Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Do I have to google the controlling depth of the Erie canal?  Step up, New 
Yorkers.  What's up there?

Chuck, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md



> On November 26, 2019 at 6:57 AM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> For tourism, portions of it may be great.  For commercial shipping 
> between New York City and Buffalo, I believe it’s a thing of the past.  
> Portions can still be seen along I 86 between Erie and Corning.  I suspect 
> it’s too shallow for my boat.
>  
> I’ll look into it.  Good idea.
>  
> From: Doug Robinson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:10 AM
> To: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Doug Robinson mailto:doug.robins...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
>  
> 
> Who ever told you the Erie Canal was defunct ?  Alive and well and lots 
> of loupers headed around the system.well worth the trip at least once.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

When?  That's something I'd relate dates for.



> On November 26, 2019 at 7:14 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not so long ago I took a Swan 59 down the Erie Canal from Oswego to the 
> Hudson with 10' draft. We touched a few places in mud but made it with no 
> serious hang ups.
> Andy
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 06:57, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> > > For tourism, portions of it may be great.  For commercial 
> shipping between New York City and Buffalo, I believe it’s a thing of the 
> past.  Portions can still be seen along I 86 between Erie and Corning.  I 
> suspect it’s too shallow for my boat.
> >  
> > I’ll look into it.  Good idea.
> >  
> > From: Doug Robinson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:10 AM
> > To: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Doug Robinson mailto:doug.robins...@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
> >  
> > 
> > Who ever told you the Erie Canal was defunct ?  Alive and well and 
> > lots of loupers headed around the system.well worth the trip at least 
> > once.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

[David Risch via CnC-List]

We have a 13 that recently scared the heck out of me in open water in Buzzards 
Bay.  So maybe not.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Rod Stright via 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 2:45:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rod Stright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

Do we have enough posts about water levels?  Anything about C would be nice

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:


Joe, I have a old 13 foot Whaler that we use on the Ohio River...it really gets 
lost in the big Cruiser waves!


Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

An old 13 footer. It would be awful out in a Great Lake on anything but a calm 
day. It can do canals.

Joe
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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now 
Erie Canal

Joe…how big a Whaler?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there is 
a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I’ll need 
some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a bit sore 
from sitting on a board.
Joe
Coquina
1973 C 35 MK I
Night Heron
1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport

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Wolford via CnC-List
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I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?

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Re: Stus-List Great Lakes

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Joe,
 
Definitely Lake Winnebago, the city of Oshkosh is on the west shore of it.  
It's a good sized inland lake, about 30 miles long and 10 miles wide, but 
shallow with sand bars and other navigation hazards.  Challenging for 
sailboats, lots of shoal drafts and swing keels there.
 
The Whaler would not be much fun on Lake Michigan most days, it's rarely that 
calm.  We occasionally get pontoon boats that decide to rent slips in our 
marina.  They never leave the breakwater and usually don't renew.
 
If you get to Milwaukee, you are always welcome on Firewater too!
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI
 
- Original Message - Subject: Stus-List Great Lakes
From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
Date: 11/26/19 10:54 am
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 

I have been to Chicago many times and seen that end of Lake Michigan. Flying to 
Oshkosh for the airshow the straight line is across Lake Michigan, but that 
water is COLD even in the summer so we swung south of Chicago and then back 
north. There was a lake off to our right while heading up north to Oshkosh. 
Lake Winnebago maybe
 We may show up and bug you all for a sail, it sounds fun :)
 The Whaler is miserable in any chop and wet too, so I think a canal is about 
all I would want to try with it. 
 
 
 Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I
 www.dellabarba.com
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Gee, there was boat traffic on the state barge canal (replaced the old Erie
Canal) while I was eating dinner at a canal side bistro in Utica earlier
this fall.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima
Hampton, Va

