Re: Stus-List Boat speed fresh vs salt water

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

My freshwater Shark always seemed a little faster than my saltwater Shark.
They were different boats, but both Hinterhoellers only 35 numbers apart.
Salt water felt just a little draggier, as a purely subjective opinion.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 19:16, Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A friend of mine with the same boat (37+) is sailing the Panama area. He
> posted a pretty respectable SOG and I wondered what the math is fresh vs
> salt water. Has anyone done that math already? The boat should have less
> wetted surface but shorter water line length and salt water is denser so
> more drag. If the water temp, point of sail, displacement, wave length and
> wind speed was the same the fresh water boat should be a tiny bit faster.
>
> It’s just brain candy, I just took my cover off and have a 3 weeks to
> splash. I hope the ice breaker has success this time. Len
>
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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I second Dave’s advice.  My wife was always uncomfortable with heeling, so 
asked that we only charter catamarans when bareboating.  Well, this spring she 
took a one-week liveaboard sailing course series (ASA-101, 103, and 104) on a 
Beneteau 43 monohull in the USVI the week before we and friends chartered a cat 
in the BVI.  After those experiences she said she’d prefer to charter monohulls 
in the future. :)

Regarding stability, there’s a good discussion of it in 
https://www.amazon.com/Yacht-Design-According-Perry-Shaped/dp/007146557X 
.  
Hull shape has a lot to do with it.  I assume the stability diagram you’re 
referring to is the plot of Dellenbaugh angle vs. LWL for all C boats at 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm 
.  The caveats there say 
the Dellenbaugh angle is an approximation only, and a preliminary tool for 
comparing one vessel to another.  Perry says boats with low initial stability 
(i.e. tender boats) give a softer ride in waves, and often have better ultimate 
stability (resistance to turtling), than stiff boats.

That said, as an owner of one of the stiffest boats on that stability diagram, 
the famously stiff 30 MK I, I’ll tell you that I like her stiffness.  I sail 
her on a lake, so a soft ride in waves is not that big an issue for me.  Racing 
in Colorado summer evenings I'm often subjected to sudden and gusty 
thunderstorm winds.  I’ve found I can carry full sail (full main and 150 genoa) 
to about 25 knots, and still have a hard time getting a rail in the water.  
I’ve had several occasions where I’ve torn a headsail before getting the side 
deck wet.  More tender boats in my club have to de-power or even retire in 
those conditions.  The 30 MK I’s stiffness has helped me to trust the boat and 
know what she can take.

I also agree with Morgan that racing sailors may dote on their boats 
obsessively. :)  It’s good that you’re trying to make an informed decision, and 
I wish you luck with it.  I’m just adding a couple bits of information.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Dave. via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> Not sure if this is an answer to your question but I have some thoughts. I 
> have not sailed on either the Erickson or C 29 but both are good well made 
> brands. 
> My best advise for you is to encourage your wife to find a local “Learn to 
> Sail” program so that she can learn to be comfortable under sail. All 
> sailboats heal in a breeze tender or not and if this makes her uncomfortable 
> you will be doing a lot of single handed sailing. If you too are a beginner 
> you should take a class together so she can learn to trust your skills. She 
> needs to be able to trust you in the boat. Once someone becomes frightened in 
> a sailboat it is a hard thing to overcome. Adults are much harder to teach to 
> sail than children mostly because of the fear factor.
> Also, I’m a real believer in the “smaller cheaper” boat for almost anyone but 
> certainly for someone who is new to the sport. While sailing a smaller boat, 
> everything is easier to manage, forces are less and maintenance is simpler 
> and everything costs less. My wife and I have sailed our entire lives and our 
> biggest boat is our current C 33 and we sometimes think about downsizing. 
> We spent many years racing and cruising a Newport 27 (a C design) sometimes 
> with and sometimes without our two children. It was plenty big enough for our 
> family.
> Anyway, that is my two cents.
> Dave.
> SLY
> 1965 C 33
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 16, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth & 
>> Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look 
>> good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel 
>> steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)
>> 
>> It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm 
>> looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep 
>> an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats 
>> include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K 
>> CAD.
>> 
>> One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the 
>> stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How 
>> serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want 
>> to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender 
>> boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which 
>> seems to heel over at the slightest gust.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com 
>> 

Re: Stus-List Patriating Canadian born C’s

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Rob,

Your broker (customs broker) was cheap (mine was twice that much). But 
regardless it was worth it.

