Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

No question, it would be great to hear form the people who design these masts, 
but I don’t believe that in a normal boat, the mast would be weakened by 
dropping the main.

From a lay person point of view, when running, the main is not supporting the 
mast much. I can imagine that it does, to a degree, when you are close to wind 
(the main plus the main sheet provide an extra support of the mast from the 
aft).

Marek

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Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

I would love to hear Mr. Ball chime in on this thread, if possible, from a mast 
design point of view. I have been told by a very experienced offshore sailor 
and the instructor of Offshore Sea Survival courses, that the masts are 
designed to have a mainsail hoisted and are not stable or properly supported 
without it. The instructor stated that if you were to drop the main because of 
high winds that you should be hoisting a storm sail in its place, if for no 
other reason than to support the mast. Since then the only time I will run on 
jib alone is in light air drifting around the harbour for an evening pleasure 
cruise.

Regards,

Morgan Ellis
s/v Meandher
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Re: Stus-List Gybing a headsail

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Haven't got a clew what that could mean.


> On March 18, 2019 at 8:17 PM Edward Levert via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tack close to the mast?
> 
> Ed Levert 
> C 34 Briar Patch
> New Orleans
> 
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 6:59 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > As Andy Burton alluded, the secret to gybing a headsail, 
> particularly a large overlapping genoa, is to keep the tack close to the 
> mast.  You need to ease the old sheet while hauling in the new one keeping 
> tension on both sheets.  If you let the tack go forward, it may well wrap on 
> the forestay.
> > 
> > I store Touche's anchor on the pulpit with the stock up and the 
> > shank down.  If I don't keep the tack close to the mast, the genoa 
> > inevitably fouls on the anchor stock.  :(
> > 
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Gybing a headsail

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

Tack close to the mast?

Ed Levert
C 34 Briar Patch
New Orleans

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 6:59 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> As Andy Burton alluded, the secret to gybing a headsail, particularly a
> large overlapping genoa, is to keep the tack close to the mast.  You need
> to ease the old sheet while hauling in the new one keeping tension on both
> sheets.  If you let the tack go forward, it may well wrap on the forestay.
>
> I store Touche's anchor on the pulpit with the stock up and the shank
> down.  If I don't keep the tack close to the mast, the genoa inevitably
> fouls on the anchor stock.  :(
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Morgan, I would say that this instructor is sort of right. Those four-spreader 
racing noodles are designed to have a main on...and that sail probably won't 
have a reef, even. The main does support the mast to a large extent. Those 
boats shouldn't be going out in strong offshore conditions. Witness the Bermuda 
Race three years ago where even 72-footers didn't start because they thought it 
was going to be rough. 
But C are much more robust. The masts on my 40 and my Dads 27 were trees. 
The masthead rig on my current boat is less strong, but still designed for use 
on an ocean going yacht. My plan for very strong conditions is to drop the main 
completely and run a hank-on storm jib on my inner forestay. To stabilize the 
mast I will have the babystay and backstay tight enough to induce aft bend but 
they won't be totally wound on. The running back stays, which support the mast 
at the third set of spreaders where the inner forestay attaches, will be pretty 
tight to prevent the mast pumping, keep the inner forestry tight, and prevent 
the inner forestay from pulling the mast forward.
My experience doesn't extend to the Tartan built C but the others should be 
just fine sailing without the main in any conditions you're likely to encounter.
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

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http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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> On Mar 18, 2019, at 16:18, Morgan Ellis via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I would love to hear Mr. Ball chime in on this thread, if possible, from a 
> mast design point of view. I have been told by a very experienced offshore 
> sailor and the instructor of Offshore Sea Survival courses, that the masts 
> are designed to have a mainsail hoisted and are not stable or properly 
> supported without it. The instructor stated that if you were to drop the main 
> because of high winds that you should be hoisting a storm sail in its place, 
> if for no other reason than to support the mast. Since then the only time I 
> will run on jib alone is in light air drifting around the harbour for an 
> evening pleasure cruise.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Morgan Ellis
> s/v Meandher 
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Stus-List Gybing a headsail

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

As Andy Burton alluded, the secret to gybing a headsail, particularly a
large overlapping genoa, is to keep the tack close to the mast.  You need
to ease the old sheet while hauling in the new one keeping tension on both
sheets.  If you let the tack go forward, it may well wrap on the forestay.

