Re: Stus-List Headsails in Victoria BC

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks for sharing that.  The 30 Mk1 sail’s luff length is listed as 36’.  That 
seems about five feet short of full hoist for a 30-1.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 7:09 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Not mine but:
> 
> C 30 Mk2 North #3 for $450: 
> http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/NORTH-3-Headsail---CC-30-Mark-II_27210605
>  
> 
> 
> C 30 Mk1 North #3 for $300:  
> http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/3-jib-_31222504 
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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C rendezvous

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Ok, so far we have 17 responses with 8 intending to come by boat.  That's
about half of the total original responses.  I feel pretty good about the
turn out.  There are a couple of things working against us and I think we
can probably work towards clearing them up in the future.  I'll talk to the
harbor master (Beth) again on Monday and get the final contact details
forwarded to you all.  She had originally stated that having all of the
reservations made and paid for by March 3st would be a good goal.  She can
work mooring ball and slip reservations.

More to follow,

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 30, 2018 4:41 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> *UPDATE*
>
> So I went to Annapolis to scout marinas, moorings, and slips for rent.  It
> looks like the Annapolis City Docks are panning out as the best location.
> Great central location, shops and restaurants available.  Walking distance
> to nearly everything including to the US Naval Academy.  Plenty of power,
> water, bathhouse, showers, uber, lift, and parking .  The biggest downside
> is that because it is downtown there is a lot of foot traffic.  I checked
> about security and there is not much.  Then again there isn't much crime
> so  The showers are not much to write home about and there is no pool.
> The majority of the space is side tie though there are some slips.  The
> price is $3.25 per foot and we will probably need reservations by March
> 31st.  All reservations will be handled by each individual with the
> harbormaster.  Once we finalize the dates and location I'll forward the
> contact info to you here.
>
> I'm looking for feedback and a verbal confirmation from all interested
> boaters.  The survey results have about 30 respondents interested in coming
> and about half of those by boat.  I've taken extensive efforts to carefully
> select a date and location that maximizes the number of attendees.  I'd
> like to get agreement on dates and location within the next week.  I'd feel
> like a successful compromise has been reached if 10 people confirmed
> attendance by land and 10 by boat.
>
> Respond by answering the survey below:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MYLWZR9
>
> Thanks!
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Dec 10, 2017 11:35 AM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok guys (and gals),
>>
>> Sorry if this is a repeat.  It didn't look like my first email ever hit
>> the server.
>>
>> The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as
>> my work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped
>> the distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting
>> area which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western
>> shore of the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.  We could get
>> as many as 29 people total and 13 by boat!
>>
>> The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th (this
>> encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the 8th) and October
>> 26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates we can easily hold the
>> rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and mooring won't be a problem.  If
>> held during the earlier dates (during the boat show) we could hold the
>> rendezvous at nearby towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm
>> personally leaning towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great
>> town to visit and has such good boating amenities; It would be nice if
>> everyone had a chance to see it without the craziness of the boat show.  If
>> during the boat show is the preference then I was thinking that maybe
>> Herrington Harbor North or somewhere in Deal, MD would be nice.  For those
>> who want to attend the boat show Deal is only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure
>> there are marinas elsewhere closer to Annapolis yet away from the crowds
>> that I'm not aware of.  I'm eager to hear everyones thoughts and
>> suggestions.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
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Re: Stus-List insurance

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

I am with Red Sield $850 for $60k. This is also live aboard, think my 
deductible is $1000. 
Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39POYC, WA



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 Original message From: ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List 
 Date: 2/3/18  12:50  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: ahycrace ahycrace  Subject: 
Stus-List insurance 
Hello all               Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it 
went up 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was 
nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got 
raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say 4% or 
so to lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have a 
automatic lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero it must 
stay there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 40k, 
might have to start shopping, any feedback?
                                                             Gary K  "Liberty"  
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Stus-List Headsails in Victoria BC

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Not mine but:

C 30 Mk2 North #3 for $450:
http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/NORTH-3-Headsail---CC-30-Mark-II_27210605

