Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That looks like a fun day – videos never look as snowy, or as windy as they 
really were, but you can tell by the heel and that little handkerchief it was a 
breezy day – I hope you didn’t have to go upwind after that, because you 
wouldn’t have with that little bit of sail ! 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bailey White
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

 

I went sailing with friends recently in heavy air and the winds built to 35 to 
40 on my old C 36.  I had thought I would set a reefed main but found instead 
that I kept rolling the #3 up instead and never wanted for a main. The helm 
still felt good.

 

Here is a quick video a friend took that day:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7eivusac7qf9s/heavyairupwind.mov?dl=0

 

Please forgive the fender that rolled overboard and dragged in the video, the 
sail trim, etc.  I know better but was busy with non-sailing friends and happy 
to keep everyone safe.  

 

The boat performed well and pumping the backstay kept the jib from being too 
full.  I only regret that I did not furl enough soon enough and did not furl 
enough overall even though I was at probably 50% furl. That was the most wind 
I've sailed this boat in.

 

I think the sturdy masthead rig is good without a main if need be.  A main 
would help reduce backstay loading as part of the load would be transmitted 
through the mainsheet.  My mainsheet is on the cabin top and doesn't have the 
leverage of the backstay though.  

 

I believe it was Dennis who mentioned he sailed in 50+ downwind.  wow.  I 
haven't gotten this boat going that fast.  I am a big fan of jib only in heavy 
air downwind.  

 

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Re: Stus-List C 25 mark 1 1973 slippery non skid

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Sand e3ck and apply kiwifruit grip. Will be great and look even better

The 25-1 is a fabulous boat. Congratulations

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

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Sent: March 19, 2019 10:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C 25 mark 1 1973 slippery non skid

You could try Aurora Marine's Sure Step first.  A paste wax that is supposed to 
restore non slip.  tried some on our old Southcoast 23.  Seemed to work pretty 
well.  Sold her shortly after application to buy our Redwing 35 (C 35-1) so I 
didn't get a feel for how long it lasted.  I am a fan of Aurora products.  
Richard Kittar, the owner used to hang out on the list way back when.

Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Crosswinds Marine, Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 3/19/2019 7:11 PM, alain hogue via CnC-List wrote:
I just bought a C 25 mark 1 1973 and my non skid is very slippery when I am 
working on deck barefoot. Do you have somekind of trick to make it less 
slippery because I dont want to paint it with Kiwigrip and I want to keep the 
original gelcoat on it

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Re: Stus-List C 25 mark 1 1973 slippery non skid

[schiller via CnC-List]

You could try Aurora Marine's Sure Step first.  A paste wax that is 
supposed to restore non slip.  tried some on our old Southcoast 23.  
Seemed to work pretty well.  Sold her shortly after application to buy 
our Redwing 35 (C 35-1) so I didn't get a feel for how long it 
lasted.  I am a fan of Aurora products.  Richard Kittar, the owner used 
to hang out on the list way back when.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Crosswinds Marine, Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC

On 3/19/2019 7:11 PM, alain hogue via CnC-List wrote:


I just bought a C 25 mark 1 1973 and _my non skid is very slippery_ 
when I am working on deck barefoot. Do you have somekind of trick to 
make it less slippery because I dont want to paint it with Kiwigrip 
and I want to keep the original gelcoat on it


Provenance : Courrier  
pour Windows 10



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Re: Stus-List C 25 mark 1 1973 slippery non skid

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Kiwi can be tinted by any paint shop...home depot, Lowe's, etc...and a few 
years ago kiwi would give a guarantee...happy or replace.
Did my cockpit sole 5 years ago, still looks like original I think...get a 
handful of color cards and match yours,take kiwi to home depot and you will be 
happy
Bill Walker 
C 36
Pentwater, Mi..

