Re: Stus-List Help needed C 44

[robert via CnC-List]

Patrick:

In all likelihood, the 1988 C 44 you are looking at was built in 
Niagara on the Lake, Ont. Canada.


The Middleton, Rhode Island plant closed in November 1985.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%26C_Yachts

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




Hello,

I'm in the process of purchasing a 1988 C 44 and my customs
broker is giving me a hard time about its place of
manufacturing. As far as I can tell, all C 44s after the
prototype were built in Middletown, Rhode Island. Does anyone
know how I can prove this to the broker?

Thanks so much,

Patrick Gateley




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Stus-List Help needed C 44

[robert via CnC-List]

Patrick:

The HIN on the transom or inside a locker should tell you where the boat 
was built.


CCY is the Rhode Island 
 plant

ZCC is the Niagara on the Lake plant.


http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Whats%20a%20HIN%20.htm

Robert Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On Jun 2, 2019, at 3:34 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


The HIN identifies place of origin. Is there no HIN stamped into the 
transom? The HIN will also be on your title and documentation.


Chuck S

On June 2, 2019 at 6:13 PM Patrick Gateley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Hello,

I'm in the process of purchasing a 1988 C 44 and my customs broker 
is giving me a hard time about its place of manufacturing. As far as 
I can tell, all C 44s after the prototype were built in 
Middletown, Rhode Island. Does anyone know how I can prove this to 
the broker?


Thanks so much,

Patrick Gateley



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Re: Stus-List Help needed C 44

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

If it helps, The U.S. Coast Guard's Boating Safety Division, From here:
https://www.uscgboating.org/content/manufacturers-identification.php

ZCC =
https://www.uscgboating.org/content/manufacturers-identification-detail.php?id=31723

CCY =
https://www.uscgboating.org/content/manufacturers-identification-detail.php?id=17623

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 19:43, randal johnston via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> And this should explain the build location based on HIN.
>
>
> CCY is the Rhode Island
>  plant
> ZCC is the Niagara on the Lake plant.
>
> randy
> Tamanawas
> 29-2
> Hood River, OR
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2019, at 3:34 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> The HIN identifies place of origin. Is there no HIN stamped into the
> transom? The HIN will also be on your title and documentation.
>
> Chuck S
>
> On June 2, 2019 at 6:13 PM Patrick Gateley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm in the process of purchasing a 1988 C 44 and my customs broker is
> giving me a hard time about its place of manufacturing. As far as I can
> tell, all C 44s after the prototype were built in Middletown, Rhode
> Island. Does anyone know how I can prove this to the broker?
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Patrick Gateley
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C 36+

[Allan Rheaume via CnC-List]

 Thanks very much Chuck, I'm on the Canadian side of Eastern Lake Ontario.
Allan
On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 06:21:53 p.m. EDT, CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Allan,
I'll forward your request to my 34/36 owner's group. Where are you located?

Chuck
 
 
 On June 2, 2019 at 3:40 PM Allan Rheaume via CnC-List  
wrote: 
 
   Hello group,                       I'm looking for a 1995 or 1996 36+ with a 
wing keel if anyone is thinking of selling. I know not many of them made, it 
will be my 4th and probably last C so I'm petty specific in what I'm looking 
for.   
   Thanks,   Allan Rheaume   former 30-2 owner   
 
  
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Re: Stus-List Help needed C 44

[randal johnston via CnC-List]

And this should explain the build location based on HIN.


CCY is the Rhode Island 
 plant
ZCC is the Niagara on the Lake plant.

randy
Tamanawas
29-2
Hood River, OR 


> On Jun 2, 2019, at 3:34 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The HIN identifies place of origin. Is there no HIN stamped into the transom? 
> The HIN will also be on your title and documentation.
> 
> Chuck S
> 
>> On June 2, 2019 at 6:13 PM Patrick Gateley via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I'm in the process of purchasing a 1988 C 44 and my customs broker is 
>> giving me a hard time about its place of manufacturing. As far as I can 
>> tell, all C 44s after the prototype were built in Middletown, Rhode 
>> Island. Does anyone know how I can prove this to the broker? 
>> 
>> Thanks so much, 
>> 
>> Patrick Gateley
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Help needed C 44