C 30 Mk1 North #3 for $300:
http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/3-jib-_31222504
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Re: Stus-List insurance

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

If your deductible is zero, that means that your deductible has gone from
whatever you had it, to zero without increasing your premium for the zero
deductible.  In other words, you had no claims in the past four years, and
your deductible has gone down twenty-five percent per year over those four
years.  I had a claim, last year, and I didn't have to pay a deductible.
It started out as a four percent deductible, and it went down when I had no
claims for four years or more.  I had the same question as you, until they
explained it to me.  My insurance is due to renew in April, and the
deductible will probably go back to four percent, plus whatever the new
rates have increased to.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

Alan


On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Matthew Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Agreed.  I suspect we’re paying for hurricane damage.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 3, 2018, at 3:50 PM, ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
>Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it went
> up 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was
> nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got
> raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say
> 4% or so to lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have
> a automatic lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero
> it must stay there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$
> for 40k, might have to start shopping, any feedback?
>
>
>  Gary K
> "Liberty"  1976  38'  MKll
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Re: Stus-List insurance

[Matthew Wolford via CnC-List]

Agreed.  I suspect we’re paying for hurricane damage.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 3:50 PM, ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
>Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it went up 
> 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was 
> nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got 
> raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say 4% 
> or so to lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have a 
> automatic lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero it 
> must stay there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 
> 40k, might have to start shopping, any feedback?
> 
> 
> 
>  Gary K  
> "Liberty"  1976  38'  MKll
> 
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Re: Stus-List insurance

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I use Gowrie also and hundreds less than BoatUS.  Dave

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've found them to be among the most expensive. My insurance for C 40 
> Peregrine was $600-ish through the Gowrie Group. 
> 
> Andy
> 
> Andrew Burton
> 61 West Narragansett Ave
> Newport, RI 
> USA 02840
> 
> +401 965 5260
> 
> 
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 15:50, ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>>Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it went up 
>> 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was 
>> nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got 
>> raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say 4% 
>> or so to lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have a 
>> automatic lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero it 
>> must stay there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 
>> 40k, might have to start shopping, any feedback?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Gary K  
>> "Liberty"  1976  38'  MKll
>> 
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Re: Stus-List insurance

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I've found them to be among the most expensive. My insurance for C 40 
Peregrine was $600-ish through the Gowrie Group. 

Andy

Andrew Burton
61 West Narragansett Ave
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260


> On Feb 3, 2018, at 15:50, ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
>Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it went up 
> 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was 
> nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got 
> raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say 4% 
> or so to lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have a 
> automatic lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero it 
> must stay there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 
> 40k, might have to start shopping, any feedback?
> 
> 
> 
>  Gary K  
> "Liberty"  1976  38'  MKll
> 
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Re: Stus-List insurance

[robert via CnC-List]

Gary, with no recent accidents and/or other claims, that is a big 
increase and overall, $1,100 for $40K is extreme where I shop for boat 
insurance.  Time to shop around for insurance.


Not boat related but topic related2 weeks ago, I got my auto 
insurance renewal invoice for 201811.5% increase...accident and 
claim free, no wayshop around for a few hours on the phoneget a 
new auto policy with everything I already had a bit more (paid auto if 
my car in for repairs in case of accident) for 11% less than I was 
paying for 2017.even less than now.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





On 2018-02-03 4:50 PM, ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List wrote:


Hello all

               Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it 
went up 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they 
said it was nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if 
everybody else got raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  
which is zero, to say 4% or so to lower my rates. They said they can't 
do that because they have a automatic lowering of the deductible over 
time and once it reaches zero it must stay there. Sounds like they 
just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 40k, might have to start 
shopping, any feedback?