I store Touche's anchor on the pulpit with the stock up and the shank
down.  If I don't keep the tack close to the mast, the genoa inevitably
fouls on the anchor stock.  :(

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Morgan, I have heard this also, but I believe it depends on the unique 
characteristics of the boat/mast.  Fireball a C 35 Mk 2 has taken some 
pretty powerful unintentional jibes and spinnaker unloading and loading 
while racing.  The 35 Mk2 really has a telephone pole for a mast and in 
these cases do not think the mainsail helps but also adds to the 
problem. In a jibe it is also unloading as it passes centerline, then 
loads with all the pressure being offset to a side but fwd on the mast.  
A very jarring/shuddering experience. Never have I turned around to see 
what the psi on the backstay reads, too concerned to steering the boat 
under the sails.


For newer boats with fractional, lightweight/bendable mast this axiom 
may very well could be true.


My $0.02.

Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI



On 3/18/2019 4:18 PM, Morgan Ellis via CnC-List wrote:
I would love to hear Mr. Ball chime in on this thread, if possible, 
from a mast design point of view. I have been told by a very 
experienced offshore sailor and the instructor of Offshore Sea 
Survival courses, that the masts are designed to have a mainsail 
hoisted and are not stable or properly supported without it. The 
instructor stated that if you were to drop the main because of high 
winds that you should be hoisting a storm sail in its place, if for no 
other reason than to support the mast. Since then the only time I will 
run on jib alone is in light air drifting around the harbour for an 
evening pleasure cruise.


Regards,

Morgan Ellis
s/v Meandher

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Morgan Ellis via CnC-List]

I would love to hear Mr. Ball chime in on this thread, if possible, from a
mast design point of view. I have been told by a very experienced offshore
sailor and the instructor of Offshore Sea Survival courses, that the masts
are designed to have a mainsail hoisted and are not stable or properly
supported without it. The instructor stated that if you were to drop the
main because of high winds that you should be hoisting a storm sail in its
place, if for no other reason than to support the mast. Since then the only
time I will run on jib alone is in light air drifting around the harbour
for an evening pleasure cruise.

Regards,

Morgan Ellis
s/v Meandher
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Re: Stus-List Gybe with jib alone

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Daniel,
great idea. thanks.

Btw. hide from the CnC list police for not changing the subject line.

Marek

From: Daniel Sheer via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 14:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Daniel Sheer
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 158, Issue 44

Here's my two cents. I almost never use the main - at all - in heavy wind, 
upwind or downwind. I roller furl till it's comfortable, and that's that. To 
jibe single handed, I first wrap the jib on the opposite side, pull out all the 
slack and then a bit more, and cleat it - easy with a self-tailer.  Then I 
jibe. The now short sheet on the opposing side keeps the jib from wrapping. 
Then I set the autopilot to hold heading and trim the sail. Been doing this for 
a long time, locking the tiller or wheel when there was no autopilot.

Dan Sheer
Pegathy - LF38
Rock Creek off the Patapsco


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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 158, Issue 44

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

 Here's my two cents. I almost never use the main - at all - in heavy wind, 
upwind or downwind. I roller furl till it's comfortable, and that's that. To 
jibe single handed, I first wrap the jib on the opposite side, pull out all the 
slack and then a bit more, and cleat it - easy with a self-tailer.  Then I 
jibe. The now short sheet on the opposing side keeps the jib from wrapping. 
Then I set the autopilot to hold heading and trim the sail. Been doing this for 
a long time, locking the tiller or wheel when there was no autopilot. 

Dan SheerPegathy - LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re:  [EXTERNAL]  Re:  Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake
      (Della Barba, Joe)
  2.  Headsail only in strong winds astern (cenel...@aol.com)
  3. Re:  Headsail only in strong winds astern (Marek Dziedzic)
  4. Re:  [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern
      (Della Barba, Joe)


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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:08:28 +
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Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]  Re:  Gybe preventer, now Boom
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That too. We had an awesome run down the Severn with the wind blowing 55+ and 
ripping foam off the wavetops and throwing it up in the trees ashore. We didn't 
even think about the main, the working jib alone gave us a steady 10-11 knots 
boatspeed. Everything was going great until we had to turn around and then 
discovered our speed under motor was about 0.5 knots!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

Or leave the main down downwind.  Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry about 
jibing,  main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will cause more 
helm and worry.