[Patrick Gateley via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck,

Thanks for the quick response. The customs broker claims the HIN just states 
the manufacturer and not actual place of origin. I personally think they're 
being a bit too onery about all this. I'm hoping for a manual or brochure that 
says something like "proudly built in Canada/US"

-Patrick

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, at 3:34 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER wrote:
> The HIN identifies place of origin. Is there no HIN stamped into the transom? 
> The HIN will also be on your title and documentation.
> 
> Chuck S
> 
> 
>> On June 2, 2019 at 6:13 PM Patrick Gateley via CnC-List 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> I'm in the process of purchasing a 1988 C 44 and my customs broker is 
>> giving me a hard time about its place of manufacturing. As far as I can 
>> tell, all C 44s after the prototype were built in Middletown, Rhode 
>> Island. Does anyone know how I can prove this to the broker? 
>> 
>> Thanks so much, 
>> 
>> Patrick Gateley
> 
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Re: Stus-List Help needed C 44

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

The HIN identifies place of origin. Is there no HIN stamped into the transom? 
The HIN will also be on your title and documentation.

Chuck S


> On June 2, 2019 at 6:13 PM Patrick Gateley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm in the process of purchasing a 1988 C 44 and my customs broker is 
> giving me a hard time about its place of manufacturing. As far as I can tell, 
> all C 44s after the prototype were built in Middletown, Rhode Island. Does 
> anyone know how I can prove this to the broker?
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Patrick Gateley
> 
 

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Re: Stus-List C 36+

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi Allan,
I'll forward your request to my 34/36 owner's group. Where are you located?

Chuck


> On June 2, 2019 at 3:40 PM Allan Rheaume via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello group,
> I'm looking for a 1995 or 1996 36+ with a wing keel 
> if anyone is thinking of selling. I know not many of them made, it will be my 
> 4th and probably last C so I'm petty specific in what I'm looking for.
> 
> Thanks,
> Allan Rheaume
> former 30-2 owner
> 
 

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Stus-List Help needed C 44

[Patrick Gateley via CnC-List]

Hello,

I'm in the process of purchasing a 1988 C 44 and my customs broker is giving 
me a hard time about its place of manufacturing. As far as I can tell, all C 
44s after the prototype were built in Middletown, Rhode Island. Does anyone 
know how I can prove this to the broker?

Thanks so much,

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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire-I chose a Halon ext for my engine

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

I too think the Halon auto is the best choice but 
last time I tried, could not be purchased new in 
Canada due to damaging effects to ozone layer (or 
some other SJW concern). Older ones could still be refilled a few years ago.


The best non-residue solution is probably CO2 and 
the little port, as discussed.


I bought one of these little puppies:
http://www.elidefire.eu.com/
Figuring "what the hell" as a back-up it cannot 
hurt too much. Position it high & aft in the 
engine compartment. Looks like a slight residual powder may be left behind.


Don't discount the possibility of a diesel fire 
when there is pressurized fuel line(s) near high temperature exhaust surface.
Gargle "steam turbine oil fires" to see what a 
hot metal temperature and lube oil will do.


Cheers, Russ
ex-Sweet 35 mk-1

At 01:39 PM 6/2/2019, you wrote:
I think Halon is nearly perfect for 
bilge/mechanical area.on the inert gas sinks 
like propane, and smothers any fire by denying 
it oxygen. It also doesn’t hurt the intake 
system on your most likely, running engine. I 
learned a lot from a previous rear engine auto 
engine compartment fire.  I proudly shot a 
powder type extinguisher on the running engine 
and got to rebuild the engine on my original 1960 Porsche 356.
If the Halon was released by the heat sensing 
valve, it will immediately stop your engine and 
shouldn’t effect the engine when 
restarted.  The inert gas is pulled to the spaces that are on fire.
 Obviously the Halon will not bode well for any 
oxygen breathing organisms so some airing out would be required.
I am not certain if they are readily available 
any more. I have had them on 3 different boats. 
I was told that unlike powdered systems, if they 
weigh the same as new, they are as good as new.