Bill Walker 
On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 Charlie Nelson via CnC-List  
wrote:
I appreciate your desire to keep the original gel coat but I have had the yard 
do the ‘standard’ application using gel coat similar to Dennis’ suggestion. 
A few years later it needed it again and I had them use Kiwi. It is now about 6 
years out and it’s still good—plus it’s easy for me to apply when needed to 
limited areas.
Of course my deck is white so the Kiwi white matched well. Don’t know if Kiwi 
can be tinted but it may be worth a call to them. 
I doubt any of the mixtures of gelcoat plus x, y or z roughening agents will 
hold up/last as long as Kiwi.
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom

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wrote:

The best answer is to re-new the gelcoat nonskid.  Tape the are, mix colloidal 
silica with the gelcoat and roll it on with a honeycomb roller.
https://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HH010418-Wizard-Finishing-Honeycomb/dp/B00DDNNZEY

Barring that, try surfboard wax:  https://www.sexwax.com/
Dennis C.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:12 PM alain hogue via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I just bought a C 25 mark 1 1973 and my non skid is very slippery when I am 
working on deck barefoot. Do you have somekind of trick to make it less 
slippery because I dont want to paint it with Kiwigrip and I want to keep the 
original gelcoat on it

 

Provenance : Courrier pour Windows 10

 
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Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[robert via CnC-List]

Bailey,

The video doesn't look like conditions were heavy air downwind with a 
following seahead sail or main sail in those kind of conditions was 
the topicbut I agree, going upwind in a big breeze with a 100% jib 
works great on my boat.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2019-03-19 7:21 p.m., Bailey White via CnC-List wrote:
I went sailing with friends recently in heavy air and the winds built 
to 35 to 40 on my old C 36.  I had thought I would set a reefed main 
but found instead that I kept rolling the #3 up instead and never 
wanted for a main. The helm still felt good.


Here is a quick video a friend took that day:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7eivusac7qf9s/heavyairupwind.mov?dl=0

Please forgive the fender that rolled overboard and dragged in the 
video, the sail trim, etc.  I know better but was busy with 
non-sailing friends and happy to keep everyone safe.


The boat performed well and pumping the backstay kept the jib from 
being too full.  I only regret that I did not furl enough soon enough 
and did not furl enough overall even though I was at probably 50% 
furl. That was the most wind I've sailed this boat in.


I think the sturdy masthead rig is good without a main if need be.  A 
main would help reduce backstay loading as part of the load would be 
transmitted through the mainsheet.  My mainsheet is on the cabin top 
and doesn't have the leverage of the backstay though.


I believe it was Dennis who mentioned he sailed in 50+ downwind. 
 wow.  I haven't gotten this boat going that fast.  I am a big fan of 
jib only in heavy air downwind.



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Re: Stus-List C 25 mark 1 1973 slippery non skid

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I appreciate your desire to keep the original gel coat but I have had the yard 
do the ‘standard’ application using gel coat similar to Dennis’ suggestion. 
A few years later it needed it again and I had them use Kiwi. It is now about 6 
years out and it’s still good—plus it’s easy for me to apply when needed to 
limited areas.
Of course my deck is white so the Kiwi white matched well. Don’t know if Kiwi 
can be tinted but it may be worth a call to them. 
I doubt any of the mixtures of gelcoat plus x, y or z roughening agents will 
hold up/last as long as Kiwi.
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom

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wrote:

The best answer is to re-new the gelcoat nonskid.  Tape the are, mix colloidal 
silica with the gelcoat and roll it on with a honeycomb roller.
https://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HH010418-Wizard-Finishing-Honeycomb/dp/B00DDNNZEY

Barring that, try surfboard wax:  https://www.sexwax.com/
Dennis C.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:12 PM alain hogue via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I just bought a C 25 mark 1 1973 and my non skid is very slippery when I am 
working on deck barefoot. Do you have somekind of trick to make it less 
slippery because I dont want to paint it with Kiwigrip and I want to keep the 
original gelcoat on it

 

Provenance : Courrier pour Windows 10

 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I was the one going downwind in 50+. It was actually fun and easy. We set jib 
behind a cliff before being exposed to the full force of the wind and the waves 
were having the tops ripped off by the wind, so seas were not high. The boat 
balanced just fine with the working jib and held a steady 10-11 knots boatspeed.
What was NOT fun and easy was getting the sail down and getting back upwind. 
That was quite the wrestling match and I was glad to have a helper.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bailey White 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

I went sailing with friends recently in heavy air and the winds built to 35 to 
40 on my old C 36.  I had thought I would set a reefed main but found instead 
that I kept rolling the #3 up instead and never wanted for a main. The helm 
still felt good.

Here is a quick video a friend took that day:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7eivusac7qf9s/heavyairupwind.mov?dl=0

Please forgive the fender that rolled overboard and dragged in the video, the 
sail trim, etc.  I know better but was busy with non-sailing friends and happy 
to keep everyone safe.

