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Probably makes it a lot more difficult to keep those invasive Asian carp
out of the lakes

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 1:27 PM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ludington Yacht Club, along the east shore of L. Michigan has had a very
> difficult time with water levels this year and last.  If the water
> continues to rise, it will close the club.  The docks are floating, but the
> LYC grounds around the building are flooded.  The parking lot has been
> raised maybe 18 inches, but on some days floods.  The club was closed for
> several weeks at the beginning of the summer due to water threatening
> electrical panels and backing up sewage.  Both have been remedied.  Access
> to the docks and building  from the parking lot has been via newly
> constructed (temporary?) 30ft to 50ft walkways built about 2.5 feet above
> grade (flooded by at least a foot of water).  If the water rises much more,
> the club will have to close.
>
> Another poster indicated this is all due to lack of evaporation and cold
> temps resulting in ice cover.  That's half the equation.  The L. Mich
> drainage basin received excessive rainfall this past summer which drove up
> water levels.  So, two factors -- rain and evaporation.
>
> This has been great for the shallow channels that the Army Corp won't
> dredge due to recreational use only, but not good for a lot of docks.
> There has also been increased danger for swimmers and folks walking out on
> piers -- the waves wash over the concrete piers with very little wind.
>
> Jeff Laman
> C&C34 "Harmony"
> Ludington, MI
>
> --
> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 23, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs
>
> FWIW, Toronto had flooded docks when I was there in July because of
> unusually high water levels.
>
> Chuck, Resolute, C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md
>
> On November 23, 2019 at 9:42 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> We are having problems on Lake Erie.  Portions of the Erie Yacht Club
> grounds were under water this spring and summer.  Even when the level
> dropped toward the end of the season, a strong breeze will change local
> levels and create a problem.  During the storm on October 31, the
> difference in lake level between Toledo and Buffalo was 14 feet.
>
> *From:* pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 23, 2019 6:34 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs
>
>
> We have record high water levels on Western Lake Superior and I understand
> others in the great lakes are experiencing the same if not worse.   With
> the forecast unclear if this water level is a new normal or cyclical, and
> the fixed docks at our club nearing max height, I’m wondering what other
> clubs are experiencing, expecting going forward and what measures you are
> implementing to accommodate?
>
>
>
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Did you get my posting re Masters FIS racing?

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On Nov 24, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:


There was a demonstration in front of the International Joint Commission office 
this weekend in Ottawa. People demand lowering the water levels as a 
pre-emptive move to avoid flooding next year.

Marek

From: CnC-List On Behalf Of CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: 23 November, 2019 15:30
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs

FWIW, Toronto had flooded docks when I was there in July because of unusually 
high water levels.

Chuck, Resolute, C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md

On November 23, 2019 at 9:42 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

We are having problems on Lake Erie.  Portions of the Erie Yacht Club grounds 
were under water this spring and summer.  Even when the level dropped toward 
the end of the season, a strong breeze will change local levels and create a 
problem.  During the storm on October 31, the difference in lake level between 
Toledo and Buffalo was 14 feet.

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 6:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs


We have record high water levels on Western Lake Superior and I understand 
others in the great lakes are experiencing the same if not worse.   With the 
forecast unclear if this water level is a new normal or cyclical, and the fixed 
docks at our club nearing max height, I’m wondering what other clubs are 
experiencing, expecting going forward and what measures you are implementing to 
accommodate?






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Re: Stus-List delrin washer

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

I just bought a solid rod of delrin and made a bushing for my cf bowsprit. I 
turned it on my wood lathe.
Pic on this FB post: https://www.facebook.com/groups/341181792745950/?ref=share


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> On Nov 24, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Actually, I made my Delran washer the other way around:
>  
> Got a square of 1/8” Delran from a buddy who owns a machine shop (actually, I 
> asked him where I could buy some and he said “Here, take this scrap section. 
> It’s too small for the things I normally need to make.”)
> Attached it to a piece of scrap plywood with a couple of spring clamp
> Cut the center hole with a hole saw
> Used the same pilot hole to cut out the washer
> I have enough material left to make at least one more washer if I ever need it
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:32 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List delrin washer
>  
> Note – if you do it yourself, use the BIG holesaw first and then use the 
> small one in the same pilot hole.
>  
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

There was a demonstration in front of the International Joint Commission office 
this weekend in Ottawa. People demand lowering the water levels as a 
pre-emptive move to avoid flooding next year.

Marek

From: CnC-List On Behalf Of CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: 23 November, 2019 15:30
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs

FWIW, Toronto had flooded docks when I was there in July because of unusually 
high water levels.

Chuck, Resolute, C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md

On November 23, 2019 at 9:42 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

We are having problems on Lake Erie.  Portions of the Erie Yacht Club grounds 
were under water this spring and summer.  Even when the level dropped toward 
the end of the season, a strong breeze will change local levels and create a 
problem.  During the storm on October 31, the difference in lake level between 
Toledo and Buffalo was 14 feet.

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 6:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs


We have record high water levels on Western Lake Superior and I understand 
others in the great lakes are experiencing the same if not worse.   With the 
forecast unclear if this water level is a new normal or cyclical, and the fixed 
docks at our club nearing max height, I’m wondering what other clubs are 
experiencing, expecting going forward and what measures you are implementing to 
accommodate?






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Re: Stus-List winterizing a 29-2

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would run the AF through the engine and the fresh water system and then push 
it out using compressed air. The shop vac might work, as well.