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 11:25 AM Mike Taylor via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Matthew
>
> I hope some has told all of the boaters using the defunct Erie Canal that
> they’ll have to find another way south or north depending the season.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
> *Date:* November 25, 2019 at 9:58:38 AM EST
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* "Matthew L. Wolford" 
> *Subject:* *Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C*
> *Reply-To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> 
> It doesn’t.
>
> Niagara Falls and the Welland Canal are the two main “exits” from Lake
> Erie.  As I understand it, much of the flow going down the Niagara River is
> diverted for hydraulic power, and presumably there is more flow now going
> over the falls due to the high lake level.  Obviously, it’s not draining
> fast enough.  The Welland is used for commercial freighter traffic and is
> consequently well-controlled with locks.  It would likely be too disruptive
> to try to use the Welland as a drain.  I believe the Erie Canal is largely
> defunct and was also controlled with locks.  Even if you could direct water
> through what’s left of that system, it would likely be overwhelmed before
> having much impact on the lake level.
>
> *From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2019 8:55 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joe Della Barba 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
>
>
> Next dumb question - assuming someone decides to lower Lake Ontario a bit,
> how well does that lower the other lakes, if at all?
>
> It seems like too much flow could flood Montreal. Last time I was in
> Montreal the current headed east was pretty strong anyway, so I assume this
> really could effect slow boats headed upstream.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
> On 11/25/2019 7:53 AM, Mike Taylor via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe
>
> The Moses-Saunders Power Dam ar Cornwall/Massena controls Lake Ontario and
> the out flow down stream.  There is a lot of controversy over the IJC Plan
> 2014.  The deciding factor is controlling the spring flooding at Montreal
> and depths for commercial traffic.  I’ve really simplified it, it is
> infinitely more complex.
>
> IJC Plan 2014
> https://legacyfiles.ijc.org/tinymce/uploaded/LOSLR/IJC_LOSR_EN_Web.pdf
>
> Mike
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> *Date:* November 25, 2019 at 6:52:39 AM EST
> *To:* mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov
> 
> *Subject:* *Re:  Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C*
> *Reply-To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> 
>
> This is maybe a really dumb question – is there a way to drain them?
>
> Does anything control the amount of water that heads out to sea down the
> St. Lawrence Seaway, Erie Canal, and so on?
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Do we have enough posts about water levels?  Anything about C would be nice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Joe, I have a old 13 foot Whaler that we use on the Ohio River...it really 
> gets lost in the big Cruiser waves!
> 
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 2:01 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal
> 
> An old 13 footer. It would be awful out in a Great Lake on anything but a 
> calm day. It can do canals.
>  
> Joe
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
> Risch via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:47 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: David Risch 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C 
> now Erie Canal
>  
> Joe…how big a Whaler?
>  
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal
>  
> I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
> vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there 
> is a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I’ll 
> need some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a 
> bit sore from sitting on a board.
> Joe
> Coquina
> 1973 C 35 MK I
> Night Heron
> 1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
> Wolford via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:25 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
>  
> I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?
>  
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Joe, I have a old 13 foot Whaler that we use on the Ohio River...it really gets 
lost in the big Cruiser waves!
 
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

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{} #yiv2555433742 An old 13 footer. It would be awful out in a Great Lake on 
anything but a calm day. It can do canals.    Joe From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of David Risch via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now 
Erie Canal    Joe…how big a Whaler?    David F. Risch (401) 419-4650    From: 
CnC-List On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal  
  I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there is 
a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I’ll need 
some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a bit sore 
from sitting on a board. Joe Coquina 1973 C 35 MK I Night Heron 1970 Boston 
Whaler 13 Sport    From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On 
Behalf Of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C    
I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?   
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

An old 13 footer. It would be awful out in a Great Lake on anything but a calm 
day. It can do canals.

Joe
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now 
Erie Canal

Joe…how big a Whaler?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there is 
a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I’ll need 
some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a bit sore 
from sitting on a board.
Joe
Coquina
1973 C 35 MK I
Night Heron
1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Joe…how big a Whaler?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there is 
a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I’ll need 
some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a bit sore 
from sitting on a board.
Joe
Coquina
1973 C 35 MK I
Night Heron
1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?

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Stus-List Great Lakes

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have been to Chicago many times and seen that end of Lake Michigan. Flying to 
Oshkosh for the airshow the straight line is across Lake Michigan, but that 
water is COLD even in the summer so we swung south of Chicago and then back 
north. There was a lake off to our right while heading up north to Oshkosh.  
Lake Winnebago maybe
We may show up and bug you all for a sail, it sounds fun :)
The Whaler is miserable in any chop and wet too, so I think a canal is about 
all I would want to try with it. 