The boat performed well and pumping the backstay kept the jib from being too 
full.  I only regret that I did not furl enough soon enough and did not furl 
enough overall even though I was at probably 50% furl. That was the most wind 
I've sailed this boat in.

I think the sturdy masthead rig is good without a main if need be.  A main 
would help reduce backstay loading as part of the load would be transmitted 
through the mainsheet.  My mainsheet is on the cabin top and doesn't have the 
leverage of the backstay though.

I believe it was Dennis who mentioned he sailed in 50+ downwind.  wow.  I 
haven't gotten this boat going that fast.  I am a big fan of jib only in heavy 
air downwind.

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Re: Stus-List C 25 mark 1 1973 slippery non skid

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The best answer is to re-new the gelcoat nonskid.  Tape the are, mix
colloidal silica with the gelcoat and roll it on with a honeycomb roller.

https://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HH010418-Wizard-Finishing-Honeycomb/dp/B00DDNNZEY

Barring that, try surfboard wax:  https://www.sexwax.com/

Dennis C.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:12 PM alain hogue via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I just bought a C 25 mark 1 1973 and * my non skid is very slippery*
> when I am working on deck barefoot. Do you have somekind of trick to make
> it less slippery because I dont want to paint it with Kiwigrip and I want
> to keep the original gelcoat on it
>
>
>
> Provenance : Courrier 
> pour Windows 10
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[alain hogue via CnC-List]

I just forgot to write my name on my message send to you minutes a go about the 
C 25 mark 1 non slippery deck

My name is Alain Hogue

thanks

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Stus-List C 25 mark 1 1973 slippery non skid

[alain hogue via CnC-List]

I just bought a C 25 mark 1 1973 and my non skid is very slippery when I am 
working on deck barefoot. Do you have somekind of trick to make it less 
slippery because I dont want to paint it with Kiwigrip and I want to keep the 
original gelcoat on it

Provenance : Courrier pour 
Windows 10

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Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Bailey White via CnC-List]

I went sailing with friends recently in heavy air and the winds built to 35
to 40 on my old C 36.  I had thought I would set a reefed main but found
instead that I kept rolling the #3 up instead and never wanted for a main.
The helm still felt good.

Here is a quick video a friend took that day:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7eivusac7qf9s/heavyairupwind.mov?dl=0

Please forgive the fender that rolled overboard and dragged in the video,
the sail trim, etc.  I know better but was busy with non-sailing friends
and happy to keep everyone safe.

The boat performed well and pumping the backstay kept the jib from being
too full.  I only regret that I did not furl enough soon enough and did not
furl enough overall even though I was at probably 50% furl. That was the
most wind I've sailed this boat in.

I think the sturdy masthead rig is good without a main if need be.  A main
would help reduce backstay loading as part of the load would be transmitted
through the mainsheet.  My mainsheet is on the cabin top and doesn't have
the leverage of the backstay though.

I believe it was Dennis who mentioned he sailed in 50+ downwind.  wow.  I
haven't gotten this boat going that fast.  I am a big fan of jib only in
heavy air downwind.
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Re: Stus-List physics of sailing with one sail

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I think the simple answer is; it won’t.

Marek

From: Barry Lenoble via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 14:41
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Barry Lenoble
Subject: Stus-List physics of sailing with one sail

Hello,


How would REDUCING sail area (taking the mast down) INCREASE the force on
the main?

Thanks
Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY




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Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[robert via CnC-List]

Don,

I have a 135% and use it most days alone most days without the 
main.I am now a lazy sailor.


I was specifically talking about downwind with a following sea. Downwind 
with a following sea in +20 knots, its the main alone for me.  Last 
Summer, I came in from about 8 miles out in this exact condition, 25 
knots true with a 3' following seatoo much sail with the jib 
unfurled and me single handed sailingrolled it up, main only doing 
5.8 to 6.1 knts on the GPSboat is well balanced, under control.


My traveler is on the cabin top in front of the companionway.my 
fingers are never going to get injured..my boom end is just to the 
front of the binnacle and I am not going to get hit in the head trimming 
from behind the binnacle.


Remember, not discussing going upwind.downwind in heavy air and 
following sea.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2019-03-19 3:29 p.m., Don Kern wrote:

Rob,

When I am out for a cruise I will use my roller furl only - upwind, 
reaching and downwind. A lot less hassle and i am not worried about 
someone losing their head to the boom or fingers to the main 
traveler.  The roller furl is 140% and most importantly the helm is 
balanced going upwind.  Main only, the boat is a dog upwind.


Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI



On 3/19/2019 1:56 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote:
Interesting comments for sailing down wind..my preference is to 
sail with the main aloneleave the jib furled.my boat, a 32, 
feels better balanced, better control of the sail, the bow is not 
being pulled downward, better helm.


Would I rather unfurl and furl a jib over hoisting and folding a 
main, you bet.but my boat preforms better with the main alone, or 
at the least, I think it does.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] physics of sailing with one sail

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

A bendy noodle mast might flex a lot without the main up. The sail holds the 
mast inline somewhat. Not a factor on my old boat.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Lenoble via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 2:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Barry Lenoble 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List physics of sailing with one sail

Hello,

Can someone please explain how sailing with a single sail, either head sail
or main sail, could INCREASE the load on the mast as compared to sailing
with two sails? It seems to me that the more sail area, the higher the load.
If you are sailing downwind with a headsail up I don't understand how adding
a mainsail could DECREASE the load on the mast. 

The way I look at it, when you are sailing downwind the load on the mast is
from behind the boat, pushing the mast forward. If you have a headsail up
the load will be at the mast head. If you have a mainsail some of the load
will be spread along the length of the mast, but always in a forward
direction, in addition to the load from the head sail.

How would REDUCING sail area (taking the mast down) INCREASE the force on
the main?

Thanks
Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY




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Stus-List physics of sailing with one sail

[Barry Lenoble via CnC-List]

Hello,

Can someone please explain how sailing with a single sail, either head sail
or main sail, could INCREASE the load on the mast as compared to sailing
with two sails? It seems to me that the more sail area, the higher the load.
If you are sailing downwind with a headsail up I don't understand how adding
a mainsail could DECREASE the load on the mast. 

The way I look at it, when you are sailing downwind the load on the mast is
from behind the boat, pushing the mast forward. If you have a headsail up
the load will be at the mast head. If you have a mainsail some of the load
will be spread along the length of the mast, but always in a forward
direction, in addition to the load from the head sail.

How would REDUCING sail area (taking the mast down) INCREASE the force on
the main?

Thanks
Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY




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Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Rob,

When I am out for a cruise I will use my roller furl only - upwind, 
reaching and downwind. A lot less hassle and i am not worried about 
someone losing their head to the boom or fingers to the main traveler.  
The roller furl is 140% and most importantly the helm is balanced going 
upwind.  Main only, the boat is a dog upwind.


Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk2
Bristol, RI



On 3/19/2019 1:56 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote:
Interesting comments for sailing down wind..my preference is to 
sail with the main aloneleave the jib furled.my boat, a 32, 
feels better balanced, better control of the sail, the bow is not 
being pulled downward, better helm.


Would I rather unfurl and furl a jib over hoisting and folding a main, 
you bet.but my boat preforms better with the main alone, or at the 
least, I think it does.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Many of our older boats have smaller, high aspect mains.  Unlike newer
designs, older C's are primarily headsail driven.

For a 35-1,

sail area of main = 260 sq. ft.  (0.5 x P x E)
Area of foretriangle = 320 sq. ft. (0.5 x I x J)

Headsail areas

100%  320 sq. ft.
135%  430 sq. ft.
155%  500 sq. ft.

Even with a 100% jib, there is more sail area.  Even considering the boom
stretches the sail flatter, a headsail is still a lot of power.

I suppose one could discuss CE vs CR with the different configurations but
that is primary relevant with regard to pointing ability and weather helm
when close hauled.

I can't remember the last time I sailed Touche' with only the main.  I
sometimes used main only to get a little push when motor sailing very close
to the wind.

Guess I'm lazy but I tend to sail genoa only a good portion of my casual
sailing time.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:57 PM robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Interesting comments for sailing down wind..my preference is to sail
> with the main aloneleave the jib furled.my boat, a 32, feels
> better balanced, better control of the sail, the bow is not being pulled
> downward, better helm.
>
> Would I rather unfurl and furl a jib over hoisting and folding a main,
> you bet.but my boat preforms better with the main alone, or at the
> least, I think it does.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
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Stus-List Head Re-furbishing...

[David via CnC-List]

So the galley refurb is going well so I am now looking at my very tired looking 
head.  Teak wood everywhere.   And later looking pretty sad.