Jib alone is so simple.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650
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Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern.?
OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some ofthe 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only 
a head sail is flown.
Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).
Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC 36 XL/kcb

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Sounds fun.
The spinnaker is easier. I fly it asym and my sheet are long enough to let fly 
ahead of the boat and pull it in on the other side.
The genoa usually takes some course adjusting to pop it loose on the new side.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 2:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

I just sailed Masquerade around from Peter Island to the Bight on Norman, 
downwind for a good part of it and gybing a few times to stay near the shore, 
sightseeing. I was lazing along with just the jib. The trick to gybing the jib 
is to let the old sheet out so the clew just clears the babystay (not very 
much). At this point I have a sheet in each hand (via the winch of course) and 
steer with a knee. Pull on the new sheet to get the clew on centerline against 
the babystay with tension on both sheets. Then alter course as little as 
possible to fill the sail on the new gybe. Let the old sheet go and pull in on 
the new. With a 135 or 150 genoa you may find it helps to furl it up most of 
the way before you gybe. It doesn't have to be a neat furl because as soon as 
the sail fills on the new gybe you're going to unfurl it again.
Andy


Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI
USA02842

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Mar 18, 2019, at 13:16, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The furling idea is not a bad one.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

Interesting comments about sailing with jib (genoa) alone.

I tend to avoid DDW courses, if I could help it.

Personally, I find it easier, especially, when shorthanded, to gybe with both 
sails up (the jib is shadowed by the main and I claim that I have the manoeuvre 
of gybing the main reasonably well rehearsed).

I freely admit that I have problems gybing singlehanded with the jib alone when 
it is windy (25+). With two people (one at the helm, one at the sheet) it is 
not a problem, but single handed, I always have problems with the jib either 
trying to wrap around the forestay or flapping in the wind incessantly. I don’t 
have the autohelm to help.

Do you have some ideas how to do it correctly (or well)? On a couple of 
occasions I simply furled it in and unfurled on the other tack. But this is 
almost like a chicken gybe. Any ideas?

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 12:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern.

OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some of
the 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only a head sail is flown.

Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake
That too. We had an awesome run down the Severn with the wind blowing 55+ and 
ripping foam off the wavetops and throwing it up in the trees ashore. We didn’t 
even think about the main, the working jib alone gave us a steady 10-11 knots 
boatspeed. Everything was going great until we had to turn around and then 
discovered our speed under motor was about 0.5 knots!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

Or leave the main down downwind.   Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry 
about jibing,  main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will cause 
more helm and worry.

Jib alone is so simple.

David F. Risch, J. D.
Gulf Stream Associates, LLC
(401) 419-4650

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I just sailed Masquerade around from Peter Island to the Bight on Norman, 
downwind for a good part of it and gybing a few times to stay near the shore, 
sightseeing. I was lazing along with just the jib. The trick to gybing the jib 
is to let the old sheet out so the clew just clears the babystay (not very 
much). At this point I have a sheet in each hand (via the winch of course) and 
steer with a knee. Pull on the new sheet to get the clew on centerline against 
the babystay with tension on both sheets. Then alter course as little as 
possible to fill the sail on the new gybe. Let the old sheet go and pull in on 
the new. With a 135 or 150 genoa you may find it helps to furl it up most of 
the way before you gybe. It doesn't have to be a neat furl because as soon as 
the sail fills on the new gybe you're going to unfurl it again. 
Andy


Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 18, 2019, at 13:16, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The furling idea is not a bad one.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
> Dziedzic via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 1:03 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern
>  
> Interesting comments about sailing with jib (genoa) alone.
>  
> I tend to avoid DDW courses, if I could help it.
>  
> Personally, I find it easier, especially, when shorthanded, to gybe with both 
> sails up (the jib is shadowed by the main and I claim that I have the 
> manoeuvre of gybing the main reasonably well rehearsed).
>  
> I freely admit that I have problems gybing singlehanded with the jib alone 
> when it is windy (25+). With two people (one at the helm, one at the sheet) 
> it is not a problem, but single handed, I always have problems with the jib 
> either trying to wrap around the forestay or flapping in the wind 
> incessantly. I don’t have the autohelm to help.
>  
> Do you have some ideas how to do it correctly (or well)? On a couple of 
> occasions I simply furled it in and unfurled on the other tack. But this is 
> almost like a chicken gybe. Any ideas?
>  
> Marek
> 1994 C270 Legato
> Ottawa, ON
>  
> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 12:26
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> Subject: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern
>  
> Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern. 
>  
> OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern 
> wind is 30+ knots even with some of
> the 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only a head sail is flown.
>  
> Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
> addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity 
> storm if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).
>  
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> C 36 XL/kcb
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 12:09 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake
> 
> That too. We had an awesome run down the Severn with the wind blowing 55+ and 
> ripping foam off the wavetops and throwing it up in the trees ashore. We 
> didn’t even think about the main, the working jib alone gave us a steady 
> 10-11 knots boatspeed. Everything was going great until we had to turn around 
> and then discovered our speed under motor was about 0.5 knots!
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:53 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: David 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake
>  
> Or leave the main down downwind.   Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry 
> about jibing,  main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will 
> cause more helm and worry.
>  
> Jib alone is so simple.
>  
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC 
> (401) 419-4650
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The furling idea is not a bad one.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 1:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