Marek

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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 19:59
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Patriating Canadian born C’s

Shawn:

Bringing a Canadian made C back the across the border requires the requisite 
tax...federal and provincial.

My boat came from Racine, Wisconsinthe trucker I hired to go get it would 
only do it if I hired a 'border broker'.when the trucker reached the 
Canadian border, the border broker handled all the red tape and paid the taxes. 
  no hassles or problems for anyone especially the truckerborder broker 
cost $130well worth it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2019-04-15 4:58 p.m., Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
> Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST 
> registrant (dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the 
> border will qualify you for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, 
> it seems doubtful that there would be any concession for re-patriating 
> a boat to BC based on these ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to 
> reduce tax that I've ready about is to list items not normally 
> attached to the boat separately, with item values, on a bill of sale.
> This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc.
>
>


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Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Bill,

Don’t believe it. It is the same HST (13%), regardless how you bring it.

If I were you (or actually, your customer), I would spend the extra $250 (and 
this is CAD, so about $50 USD (;-)) and hire a customs broker. I did and it was 
one of the best $250 I spent. When my boat was crossing the border, it took the 
driver all of 15 min to cross. All paperwork was pre-prepared, taxes paid, bill 
of sale stamped and approved by the customs officer ahead of time.

One of the things that you would need (in order to avid duties) is a proof that 
the boat was made in the US or Canada. But I think that this is listed in the 
US title and if you decide to use the broker, they would take care of it.

The customs broker is especially useful if the person bringing the boat across 
the border is not the owner (or more precisely, if the owner is not present at 
the border, when the boat crosses it). You have to pay the HST at the border at 
the time of crossing (or have it pre-paid). If the owner is not present, you 
would have to pay that tax, or the boat could be impounded (held in storage) 
until the taxes are paid.

If you (your client?) decide to use the broker, find one that deals with 
crossings around the place where you plan to arrive. Despite the fact that 
theoretically, one set of rules applies along the border, the reality is that 
different points of crossing want the paperwork prepared in a slightly 
different fashion, so you have to specify where you plan to cross. My boat 
crossed at Gananoque (1000 Islands), but I was told that the rules at Prescot 
(Ogdensburg) were sufficiently different that the documents were not easily 
transferable.

My boat was trucked in, so I cannot offer any advice on how to cross the border 
over water.

Marek
1994 C270 ”Legato”
Ottawa, ON



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 14:43
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

Just spoke with the prospective purchaser, and he says he has heard it is 
cheaper if it is trucked into Canada instead of floated in. Something to do 
with it  being a commercial import with a lower tax rate, instead of personal.
That just seems nutz.
Of course, all the tariffs and such are in such a state of flux right now, 
Probably tough to get the same answer twice from the same person.
So simple to just scoot right through the Welland Canal.

Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA
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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

Thanks for the replies –
This would be being delivered by water to Ontario

Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 3:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant 
(dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you 
for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there 
would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these 
ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is 
to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, 
on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc.

From:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf

"If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate 
of 7% on the
taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as 
determined under the
Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST 
due
when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due 
(see Paying
PST below)."

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you 
through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t 
have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces 
are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 
3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, 
but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid).

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: 

Stus-List Boat speed fresh vs salt water

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

A friend of mine with the same boat (37+) is sailing the Panama area. He posted 
a pretty respectable SOG and I wondered what the math is fresh vs salt water. 
Has anyone done that math already? The boat should have less wetted surface but 
shorter water line length and salt water is denser so more drag. If the water 
temp, point of sail, displacement, wave length and wind speed was the same the 
fresh water boat should be a tiny bit faster. 