I think mine is a “Fireboy”. I think I will 
check to see if they are still available! 
Installation in the engine compartment is very simple.


Rick
Paikea 37+
Bremerton, WA
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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire-I chose a Halon ext for my engine

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

I think Halon is nearly perfect for bilge/mechanical area.on the inert gas
sinks like propane, and smothers any fire by denying it oxygen. It also
doesn’t hurt the intake system on your most likely, running engine. I
learned a lot from a previous rear engine auto engine compartment fire.  I
proudly shot a powder type extinguisher on the running engine and got to
rebuild the engine on my original 1960 Porsche 356.
If the Halon was released by the heat sensing valve, it will immediately
stop your engine and shouldn’t effect the engine when restarted.  The inert
gas is pulled to the spaces that are on fire.
 Obviously the Halon will not bode well for any oxygen breathing organisms
so some airing out would be required.
I am not certain if they are readily available any more. I have had them on
3 different boats. I was told that unlike powdered systems, if they weigh
the same as new, they are as good as new.

I think mine is a “Fireboy”. I think I will check to see if they are still
available! Installation in the engine compartment is very simple.

Rick
Paikea 37+
Bremerton, WA

On Sunday, June 2, 2019, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
wrote:

> David, if you must provide an extinguisher specifically for the engine
> compartment, I would look at something like a Fireboy automatic discharge
> extinguisher. They use a “clean” product and it’s activated by a sprinkler
> head type device activated by a specific temperature of 175F. There are
> other brands too and they can all be mounted inside the engine compartment
> with no fire port required. I have never tried one but probably should, the
> electrical components in the engine compartment are my concern not the
> diesel. It looks like 25 cubic feet for just less than $200 if that helps.
>
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On
>
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Re: Stus-List Galvanic Isolators

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I would not spend much money on a galvanic isolator (GI).The main cause of 
the galvanic corrosion is a result of connecting the AC and DC grounds.  Check 
if you have these grounds connected. Most older and smaller vessels don’t 
have the grounds connected and don’t have galvanic corrosion problem.  Also, 
the industry is moving away from this requirement.

One is better off investing in a whole vessel GFCI breaker(also called an ELCI 
Main Circuit Breaker).   These cost much less than a typical fail-safe GI and 
provide galvanic isolation from stray AC currents by disconnecting the power, 
and more importantly they provide much better ground fault protection than 
connecting AC & DC grounds.  

If one still prefers bonding the AC & DC grounds then I would recommend the 
Yandina GI or better, a DYI GI,  and connect the GI between the AC to DC 
connection to provide a fail-safe connection.

I have a write up on my blog about this and also how to make a DYI GI, but in 
short, don’t waste money on an expensive GI, invest your money in an ELCI 
breaker, individual GFCI circuit protectors, and a decent marine charger (not a 
cheap HF/Walmart/Amazon brand ) 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/GalvanicIsolator 




-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ 



> On Jun 1, 2019, at 9:32 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to David for raising the issue of galvanic isolators.  
>> 
>> I have to admit, I don't have one on my boat, and I haven't worried about it 
>> very much as my zincs are lasting more than 7 months in a salt water 
>> environment in a small harbor surrounded by boats that are always plugged in 
>> to shore power.  As a result, I don't think I have much of a problem going 
>> on, if any. 
>> 
>> That said, the idea of having an isolator in place would make me feel better.
>> 
>> Have any of you tried the following isolator?   
>> 
>> http://yandina.com/GalvInfo.htm  
>> >
>> 
>> On my last boat, I had one of their battery combiners for about 15 years, 
>> and I found it to be (virtually) flawless.  When I did had one fail, they 
>> replaced it without blinking an eye, and they provide an unlimited warranty. 
>>  
>> 
>> The price is nice as well...
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net  
>> >

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Re: Stus-List Galvanic Isolators

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I would not spend much money on a galvanic isolator (GI).The main cause of 
the galvanic corrosion is a result of connecting the AC and DC grounds.  Check 
if you have these grounds connected. Most older and smaller vessels don’t 
have the grounds connected and don’t have galvanic corrosion problem.  Also, 
the industry is moving away from this requirement.

