> >
> > Hello everyoneI have lost my original key for water and gas for my
> C
> > 35-1ideas of where I might find a replacement.
> >
> > Many Thanks!
> >
> > Mistral V
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Fwd: 37+ heat

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

HI Len,

I will take some new photos of where the outlets are located when I'm next
out at the boat but these are the photos I have on hand.  See below.

Ken H.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Ken Heaton 
Date: 29 August 2017 at 17:39
Subject: Fwd: Stus-List 37+ heat
To: Josh Muckley 


Hi Josh,

A/C ducts would have to be significantly larger in dia than the heater
ducts need to be due to the smaller temperature differential for A/C so I
don't know if this will help you much.  The output for my Espar is only
about 3" in dia at the heater and quickly steps down in size as it branches
off at the different outlets.

I have photos of some of the duct runs.  Scroll down:

Espar in lazarette on starboard side starts with one large duct (no photo)
and runs to compartment under aft berth aft of fuel tank where it forks
twice: https://goo.gl/photos/Dp5q9gvBPvrkvE2G9 (aft is to the left in the
photo)

same place, aft is up in this photo: https://goo.gl/photos/c3MrqpeAFWpusPbd7

with one branch (not show) going to port up through the lockers to port and
through the wall at shoulder height into the shower stall (no photo, sorry)

and the other branch to an outlet in the forward face of the aft berth (no
photo, sorry)

The starboard branch then runs outboard of ice box, stove, and water
heater: https://goo.gl/photos/kuKi3gEtLjiJ5U2aA

to locker behind cushion in starboard settee where it divides again:
https://goo.gl/photos/3vjBewqxafJJoyYAA

with one branch to an outlet under the settee https://goo.gl/photos/
qemEpLxfYM9YUxXS6

and the other continuing forward under starboard settee:
https://goo.gl/photos/s2Ed7iYxK1bZrBqN6

under starboard settee: https://goo.gl/photos/7U7Ust2FgYpKZcno8

to forward cabin outlet.

Ken H.
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Re: Stus-List Gas/Water key

[Liz Mather via CnC-List]

Many thanks...never thought of Walmart. 
I did pick up the one suggested by Fred, perfect for gas and pump out but my 
water is a 'half moon' slot so it didn't work for it. 
The float...thank youjust doing it now ⛵️⚓️

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you looked at your local Walmart?
> 
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sea-Dog-Deck-Fill-Key-Nylon/44697222
> 
> My local store also offers a Perko metal key and the Sea Dog stainless key
> that Fred recommended. You'd be surprised how many boaters have lost the key
> when they come into my marina for a pumpout, and I usually send them to the
> local Walmart for a replacement.
> 
> Be sure to put a key float on the replacement wherever you buy it. It may
> save needing to buy another.
> 
> I like the adjustable pin wrench that Dennis recommended. It will be very
> useful if you need to maintain Barient winches. But it is on the expensive
> side.
> 
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
> la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
> Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Liz
> Mather via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:10 AM
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> Cc: Liz Mather 
> Subject: Stus-List Gas/Water key
> 
> Hello everyoneI have lost my original key for water and gas for my C
> 35-1ideas of where I might find a replacement. 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

I am not recommending learning on a sailboard but it teaches you how to adjust 
a sail.  Only on a sailboard do you feel the pressure of the wind on a sail and 
how you have to adjust for the direction of the wind.  Like I said before, I 
have sailed large and small and enjoyed them all.  What a thrill it would be to 
steer a large ship.
Frank 

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:23 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

  Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, 
but one skill does not translate to the other. 
Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing. 
Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how to 
dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the proper 
technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) boat. 
Marek 
 Original message From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Irvin  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat 
Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.

sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
or J24's.

NeilFoxfire C 32Rock Hall, MD
Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Violeta M Ivanova via CnC-List]

I learned to sail on dinghies more years ago than I care to admit. I still
sail dinghies, though my preference is now to roomy boats like the 420; not
too motivated to sail a Laser these days. Dinghies (1) are fun, (2) keep my
basic sailing skills alive, and (3) keep me humble. No matter how many big
boats I skipper now, a dinghy can still get me in the water pretty quickly.

Dinghy sailors make the best helmsmen for yachts. Yeah, it may be a
40-footer or a 60-footer or whatever, and the seas can build big offshore,
but that primal feel of how a boat moves on the water driven by the wind
still works. I developed that feel on little tipsy things on the Charles
River in Boston, and it works in the middle of the Atlantic, too.

I've seen a fair number of big-ego big-boaters who steer a sailing yacht
like a car. That or punch in the auto pilot and never bother to trim the
sails properly to balance the boat. It drives me crazy.

This being said, dinghies may be unrealistic choice, if one starts sailing
late in life or has limited agility for other reasons. Small keelboats
(maybe with an outboard?) could be a good choice in this case. From the C
family, I have only sailed a 1970s C 43 so far. One of my favorite boats
ever - she sails like a dream! - but she is not a beginner's boat.