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com





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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len Mitchell 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 12:33 PM
To: CNC List 
Cc: Len Mitchell 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Great Lakes

Joe, while the whaler would work in the Erie Canal or the Trent Severn Canal 
system, it doesn’t give you much exposure to the Great Lakes. If you are on the 
Great Lakes and the weather picks up, it can get quite rough. The waves are 
close together and steep, without the large swells you get ocean sailing. 
Fortunately we usually get steady light winds in the summer. Georgian Bay, 
where we keep Crazy Legs is approx 120miles x 50miles. As a generalization, 
north is a mine field with shield rock and the south can be sandy beaches 
mostly covered in homes and cottages. I prefer the north. My invitation from 
the rendezvous has no expiry date. Pick a place you want to sail, I am sure you 
will find a C there. Use Google Earth and check it out, start with the North 
Chanel. You must have flown over the lakes at some point? Len
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[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Joe, while the whaler would work in the Erie Canal or the Trent Severn Canal 
system, it doesn’t give you much exposure to the Great Lakes. If you are on the 
Great Lakes and the weather picks up, it can get quite rough. The waves are 
close together and steep, without the large swells you get ocean sailing. 
Fortunately we usually get steady light winds in the summer. Georgian Bay, 
where we keep Crazy Legs is approx 120miles x 50miles. As a generalization, 
north is a mine field with shield rock and the south can be sandy beaches 
mostly covered in homes and cottages. I prefer the north. My invitation from 
the rendezvous has no expiry date. Pick a place you want to sail, I am sure you 
will find a C there. Use Google Earth and check it out, start with the North 
Chanel. You must have flown over the lakes at some point? Len
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

I've done several trips on the NY State canals, they really are a 
working museum, well worth the investment in time/money.  You can rent 
40' canal boats in Albany, travel in style for a weekend or week-long 
trip.  The Champlain Canal is really nice, through the Adirondacks to 
Lake Champlain.  NY State put a lot of $$ into developing waterfronts in 
the canal towns in the early 2000's, makes for good cruising.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 11/26/2019 8:01 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a 
week vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I 
think there is a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind 
of thing. I’ll need some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the 
Whaler and ended up a bit sore from sitting on a board.


Joe

Coquina

1973 C 35 MK I

Night Heron

1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport




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[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Better get there before the Asian Carp take over

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:14 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have always wanted to see the Great Lakes. All our lakes down my way are
> made by dams, so until recently they were just some woods in a valley.
> There aren’t any port towns or anything like that, just water and houses.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I*
>
> *www.dellabarba.com *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Neil Andersen [mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:09 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for
> C now Erie Canal
>
>
>
> The Admiral and I circumnavigated Lake Ontario a couple of years ago (by
> car) and had a really great time.  I like the idea of doing it by boat.
> That would be a wonderful trip.  Mast down through the canal (down at
> Albany and back up when you get to the lake).
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C 32, FoxFire
>
> Headed for the hard in Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Neil Andersen
>
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> 
>
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now
> Erie Canal
>
>
>
> I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week
> vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think
> there is a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing.
> I’ll need some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended
> up a bit sore from sitting on a board.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> 1973 C 35 MK I
>
> Night Heron
>
> 1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Matthew L. Wolford via
> CnC-List
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> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for
> C
>
>
>
> I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?
>
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[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

They refer to them as “inland oceans” for a reason.  They’re massive and 
beautiful.  Let me know if you’re ever up this way during sailing season.

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

I have always wanted to see the Great Lakes. All our lakes down my way are made 
by dams, so until recently they were just some woods in a valley. There aren’t 
any port towns or anything like that, just water and houses.

 

 

Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I

www.dellabarba.com

 

 

 




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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have always wanted to see the Great Lakes. All our lakes down my way are made 
by dams, so until recently they were just some woods in a valley. There aren't 
any port towns or anything like that, just water and houses.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: Neil Andersen [mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now 
Erie Canal

The Admiral and I circumnavigated Lake Ontario a couple of years ago (by car) 
and had a really great time.  I like the idea of doing it by boat.  That would 
be a wonderful trip.  Mast down through the canal (down at Albany and back up 
when you get to the lake).

Neil
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Headed for the hard in Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there is 
a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I'll need 
some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a bit sore 
from sitting on a board.
Joe
Coquina
1973 C 35 MK I
Night Heron
1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport

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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

I'll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?

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[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

The Admiral and I circumnavigated Lake Ontario a couple of years ago (by car) 
and had a really great time.  I like the idea of doing it by boat.  That would 
be a wonderful trip.  Mast down through the canal (down at Albany and back up 
when you get to the lake).

Neil
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Headed for the hard in Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C now Erie Canal

I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there is 
a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I’ll need 
some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a bit sore 
from sitting on a board.
Joe
Coquina
1973 C 35 MK I
Night Heron
1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?