One is better off investing in a whole vessel GFCI breaker(also called an ELCI 
Main Circuit Breaker).   These cost much less than a typical fail-safe GI and 
provide galvanic isolation from stray AC currents by disconnecting the power, 
and more importantly they provide much better ground fault protection than 
connecting AC & DC grounds.  

If one still prefers bonding the AC & DC grounds then I would recommend the 
Yandina GI or better, a DYI GI,  and connect the GI between the AC to DC 
connection to provide a fail-safe connection.

I have a write up on my blog about this and also how to make a DYI GI, but in 
short, don’t waste money on an expensive GI, invest your money in an ELCI 
breaker, individual GFCI circuit protectors, and a decent marine charger (not a 
cheap HF/Walmart/Amazon brand ) 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/GalvanicIsolator 




-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



> On Jun 1, 2019, at 9:32 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to David for raising the issue of galvanic isolators.  
>> 
>> I have to admit, I don't have one on my boat, and I haven't worried about it 
>> very much as my zincs are lasting more than 7 months in a salt water 
>> environment in a small harbor surrounded by boats that are always plugged in 
>> to shore power.  As a result, I don't think I have much of a problem going 
>> on, if any. 
>> 
>> That said, the idea of having an isolator in place would make me feel better.
>> 
>> Have any of you tried the following isolator?   
>> 
>> http://yandina.com/GalvInfo.htm  
>> >
>> 
>> On my last boat, I had one of their battery combiners for about 15 years, 
>> and I found it to be (virtually) flawless.  When I did had one fail, they 
>> replaced it without blinking an eye, and they provide an unlimited warranty. 
>>  
>> 
>> The price is nice as well...
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net  
>> >

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Stus-List C 36+

[Allan Rheaume via CnC-List]

Hello group,                    I'm looking for a 1995 or 1996 36+ with a wing 
keel if anyone is thinking of selling. I know not many of them made, it will be 
my 4th and probably last C so I'm petty specific in what I'm looking for.
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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire

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Good suggestion on the automatic, Len.  It looks like a small automatic is 
actually less expensive than a small manual (at least what Defender sells).  
Now I have to figure out if there is a place to mount it inside the engine 
compartment. I have soundproofing material all around so taht presents a 
problem plus there is not much accessible mounting surface that is not 
occupied.  I will report back on what I end up doing.  Dave  

> On Jun 2, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> David, if you must provide an extinguisher specifically for the engine 
> compartment, I would look at something like a Fireboy automatic discharge 
> extinguisher. They use a “clean” product and it’s activated by a sprinkler 
> head type device activated by a specific temperature of 175F. There are other 
> brands too and they can all be mounted inside the engine compartment with no 
> fire port required. I have never tried one but probably should, the 
> electrical components in the engine compartment are my concern not the 
> diesel. It looks like 25 cubic feet for just less than $200 if that helps. 
> 
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On
> 
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Re: Stus-List - The Enterprise is Moving

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Or belhaven, or dowry creek marina??  Something localJim Schwartz SEA 
YA!Washington ncSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: John Conklin via CnC-List 
 Date: 6/2/19  7:21 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Conklin  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List - The Enterprise is Moving 
Or Oriental ! :) 

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net







On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Mark Baldridge via CnC-List  
wrote:



Unless you are going around Hatteras, maybe we can have a C NC get together 
as you come through. Maybe Belhaven or preferably Beaufort.

Mark Baldridge 
~~_/) 
'89 C/40+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC 


On 6/1/2019 8:12 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:


All the best Ed! My friends boat was at lincoln harbor weehawkin NJ. Other side 
of the hudson and very $$ so i can imagine. City island! 
My 37 is now docked in  Rick Brass territory Oriental NC. I leave her plugged 
in but only turn fridge ( sometimes A/C ) on when I arrive On weekends. I leave 
her in but do winterize Drain everything  small heater as we can hit below 
freezing. You wont
 have this problem! :) 
Enjoy the FL coast ( and pool!)  and Happy Sailing !!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net







On May 31, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:



Jon,


You could say it’s around the corner, but only if you are talking on a 
country-wide scale. This summer, the Enterprise will be moving to a slip at the 
Venice Yacht Club in Venice, FL — In fact, fellow lister Captain Rick Brass is 
working up a
 full plan and quote to bring her down. 


