Re: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2

[Rich via CnC-List]

I have a C 35-3 and moved my traveler aft off the doghouse to behind the 
companionway. My sailmaker made a strop made of amsteel. Super strong. I simply 
tied a thin line from end of boom to strop to keep it from sliding forward. 
Works great. 

Sent from my iPhone
Richard Spitzenberger  CPA
R JMS
r...@spitzenbergercpa.com


> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:21 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Charlie,
>  
> That is an interesting thought!  How do you keep yours from slipping down the 
> boom?  How wide would you say the webbing is?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Jim
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 9:12 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2
>  
> Why not consider a strong webbing type strap with sewn loops on each 
> end?--can be very strong, cheap and indestructible. I have been using the 
> same one on Water Phantom for 20+ years.
>  
> Charlie Nelson
> C 36 XL/kcb
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: firewater 
> Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2019 9:30 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> We were headed out for the last race of the season Saturday and as we loaded 
> up the main for the first time, the fitting on the boom that  attaches to the 
> main sheet snapped off our 30-2.  This was a single eye attached to a plate 
> riveted to the inside of the boom.  I suspect this probably just weakened 
> over time and happened to give out at the weld.   It was quite windy, but at 
> that point the stresses on the mainsheet weren’t out of the ordinary since we 
> were just motoring out of the harbor.  No other damage to the boat and no 
> harm to the crew as a result of this, so it could have been much worse.
>  
> Now the issue is how to find a replacement.  Anyone have an idea if these are 
> available off the shelf or have another idea for replacement?  RigRite does 
> not recognize it.  I have also contacted Offshore Spars, who I believe made 
> the rig originally and helped me out with a boom vang bracket last year. 
> RigRite has one that is similar size but with a different hole pattern that I 
> probably could make work, but still hoping for a true replacement if I can 
> get one.  Thanks for your help!
>  
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
> Milwaukee, WI 
>  
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Stus-List Solar panels

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Nice install Andy! That looks really well done. Curious how many amps you are 
getting in full sun. Len


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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

In each of the cases noted about Flex o Fold, are we talking about the 3 blade 
or two blade models?  The recommend a 3 blade for my 37/40 with a Yanmar 
3JH2E.Looking forward to your thoughts,Bruce Whitmore Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Re: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Charlie,

 

That is an interesting thought!  How do you keep yours from slipping down the 
boom?  How wide would you say the webbing is?

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Charlie Nelson via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 9:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2

 

Why not consider a strong webbing type strap with sewn loops on each end?--can 
be very strong, cheap and indestructible. I have been using the same one on 
Water Phantom for 20+ years. 

 

Charlie Nelson

C 36 XL/kcb



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To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: firewater mailto:firewa...@reinardy.us> >
Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2019 9:30 pm
Subject: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2

Hi all,

 

We were headed out for the last race of the season Saturday and as we loaded up 
the main for the first time, the fitting on the boom that  attaches to the main 
sheet snapped off our 30-2.  This was a single eye attached to a plate riveted 
to the inside of the boom.  I suspect this probably just weakened over time and 
happened to give out at the weld.   It was quite windy, but at that point the 
stresses on the mainsheet weren’t out of the ordinary since we were just 
motoring out of the harbor.  No other damage to the boat and no harm to the 
crew as a result of this, so it could have been much worse.

 

Now the issue is how to find a replacement.  Anyone have an idea if these are 
available off the shelf or have another idea for replacement?  RigRite does not 
recognize it.  I have also contacted Offshore Spars, who I believe made the rig 
originally and helped me out with a boom vang bracket last year. RigRite has 
one that is similar size but with a different hole pattern that I probably 
could make work, but still hoping for a true replacement if I can get one.  
Thanks for your help!

