Stus-List Rental Inquiry

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I apologize in advance for using this list for a non-boating inquiry.  My
son is moving to Southern California in February, and is trying to find a
house or apartment to rent in Irvine, Tustin or Santa Ana.  If anyone knows
of something that might be in one of those cities, please contact me off
list.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

Depends on the locality.

E.g. HRYRA (Hudson River) and YRALIS (Long Island Sound) only allow one
cert per boat, and one change to the cert per year. I believe this was to
discourage to using a different cert for different conditions. E.g. declare
a 155% for summer and light wind and declare a smaller headsail for fall
and heavier wind.

PHRF-NB (Narraganset Bay) allows more than one cert per boat. But I am not
sure for what conditions they allow it.

Eric

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Chuck S  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the pole?
> I'm considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed races.
>
>
> On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym on
> sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to a
>> standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard
>> pole/spin?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric
>> Baumes via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list
>> *Cc:* Eric Baumes
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here
>> http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the pertinent information on sizing.
>>
>>
>>
>> *PHRF Regulations*
>>
>> The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without penalty
>> for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 second
>> penalty.
>>
>> To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm
>> Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised
>> of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was
>> mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck.
>>
>> If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough
>> room.
>>
>> This is something you can DIY.
>>
>> The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it to
>> avoid the freight charge.
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> 1993 34/36+
>>
>> Hee Soo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have
>> me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be
>> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for
>> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and
>> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to
>> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if
>> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option
>> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so
>> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed.
>> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated.
>> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some
>> expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring
>> out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom.
>> Thanks,
>> Charlie Nelson
>> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>> (Rob Ball design)
>> Water Phantom
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ___
>>
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>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

Darn inflation…  ☹

 

Neil 

Neil Andersen 
FoxFire - 1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

 

Moorings are more like $35 now!

Joe

Coquina

 

On 01/31/2018 01:44 PM, Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List wrote:

Don’t forget the mooring are (or at least used to be) $15/day with water taxi 
service that is only a couple of bucks per person.

Neil 

Neil Andersen 
FoxFire - 1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:42 PM
To: C List   
Cc: Josh Muckley   
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

 

*UPDATE*

 

So I went to Annapolis to scout marinas, moorings, and slips for rent.  It 
looks like the Annapolis City Docks are panning out as the best location.  
Great central location, shops and restaurants available.  Walking distance to 
nearly everything including to the US Naval Academy.  Plenty of power, water, 
bathhouse, showers, uber, lift, and parking .  The biggest downside is that 
because it is downtown there is a lot of foot traffic.  I checked about 
security and there is not much.  Then again there isn't much crime so  The 
showers are not much to write home about and there is no pool.  The majority of 
the space is side tie though there are some slips.  The price is $3.25 per foot 
and we will probably need reservations by March 31st.  All reservations will be 
handled by each individual with the harbormaster.  Once we finalize the dates 
and location I'll forward the contact info to you here.

 

I'm looking for feedback and a verbal confirmation from all interested boaters. 
 The survey results have about 30 respondents interested in coming and about 
half of those by boat.  I've taken extensive efforts to carefully select a date 
and location that maximizes the number of attendees.  I'd like to get agreement 
on dates and location within the next week.  I'd feel like a successful 
compromise has been reached if 10 people confirmed attendance by land and 10 by 
boat.

 

Respond by answering the survey below:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MYLWZR9

 

Thanks!

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

On Dec 10, 2017 11:35 AM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"  > wrote:

Ok guys (and gals),

 

Sorry if this is a repeat.  It didn't look like my first email ever hit the 
server.

 

The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as my 
work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped the 
distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting area 
which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western shore of 
the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.  We could get as many as 29 
people total and 13 by boat!