My business and residence will also be moving to southern Sarasota. You could 
say it has been an eventful winter around here. 


So, the Enterprise will travel over 1,300 miles to continue the voyages she has 
begun, seeking out strange new marinas and southern Florida civilizations, 
boldly going where no man, or no one, has gone before. 


Aside from Bruce’s C 37+ and a few others I know about, there’s not a whole 
lot of C action in the Gulf area, but maybe others will one day follow us to 
also live where others vacation. There is something VERY satisfying in knowing 
that last
 October was the last time I’ll winterize my engine and that I won’t really 
need to haul the boat again for at least a few years, then only to slap some 
new paint on the bottom and then go back sailing again. 


I’d love to get a Rendezvous together for late June or something like that in 
the LI Sound area — stay tuned for that. 






All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL





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 Enterprise's Captain's Log
















On May 31, 2019, at 3:30 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List  wrote:


Edd,  we do shore power as described by Josh. 
Where you moving to?
‘Round the corner?
Any updates on rendezvous?
We are in Stamford now with no excuses. 
Jon Pratt
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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

When installing between the companionway steps be sure you situate it so the 
fire extinguisher can get between the steps and the nozzle  is at the port.

David F. Risch
Gulf Stream Associates
(401) 419-4650

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CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 10:52 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

They are pretty inexpensive.  $9.99 at Defender.  They generally have a clear 
window which lets you see inside the engine compartment to see if you have a 
fire, and you can then poke a fire extinguisher into the engine compartment 
through the pot and put the fire out without opening the compartment and 
letting in lots more air which would likely just make a fire worse.

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=the-marine-east-6860-fire-port-white-ring=-1|135|2290089|2555396=2555630

The side panel of the engine compartment would be a good place I'd think.  Or 
between the companionway steps.

Ken H.

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 09:42, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had an insurance survey done recently and the surveyor made several 
recommendations that were surprsing to me and which the insurance company is 
now expecting to be done:

1.Install a fire port on the engine compartment and a no residue extinguisher 
nearby.  I have never heard of this and the purchase survey done a few years 
early did not mention it.  It is not terribly expensive, but I can’t find a 
reasonable place to install the fire port.  One of the reasons I made sure to 
get a diesel engine was I thought that fire was not a significant risk with 
diesel fuel.  Does anyone else have this on their boat and is this a worthwhile 
safety upgrade?

2.  Install a high water alarm.  This seems to me to be overkill given the size 
of the boat and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to be trapped below 
water line in the event of a serious leak.  I also have an automatic bilge pump 
switch, so that would alert me if water were coming up to the floor boards.  
Has anyone else installed an alarm?

Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List Diesel engine fire

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

David, if you must provide an extinguisher specifically for the engine 
compartment, I would look at something like a Fireboy automatic discharge 
extinguisher. They use a “clean” product and it’s activated by a sprinkler head 
type device activated by a specific temperature of 175F. There are other brands 
too and they can all be mounted inside the engine compartment with no fire port 
required. I have never tried one but probably should, the electrical components 
in the engine compartment are my concern not the diesel. It looks like 25 cubic 
feet for just less than $200 if that helps. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On

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Re: Stus-List Galvanic Isolators

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I installed a Newmar GI-30.

Dennis C.

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:44 AM bwhitmore via CnC-List 
wrote:

> By the way, I checked today and there is no galvanic isolator on
> Astralis.  Which one did you folks choose to install?
>
> Thanks for your insights,
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

They are pretty inexpensive.  $9.99 at Defender.  They generally have a
clear window which lets you see inside the engine compartment to see if you
have a fire, and you can then poke a fire extinguisher into the engine
compartment through the pot and put the fire out without opening the
compartment and letting in lots more air which would likely just make a
fire worse.