 Gary K  "Liberty"  1976  38'  MKll



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Re: Stus-List insurance

[coltrek via CnC-List]

I got a quote from BoatUS  around the end of September I think, and then when I 
went to go buy the insurance in December,, it had gone up 35%. Needless to say, 
I balked and started looking. I got a couple of other quotes in a similar 
range, and then one quote for around $900 less than the BoatUS original quote. 
It's crazy. They are obviously trying to pay for that horrendous mess last 
summer, that had to have cost them hundreds of Millions. But, I'm not in that 
high-risk area so why should I have to pay the price of paradise when I don't 
have it?
Bill Coleman 
C 39



 Original message 
From: ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List  
Date: 2/3/18  15:50  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: ahycrace ahycrace  
Subject: Stus-List insurance 

Hello all               Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it 
went up 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was 
nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got 
raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say 4% or 
so to lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have a 
automatic lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero it must 
stay there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 40k, 
might have to start shopping, any feedback?
                                                             Gary K  "Liberty"  
1976  38'  MKll___

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Re: Stus-List insurance

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Same thing happened to me.  My boat is insured through BoatUS, for inland US 
lakes & rivers (which excludes the Great Lakes), and for racing.  For 2016 I 
paid $511.  For 2017 I paid $521.  For 2018 it jumped 10% to $574.

In 2016, the underwriter for BoatUS insurance was National Liability & Fire 
Insurance Company.  For 2017 it switched to GEICO.

When I first obtained the insurance in 2016, BoatUS also had a diminishing 
deductible policy under which my deductible diminishes by 25% of the original 
deductible, per year, to zero for the fifth year, as long as I do not claim any 
losses in the first four years.  It looks like the diminishing deductible 
policy is still in effect with GEICO, because my deductible has gone from $600 
in 2016 to $375 in 2017 to $250 in 2018.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:50 PM, ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
>Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it went up 
> 238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was 
> nothing on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got 
> raised as well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say 4% 
> or so to lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have a 
> automatic lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero it 
> must stay there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 
> 40k, might have to start shopping, any feedback?
> 
> 
> 
>  Gary K  
> "Liberty"  1976  38'  MKll
> 
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Stus-List insurance

[ahycrace ahycrace via CnC-List]

Hello all

   Well I just got my insurance bill from boat US and it went up 
238$  a pretty big increase.  I called to ask why and they said it was nothing 
on my end rates just went up.  I am wondering if everybody else got raised as 
well?  I tried to increase my deductible  which is zero, to say 4% or so to 
lower my rates. They said they can't do that because they have a automatic 
lowering of the deductible over time and once it reaches zero it must stay 
there. Sounds like they just want to keep the bill up! 1100$ for 40k, might 
have to start shopping, any feedback?


 Gary K  "Liberty"  
1976  38'  MKll___

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Re: Stus-List Halyard knots (was: Masthead sheaves C 37+)

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

For those who want to know everything about knots and splices, here's a
series of tests done by Evans Starzinger with help from the rope companies
and other interested people:
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/154025-ropeknotsplice-load-testing/
Fascinating stuff, but there are 1800 posts in the thread so be warned it's
not a quick read.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC



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Re: Stus-List Kidde Fire Extinguisher Recall

[Paul E via CnC-List]

Thanks Brian,

I was aware of the Kiddie recall, but failed to add a checking of the 
extinguishers to my to-do list.   

 I just checked the two extinguishers on my boat, and both are affected by 
recall.  Kidde is sending out replacements. 

I believe I purchased these originally at either Walmart or Home Depot.  They 
are the standard white mariner extinguisher
which are also available at West Marine.

To those who have not yet checked their units, it is simple to check via the 
web link given below.   Nothing to mail in
or send, it is all do online and takes only a minute or two to complete.

-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Feb 2, 2018, at 12:27 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 12:22:59 -0500
> From: "Nauset Beach"  >
> To: >
> Subject: Stus-List Kidde Fire Extinguisher Recall
> Message-ID: <006001d39c4a$78f966c0$6aec3440$@optonline.net 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I do not recall if this was mentioned on the list before or not, but read in
> the Boat US magazine last night that Kidde has recalled over 40 million fire
> extinguishers with plastic handles or plastic push buttons manufactured
> between January, 1973 and August, 2017.  According to the US Consumer
> Product Safety Commission the extinguishers can become clogged and fail to
> operate, and the nozzle cap can become detached.  
> 
> 
> 
> Apparently free replacements with metal handles can be requested. 
> 
> 
> 
> More information on the recall can be found at:
> https://inmarmarketaction.com/kidde/   
> which has links to separate pages for
> the US and Canada.  
> 
> 
> 
> Brian
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Re: Stus-List Question: Radar reflector vs. active radar