 

Jim Reinardy

C 30-2 “Firewater”

Milwaukee, WI 

 

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Re: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Why not consider a strong webbing type strap with sewn loops on each end?--can 
be very strong, cheap and indestructible. I have been using the same one on 
Water Phantom for 20+ years.
Charlie NelsonC 36 XL/kcb


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To: cnc-list 
Cc: firewater 
Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2019 9:30 pm
Subject: Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2

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all,  We were headed out for the last race of the season Saturday and as we 
loaded up the main for the first time, the fitting on the boom that  attaches 
to the main sheet snapped off our 30-2.  This was a single eye attached to a 
plate riveted to the inside of the boom.  I suspect this probably just weakened 
over time and happened to give out at the weld.   It was quite windy, but at 
that point the stresses on the mainsheet weren’t out of the ordinary since we 
were just motoring out of the harbor.  No other damage to the boat and no harm 
to the crew as a result of this, so it could have been much worse.  Now the 
issue is how to find a replacement.  Anyone have an idea if these are available 
off the shelf or have another idea for replacement?  RigRite does not recognize 
it.  I have also contacted Offshore Spars, who I believe made the rig 
originally and helped me out with a boom vang bracket last year. RigRite has 
one that is similar size but with a different hole pattern that I probably 
could make work, but still hoping for a true replacement if I can get one.  
Thanks for your help!  Jim ReinardyC 30-2 “Firewater”Milwaukee, WI   
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Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

Hi Everyone,

been following the folding prop thread with interest.  I had a Michegan
Sailor 16 x 10 R fixed prop for 10 years.  It was fine for all purposes
except sailing where it was like towing a drogue.  I changed this year to a
FlexoFold 16 x 11 and my observations are these:

1. FlexoFold has a bit more vibration across the rpm spectrum but not much
and I can live with that if it gets the job done.  Install was a breeze
which means I didn't have to hire anyone.
2. with the Michegan sailor at 2200 - 2400 rpm I would cruise in relatively
flat water at 5-5.2 knots.  With the FlexoFold I now cruise (same RPM)  at
6 - 6.3 knots.  I haven't tried for maximum RPM
3. reverse seems fine though not heavily tested in wind etc.
4. sailing, particularly in light winds feels like a different boat with
the FlexoFold (in a positive way!)

My question is what is the resultant engine change with this different
prop?  Knowing that Yanmar diesels like to be worked hard, is this
FlexoFold prop with faster boat speed but same RPM making my engine work
harder or not?  Do I have to drive the rpm higher?  Should I care about any
of this?

many thanks,Wade

ps.  incidentally, I took off, cleaned, tef gelled and reconnected every
wire I could find on the boat and my electrical system is dreamy again
.  thanks to all :-)

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:46 AM Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A couple more points.
>
> First I want to mention that what ultimately helped me get through
> the ordeal was Chuck Scheafer and this list.
>
> I knew from having actually motored on Chuck's boat and that the Max Prop
> would work well.  I went for the Flex O fold mostly because it was over
> $1,000 cheaper and appeared to have less drag.
>
> Chuck also put me in touch with another 34+ owner who's got a Flex-O-Fold
> installed.  I called him / he has the same 16 X 12 Flex o Fold I was sent
> and he also thought it was over-pitched. He can't get more than 2900-3000
> RPM either. He also told me he's replaced his engine mounts and  has to
> replace his cutlass bearing every other year.  After that conversation I
> knew I had to get a different prop.
>
> As for the comment about 2,850 RPM being an ideal RPM for the 3GM 30F
> that's true.  It's the ideal cruising RPM. as stated by Yanmar in the
> manual
>
> However, according to Yanmar's dyno testing graph the engine  makes 16 HP
> on the "Propeller Power Curve" at 2850 RPM.  The engine needs 3,400 RPM to
> make it's max rating of 24 HP "Propeller Power".  If it's struggling to get
> to 3000 in good weather, you might get to 2,700 - 2,800 in a stiff headwind
> and waves. Personally, I would not want to be in a storm with an engine
> struggling to make 16 HP  "Propeller power" pushing a 13,000 lbs 36 ft boat
> through rough waters...
>
> - Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Boom Bail for 30-2

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Hi all,

 

We were headed out for the last race of the season Saturday and as we loaded
up the main for the first time, the fitting on the boom that  attaches to
the main sheet snapped off our 30-2.  This was a single eye attached to a
plate riveted to the inside of the boom.  I suspect this probably just
weakened over time and happened to give out at the weld.   It was quite
windy, but at that point the stresses on the mainsheet weren't out of the
ordinary since we were just motoring out of the harbor.  No other damage to
the boat and no harm to the crew as a result of this, so it could have been
much worse.