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=the-marine-east-6860-fire-port-white-ring=-1|135|2290089|2555396=2555630


The side panel of the engine compartment would be a good place I'd think.
Or between the companionway steps.

Ken H.

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 09:42, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had an insurance survey done recently and the surveyor made several
> recommendations that were surprsing to me and which the insurance company
> is now expecting to be done:
>
> 1.Install a fire port on the engine compartment and a no residue
> extinguisher nearby.  I have never heard of this and the purchase survey
> done a few years early did not mention it.  It is not terribly expensive,
> but I can’t find a reasonable place to install the fire port.  One of the
> reasons I made sure to get a diesel engine was I thought that fire was not
> a significant risk with diesel fuel.  Does anyone else have this on their
> boat and is this a worthwhile safety upgrade?
>
> 2.  Install a high water alarm.  This seems to me to be overkill given the
> size of the boat and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to be
> trapped below water line in the event of a serious leak.  I also have an
> automatic bilge pump switch, so that would alert me if water were coming up
> to the floor boards.  Has anyone else installed an alarm?
>
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

David,

I have not installed one yet, but have it on my project list. I think the best 
place is on one of your side access panels — should be able to extinguish the 
whole engine from there. 

Note that while diesel fuel is not flammable, it does have a flashpoint. 

Nevertheless, the real risk is an electrical fire. High amps plus vibration can 
sometimes yield bad results. 

All the best, 

Edd

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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
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On Jun 2, 2019, at 8:42 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

I had an insurance survey done recently and the surveyor made several 
recommendations that were surprsing to me and which the insurance company is 
now expecting to be done:

1.Install a fire port on the engine compartment and a no residue extinguisher 
nearby.  I have never heard of this and the purchase survey done a few years 
early did not mention it.  It is not terribly expensive, but I can’t find a 
reasonable place to install the fire port.  One of the reasons I made sure to 
get a diesel engine was I thought that fire was not a significant risk with 
diesel fuel.  Does anyone else have this on their boat and is this a worthwhile 
safety upgrade?

2.  Install a high water alarm.  This seems to me to be overkill given the size 
of the boat and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to be trapped below 
water line in the event of a serious leak.  I also have an automatic bilge pump 
switch, so that would alert me if water were coming up to the floor boards.  
Has anyone else installed an alarm?

Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

On my 1981 40 I installed a fire port (hidden behind companionway steps) for 
the possibility from fire not so much from diesel (highly unlikely) but from 
electrical wiring.

I have a bilge counter on my primary (1000 gph) pump and an alarm on my 
secondary (3000 gph) pump.  The float alarm is set higher up and will only go 
off if we are taking on water that the primary cannot handle.   Has not 
happened yet but it  makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

To me the bilge counter is very important to determine a problem that may have 
occurred whilst gone.

David F. Risch
Gulf Stream Associates
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Jeff Helsdingen via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 9:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jeff Helsdingen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

I've installed alarms, just not on our boat yet. Just a float switch high 
in the bilge run to a buzzer/light at the panel. I've used these:  
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=680786

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:42 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had an insurance survey done recently and the surveyor made several 
recommendations that were surprsing to me and which the insurance company is 
now expecting to be done:

1.Install a fire port on the engine compartment and a no residue extinguisher 
nearby.  I have never heard of this and the purchase survey done a few years 
early did not mention it.  It is not terribly expensive, but I can’t find a 
reasonable place to install the fire port.  One of the reasons I made sure to 
get a diesel engine was I thought that fire was not a significant risk with 
diesel fuel.  Does anyone else have this on their boat and is this a worthwhile 
safety upgrade?

2.  Install a high water alarm.  This seems to me to be overkill given the size 
of the boat and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to be trapped below 
water line in the event of a serious leak.  I also have an automatic bilge pump 
switch, so that would alert me if water were coming up to the floor boards.  
Has anyone else installed an alarm?

Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Galvanic Isolators

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Does anyone know why there is such a large price disparity between Yandina and 
Promariner models?