 

The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th (this 
encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the 8th) and October 
26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates we can easily hold the 
rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and mooring won't be a problem.  If held 
during the earlier dates (during the boat show) we could hold the rendezvous at 
nearby towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm personally leaning 
towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great town to visit and has 
such good boating amenities; It would be nice if everyone had a chance to see 
it without the craziness of the boat show.  If during the boat show is the 
preference then I was thinking that maybe Herrington Harbor North or somewhere 
in Deal, MD would be nice.  For those who want to attend the boat show Deal is 
only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure there are marinas elsewhere closer to 
Annapolis yet away from the crowds that I'm not aware of.  I'm eager to hear 
everyones thoughts and suggestions.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 


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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

[Joe via CnC-List]

Moorings are more like $35 now!

Joe

Coquina


On 01/31/2018 01:44 PM, Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List wrote:


Don’t forget the mooring are (or at least used to be) $15/day with 
water taxi service that is only a couple of bucks per person.


Neil

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FoxFire - 1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Josh Muckley via CnC-List

*Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:42 PM
*To:* C List 
*Cc:* Josh Muckley 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

*UPDATE*

So I went to Annapolis to scout marinas, moorings, and slips for 
rent.  It looks like the Annapolis City Docks are panning out as the 
best location.  Great central location, shops and restaurants 
available.  Walking distance to nearly everything including to the US 
Naval Academy.  Plenty of power, water, bathhouse, showers, uber, 
lift, and parking .  The biggest downside is that because it is 
downtown there is a lot of foot traffic.  I checked about security and 
there is not much.  Then again there isn't much crime so The 
showers are not much to write home about and there is no pool.  The 
majority of the space is side tie though there are some slips.  The 
price is $3.25 per foot and we will probably need reservations by 
March 31st.  All reservations will be handled by each individual with 
the harbormaster.  Once we finalize the dates and location I'll 
forward the contact info to you here.


I'm looking for feedback and a verbal confirmation from all interested 
boaters.  The survey results have about 30 respondents interested in 
coming and about half of those by boat.  I've taken extensive efforts 
to carefully select a date and location that maximizes the number of 
attendees.  I'd like to get agreement on dates and location within the 
next week.  I'd feel like a successful compromise has been reached if 
10 people confirmed attendance by land and 10 by boat.


Respond by answering the survey below:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MYLWZR9

Thanks!

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD

On Dec 10, 2017 11:35 AM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


Ok guys (and gals),

Sorry if this is a repeat.  It didn't look like my first email
ever hit the server.

The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as
well as my work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember
that I had mapped the distances which people were willing to drive
and boat.  The resulting area which attracted the most people was
more or less a zone on the western shore of the Chesapeake Bay
between Annapolis and Solomons.  We could get as many as 29 people
total and 13 by boat!

The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th
(this encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the
8th) and October 26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates
we can easily hold the rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and
mooring won't be a problem.  If held during the earlier dates
(during the boat show) we could hold the rendezvous at nearby
towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm personally
leaning towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great
town to visit and has such good boating amenities; It would be
nice if everyone had a chance to see it without the craziness of
the boat show.  If during the boat show is the preference then I
was thinking that maybe Herrington Harbor North or somewhere in
Deal, MD would be nice.  For those who want to attend the boat
show Deal is only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure there are marinas
elsewhere closer to Annapolis yet away from the crowds that I'm
not aware of.  I'm eager to hear everyones thoughts and suggestions.

Thanks,

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD


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Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Eric,

Will PHRF allow you two ratings? One with the sprit and one with the pole? I'm 
considering adding a sprit and top down furler for single handed races.