Interesting comments about sailing with jib (genoa) alone.

I tend to avoid DDW courses, if I could help it.

Personally, I find it easier, especially, when shorthanded, to gybe with both 
sails up (the jib is shadowed by the main and I claim that I have the manoeuvre 
of gybing the main reasonably well rehearsed).

I freely admit that I have problems gybing singlehanded with the jib alone when 
it is windy (25+). With two people (one at the helm, one at the sheet) it is 
not a problem, but single handed, I always have problems with the jib either 
trying to wrap around the forestay or flapping in the wind incessantly. I don’t 
have the autohelm to help.

Do you have some ideas how to do it correctly (or well)? On a couple of 
occasions I simply furled it in and unfurled on the other tack. But this is 
almost like a chicken gybe. Any ideas?

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 12:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern.

OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some of
the 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only a head sail is flown.

Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake
That too. We had an awesome run down the Severn with the wind blowing 55+ and 
ripping foam off the wavetops and throwing it up in the trees ashore. We didn’t 
even think about the main, the working jib alone gave us a steady 10-11 knots 
boatspeed. Everything was going great until we had to turn around and then 
discovered our speed under motor was about 0.5 knots!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

Or leave the main down downwind.   Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry 
about jibing,  main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will cause 
more helm and worry.

Jib alone is so simple.

David F. Risch, J. D.
Gulf Stream Associates, LLC
(401) 419-4650
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Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Interesting comments about sailing with jib (genoa) alone.

I tend to avoid DDW courses, if I could help it.

Personally, I find it easier, especially, when shorthanded, to gybe with both 
sails up (the jib is shadowed by the main and I claim that I have the manoeuvre 
of gybing the main reasonably well rehearsed).

I freely admit that I have problems gybing singlehanded with the jib alone when 
it is windy (25+). With two people (one at the helm, one at the sheet) it is 
not a problem, but single handed, I always have problems with the jib either 
trying to wrap around the forestay or flapping in the wind incessantly. I don’t 
have the autohelm to help.

Do you have some ideas how to do it correctly (or well)? On a couple of 
occasions I simply furled it in and unfurled on the other tack. But this is 
almost like a chicken gybe. Any ideas?

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 12:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern.

OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some of
the 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only a head sail is flown.

Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb


-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

That too. We had an awesome run down the Severn with the wind blowing 55+ and 
ripping foam off the wavetops and throwing it up in the trees ashore. We didn’t 
even think about the main, the working jib alone gave us a steady 10-11 knots 
boatspeed. Everything was going great until we had to turn around and then 
discovered our speed under motor was about 0.5 knots!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

Or leave the main down downwind.   Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry 
about jibing,  main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will cause 
more helm and worry.

Jib alone is so simple.

David F. Risch, J. D.
Gulf Stream Associates, LLC
(401) 419-4650
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Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern. 
OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some ofthe 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only 
a head sail is flown.
Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).
Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC 36 XL/kcb

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

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blowing 55+ and ripping foam off the wavetops and throwing it up in the trees 
ashore. We didn’t even think about the main, the working jib alone gave us a 
steady 10-11 knots boatspeed. Everything was going great until we had to turn 
around and then discovered our speed under motor was about 0.5 knots!       Joe 
Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I          From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of David via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake    Or leave 
the main down downwind.   Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry about jibing, 
 main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will cause more helm and 
worry.    Jib alone is so simple.    David F. Risch, J. D. Gulf Stream 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

That too. We had an awesome run down the Severn with the wind blowing 55+ and 
ripping foam off the wavetops and throwing it up in the trees ashore. We didn't 
even think about the main, the working jib alone gave us a steady 10-11 knots 
boatspeed. Everything was going great until we had to turn around and then 
discovered our speed under motor was about 0.5 knots!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

Or leave the main down downwind.   Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry 
about jibing,  main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will cause 
more helm and worry.