In any case, it is never too late to fall in love with sailing! :-)

Violeta



On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Kurt Heckert via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Good morning, I teach sailing for an ASA school in Atlanta, we use the
> Capri 22 as our teaching platform because it is small enough to get a real
> feel for the boat, such as weather helm but large enough to learn all of
> the skills you need for bigger boats. When our students move up to larger
> boats the biggest thing they need to learn is the difference in power and
> mass and the care and feeding of the diesel.
>
> Kurt Heckert
> Heart & Soul
> C 35 mkII
> Atlanta GA
>
> 
> On Wed, 8/30/17, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
>  To: "C List" 
>  Cc: "Marek Dziedzic" 
>  Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 6:22 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool
>  for sailing.  Totally different technique. It is like
>  snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, but one
>  skill does not translate to the other.
>
>
>
>  Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some
>  older people  (and I don't mean old) may find them
>  uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn much easier
>  the basic techniques of sail trimming and general
>  sailing.
>
>
>
>  Of course, this would not help with big boat handling.
>  You need to learn how to dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop,
>  or what a prop walk is. Even the proper technique of
>  hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?)
>  boat.
>
>
>
>  Marek
>
>
>
>
>   Original message 
>  From: John Irvin via CnC-List
>  
>  Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Cc: John Irvin 
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
>
>
>
>
>
>  Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely
>  for mall boat sailing.
>
>
>
>  sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in
>  Catalina/Capri 21's or J24's.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Neil
>  Foxfire C 32
>  Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
>
>  Neil Andersen
>
>  20691 Jamieson Rd
>
>  Rock Hall, MD 21661
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Add me to the last st of very satisfied customers - vang, cars on a C 27-III.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
> wrote:

It was posted a while ago, that Garhauer Marine no longer sells ball bearing 
jib cars but only sold cars with plastic (Delrin) bearings.  I've found this 
not to be completely correct.  If you really want ball bearings, you can talk 
to Guido and he will make them for you (same price).  They prefer to sell the 
plastic ones because many customers have had trouble installing or removing the 
cars and losing bearings (they don't float).  He said there's not a significant 
performance difference between ball bearing and plastic, but conceded that the 
ball bearings were slightly better.  I ordered the ball bearing version and am 
very happy with them.  If your are careful installing them, they are easy to 
install and work very well.  Garhauer makes bullet proof stuff at a very 
reasonable price.  I have no affiliation with Garhauer Marine or any of their 
employees.  I'm just a happy customer that has purchased many products from 
them.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Stus-List Garhauer Genoa Cars

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

It was posted a while ago, that Garhauer Marine no longer sells ball
bearing jib cars but only sold cars with plastic (Delrin) bearings.  I've
found this not to be completely correct.  If you really want ball bearings,
you can talk to Guido and he will make them for you (same price).  They
prefer to sell the plastic ones because many customers have had trouble
installing or removing the cars and losing bearings (they don't float).  He
said there's not a significant performance difference between ball bearing
and plastic, but conceded that the ball bearings were slightly better.  I
ordered the ball bearing version and am very happy with them.  If your are
careful installing them, they are easy to install and work very well.
Garhauer makes bullet proof stuff at a very reasonable price.  I have no
affiliation with Garhauer Marine or any of their employees.  I'm just a
happy customer that has purchased many products from them.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~
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Stus-List C 38 Auction

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction on Sept 2 includes a C 38.
This is a no reserve auction. I have not seen the boat, but pics are
available online through Flickr.
http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/4039-cc-38-mk-ii-sloop/
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat (Franklin Schenk)

[Doug Ellmore via CnC-List]

4 years ago, the parents of one of the HS cross country athletes I coached
gave me a 1964 Pearson Hawk 15.5' day sailor.  It had been sitting under a
walnut tree for 16 years.  It was a mess on a trailer.

I power washed it inside and out and then went through the process of
restoring it.

I sailed it two years on the West River, many time sailing out to Thomas
Point in the Chesapeake Bay.  I did a number of thing to make single handed
race oriented sailing possible.

In 2016, I got a deal on a 1976 C 24.  I raced it during the fall on 2016
and did pretty well.  I then did a lot of running rigging changes to
improve sail trim and single/short handed racing.

We had a lot of good success with it this year racing.  Our only issue is
the with a PHRF of 234, in flaky light air, we struggle if the air dies at
the end of a Wednesday evening race.  We typically finish mid pack with old
cruising sails.

The 25' will be nicer with the head with privacy.  I switched the 24' head
to a portable head with a removable tray.  It hardly is ever used.

You'll really improve your sailing skills if you learn the wind range of
your boat and sail in all types of weather.

Good Luck with the C 25!