It’s just brain candy, I just took my cover off and have a 3 weeks to splash. I 
hope the ice breaker has success this time. Len

Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Dave. via CnC-List]

Shawn,
Not sure if this is an answer to your question but I have some thoughts. I have 
not sailed on either the Erickson or C 29 but both are good well made brands. 
My best advise for you is to encourage your wife to find a local “Learn to 
Sail” program so that she can learn to be comfortable under sail. All sailboats 
heal in a breeze tender or not and if this makes her uncomfortable you will be 
doing a lot of single handed sailing. If you too are a beginner you should take 
a class together so she can learn to trust your skills. She needs to be able to 
trust you in the boat. Once someone becomes frightened in a sailboat it is a 
hard thing to overcome. Adults are much harder to teach to sail than children 
mostly because of the fear factor.
Also, I’m a real believer in the “smaller cheaper” boat for almost anyone but 
certainly for someone who is new to the sport. While sailing a smaller boat, 
everything is easier to manage, forces are less and maintenance is simpler and 
everything costs less. My wife and I have sailed our entire lives and our 
biggest boat is our current C 33 and we sometimes think about downsizing. We 
spent many years racing and cruising a Newport 27 (a C design) sometimes with 
and sometimes without our two children. It was plenty big enough for our family.
Anyway, that is my two cents.
Dave.
SLY
1965 C 33

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth & Nail" 
> that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look good, 
> apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel steering. 
> Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)
> 
> It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm 
> looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep an 
> eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats include 
> a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K CAD.
> 
> One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the 
> stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How 
> serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want to 
> scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender 
> boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which 
> seems to heel over at the slightest gust.
> 
> -- 
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Morgan Ellis via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn, don't let the diagram scare you. My 30-2 is even higher on the
chart. All it means is that you need to reef early to keep the admiral
happy. I feel that any boat that has a decent amount of power in the sail
plan will rank up there. You can always reduce sail area in heavy weather,
but when the wind is light you will appreciate the extra area so that you
can keep sailing while other cruisers have had to fire up their engines...
My .02$ heel angle has more to do with sail trim and boat handling; then it
does about the design.

Also, many boats that are raced regularly will be better maintained and
have better gear than an old neglected cruiser.

Regards,

Morgan


>
>
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Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth &
Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos
look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine,
wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)

It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm
looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep
an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats
include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K
CAD.

One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on
the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all
boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I
don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a
very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's
Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the slightest gust.

-- 
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

[T power via CnC-List]

Hi Bill,

If a product is brought over for commercial purposes only the GST is required. 
The person importing the product will fill out the appropriate customs form, I 
cannot remember the number off hand, but the importer requires a business 
number, they are essentially acting as a broker.

My current C is my third boat brought into Canada, two were by road, my C 
by water. The boat is like a used car. The government is going to collect tax 
on it. What I did to make life easier. I purchased the boat (Maine USA), took 
the bill of sale to my local DMV (New Brunswick), Paid the HST and registered 
the boat with New Brunswick. Went back to Maine and readied the boat for 
sailing to New Brunswick. When I arrived in Canada, I called CANPASS to declare 
my arrival into Canada. Normally they will meet you at the dock, but in my case 
they cleared me into Canada via phone call. It is a lot easier when the boat is 
Canadian registered and you are the only one on board.

The most you should pay tax wise is HST on your bill of sale.

Cheers,

Tom

Tom Power
Invictus
C 30 MK1
Fredericton, NB

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s


Just spoke with the prospective purchaser, and he says he has heard it is 
cheaper if it is trucked into Canada instead of floated in. Something to do 
with it  being a commercial import with a lower tax rate, instead of personal.

That just seems nutz.

Of course, all the tariffs and such are in such a state of flux right now, 
Probably tough to get the same answer twice from the same person.

So simple to just scoot right through the Welland Canal.



Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s



Thanks for the replies –

This would be being delivered by water to Ontario



Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA



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Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s



Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant 
(dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you 
for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there 
would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these 
ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is 
to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, 
on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc.



From:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf



"If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate 
of 7% on the

taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as 
determined under the

Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST 
due

when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due 
(see Paying

PST below)."



On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you 
through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t 
have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces 
are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 
3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, 
but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid).



Marek

Ottawa, ON



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Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 20:09

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Russ & Melody

Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s



Hi Bill,

When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to 
pay but no import duty.

The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption 
limit is reached.

The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the 
C head office was in the USA.