> On January 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym on 
> sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hi Eric
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition 
> > to a standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard 
> > pole/spin?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Persistence
> > 
> > Halifax
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> > mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes via CnC-List
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM
> > To: cnc-list
> > Cc: Eric Baumes
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here 
> > http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project 
> > http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Here is the pertinent information on sizing.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > PHRF Regulations
> > 
> > The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without 
> > penalty for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 
> > second penalty.
> > 
> > To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 
> > 99mm Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is 
> > comprised of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward 
> > ring was mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck.
> > 
> > If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just 
> > enough room.
> > 
> > This is something you can DIY.
> > 
> > The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut 
> > it to avoid the freight charge.
> > 
> > Let me know if you have any questions.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Eric 
> > 
> > 1993 34/36+
> > 
> > Hee Soo
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) 
> > have me thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be 
> > competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for 
> > our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and 
> > took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to 
> > only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if 
> > my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option 
> > to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so 
> > I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed. 
> > Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated.
> > I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get 
> > some expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention 
> > figuring out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list 
> > wisdom.
> > Thanks,
> > Charlie Nelson
> > 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> > (Rob Ball design)
> > Water Phantom
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > ___
> > 
> > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  
> > Each and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list 
> > - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
> > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > 
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> > Each and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list 
> > - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
> > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

Don’t forget the mooring are (or at least used to be) $15/day with water taxi 
service that is only a couple of bucks per person.

Neil 

Neil Andersen 
FoxFire - 1982 C

Rock Hall, MD

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 4:42 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

 

*UPDATE*

 

So I went to Annapolis to scout marinas, moorings, and slips for rent.  It 
looks like the Annapolis City Docks are panning out as the best location.  
Great central location, shops and restaurants available.  Walking distance to 
nearly everything including to the US Naval Academy.  Plenty of power, water, 
bathhouse, showers, uber, lift, and parking .  The biggest downside is that 
because it is downtown there is a lot of foot traffic.  I checked about 
security and there is not much.  Then again there isn't much crime so  The 
showers are not much to write home about and there is no pool.  The majority of 
the space is side tie though there are some slips.  The price is $3.25 per foot 
and we will probably need reservations by March 31st.  All reservations will be 
handled by each individual with the harbormaster.  Once we finalize the dates 
and location I'll forward the contact info to you here.

 

I'm looking for feedback and a verbal confirmation from all interested boaters. 
 The survey results have about 30 respondents interested in coming and about 
half of those by boat.  I've taken extensive efforts to carefully select a date 
and location that maximizes the number of attendees.  I'd like to get agreement 
on dates and location within the next week.  I'd feel like a successful 
compromise has been reached if 10 people confirmed attendance by land and 10 by 
boat.

 

Respond by answering the survey below:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MYLWZR9

 

Thanks!

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 

 

On Dec 10, 2017 11:35 AM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"  > wrote:

Ok guys (and gals),

 

Sorry if this is a repeat.  It didn't look like my first email ever hit the 
server.

 

The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as my 
work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped the 
distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting area 
which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western shore of 
the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.  We could get as many as 29 
people total and 13 by boat!

 

The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th (this 
encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the 8th) and October 
26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates we can easily hold the 
rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and mooring won't be a problem.  If held 
during the earlier dates (during the boat show) we could hold the rendezvous at 
nearby towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm personally leaning 
towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great town to visit and has 
such good boating amenities; It would be nice if everyone had a chance to see 
it without the craziness of the boat show.  If during the boat show is the 
preference then I was thinking that maybe Herrington Harbor North or somewhere 
in Deal, MD would be nice.  For those who want to attend the boat show Deal is 
only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure there are marinas elsewhere closer to 
Annapolis yet away from the crowds that I'm not aware of.  I'm eager to hear 
everyones thoughts and suggestions.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD 


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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Patrick;

 

The PO installed the new Universal M35B using the basic exhaust elbow available 
from Westerbeke instead of a riser, which put the high point of the exhaust 6 
to 8 inches above the waterline, to port of the centerline of the boat. Because 
of the geography aft of the engine on a 38 MK2, the horizontal Hydra Hush 
muffler was installed on the starboard side of the transmission, near the 
waterline. That gave an angle of 30 degrees or less from horizontal to the hose 
that crossed from the exhaust elbow to the muffler (behind the heat exchanger). 
Aft of the muffler the 2” hose from the exhaust was reduced to the original 1 
½” hose used on the original A4 (increasing back pressure and probably 
resulting in more water staying in the muffler) and the hose was just laid in 
the bilge on the way back to the original 1 ½” through hull in the transom – 
maybe 8” to 10” above the water line and less so when the boat squatted under 
power. 