Jib alone is so simple.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Running hard under chute at night barely being able to hold the boat, we came 
to the point we had to gybe. We felt extremely unmanly dropping the chute, 
hauling the main in, letting the main out on the other side, and raising the 
chute again.
What kind of racer does THIS? This is something cruisers do when not reading 
AARP brochures :(
Turns out we GAINED a few places over boats that had sail wrecking wraps and 
rigging disasters doing it the normal way :)


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

Or, you can chicken jibe, something I believe I will be doing more of in the 
future.

Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA

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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[David via CnC-List]

Or leave the main down downwind.   Anytime it blowing hard enough to worry 
about jibing,  main is probably not going to add alot of speed, but will cause 
more helm and worry.

Jib alone is so simple.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Bill Coleman via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake


Or, you can chicken jibe, something I believe I will be doing more of in the 
future.



Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA



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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:03 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake



Since I posted this, I have been doing some research on Cruisers Forum.  THere 
are a number of people who use the Dutchman, swear by them, have installed them 
on multiple boats and would not have a boat without one.  I suspect it is one 
of those devices that once you learn how to use it, you find it essential.  
Watching videos of it in action, I can see its utility, especially for 
single/short handed racing and cruising.  First, it can act as a preventer, 
which eliminates the need for both.  Without a brake, when you gybe in heavier 
air and you are trying to pull the main in to reduce the swing force, and so 
your steering angle becomes increasingly critical to not gybe, plus your speed 
decreases increasing the wind pressure on the main.  The longer it takes you to 
pull in the main, the worse the problem and with a big purchase mainsheet, that 
can be alot of line.  I raced single handed  once last season in 20 knots and 
did a autopilot gybe that worked out fine but was hairy enough to scare me.  
With the Dutchman, you wait for max speed or a lull, gybe the boat and genoa, 
then release the brake to allow the boom to slowly swing over.  At least in 
theory, it is much more controlled.If you are confident of your brake 
setting, you could simply gybe and let the brake do its job, but that would 
take some testing to work out.  I still think this is an option worth 
considering for those of us who tend to sail shorthanded.  Dave



1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Or, you can chicken jibe, something I believe I will be doing more of in the
future.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:03 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

 

Since I posted this, I have been doing some research on Cruisers Forum.
THere are a number of people who use the Dutchman, swear by them, have
installed them on multiple boats and would not have a boat without one.  I
suspect it is one of those devices that once you learn how to use it, you
find it essential.  Watching videos of it in action, I can see its utility,
especially for single/short handed racing and cruising.  First, it can act
as a preventer, which eliminates the need for both.  Without a brake, when
you gybe in heavier air and you are trying to pull the main in to reduce the
swing force, and so your steering angle becomes increasingly critical to not
gybe, plus your speed decreases increasing the wind pressure on the main.
The longer it takes you to pull in the main, the worse the problem and with
a big purchase mainsheet, that can be alot of line.  I raced single handed
once last season in 20 knots and did a autopilot gybe that worked out fine
but was hairy enough to scare me.  With the Dutchman, you wait for max speed
or a lull, gybe the boat and genoa, then release the brake to allow the boom
to slowly swing over.  At least in theory, it is much more controlled.If
you are confident of your brake setting, you could simply gybe and let the
brake do its job, but that would take some testing to work out.  I still
think this is an option worth considering for those of us who tend to sail
shorthanded.  Dave

 

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List Gybe preventer, now Boom Brake

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Since I posted this, I have been doing some research on Cruisers Forum.  THere 
are a number of people who use the Dutchman, swear by them, have installed them 
on multiple boats and would not have a boat without one.  I suspect it is one 
of those devices that once you learn how to use it, you find it essential.  
Watching videos of it in action, I can see its utility, especially for 
single/short handed racing and cruising.  First, it can act as a preventer, 
which eliminates the need for both.  Without a brake, when you gybe in heavier 
air and you are trying to pull the main in to reduce the swing force, and so 
your steering angle becomes increasingly critical to not gybe, plus your speed 
decreases increasing the wind pressure on the main.  The longer it takes you to 
pull in the main, the worse the problem and with a big purchase mainsheet, that 
can be alot of line.  I raced single handed  once last season in 20 knots and 
did a autopilot gybe that worked out fine but was hairy enough to scare me.  
With the Dutchman, you wait for max speed or a lull, gybe the boat and genoa, 
then release the brake to allow the boom to slowly swing over.  At least in 
theory, it is much more controlled.If you are confident of your brake 
setting, you could simply gybe and let the brake do its job, but that would 
take some testing to work out.  I still think this is an option worth 
considering for those of us who tend to sail shorthanded.  Dave