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1



At 10:14 AM 4/14/2019, you wrote:

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It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a 
C being reduced when a Canadian Made  C was returned from USA to Canada,
Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected or reduced?


Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA

Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Just spoke with the prospective purchaser, and he says he has heard it is 
cheaper if it is trucked into Canada instead of floated in. Something to do 
with it  being a commercial import with a lower tax rate, instead of personal.

That just seems nutz. 

Of course, all the tariffs and such are in such a state of flux right now, 
Probably tough to get the same answer twice from the same person.

So simple to just scoot right through the Welland Canal. 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:59 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

 

Thanks for the replies – 

This would be being delivered by water to Ontario 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

 

Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant 
(dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you 
for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there 
would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these 
ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is 
to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, 
on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc. 

 

From:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf

 

"If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate 
of 7% on the

taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as 
determined under the

Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST 
due

when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due 
(see Paying

PST below)."

 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you 
through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t 
have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces 
are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 
3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, 
but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid).

 

Marek

Ottawa, ON

 

From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List 

Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 20:09

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Russ & Melody 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

 

Hi Bill,

When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to 
pay but no import duty. 

The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption 
limit is reached.

The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the 
C head office was in the USA.

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1



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It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a 
C being reduced when a Canadian Made  C was returned from USA to Canada,
Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected or reduced?
 
 
Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA
 
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Re: Stus-List Depth Transducer Installation

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I believe there were only 147 C 35 MKII’s built and i recall reading that
the cost of production had increased significantly and that production cost
was directly related to the weight of the boat and that was related to the
weight of resin used to make the hull. The MKII hull is thick and it has a
longer and different hull shape than the 35 MKI so it weighed considerably
more than the MKI with a higher build cost but built to satisfy the same
market segment. I have not run into any balsa core in the hull of Alianna
but where i have made penetrations the hull is thick and solid. I believe
the C 34 was designed to appeal to the 35 foot market at a lower build
cost and lighter weight hull with thinner sections (but still rather thick)
and more extensive use of balsa core.  Why else would C stop production
on such a beautiful sturdy boat like the 35MKII. I believe that The company
realized it had to either raise the price on the 35MKII or build a boat to
appeal to a similar market demand at less cost. When was the first 35 MKIII
built? I believe it was quite a few years after MKII production ended.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:51 PM dwight veinot  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:00 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a MKii, it is solid glass that I know of, and confirmed by the
>> brochure.
>> Looking at the brochure for the MkIII, hull is balsa core.
>>
>> Garry Cross
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
>> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:44:56 +
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]   Re:  Depth Transducer Installation
>>
>> The 35 MK I is solid glass FYI.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob
>> Ball via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2019 4:18 PM
>> *To:* Gary Nylander 
>> *Cc:* Rob Ball ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Depth Transducer Installation
>>
>>
>>
>> The standard was that boats smaller than 35 had solid glass hulls.
>>
>> 35 and up has balsa, but it is faded out about six to eight inches from
>> centerline.
>>
>> Rob Ball
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Depth Transducer Installation

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:00 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a MKii, it is solid glass that I know of, and confirmed by the
> brochure.
> Looking at the brochure for the MkIII, hull is balsa core.
>
> Garry Cross
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:44:56 +
> Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]   Re:  Depth Transducer Installation
>
> The 35 MK I is solid glass FYI.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob
> Ball via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2019 4:18 PM
> *To:* Gary Nylander 
> *Cc:* Rob Ball ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Depth Transducer Installation
>
>
>
> The standard was that boats smaller than 35 had solid glass hulls.
>
> 35 and up has balsa, but it is faded out about six to eight inches from
> centerline.
>
> Rob Ball
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Depth Transducer Installation

[Garry Cross via CnC-List]

I have a MKii, it is solid glass that I know of, and confirmed by the
brochure.
Looking at the brochure for the MkIII, hull is balsa core.

Garry Cross

-- Forwarded message --
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To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:44:56 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL]   Re:  Depth Transducer Installation

The 35 MK I is solid glass FYI.

Joe

Coquina



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*Cc:* Rob Ball ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Depth Transducer Installation



The standard was that boats smaller than 35 had solid glass hulls.