 

So the high point of the system was pretty much the exhaust through hull and 
the hose was undersized, but apparently adequate. When under power the exhaust 
sprayed out of the through hull like a rooster tail; I corrected that with a 
rubber elbow that redirected the spray downward, but didn’t really think about 
why it was happening. 

 

In retrospect, when the engine was shut off all the water in the hose aft of 
the muffler drained back into the muffler. Then when sailing with high port 
heel, the water drained back from the muffler to the exhaust manifold. So long 
as I started the engine after sailing (which is normal) the exhaust pressure 
cleared the water out of the manifold. That arrangement worked for 5 years and 
about 400 engine hours, until I put the boat into a slip without the engine, 
and left it sit for a couple of months. That let the water in the manifold seep 
into the cylinders and rust the rings to the cylinder walls.

 

The replacement system is what Westerbeke/Universal recommends in the 
installation manual – and a bit more when space permitted. After 9 years and 
about 900 hours no problems so far – and I don’t need to put up with the 
rooster tail getting the cockpit wet when motoring downwind.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick 
Davin via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Patrick Davin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

 

Rick, that's the sort of nightmare story I'm hoping to avoid! When you say 
corners were cut "on the exhaust elbow, hose routing, and the siphon break" do 
you mean the prior engine had those things installed in a poor manner, or that 
a siphon break wasn't installed? 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

That is in place of a standard spin and pole. If you declare both Asym on
sprit and Symmetrical on pole you will get a PHRF penalty.

Eric

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Eric
>
>
>
> When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to a
> standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard
> pole/spin?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric
> Baumes via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM
> *To:* cnc-list
> *Cc:* Eric Baumes
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here
> http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project
>
>
>
> Here is the pertinent information on sizing.
>
>
>
> *PHRF Regulations*
>
> The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without penalty
> for Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 second
> penalty.
>
> To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm
> Aluminum Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised
> of the 42 in beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was
> mounted approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck.
>
> If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough
> room.
>
> This is something you can DIY.
>
> The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it to
> avoid the freight charge.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
> 1993 34/36+
>
> Hee Soo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have me
> thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be
> competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for
> our last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and
> took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to
> only 4 so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if
> my crew were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option
> to use the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so
> I would likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed.
> Thoughts on this plan from the list would be appreciated.
> I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some
> expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring
> out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom.
> Thanks,
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> (Rob Ball design)
> Water Phantom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

At the suggestion of a friend who successfully raced a J 35 for years, I 
bought an assym for my 42.  I did not retrofit a bow sprit, but instead we 
set the pole low and nearly against the forestay.  We fly the sail from 
about 60 to 110 degrees apparent -- below 110 it is obviously the wrong 
sail.  On our big, old 42, we don't sail downwind polars.  We tend to stay 
on the rhumb line going downhill, which means we go to a regular chute when 
the apparent wind is below 110 degrees.  Also, we don't race in the 
spinnaker fleet a lot, and when we do it is typically distance races.  As a 
result, we don't need to jibe the assym.  My impression is that it has been 
a good addition to the inventory.


FWIW, when I visited Rocky River, OH, over the summer, I noticed a lot of 
boats with retrofitted bow sprits.


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From: Charles Nelson via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Charles Nelson
Subject: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36

Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have me 
thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be 
competitive in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for our 
last race and the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and took a 
1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to only 4 
so probably won't compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if my crew 
were not in the BVI, etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option to use 
the asym if I don't have enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so I would 
likely keep the asym size such that my rating is not changed. Thoughts on 
this plan from the list would be appreciated.
I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some 
expert advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring 
out how to fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom.

Thanks,
Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
(Rob Ball design)
Water Phantom

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Vented loop for engine above exhaust elbow?