-- 
Doug Ellmore, Sr.
s/v Red Sky, 1976 C 24
d...@ellmore.net
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Re: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Lisle
You are getting great advice from this list.
I would just like to add that the C 25 is a fantastic boat.  It is small 
enough to sail with very few people yet large enough to feel secure.  On top of 
that it sails very well and has a very large and usable interior for a boat 
that size
Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: "Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List" 
>
Date: 8/29/17 15:12 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Lisle Kingery, PhD" 
>
Subject: Stus-List considering 1981 C 25
Hi, still figuring out how to use/reply on the list so please bear with me

here is the add for the C 25 I'm considering:

https://fingerlakes.craigslist.org/boa/d/cc-25/6239385891.html

I went to take a quick look at it today and other than some slight star 
cracking on the deck around a few stanchions, the deck looks pretty good. I'll 
go over it carefully to check for soft spots.

I'm buying a boat to learn to sail, I'm a little concerned 27 would be a bit 
long for me, 25 looks about right. I have experience with 21 foot power boat.

Thanks,

Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Kurt Heckert via CnC-List]

Good morning, I teach sailing for an ASA school in Atlanta, we use the Capri 22 
as our teaching platform because it is small enough to get a real feel for the 
boat, such as weather helm but large enough to learn all of the skills you need 
for bigger boats. When our students move up to larger boats the biggest thing 
they need to learn is the difference in power and mass and the care and feeding 
of the diesel.

Kurt Heckert
Heart & Soul
C 35 mkII
Atlanta GA


On Wed, 8/30/17, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
 To: "C List" 
 Cc: "Marek Dziedzic" 
 Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 6:22 AM
 
 
 
  
 
 
 Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool
 for sailing.  Totally different technique. It is like
 snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, but one
 skill does not translate to the other. 
 
 
 
 Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some
 older people  (and I don't mean old) may find them
 uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn much easier
 the basic techniques of sail trimming and general
 sailing. 
 
 
 
 Of course, this would not help with big boat handling.
 You need to learn how to dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop,
 or what a prop walk is. Even the proper technique of
 hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?)
 boat. 
 
 
 
 Marek 
 
 
 
 
  Original message 
 From: John Irvin via CnC-List
  
 Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00) 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Cc: John Irvin  
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
 
 
 
 
 
 Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely
 for mall boat sailing.
 
 
 
 sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in
 Catalina/Capri 21's or J24's.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Neil
 Foxfire C 32
 Rock Hall, MD
 
 
 
 
 Neil Andersen
 
 20691 Jamieson Rd
 
 Rock Hall, MD 21661
 
 
 
  
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, 
but one skill does not translate to the other.

Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing.

Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how to 
dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the proper 
technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) boat.

Marek

 Original message 
From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Irvin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.

sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
or J24's.

Neil
Foxfire C 32
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Re: Stus-List 37+ heat

[G Collins via CnC-List]

I'm loving my hydronic system (Espar), I think though that they are more of a 
pain to install so you don't see them as much.  I can also heat wash / shower 
water with it, which is nice.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-08-29 11:31 PM, Rick Rohwer via CnC-List wrote:
We have Espar (diesel) and Dickinson (LPG) aboard Paikea.  Recent work on the 
Espar reduced the number of heat vents to 3: aft stateroom, Head and under the 
chart table.  Too many heat vents pressure stressed the blower previously and 
“coked” the unit.  Really works well (blows hard) at this point and will drive 
you out of the boat with heat.  Most of the professionals I have spoken to feel 
the heaters should be used as hard as you can, as often as you can.  In other 
words, don’t buy more furnace than you need.
The LPG unit works well as a “take the chill off the boat” and “wow look at the 
fireplace” appliance.  We installed an efficient 12V fan just above the stove 
to drive the heat as far as possible.
I don’t hear a lot of people “loving” the hydronic systems unless you really 
step up and get a boiler.

Rick
Pike 37+
Tacoma, WA
On Aug 29, 2017, at 1:34 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Crazy legs I have a Dickenson heater for sale at mbsc if you'd like to have a 
look.
Message me for info
higgs...@hotmail.com
Dave
Zeilboot
30-1

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
> wrote:

For dry heat, Calder talks about a charcoal fired unit that is wall hung.  
Can't find the exact reference right now.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL




From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
>
To: cnc-list >
Cc: Ken Heaton >
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 37+ heat

Hi Josh,

A/C ducts would have to be significantly larger in dia than the heater ducts 
need to be due to the smaller temperature differential for A/C so I don't know 
if this will help you much.  The output for my Espar is only about 3" in dia at 
the heater and quickly steps down in size as it branches off at the different 
outlets.

I have photos of some of the duct runs.  I'll take a look this evening.

Ken H.

On 29 August 2017 at 09:44, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Ken,

I'm looking to better distribute the A/C in my boat.  I'd like to see how your 
heat is ducted.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


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