35 and up has balsa, but it is faded out about six to eight inches from
centerline.

Rob Ball







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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Depth Transducer Installation

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

You can see where the balsa is located in the hull of the Mk.1 if you look
inside the lockers under the settees. I seem to remember the furthest aft
locker on starboard is one place it is easy to see.  The hull obviously get
thicker to the inside in a clear step of about 3/4 of an inch where the
balsa is located.

Ken H.

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 22:06, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Well, not entirely.  There are two strips of core running outboard up the
> hull from the aft edge of the keel.  The strips are about 10-12 inches wide
> and are located just forward of the galley and navstation half bulkheads.
>
> They add strength in case of a hard grounding or maybe for the swept back
> keel being on the hard.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The 35 MK I is solid glass FYI.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
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Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Thanks for the replies – 

This would be being delivered by water to Ontario 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 3:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

 

Here in BC, there is a 12% PST on boats, unless purchased from a GST registrant 
(dealer), in which case it is 7% PST. Paying GST at the border will qualify you 
for the lower 7% rate, see below. In any case, it seems doubtful that there 
would be any concession for re-patriating a boat to BC based on these 
ridiculous tax laws. About the only way to reduce tax that I've ready about is 
to list items not normally attached to the boat separately, with item values, 
on a bill of sale. This means dinghy, outboard, BBQ, etc. 

 

From:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-108-boats.pdf

 

"If you bring a boat into BC from outside Canada, you must pay PST at the rate 
of 7% on the

taxable value of the boat. The taxable value is the value of the boat as 
determined under the

Excise Tax Act (Canada). The Canada Border Services Agency may collect the PST 
due

when you bring the boat into Canada. If not, you must self-assess the PST due 
(see Paying

PST below)."

 

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:48 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

You will have to pay the GST (at the border (or before) or they won’t let you 
through). If you have HST in your province, you will pay that. If you don’t 
have HST, then you will have to pay PST. You better pay it promptly; provinces 
are notorious for being slow, but they WILL find you (they came after me after 
3 years from crossing the border with a gentle proposal to pay a hefty fine, 
but I had the documents showing that the tax was paid).

 

Marek

Ottawa, ON

 

From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List 

Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 20:09

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Russ & Melody 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Re-Patriating Canadian born C’s

 

Hi Bill,

When I brought Sweet into Canada from the Seattle area there was GST @ 7% to 
pay but no import duty. 

The GST is applicable to almost everything once a person's little exemption 
limit is reached.

The import duty was waived due to NAFTA being in place and that year (2003) the 
C head office was in the USA.

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1



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It seems I remember some discussion years ago about the Tax consequences of a 
C being reduced when a Canadian Made  C was returned from USA to Canada,
Does anyone know if the GST or whatever the taxes there are affected or reduced?
 
 
Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA
 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: 1983 Westerbeke 27 glow plugs

[john sandford via CnC-List]

Try doing a search for ‘BMC Mini Tractor’

I bought various parts a few years ago including head gasket, water pump, 
injectors, etc.

>From a farmer in Cheshire.

Here is one of the many links

https://www.charnleys.com/part/leyland-light/12a1033r/fuel-injector-bmc

 

 

From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov] 
Sent: April-15-19 4:44 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: 1983 Westerbeke 27 glow plugs

 

FYI – Westerbeke engines, like many others, come from a variety of sources. Not 
all of them started as British tractor engines, but almost all of them probably 
have other industrial or farming uses that you could track down for cheaper 
parts.

The one that did that I know of is the original diesel from the C 35 MK and 
II that was a 4 cylinder 15 HP engine. It started as an engine for MG Midgets 
and Austin Minis, then mutated to a diesel tractor engine, and then mutated 
again to a boat engine. Good luck getting parts for one of those!

 

Joe

Coquina

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 8:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitmore 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List 1983 Westerbeke 27 glow plugs

 

I am not an expert,  but a very good friend of mine has a westerbeak and it 
turns out that his engine was based on a very common British tractor engine and 
the non marinized parts a actually very common.  The same thing probably 
applies for your engine. 

 

A lot of web searches might turn up some good information. 

 

Just a thought,

 

Bruce Whitmore 

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet.he same thing probably applies to your engine.  

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