 

Now the issue is how to find a replacement.  Anyone have an idea if these
are available off the shelf or have another idea for replacement?  RigRite
does not recognize it.  I have also contacted Offshore Spars, who I believe
made the rig originally and helped me out with a boom vang bracket last
year. RigRite has one that is similar size but with a different hole pattern
that I probably could make work, but still hoping for a true replacement if
I can get one.  Thanks for your help!

 

Jim Reinardy

C 30-2 "Firewater"

Milwaukee, WI 

 

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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

yeah this looks really good and out of the way altogether.  Nice job Andy
Wade

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> Andy,
> Your panel install looks great.
>
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
> Sv Rebecca Leah
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>
> Hi there - I forgot to attach pictures to my last post regarding solar
> panels...
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1sMor7GoNWHbobY77
>
> Andy
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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

would love to see a photo of your setup Andy

Wade
Oh Boy C 33 MK II

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> Hi there,
>
> Not exactly what you're looking for but I laboured over the flexible /
> rigid panel installation and finally went with flexible.  I thought others
> may be interested also.
>
> - 2 x 100 watt panels
> - 2 x nylon straps pulled tight side to side over the bimini
> - panel edges protected covered with pipe insulation to protect bimini
> - panels zap strapped to bimini
> - pool noodle squeezed over front edge of panels to "flatten" the fore-aft
> profile
>
> 5 minutes to remove and 10 minutes to replace.  I leave them on April to
> November and will stow below for the winter.
>
> Andy
> 33-2
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

[sv Rebecca Leah via CnC-List]

Andy,Your panel install looks great. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah C 
LF39253-208-1412Port Orchard YC wa.
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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels? Hi there - I forgot to attach 
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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

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Hi there - I forgot to attach pictures to my last post regarding solar panels...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1sMor7GoNWHbobY77

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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

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Any pictures??

Neil
1982 C 32, FoxFire
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Hi there,

Not exactly what you're looking for but I laboured over the flexible / rigid 
panel installation and finally went with flexible. I thought others may be 
interested also.

- 2 x 100 watt panels
- 2 x nylon straps pulled tight side to side over the bimini
- panel edges protected covered with pipe insulation to protect bimini
- panels zap strapped to bimini
- pool noodle squeezed over front edge of panels to "flatten" the fore-aft 
profile

5 minutes to remove and 10 minutes to replace. I leave them on April to 
November and will stow below for the winter.

Andy
33-2


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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

[Andrew Walther via CnC-List]

Hi there,

Not exactly what you're looking for but I laboured over the flexible / rigid 
panel installation and finally went with flexible.  I thought others may be 
interested also.

- 2 x 100 watt panels
- 2 x nylon straps pulled tight side to side over the bimini
- panel edges protected covered with pipe insulation to protect bimini
- panels zap strapped to bimini
- pool noodle squeezed over front edge of panels to "flatten" the fore-aft 
profile

5 minutes to remove and 10 minutes to replace.  I leave them on April to 
November and will stow below for the winter.

Andy
33-2


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Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

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I have a 40w panel that keeps the batteries topped off too.