1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List 29MKII Introduction and questions: Water intrusion; Wiring Diagram; Line Lengths

[schiller via CnC-List]

For running rigging lengths, I recommend Cajun Ropes.  They will list 
the lengths of all the lines for your boat.  We bought a full rigging 
kit from them last year and are very pleased.  Only problem we had with 
the lines was getting the lubricant off for the clutches to grip better. 
www.cajunropes.com.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Crosswinds Marine, Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 3/18/2019 2:46 AM, Jeremy Heather via CnC-List wrote:


Hello everyone! We are the proud new owners of S/V Storm King, a 1983 
C 29MKII, Hull# 201. I’ve been following this thread since having 
been introduced to it by my friend, fellow club member and fellow 
29MKII owner shortly after purchasing our new girl last November. She 
comes to us in pretty good shape from another club member who has 
owned her for the past 13 or 14 years.


My biggest immediate concerns are her windows in the main saloon and 
the water collecting in the bilge as she sits on the hard for the 
winter. My friend with his ’86 MKII seems to experience a similar 
issue. I can find no obvious source of the water, but every couple of 
weeks I have to pump a few gallons of water out of the bilge. Does 
anyone else have this issue and any possible leads on the source of 
the water? It seems quite significant, considering. The hull/deck seal 
appears to be in excellent shape everywhere that I have checked, and I 
see no traces of leaks from any deck fittings. The mast boot is in 
excellent shape. The foredeck does have a considerable amount of 
softness around the babystay and anchor locker that will need to be 
addressed in the near future, but, again, no obvious signs of 
significant water intrusion to the cabin. As I mentioned, the windows 
in the saloon are completely shot and must be replaced before this 
season. I have done a bit of research on the Photo Album site and 
understand this is not the easiest job. I hope to have the assistance 
of another club member and previous owner of the other 29MKII in 
replacing the windows. The boat is covered by a tarp for the winter, 
so there is no water intrusion through the windows at the moment, 
though there certainly will be when the cover is removed. Any advice 
would be gratefully received.


I’m also in search of a wiring diagram for the vessel. I have ordered 
the owner’s manual from Stu and I’m hoping I will find something 
there. If anyone has a copy of the diagram they would be willing to 
share, please let me know. The panel was replaced a number of years 
ago, but, save the VHF, there appears to be no functioning electrical 
in the mast.


Lastly, the control lines for the mainsail will have to be replaced 
this year. Does anyone know where I can find a listing of the line 
lengths for the outhaul, Cunningham, reefing, mainsheet, etc? Most of 
the control lines are missing, with the exception of the mainsheet, so 
I have no way of measuring the old lines. All I have been able to 
deduce is that they are all or mostly internal. May prove tricky to 
install.


I look forward to hearing from you all and your wealth of knowledge. 
My wife and I are thrilled to have the opportunity to join the C 
family as we have admired the make from afar for a number of years. We 
just moved up to the 29 from our first boat, a wonderful little ’78 
Catalina 25 that we completely restored. She taught us everything we 
know, but now we feel like we have a grown-up boat.


Thanks in advance!

Jeremy & Heather

S/V Storm King

Fleet Captain, Chelsea Yacht Club

Newbugh, NY


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Re: Stus-List 29MKII Introduction and questions: Water intrusion; Wiring Diagram; Line Lengths

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

Hi Jeremy - 
I have an ‘84 MkII and appreciate your comments ! Experienced all ...mixed luck 
fixing all. 
I have the original wiring diagrams etc as received the owners manual when I 
purchased her yrs ago from the original owner. 
Pm me off list and I can send that as well as rigging or other info you my 
need. 
R
Tom
“Therapy”
Solomons, MD 