[Daniel Cormier via CnC-List]

Breakaweigh has a vented loop. Yanmar engine.

Dan
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax NS

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> On Jan 30, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all. Rick, that's the sort of nightmare story I'm hoping to avoid! 
> When you say corners were cut "on the exhaust elbow, hose routing, and the 
> siphon break" do you mean the prior engine had those things installed in a 
> poor manner, or that a siphon break wasn't installed? 
> 
> I haven't heard from any Landfall 38 owners about layout (where the loop is 
> mounted), so if any of those folks have one I'd still be interested in that. 
> 
> I did wonder about temperature. I think the exchanger raw water output is not 
> as hot as the exhaust? Forespar says Marelon is okay to 170F. Interestingly 
> the Scot loop says 140 F max temp, which is pretty low. Maybe because their 
> vent parts are made out of plastic Delrin, or they're just being 
> conservative. In the diagram Paul sent me they show the loop in use between 
> the exchanger and exhaust elbow, so obviously they intend for it to be used 
> in that role. 
> 
> I guess most people do the loop between the exchanger outlet and the exhaust 
> elbow because it's easier to install there than in between the water pump and 
> the exchanger inlet. And presuming the water is below 170F then Marelon is 
> okay in either location. 
> 
> I agree the exhaust transom exit is probably the greater risk in most cases. 
> I already have an ample exhaust hose rise there though, and the waterlock 
> muffler should prevent siphoning afaik. It'd take a lot for following waves 
> to push past a 3 foot rise in a 1.5" hose and then through an exhaust riser. 
> I'd consider an exhaust lock (inline, in an accessible location) if I'm 
> worried about that. Hanging from the transom in ocean swells to insert a plug 
> doesn't seem viable. 
> 
> -Patrick
> '84 C LF38
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Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Eric

When you say YRALIS allows 24% with no penalty is that in addition to a 
standard spin pole and Symmetric spinnaker or in place of the standard 
pole/spin?

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:32 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: Eric Baumes
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adding asym sail/sprit to C 36

Hi,

I did this a few years ago on my 34/36+ Brief write up here 
http://svheesoo.com/content/bowsprint-retro-fit-project

Here is the pertinent information on sizing.


PHRF Regulations

The YRALIS allows for a retrofit bowsprit to be 24% of J without penalty for 
Windward/Leward racing. For distance racing it asseses a -6 second penalty.

To support an unsupported length of ~52 inches, the Selden Selden 99mm Aluminum 
Bowsprit Kit - 10.4 Ft. was required. The 52 inches is comprised of the 42 in 
beyond the forestay allowed by PHRF plus the forward ring was mounted 
approximately 10" behind the forestay on the deck.

If you have the same Harken furler and bow roller there is just enough room.

This is something you can DIY.

The uncut sprit was just over the limit for UPS so I had them cut it to avoid 
the freight charge.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Eric
1993 34/36+
Hee Soo




On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Difficulties in finding enough crew to fly my masthead kite (~7-8) have me 
thinking of adding a sprit with asym kite to make it possible to be competitive 
in the spin fleet with less crew (~ 4-6). I only had   6 for our last race and 
the wind was 10-15 so we decided to forego the kite and took a 1st, 2nd and 3rd 
(only 3 boats competed). This weekend I am down to only 4 so probably won't 
compete, giving up a solid 2nd with a poss 1st if my crew were not in the BVI, 
etc. My thoughts are solely to have the option to use the asym if I don't have 
enough crew to do the symm Masthead kite so I would likely keep the asym size 
such that my rating is not changed. Thoughts on this plan from the list would 
be appreciated.
I do realize that this is a complicated issue and I may have to get some expert 
advice on sprit length, asym sail size/shape not to mention figuring out how to 
fly it but I am starting with the collective list wisdom.
Thanks,
Charlie Nelson
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
(Rob Ball design)
Water Phantom

Sent from my iPhone
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