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 9:52 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Galvanic Isolators

Someone on the list recommended the Yandina Galvanic Isolator 
(https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2290032=605562) and 
that is what I installed.  Dave



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Re: Stus-List Galvanic Isolators

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Someone on the list recommended the Yandina Galvanic Isolator 
(https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2290032=605562 
) and 
that is what I installed.  Dave

> On Jun 1, 2019, at 12:00 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER  > wrote:
> 
> What model did you install?
> 
>> On June 1, 2019 at 9:31 AM David Knecht via CnC-List > > wrote: 
>> 
>> There wasn’t one on my 34+ either and I added it last year.  Relatively 
>> inexpensive and a pretty simple installation.  That was one job that 
>> actually took about the amount of time I thought it should take (unlike most 
>> other jobs).  Dave 
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List < 
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bruce Whitmore
>>> 
>>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, May 31, 2019, 3:54:22 PM EDT, Edd Schillay via CnC-List < 
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Edd,
>>> 
>>> I'll look again, but I replaced the old style connector with a SmartPlug 
>>> system about a year ago, and didn't notice one when I did the installation.
>>> 
>>> Given the size of most of them, I would think I would have noticed it!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the heads-up,
>>> 
>>> Bruce Whitmore   
>>> 1994 C 37/40+ "Astralis"
>>> Madeira Beach, FL   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List < 
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bruce,
>>> 
>>> Are you sure you don’t have one? I thought it was included as standard 
>>> equipment on 37+’s. 
>>> 
>>> Mine is inside the aft starboard locker, mounted next to the wiring where 
>>> the shore power connection. I checked mine last year when I installed the 
>>> SmartPlug system (a MUST).  
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Edd
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Edd M. Schillay
>>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>> City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY 
>>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>>> 
>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List < 
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to David for raising the issue of galvanic isolators.
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I don't have one on my boat, and I haven't worried about 
>>> it very much as my zincs are lasting more than 7 months in a salt water 
>>> environment in a small harbor surrounded by boats that are always plugged 
>>> in to shore power.  As a result, I don't think I have much of a problem 
>>> going on, if any.   
>>> 
>>> That said, the idea of having an isolator in place would make me feel 
>>> better. 
>>> 
>>> Have any of you tried the following isolator?   
>>> 
>>> http://yandina.com/GalvInfo.htm 
>>> 
>>> On my last boat, I had one of their battery combiners for about 15 years, 
>>> and I found it to be (virtually) flawless.  When I did had one fail, they 
>>> replaced it without blinking an eye, and they provide an unlimited 
>>> warranty.
>>> 
>>> The price is nice as well...
>>> 
>>> Thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> Bruce  Whitmore
>>> 1994 C 37/40+
>>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net 
>>> 
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>> 1990 C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Galvanic Isolators

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

By the way, I checked today and there is no galvanic isolator on Astralis.  
Which one did you folks choose to install? Thanks for your insights, Bruce Sent 
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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

[Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List]

I've installed alarms, just not on our boat yet. Just a float switch
high in the bilge run to a buzzer/light at the panel. I've used these:
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=680786

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:42 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had an insurance survey done recently and the surveyor made several
> recommendations that were surprsing to me and which the insurance company
> is now expecting to be done:
>
> 1.Install a fire port on the engine compartment and a no residue
> extinguisher nearby.  I have never heard of this and the purchase survey
> done a few years early did not mention it.  It is not terribly expensive,
> but I can’t find a reasonable place to install the fire port.  One of the
> reasons I made sure to get a diesel engine was I thought that fire was not
> a significant risk with diesel fuel.  Does anyone else have this on their
> boat and is this a worthwhile safety upgrade?
>
> 2.  Install a high water alarm.  This seems to me to be overkill given the
> size of the boat and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to be
> trapped below water line in the event of a serious leak.  I also have an
> automatic bilge pump switch, so that would alert me if water were coming up
> to the floor boards.  Has anyone else installed an alarm?
>
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Dave,

The fire port is something that is appearing on new boats, especially those 
made in Europe. Not sure that all insurance companies would call for it with a 
Diesel engine, but you “got to do what you gotta do” .