Jeff


On Mon., Sep. 23, 2019, 9:57 a.m. nausetbeach--- via CnC-List, <
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> Rob,
>
>
>
> What is your winter procedure to get such long life?  I have been removing
> my 3 flooded batteries and storing them in my garage, giving them a monthly
> charge “top up.”  Would much rather not carry them down and then back up
> the ladder comes spring.  My boat is 1 hour away in the winter so do not
> get there that often to give them a regular charge.
>
>
>
> Do you charge them on regular visits to the boat?  Do you disconnect them
> and let them sit, with very slow self discharge during the colder months?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Abbott via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2019 8:47 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Robert Abbott 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Flooded Batteries
>
>
>
> I have two Group 27's Great Northern deep cycle batteries that have just
> seen their 11th season of use.leave them on the boat over the winter.
>
> Time to get new ones but they just keep on going.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32, #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 9/22/2019 10:28 PM, Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak batteries
> that are causing engine startng issues.
>
>
>
> Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Peter Cowenhoven
>
> Branford CT
>
> Landfall 35
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
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Re: Stus-List Keel Gouge Repair

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

No picture but the repair should be simple.


   1. Grind out the gouge and margins to bright lead
   2. Immediately apply neat (unthickened) epoxy by rubbing it on with a
   ScotchBrite pad.  This will remove any surface oxidation and coat the lead
   with epoxy.
   3. Fill the with epoxy thickened with colloidal silica.
   4. Sand to contour being careful not to expose lead.  If you do, repeat
   step 2.
   5. Fair with AwlFair or equivalent.
   6. Paint

While you're at it, inspect the entire keel for knicks, gouges, etc.  The
trailing edge of the keel should be straight and faired to 1/4 inch width.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 12:00 PM Luke Wolbrink via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> While headed up the river to take Zella (35-3) out for the season (yes, I
> know it's early) I hit some sort of underwater obstruction at about 4kts.
> Took a chunk out of the keel with it as you can see in the photo. Any
> suggestions on how to repair? Just clean up the edges and fill it with
> thickened epoxy and fair it? For those of you worried, I'm well aware of
> the dangers of working with/around lead so proper precautions will be taken.
>
> Thanks,
> Luke
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[Luke Wolbrink via CnC-List]

Hello all,

While headed up the river to take Zella (35-3) out for the season (yes, I
know it's early) I hit some sort of underwater obstruction at about 4kts.
Took a chunk out of the keel with it as you can see in the photo. Any
suggestions on how to repair? Just clean up the edges and fill it with
thickened epoxy and fair it? For those of you worried, I'm well aware of
the dangers of working with/around lead so proper precautions will be taken.

Thanks,
Luke
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Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I'm not sure where you are located. How cold are your winters

The colder the winter the less often you need to recharge the batteries
over winter (this is assuming you do no ever use the batteries when they
are cold). This also assumes you start the storage period with the
batteries fully charged.  If you have cold winters, or even coolish winters
there is no good reason to take the batteries out of the boat.

Self discharge slows as the temperature drops.

Does that help?

Ken H.

On Monday, 23 September 2019, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>
>
>
> What is your winter procedure to get such long life?  I have been
removing my 3 flooded batteries and storing them in my garage, giving them
a monthly charge “top up.”  Would much rather not carry them down and then
back up the ladder comes spring.  My boat is 1 hour away in the winter so
do not get there that often to give them a regular charge.
>
>
>
> Do you charge them on regular visits to the boat?  Do you disconnect them
and let them sit, with very slow self discharge during the colder months?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Robert Abbott
via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:47 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Robert Abbott 
> Subject: Stus-List Flooded Batteries
>
>
>
> I have two Group 27's Great Northern deep cycle batteries that have just
seen their 11th season of use.leave them on the boat over the winter.
>
> Time to get new ones but they just keep on going.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32, #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 9/22/2019 10:28 PM, Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak batteries
that are causing engine startng issues.
>
>
>
> Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Peter Cowenhoven
>
> Branford CT
>
> Landfall 35
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
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Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Callisto currently has 4x 6V golf cart batteries from Costco, but is wired
for six: two under the after quarterberth, two at the bottom of the hanging
locker beside the engine, and two in a custom box in port cockpit locker.
Never any problem starting our 4 cyl VW diesel (850CCA specified), even
when battery voltage is low (as low as 11.8V) from fridge running at anchor
after a few cloudy days. We have 150W of solar, no shore charger, and two
60A alternators on the engine, one with a manually adjustable regulator to
allow for higher charging voltage, although I usually leave it on auto.