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

 One of the fellow members of our UK yacht club (Reading Offshore Sailing Club) 
has a funny story about entering Le Havre in fog with their active radar 
reflector. Based on the size of their echo, the other traffic was expecting a 
much bigger ship entering the channel, and had cleared out of the way.
On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:23:21 PM GMT, Frederick G Street via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 That’s one of the more weird things I’ve heard… radars are specifically 
designed to try to filter out any signals not their own.
Other boats might have something like the CARD system aboard to pick up other 
vessels’ radar:
http://nordkyndesign.com/collision-avoidance-at-sea-ais-alarm-project/
But those systems haven’t been available new for a decade.  The other type of 
device that you could have on your vessel to help other radar-equipped vessels 
see you better would be an active radar target augmentation system like the 
Echo-Max:
https://www.echomax.co.uk/radar-target-enhancers-x-band-dual-band.html
Or a Search and Rescue Transponder (SART):
http://www.offshoreblue.com/safety/sart.php

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 2, 2018, at 11:42 AM, Damian Greene via CnC-List  
wrote:
Here's a question for your collective wisdom: 
We regularly have fog here in Maine, and my normal practice is to hoist a Davis 
emergency radar reflector in the shrouds (so I hopefully will not get run over 
by a lobster boat). So this year I decided to get the yard to mount an EchoMax 
reflector on the mast, and be better prepared.
However, reviewing my work-list with the yard maintenance manager yesterday, he 
asked why I was doing this, as I have radar, and the signal from my radome 
would light up on other boats' radar better than a reflector.
That's something I've never heard before, so I told him I would investigate and 
get back on that. Frankly, this does not make a lot of sense - why would people 
bother with radar reflectors - but he has more than 20 years' experience with 
Hinckley and others.
I'd like a definitive answer (Fred?) to resolve this.

Thanks,
Damian Greene
ex C 34 Ghostnow Sabre 38 FreefallBass Harbor, Maine

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Re: Stus-List Question: Radar reflector vs. active radar

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

 Thanks all for these helpful responses, and Fred in particular. 
Damian
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On Friday, February 2, 2018, 6:29:25 PM GMT, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 FWIW, ISAF requires radar reflectors regardless whether the boat has radar.  
Even on a steel hull.
Joel
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

That’s one of the more weird things I’ve heard… radars are specifically 
designed to try to filter out any signals not their own.
Other boats might have something like the CARD system aboard to pick up other 
vessels’ radar:
http://nordkyndesign.com/ collision-avoidance-at-sea- ais-alarm-project/
But those systems haven’t been available new for a decade.  The other type of 
device that you could have on your vessel to help other radar-equipped vessels 
see you better would be an active radar target augmentation system like the 
Echo-Max:
https://www.echomax.co.uk/ radar-target-enhancers-x-band- dual-band.html
Or a Search and Rescue Transponder (SART):
http://www.offshoreblue.com/ safety/sart.php

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 2, 2018, at 11:42 AM, Damian Greene via CnC-List  
wrote:
Here's a question for your collective wisdom: 
We regularly have fog here in Maine, and my normal practice is to hoist a Davis 
emergency radar reflector in the shrouds (so I hopefully will not get run over 
by a lobster boat). So this year I decided to get the yard to mount an EchoMax 
reflector on the mast, and be better prepared.
However, reviewing my work-list with the yard maintenance manager yesterday, he 
asked why I was doing this, as I have radar, and the signal from my radome 
would light up on other boats' radar better than a reflector.
That's something I've never heard before, so I told him I would investigate and 
get back on that. Frankly, this does not make a lot of sense - why would people 
bother with radar reflectors - but he has more than 20 years' experience with 
Hinckley and others.
I'd like a definitive answer (Fred?) to resolve this.

Thanks,
Damian Greene
ex C 34 Ghostnow Sabre 38 FreefallBass Harbor, Maine


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