That all said, the port is small, typically less than 1 & 1/2 inch in diameter. 
 Often located between the steps or on the side of the engine area depending.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of David Knecht via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 8:42 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

I had an insurance survey done recently and the surveyor made several 
recommendations that were surprsing to me and which the insurance company is 
now expecting to be done:

1.Install a fire port on the engine compartment and a no residue extinguisher 
nearby.  I have never heard of this and the purchase survey done a few years 
early did not mention it.  It is not terribly expensive, but I can’t find a 
reasonable place to install the fire port.  One of the reasons I made sure to 
get a diesel engine was I thought that fire was not a significant risk with 
diesel fuel.  Does anyone else have this on their boat and is this a worthwhile 
safety upgrade?

2.  Install a high water alarm.  This seems to me to be overkill given the size 
of the boat and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to be trapped below 
water line in the event of a serious leak.  I also have an automatic bilge pump 
switch, so that would alert me if water were coming up to the floor boards.  
Has anyone else installed an alarm?

Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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Stus-List Diesel engine fire?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I had an insurance survey done recently and the surveyor made several 
recommendations that were surprsing to me and which the insurance company is 
now expecting to be done:

1.Install a fire port on the engine compartment and a no residue extinguisher 
nearby.  I have never heard of this and the purchase survey done a few years 
early did not mention it.  It is not terribly expensive, but I can’t find a 
reasonable place to install the fire port.  One of the reasons I made sure to 
get a diesel engine was I thought that fire was not a significant risk with 
diesel fuel.  Does anyone else have this on their boat and is this a worthwhile 
safety upgrade?

2.  Install a high water alarm.  This seems to me to be overkill given the size 
of the boat and the fact that it is pretty much impossible to be trapped below 
water line in the event of a serious leak.  I also have an automatic bilge pump 
switch, so that would alert me if water were coming up to the floor boards.  
Has anyone else installed an alarm?

Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List - The Enterprise is Moving

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Or Oriental ! :)

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Mark Baldridge via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Unless you are going around Hatteras, maybe we can have a C NC get together 
as you come through. Maybe Belhaven or preferably Beaufort.

Mark Baldridge
~~_/)
'89 C/40+ #30 "The Edge"
Surf City, NC


On 6/1/2019 8:12 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:
All the best Ed! My friends boat was at lincoln harbor weehawkin NJ. Other side 
of the hudson and very $$ so i can imagine. City island!
My 37 is now docked in  Rick Brass territory Oriental NC. I leave her plugged 
in but only turn fridge ( sometimes A/C ) on when I arrive On weekends. I leave 
her in but do winterize Drain everything  small heater as we can hit below 
freezing. You wont have this problem! :)
Enjoy the FL coast ( and pool!)  and Happy Sailing !!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
www.flirtingwithfire.net


On May 31, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Jon,

You could say it’s around the corner, but only if you are talking on a 
country-wide scale. This summer, the Enterprise will be moving to a slip at the 
Venice Yacht Club in Venice, FL — In fact, fellow lister Captain Rick Brass is 
working up a full plan and quote to bring her down.

My business and residence will also be moving to southern Sarasota. You could 
say it has been an eventful winter around here.

So, the Enterprise will travel over 1,300 miles to continue the voyages she has 
begun, seeking out strange new marinas and southern Florida civilizations, 
boldly going where no man, or no one, has gone before.

Aside from Bruce’s C 37+ and a few others I know about, there’s not a whole 
lot of C action in the Gulf area, but maybe others will one day follow us to 
also live where others vacation. There is something VERY satisfying in knowing 
that last October was the last time I’ll winterize my engine and that I won’t 
really need to haul the boat again for at least a few years, then only to slap 
some new paint on the bottom and then go back sailing again.

I’d love to get a Rendezvous together for late June or something like that in 
the LI Sound area — stay tuned for that.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
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On May 31, 2019, at 3:30 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd,  we do shore power as described by Josh.
Where you moving to?
‘Round the corner?
Any updates on rendezvous?
We are in Stamford now with no excuses.
Jon Pratt
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