Although the wiring done by a previous owner is a bit scary, it all seems
to work well. The batteries in the cabin aren't vented, which is something
I might try to resolve this winter. I'm not sure if just venting to the
area under the cockpit is sufficient? I have considered adding a fan to
exhaust some heat from the fridge and engine area to improve fridge
efficiency.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:28 AM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Flooded since day 1.  But I use golf cart (or sweeper if I can get them) 6
> volt batteries that are both inexpensive and robust.I fortunately have
> the headroom for such batteries in the cockpit locker.  Shelf has been
> reinforced for added load.
>
>
>
> And they stay in boat all winter.   Charge them up once in a while.
>
>
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *1981 40-2*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Peter
> Cowenhoven via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 22, 2019 9:29 PM
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Peter Cowenhoven 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Flooded Batteries
>
>
>
> Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak batteries
> that are causing engine startng issues.
>
>
>
> Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Peter Cowenhoven
>
> Branford CT
>
> Landfall 35
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
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Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Brian,

I used to do that (removed the batteries, take them home, etc.), but 
apparently, if they are properly charged, they would last the whole winter. If 
anything, the low temperatures are good for their health. If they are not self 
discharging, they would not freeze. make sure, though, that they are fully 
disconnected from the boat. A small parasitic load can destroy the batteries 
over that 5-6 month period.

For the last 4 years I keep the batteries in the boat and I did not notice any 
difference. At the spring commissioning, they are still at about 85%-90% SoC.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 09:57
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

Rob,

What is your winter procedure to get such long life?  I have been removing my 3 
flooded batteries and storing them in my garage, giving them a monthly charge 
“top up.”  Would much rather not carry them down and then back up the ladder 
comes spring.  My boat is 1 hour away in the winter so do not get there that 
often to give them a regular charge.

Do you charge them on regular visits to the boat?  Do you disconnect them and 
let them sit, with very slow self discharge during the colder months?

Thanks,
Brian

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

I have two Group 27's Great Northern deep cycle batteries that have just seen 
their 11th season of use.leave them on the boat over the winter.

Time to get new ones but they just keep on going.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32, #277
Halifax, N.S.
On 9/22/2019 10:28 PM, Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List wrote:
Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak batteries that 
are causing engine startng issues.

Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.

Thanks in advance.

Peter Cowenhoven
Branford CT
Landfall 35
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Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Flooded since day 1.  But I use golf cart (or sweeper if I can get them) 6 volt 
batteries that are both inexpensive and robust.I fortunately have the 
headroom for such batteries in the cockpit locker.  Shelf has been reinforced 
for added load.

And they stay in boat all winter.   Charge them up once in a while.


David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Peter Cowenhoven 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 9:29 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Peter Cowenhoven 
Subject: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak batteries that 
are causing engine startng issues.

Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.

Thanks in advance.

Peter Cowenhoven
Branford CT
Landfall 35
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Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

Rob,

 

What is your winter procedure to get such long life?  I have been removing my 3 
flooded batteries and storing them in my garage, giving them a monthly charge 
“top up.”  Would much rather not carry them down and then back up the ladder 
comes spring.  My boat is 1 hour away in the winter so do not get there that 
often to give them a regular charge.  

 

Do you charge them on regular visits to the boat?  Do you disconnect them and 
let them sit, with very slow self discharge during the colder months?  

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via 
CnC-List
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 8:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

 

I have two Group 27's Great Northern deep cycle batteries that have just seen 
their 11th season of use.leave them on the boat over the winter.

Time to get new ones but they just keep on going.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32, #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 9/22/2019 10:28 PM, Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List wrote:

Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak batteries that 
are causing engine startng issues. 