Two questions.  Painting the primary wall and behind the head to add color and 
to make it a bit more sanitary.   In the process want to remove the hand rail 
on same wall if possible.   No  screws on the back wall and no plugs on the 
hand-rail.   Is the dang thing glued on?  Doubtful, but I do not see a 
attachment point.

And besides washing with TSP and sanding to bring back the remaining wood 
finish...any other secrets on the the interior bulkheads?

Thanks in advance.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650
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Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[robert via CnC-List]

Interesting comments for sailing down wind..my preference is to sail 
with the main aloneleave the jib furled.my boat, a 32, feels 
better balanced, better control of the sail, the bow is not being pulled 
downward, better helm.


Would I rather unfurl and furl a jib over hoisting and folding a main, 
you bet.but my boat preforms better with the main alone, or at the 
least, I think it does.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[David via CnC-List]

True that...and that's what makes it fun.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650


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via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern


Not so. When a race is 400-700 or more miles long, you get the weather you get.





Joe Della Barba

Coquina

C 35 MK I







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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern



Gentlemen may not sail to weather, but a wise sailor is probably not racing 
when there are gale warnings out…



A deep double reefed main and a small blade or storm headsail will get you to 
hull speed in those conditions, and greatly reduce the load on the rigging.



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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 12:25 PM
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Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern



Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern.



OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some of

the 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only a head sail is flown.



Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).



Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

C 36 XL/kcb


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Not so. When a race is 400-700 or more miles long, you get the weather you get.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I



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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

Gentlemen may not sail to weather, but a wise sailor is probably not racing 
when there are gale warnings out…

A deep double reefed main and a small blade or storm headsail will get you to 
hull speed in those conditions, and greatly reduce the load on the rigging.

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie 
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 12:25 PM
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Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern.

OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some of
the 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only a head sail is flown.

Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb

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Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Gentlemen may not sail to weather, but a wise sailor is probably not racing 
when there are gale warnings out…

 

A deep double reefed main and a small blade or storm headsail will get you to 
hull speed in those conditions, and greatly reduce the load on the rigging.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Charlie 
Nelson via CnC-List
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Subject: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

 

Agree with philosophy of not using main in heavy winds astern.  

 

OTOH, I wonder about the unbalanced forces on the stays/boat when a stern wind 
is 30+ knots even with some of

the 'telephone pole' masts on some C when only a head sail is flown.

 

Mine mast is rather bendy with check stays and in high winds downwind, in 
addition to keeping her under control, I admit to some fear of a gravity storm 
if I only used the head sail (or with both sails for that matter!).

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

C 36 XL/kcb

 

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Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Agree. 

No better way to control sailing downwind than to sail with just the headsail 
and no main.

  The helm will tell you when the boat likes the sail setup.  You know it's 
right when you feel how easy she steers.


Chuck, Resolute, 1990 C 34R




> On March 19, 2019 at 9:37 AM "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My boat would be on about her 10th mast if this was an issue for old C
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> Joe Della Barba
> 
> Coquina
> 
> C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Headsail only in strong winds astern

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My boat would be on about her 10th mast if this was an issue for old C


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

[David via CnC-List]

Unless the mast is raked forward and the backstay is loose and the mast was 
able to be inverted and your baby is loose...you will be fine.

Get Outlook for Android


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Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

No question, it would be great to hear form the people who design these masts, 
but I don’t believe that in a normal boat, the mast would be weakened by 
dropping the main.

>From a lay person point of view, when running, the main is not supporting the 
>mast much. I can imagine that it does, to a degree, when you are close to wind 
>(the main plus the main sheet provide an extra support of the mast from the 
>aft).

Marek

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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 16:19
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Cc: Morgan Ellis 
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Headsail only in strong winds astern

I would love to hear Mr. Ball chime in on this thread, if possible, from a mast 
design point of view. I have been told by a very experienced offshore sailor 
and the instructor of Offshore Sea Survival courses, that the masts are 
designed to have a mainsail hoisted and are not stable or properly supported 
without it. The instructor stated that if you were to drop the main because of 
high winds that you should be hoisting a storm sail in its place, if for no 
other reason than to support the mast. Since then the only time I will run on 
jib alone is in light air drifting around the harbour for an evening pleasure 
cruise.

Regards,

Morgan Ellis
s/v Meandher
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