There is an easy way to run your engine on the hard - use a 5 gal bucket in the 
cockpit,  fill it with AF, attach a hose extension to your intake and put it 
into the bucket, run engine until all AF is gone. I use 5 gal to be sure - you 
don't want the AF to be diluted and you have to push out all the water from the 
lift muffler.

For the fresh water, I don't pour AF into the tank - it would smell, and you 
are encouraging the growth in it. Rather, empty the tank, purge the water from 
all hoses using the compressed air (shop vac??) and then disconnect the hose 
from the intake on the pump, attach a spare length of hose to it (I bought a 
spare connector that threads onto the pump), put that hose into a bucket of AF 
and run through all faucets until solid pink comes out. When done, again purge 
all remnants of the AF from the hoses using pressured air. An RV store would 
have a adapter that you can attach to your air compressor (<$10); amazon has 
them, as well (Camco 36153 or 36143).

If you have a water heater, install the bypass, so that AF won't run through it.

Make sure that you don't forget your bilge pump(s) (both automatic and manual), 
potentially a pump for the ice box and any other pump you might have. If you 
have a shower sump - AF should go there.

Good luck

Marek

1994 #122 "Legato" (on the hard for a month)
Ottawa, ON



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Steve Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: 24 November, 2019 10:53
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List winterizing a 29-2


I run engine coolant antifreeze through the engine and the head. Alcohol-based 
antifreeze is hard on rubber parts and seals. 

I used to use plumbing antifreeze (rated for potable water systems) in the 
onboard water supply system but found it difficult to eliminate the smell/taste 
afterwards. Now when I do it, I use a shop vac to suck the lines dry and run 
the water pump into the vac as well. 

Steve Thomas
On the hard in Ontario

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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Ludington Yacht Club, along the east shore of L. Michigan has had a very 
difficult time with water levels this year and last.  If the water continues to 
rise, it will close the club.  The docks are floating, but the LYC grounds 
around the building are flooded.  The parking lot has been raised maybe 18 
inches, but on some days floods.  The club was closed for several weeks at the 
beginning of the summer due to water threatening electrical panels and backing 
up sewage.  Both have been remedied.  Access to the docks and building  from 
the parking lot has been via newly constructed (temporary?) 30ft to 50ft 
walkways built about 2.5 feet above grade (flooded by at least a foot of 
water).  If the water rises much more, the club will have to close.

Another poster indicated this is all due to lack of evaporation and cold temps 
resulting in ice cover.  That's half the equation.  The L. Mich drainage basin 
received excessive rainfall this past summer which drove up water levels.  So, 
two factors -- rain and evaporation.

This has been great for the shallow channels that the Army Corp won't dredge 
due to recreational use only, but not good for a lot of docks.  There has also 
been increased danger for swimmers and folks walking out on piers -- the waves 
wash over the concrete piers with very little wind.

Jeff Laman
C&C34 "Harmony"
Ludington, MI


From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 3:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs

FWIW, Toronto had flooded docks when I was there in July because of unusually 
high water levels.

Chuck, Resolute, C&C 34R, Pasadena, Md

On November 23, 2019 at 9:42 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

We are having problems on Lake Erie.  Portions of the Erie Yacht Club grounds 
were under water this spring and summer.  Even when the level dropped toward 
the end of the season, a strong breeze will change local levels and create a 
problem.  During the storm on October 31, the difference in lake level between 
Toledo and Buffalo was 14 feet.

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 6:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs


We have record high water levels on Western Lake Superior and I understand 
others in the great lakes are experiencing the same if not worse.   With the 
forecast unclear if this water level is a new normal or cyclical, and the fixed 
docks at our club nearing max height, I’m wondering what other clubs are 
experiencing, expecting going forward and what measures you are implementing to 
accommodate?






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Re: Stus-List winterizing a 29-2

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I run engine coolant antifreeze through the engine and the head. Alcohol-based 
antifreeze is hard on rubber parts and seals. 

I used to use plumbing antifreeze (rated for potable water systems) in the 
onboard water supply system but found it difficult to eliminate the smell/taste 
afterwards. Now when I do it, I use a shop vac to suck the lines dry and run 
the water pump into the vac as well. 

Steve Thomas
On the hard in Ontario

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Re: Stus-List delrin washer

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Actually, I made my Delran washer the other way around:

 

Got a square of 1/8” Delran from a buddy who owns a machine shop (actually, I 
asked him where I could buy some and he said “Here, take this scrap section. 
It’s too small for the things I normally need to make.”)

Attached it to a piece of scrap plywood with a couple of spring clamp

Cut the center hole with a hole saw

Used the same pilot hole to cut out the washer

I have enough material left to make at least one more washer if I ever need it

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List delrin washer

 

Note – if you do it yourself, use the BIG holesaw first and then use the small 
one in the same pilot hole.

 

 

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Re: Stus-List winterizing a 29-2

[Thomas Perison via CnC-List]

Bev- 
I normally put the raw water intake hose into a gallon of antifreeze - closing 
thru 
-hull first! - turn on engine. Repeat. Takes a bit over 1 Gal to run thru the 
2GM. 
I haven’t used the onboard water for years - but have done similar by putting 
into tank and running the pumps until “pink”
Comes out of faucets. 
Cheers ! 
Tom 
“Therapy”
Solomons MD 

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> On Nov 23, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> This the first time a 29-2 has to be put up on the hard for the winter. Does 
> anyone has a winterizing program that we can use. The engine is a 2gmf.
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