 

Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Peter Cowenhoven

Branford CT

Landfall 35

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Re: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I use two Deka deep cycle flooded for the house and a starting battery (also 
flooded) for the engine.

From: Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 9:28 PM
To: C List 
Cc: Peter Cowenhoven 
Subject: Stus-List Flooded Batteries

Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak batteries that 
are causing engine startng issues. 

Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.

Thanks in advance.

Peter Cowenhoven
Branford CT
Landfall 35


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Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

I have two Group 27's Great Northern deep cycle batteries that have just 
seen their 11th season of use.leave them on the boat over the winter.


Time to get new ones but they just keep on going.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32, #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 9/22/2019 10:28 PM, Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List wrote:
Anyone still use flooded batteries.  Looking to replace 3 weak 
batteries that are causing engine startng issues.


Are the AGM or Gel batteries worth the $$ s.

Thanks in advance.

Peter Cowenhoven
Branford CT
Landfall 35

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Stus-List Flooded Batteries

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

There is no simple answer to this.
I’ll start with the easy part – for *non life-cycle cost* issues, flooded loses 
big time.
We used to have flooded batteries and during Hurricane Charlie one of them 
broke open. The smell was an extra special treat and then some and that is 
before you add salt water to the mix, which gives you some nice chlorine. 
Flooded batteries have acid that can spill, can produce corrosive gases, will 
produce hydrogen that can explode, and can be all around dangerous and nasty.
Obviously people do use flooded batteries on boats, although AFAIK you cannot 
on a racing boat anymore, but they take some care to secure properly. In our 
boats the batteries can be right under where someone sleeps, so this is really 
important.
On to life cycle costs. I am leaving lithium batteries out of this whole 
discussion, that is a big $$$ commitment and is an ever changing field right 
now.
Long story short – Golf cart batteries win and win big on life cycle costs. 2 6 
volt 220 AH golf cars are probably around $200 total for both and are designed 
to be cycled and abused. You will get the most AH for the $$ no doubt and many 
a cruiser uses them. If you are not racing and have a place to safely secure 
them, I would give them strong consideration. The various car battery type 
marine batteries in my experience don’t last all that long unless they are a 
true deep cycle. Trojan makes some and I am not sure who else is a good brand 
today for that. It has been a long time since I bought wet batteries.

Moving on to solid/gelled electrolyte batteries, they have several advantages 
and some big disadvantages too. First off, there is more than one kind. Gel 
cells are NOT AGMs and AGMs are not gel cells! I have gel cells on my boat. 
They cost more than AGMs and have about twice the cycle life of the commonly 
sold AGM batteries. They are hard to find, expensive, and have specific 
charging requirements. Overcharging kills them quickly, you need battery 
chargers designed for them and an alternator regulator that can be set for 
them. They have the advantage of long life if treated well, have no liquid to 
leak, will not off-gas unless badly abused, and work mounted at any angle.  One 
very nice thing about gels is they have a very low self-discharge rate. Wet 
cells usually lose around 10% a month and gels are more like 1%. Back before I 
had shore power or solar I had no issue winterizing in December and starting 
the engine in March even after using the occasional light over the winter with 
no charging.

AGMs are another solid/gelled electrolyte type of battery and are far easier to 
find than gels. They usually have about half the cycle life of gels and also 
have specific charging requirements that are NOT THE SAME as gel batteries. 
They are far more tolerant of higher charging voltages. What kills them is not 
being topped off to 100%. If you have no shore power and no solar, they will 
have a short life unless you motor everyplace you go. AGMs can be found 
relatively cheap if you know where to look. East-Penn Deka makes all the West 
Marine batteries and they also do (or did, haven’t checked recently) make a 
private label Group 31 AGM for Sam’s Club that they were selling for less than 
50% of the West Marine price for the exact same thing. I think Sam’s labeled it 
an “Energizer”.

Joe
Coquina
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