Re: Stus-List Fuel Tank Depth (C 37+)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

11.5 inches - ish

Josh




On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 2:45 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
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> Listers,
>
> Anyone know the fuel tank depth on a C 37+?
>
> I’m looking to replace my sending unit.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
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Stus-List Fuel Tank Depth (C 37+)

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Anyone know the fuel tank depth on a C 37+? 

I’m looking to replace my sending unit. 

All the best, 

Edd

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot tiller arm on LF38 *without* bolting to quadrant?

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

Hi Patrick,I installed a belowdecks autopilot on Pegasus. Contact Kyle as he 
now has Pegasus there in Shilshole. Maybe he'll let you look at the way I 
installed it. Good luckDoug. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LH39Port Orchard YC 
wa.
 Original message From: Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/3/19  19:40  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Patrick Davin  Subject: Stus-List 
Autopilot tiller arm on LF38 *without* bolting to quadrant? I know there was a 
thread about below-decks autopilots on the Landfall 38 where discussion ended 
up on "bolt it to the radial drive, reinforcing the attachment point." ( 
http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2018-May/200838.html )I'm 
researching this now, with interest in installing a Raymarine EV-200 with type 
1 mechanical linear drive, and I think it *might* be possible to do without 
bolting to the radial drive. Does anyone know if any LF38 has successfully done 
this?  I've already read dreuge's post - 
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2016/12/below-deck-autopilot.html - which is 
excellent. But he went a different route than I want to go, so it would be 
helpful to see other photos and installation ideas. The reason I want to avoid 
bolting to the radial drive is that Edson has repeatedly advised against it, 
calling it a "likely catastrophic failure" and saying the cast aluminum fixture 
is not designed for those kind of torsional forces, it's designed for pulling 
forces (via the cables). A Type 1 ram has 650 lbs peak thrust and a type 2 has 
1050 lbs. Additionally I have found one account of someone who had their Edson 
radial explode (with autopilot mounted to it) - it took 15 years before this 
happened, but still not a risk that's worth it in my mind. The ideas I'm 
considering for doing this without mounting to the radial are: A) custom tiller 
arm, with a 90 degree bend to clear the radial drive rim. It would clamp to the 
rudder shaft in the 1.9" of available space (1.5" of that is within the bottom 
concave part of the radial drive). Note I have no diesel tank under the 
steering, which makes this easier. I don't have a design for this idea 
though.B) Jefa 270 degree quadrant with integrated tiller arm. 
https://www.jefa.com/steering/products/cable/quadrants/quadrants.htmI'm talking 
to Jefa (part of PYI now) this week. The quadrant with welded on tiller arm has 
less overall height than an Edson radial drive, so it would fit. But I'm not 
sure about positioning of the linear drive unit - it's 27.5" long and the LF38 
stern is quite narrow. Sorry for the long post. The motivation for a 
below-decks autopilot is that the wheel pilot is not strong enough for 
significant wave state (it's only rated for 16.5k lbs displacement, and the 
LF38 is more like 19-20k when loaded for cruising).-Patrick1984 C LF38
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Re: Stus-List Autopilot tiller arm on LF38 *without* bolting to quadrant?

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

That would be great if my worries are unfounded because it would save a lot
of work. :)
But I'm not so sure. Generally I like to defer to the advice of the
manufacturer - they're the designers, the experts, the engineers, after
all. Of course, I think Edson is being overly conservative to cover their
butts. But it is true that losing steering could very well be catastrophic.

And of the boats that have installed direct to quadrant, I don't know what
kind of conditions they've been tested in. It's possible they've never
reached peak thrust.

Bob do you have any pictures of your autopilot install? I searched your
blog but I think it's not on there (it's from before the blog).

-Patrick

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot tiller arm on LF38 *without* bolting to quadrant?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

When I was in that business we fabricated plates to spread the load over 
the entire quadrant as opposed to one attachment point.


Joe

Coquina

On 3/4/2019 8:19 AM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote:
I’ve had my autopilot for probably 20+ years with the Type 1 linear 
actuator directly attached to the quadrant with no issues.  The 
quadrant attachment is reinforced with aluminum plates.  We live 
aboard and cruise up and down the ICW and to/from the Bahamas.  I 
think your worries are unfounded.


Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com 
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 

On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:40 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I know there was a thread about below-decks autopilots on the 
Landfall 38 where discussion ended up on "bolt it to the radial 
drive, reinforcing the attachment point." ( 
http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2018-May/200838.html 
)


I'm researching this now, with interest in installing a Raymarine 
EV-200 with type 1 mechanical linear drive, and I think it *might* be 
possible to do without bolting to the radial drive. Does anyone know 
if any LF38 has successfully done this?


I've already read dreuge's post - 
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2016/12/below-deck-autopilot.html - 
which is excellent. But he went a different route than I want to go, 
so it would be helpful to see other photos and installation ideas.