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> On Mar 18, 2019, at 2:46 AM, Jeremy Heather via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone! We are the proud new owners of S/V Storm King, a 1983 C 
> 29MKII, Hull# 201. I’ve been following this thread since having been 
> introduced to it by my friend, fellow club member and fellow 29MKII owner 
> shortly after purchasing our new girl last November. She comes to us in 
> pretty good shape from another club member who has owned her for the past 13 
> or 14 years.
>  
> My biggest immediate concerns are her windows in the main saloon and the 
> water collecting in the bilge as she sits on the hard for the winter. My 
> friend with his ’86 MKII seems to experience a similar issue. I can find no 
> obvious source of the water, but every couple of weeks I have to pump a few 
> gallons of water out of the bilge. Does anyone else have this issue and any 
> possible leads on the source of the water? It seems quite significant, 
> considering. The hull/deck seal appears to be in excellent shape everywhere 
> that I have checked, and I see no traces of leaks from any deck fittings. The 
> mast boot is in excellent shape. The foredeck does have a considerable amount 
> of softness around the babystay and anchor locker that will need to be 
> addressed in the near future, but, again, no obvious signs of significant 
> water intrusion to the cabin. As I mentioned, the windows in the saloon are 
> completely shot and must be replaced before this season. I have done a bit of 
> research on the Photo Album site and understand this is not the easiest job. 
> I hope to have the assistance of another club member and previous owner of 
> the other 29MKII in replacing the windows. The boat is covered by a tarp for 
> the winter, so there is no water intrusion through the windows at the moment, 
> though there certainly will be when the cover is removed. Any advice would be 
> gratefully received.
>  
> I’m also in search of a wiring diagram for the vessel. I have ordered the 
> owner’s manual from Stu and I’m hoping I will find something there. If anyone 
> has a copy of the diagram they would be willing to share, please let me know. 
> The panel was replaced a number of years ago, but, save the VHF, there 
> appears to be no functioning electrical in the mast.
>  
> Lastly, the control lines for the mainsail will have to be replaced this 
> year. Does anyone know where I can find a listing of the line lengths for the 
> outhaul, Cunningham, reefing, mainsheet, etc? Most of the control lines are 
> missing, with the exception of the mainsheet, so I have no way of measuring 
> the old lines. All I have been able to deduce is that they are all or mostly 
> internal. May prove tricky to install.
>  
> I look forward to hearing from you all and your wealth of knowledge. My wife 
> and I are thrilled to have the opportunity to join the C family as we have 
> admired the make from afar for a number of years. We just moved up to the 29 
> from our first boat, a wonderful little ’78 Catalina 25 that we completely 
> restored. She taught us everything we know, but now we feel like we have a 
> grown-up boat.
>  
> Thanks in advance!
> Jeremy & Heather
> S/V Storm King
> Fleet Captain, Chelsea Yacht Club
> Newbugh, NY
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Re: Stus-List 29MKII Introduction and questions: Water intrusion; Wiring Diagram; Line Lengths

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Hello and welcome.  I don't have a 29 so my comments are more of a
generalization than specific to your boat.

With keel stepped masts water will come down the mast.  You can use
different food colorings and/or paper towels to help locate the source of
water intrusion.

Many of the C windows don't have a frame and are simply surface glued to
the fiberglass whole.  If this is the case for you then the most widely
accepted repair is 3M VHB tape and DOW 795 sealant.  More details upon
request.

Many of the masts have a conduit to keep the wires protected.  Check to see
if you can find it in your boat.

As for control line length, the owners manual might provide a guide but any
of the POs could have easily re-routed or relocated lines or line leads.  I
would just use a piece of small stuff and route it the way you like and
then measure.  Add a foot or 2  (or 10) and buy.  Not having any lines
gives you a blank slate.  You can color coordinate as needed.  I use green
schemes for main sail controls.  Blue for headsail, and red for spinacker.
Solid colors for halyards, various flecks for everything else.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 2:46 AM Jeremy Heather via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone! We are the proud new owners of S/V Storm King, a 1983 C
> 29MKII, Hull# 201. I’ve been following this thread since having been
> introduced to it by my friend, fellow club member and fellow 29MKII owner
> shortly after purchasing our new girl last November. She comes to us in
> pretty good shape from another club member who has owned her for the past
> 13 or 14 years.
>
>
>
> My biggest immediate concerns are her windows in the main saloon and the
> water collecting in the bilge as she sits on the hard for the winter. My
> friend with his ’86 MKII seems to experience a similar issue. I can find no
> obvious source of the water, but every couple of weeks I have to pump a few
> gallons of water out of the bilge. Does anyone else have this issue and any
> possible leads on the source of the water? It seems quite significant,
> considering. The hull/deck seal appears to be in excellent shape everywhere
> that I have checked, and I see no traces of leaks from any deck fittings.
> The mast boot is in excellent shape. The foredeck does have a considerable
> amount of softness around the babystay and anchor locker that will need to
> be addressed in the near future, but, again, no obvious signs of
> significant water intrusion to the cabin. As I mentioned, the windows in
> the saloon are completely shot and must be replaced before this season. I
> have done a bit of research on the Photo Album site and understand this is
> not the easiest job. I hope to have the assistance of another club member
> and previous owner of the other 29MKII in replacing the windows. The boat
> is covered by a tarp for the winter, so there is no water intrusion through
> the windows at the moment, though there certainly will be when the cover is
> removed. Any advice would be gratefully received.
>
>
>
> I’m also in search of a wiring diagram for the vessel. I have ordered the
> owner’s manual from Stu and I’m hoping I will find something there. If
> anyone has a copy of the diagram they would be willing to share, please let
> me know. The panel was replaced a number of years ago, but, save the VHF,
> there appears to be no functioning electrical in the mast.
>
>
>
> Lastly, the control lines for the mainsail will have to be replaced this
> year. Does anyone know where I can find a listing of the line lengths for
> the outhaul, Cunningham, reefing, mainsheet, etc? Most of the control lines
> are missing, with the exception of the mainsheet, so I have no way of
> measuring the old lines. All I have been able to deduce is that they are
> all or mostly internal. May prove tricky to install.
>
>
>
> I look forward to hearing from you all and your wealth of knowledge. My
> wife and I are thrilled to have the opportunity to join the C family as
> we have admired the make from afar for a number of years. We just moved up
> to the 29 from our first boat, a wonderful little ’78 Catalina 25 that we
> completely restored. She taught us everything we know, but now we feel like
> we have a grown-up boat.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jeremy & Heather
>
> S/V Storm King
>
> Fleet Captain, Chelsea Yacht Club
>
> Newbugh, NY
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>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
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Stus-List 29MKII Introduction and questions: Water intrusion; Wiring Diagram; Line Lengths

[Jeremy Heather via CnC-List]

Hello everyone! We are the proud new owners of S/V Storm King, a 1983 C 
29MKII, Hull# 201. I’ve been following this thread since having been introduced 
to it by my friend, fellow club member and fellow 29MKII owner shortly after 
purchasing our new girl last November. She comes to us in pretty good shape 
from another club member who has owned her for the past 13 or 14 years.

My biggest immediate concerns are her windows in the main saloon and the water 
collecting in the bilge as she sits on the hard for the winter. My friend with 
his ’86 MKII seems to experience a similar issue. I can find no obvious source 
of the water, but every couple of weeks I have to pump a few gallons of water 
out of the bilge. Does anyone else have this issue and any possible leads on 
the source of the water? It seems quite significant, considering. The hull/deck 
seal appears to be in excellent shape everywhere that I have checked, and I see 
no traces of leaks from any deck fittings. The mast boot is in excellent shape. 
The foredeck does have a considerable amount of softness around the babystay 
and anchor locker that will need to be addressed in the near future, but, 
again, no obvious signs of significant water intrusion to the cabin. As I 
mentioned, the windows in the saloon are completely shot and must be replaced 
before this season. I have done a bit of research on the Photo Album site and 
understand this is not the easiest job. I hope to have the assistance of 
another club member and previous owner of the other 29MKII in replacing the 
windows. The boat is covered by a tarp for the winter, so there is no water 
intrusion through the windows at the moment, though there certainly will be 
when the cover is removed. Any advice would be gratefully received.

I’m also in search of a wiring diagram for the vessel. I have ordered the 
owner’s manual from Stu and I’m hoping I will find something there. If anyone 
has a copy of the diagram they would be willing to share, please let me know. 
The panel was replaced a number of years ago, but, save the VHF, there appears 
to be no functioning electrical in the mast.

Lastly, the control lines for the mainsail will have to be replaced this year. 
Does anyone know where I can find a listing of the line lengths for the 
outhaul, Cunningham, reefing, mainsheet, etc? Most of the control lines are 
missing, with the exception of the mainsheet, so I have no way of measuring the 
old lines. All I have been able to deduce is that they are all or mostly 
internal. May prove tricky to install.

I look forward to hearing from you all and your wealth of knowledge. My wife 
and I are thrilled to have the opportunity to join the C family as we have 
admired the make from afar for a number of years. We just moved up to the 29 
from our first boat, a wonderful little ’78 Catalina 25 that we completely 
restored. She taught us everything we know, but now we feel like we have a 
grown-up boat.

Thanks in advance!
Jeremy & Heather
S/V Storm King
Fleet Captain, Chelsea Yacht Club
Newbugh, NY
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