The reason I want to avoid bolting to the radial drive is that Edson 
has repeatedly advised against it, calling it a "likely catastrophic 
failure" and saying the cast aluminum fixture is not designed for 
those kind of torsional forces, it's designed for pulling forces (via 
the cables). A Type 1 ram has 650 lbs peak thrust and a type 2 has 
1050 lbs. Additionally I have found one account of someone who had 
their Edson radial explode (with autopilot mounted to it) - it took 
15 years before this happened, but still not a risk that's worth it 
in my mind.


The ideas I'm considering for doing this without mounting to the 
radial are:


A) custom tiller arm, with a 90 degree bend to clear the radial drive 
rim. It would clamp to the rudder shaft in the 1.9" of available 
space (1.5" of that is within the bottom concave part of the radial 
drive). Note I have no diesel tank under the steering, which makes 
this easier. I don't have a design for this idea though.


B) Jefa 270 degree quadrant with integrated tiller arm. 
https://www.jefa.com/steering/products/cable/quadrants/quadrants.htm
I'm talking to Jefa (part of PYI now) this week. The quadrant with 
welded on tiller arm has less overall height than an Edson radial 
drive, so it would fit. But I'm not sure about positioning of the 
linear drive unit - it's 27.5" long and the LF38 stern is quite narrow.


Sorry for the long post. The motivation for a below-decks autopilot 
is that the wheel pilot is not strong enough for significant wave 
state (it's only rated for 16.5k lbs displacement, and the LF38 is 
more like 19-20k when loaded for cruising).


-Patrick
1984 C LF38

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot tiller arm on LF38 *without* bolting to quadrant?

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I’ve had my autopilot for probably 20+ years with the Type 1 linear actuator 
directly attached to the quadrant with no issues.  The quadrant attachment is 
reinforced with aluminum plates.  We live aboard and cruise up and down the ICW 
and to/from the Bahamas.  I think your worries are unfounded.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Mar 3, 2019, at 10:40 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know there was a thread about below-decks autopilots on the Landfall 38 
> where discussion ended up on "bolt it to the radial drive, reinforcing the 
> attachment point." ( 
> http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2018-May/200838.html )
> 
> I'm researching this now, with interest in installing a Raymarine EV-200 with 
> type 1 mechanical linear drive, and I think it *might* be possible to do 
> without bolting to the radial drive. Does anyone know if any LF38 has 
> successfully done this?  
> 
> I've already read dreuge's post - 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2016/12/below-deck-autopilot.html - which 
> is excellent. But he went a different route than I want to go, so it would be 
> helpful to see other photos and installation ideas. 
> 
> The reason I want to avoid bolting to the radial drive is that Edson has 
> repeatedly advised against it, calling it a "likely catastrophic failure" and 
> saying the cast aluminum fixture is not designed for those kind of torsional 
> forces, it's designed for pulling forces (via the cables). A Type 1 ram has 
> 650 lbs peak thrust and a type 2 has 1050 lbs. Additionally I have found one 
> account of someone who had their Edson radial explode (with autopilot mounted 
> to it) - it took 15 years before this happened, but still not a risk that's 
> worth it in my mind. 
> 
> The ideas I'm considering for doing this without mounting to the radial are: 
> 
> A) custom tiller arm, with a 90 degree bend to clear the radial drive rim. It 
> would clamp to the rudder shaft in the 1.9" of available space (1.5" of that 
> is within the bottom concave part of the radial drive). Note I have no diesel 
> tank under the steering, which makes this easier. I don't have a design for 
> this idea though.
> 
> B) Jefa 270 degree quadrant with integrated tiller arm. 
> https://www.jefa.com/steering/products/cable/quadrants/quadrants.htm
> I'm talking to Jefa (part of PYI now) this week. The quadrant with welded on 
> tiller arm has less overall height than an Edson radial drive, so it would 
> fit. But I'm not sure about positioning of the linear drive unit - it's 27.5" 
> long and the LF38 stern is quite narrow. 
> 
> Sorry for the long post. The motivation for a below-decks autopilot is that 
> the wheel pilot is not strong enough for significant wave state (it's only 
> rated for 16.5k lbs displacement, and the LF38 is more like 19-20k when 
> loaded for cruising).
> 
> -Patrick
> 1984 C LF38
> 
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Re: Stus-List soft shackles

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 12:29 AM Wade Glew via CnC-List  Hi Listers,
>
> some time ago there were some comments on the use of soft shackles to join
> genoa sheets to the genoa clew.  This idea sounds really interesting to me
> but having browsed Amazon, I realize I don't know what working strength of
> soft shackle I need to buy.  My  C is a 33 MK II with I dimension of 44.5
> ft (13.56 m) and J dimension of 13.9 ft (3.99 m).  I have  a 135 furling
> genoa.  Would anyone please help me to choose the proper strength shackle?
>
> Wade
> Oh Boy, 33 MK II
> Lake of the Woods
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