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[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Mast on a truck headed for Newport. It is a pain having it on deck, but it’s 
certainly do-able.
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

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http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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> On Nov 26, 2019, at 07:24, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?
>  
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:14 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Andrew Burton
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
>  
> Not so long ago I took a Swan 59 down the Erie Canal from Oswego to the 
> Hudson with 10' draft. We touched a few places in mud but made it with no 
> serious hang ups.
> Andy
> 
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[Mike Taylor via CnC-List]

Doug

Troy is a little to far upstream to take a mast down.  Most do it at Hop O Nose 
in Catskills or for the DIY Type at Castleton Boat Club.  All stop at the 
beautiful town of Waterford whether north or south bound.  We spent a month 
there this past spring waiting for the canals to open.  Thirty plus boats 
headed up either the Erie or Champlain

Mike
Begin forwarded message:

> From: Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
> Date: November 26, 2019 at 1:07:58 AM EST
> To: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
> Cc: Doug Robinson 
> Subject: Re:  Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
> Reply-To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> 
> FYI:  ATL (Andrews Truck Lines, Virgil Ontario).  Owners returning from the 
> south do unstep the mast at Troy, restep them at Oswego and sail Ontario to 
> the Welland.  Some continue on the raging Erie if under 12ft air draft on the 
> way west to bypass the Welland.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/25/19 9:53 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>> When we were in Montreal I saw few boats. I was informed they are all over 
>> at Lake Champlain. We would have to go the wrong way up the Saint Lawrence 
>> to get to the Great Lakes, I cannot fit under the bridges on the Erie Canal. 
>> Your trip going to the Bahamas sounds like more the right direction! I often 
>> wonder how our boat got to the East Coast. Did C motor them down the Erie 
>> with the masts unstepped? Go all the way out the long way via the Saint 
>> Lawrence? Trucks?
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
>> Taylor via CnC-List
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 9:33 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Mike Taylor 
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fwd: Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
>>  
>> Joe
>>  
>> I lived in Montreal for a while and made the trip from there to the Thousand 
>> Islands four times in a Tanzer 26 with a 9.9hp strapped to the transom.  The 
>> current is very strong in several places, up to 4 - 4.5 knots.  A times I 
>> thought I was go I get backwards.  I also went out the St. Lawrence in 2014 
>> on my way to the Bahamas. It’s easy to do 10 knots maybe more.  Did 13.1 
>> motor sailing with the current around Tadoussac.
>>  
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>> Date: November 25, 2019 at 8:56:28 AM EST
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Joe Della Barba 
>> Subject: Re:  Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
>> Reply-To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> 
>> 
>> Next dumb question - assuming someone decides to lower Lake Ontario a bit, 
>> how well does that lower the other lakes, if at all?
>> 
>> It seems like too much flow could flood Montreal. Last time I was in 
>> Montreal the current headed east was pretty strong anyway, so I assume this 
>> really could effect slow boats headed upstream.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>> On 11/25/2019 7:53 AM, Mike Taylor via CnC-List wrote:
>> Joe
>>  
>> The Moses-Saunders Power Dam ar Cornwall/Massena controls Lake Ontario and 
>> the out flow down stream.  There is a lot of controversy over the IJC Plan 
>> 2014.  The deciding factor is controlling the spring flooding at Montreal 
>> and depths for commercial traffic.  I’ve really simplified it, it is 
>> infinitely more complex.
>>  
>> IJC Plan 2014
>> https://legacyfiles.ijc.org/tinymce/uploaded/LOSLR/IJC_LOSR_EN_Web.pdf
>>  
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>> Date: November 25, 2019 at 6:52:39 AM EST
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
>> Subject: Re:  Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C
>> Reply-To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> 
>> 
>> This is maybe a really dumb question – is there a way to drain them?
>> Does anything control the amount of water that heads out to sea down the St. 
>> Lawrence Seaway, Erie Canal, and so on?
>>  
>> Joe
>> Coquina
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have thought of taking the Whaler up there and putting it in for a week 
vacation. We could go from town to town and stay at B Also I think there is 
a canal around Toronto maybe that is good for that kind of thing. I’ll need 
some seat cushions though, I did 60 miles in the Whaler and ended up a bit sore 
from sitting on a board.
Joe
Coquina
1973 C 35 MK I
Night Heron
1970 Boston Whaler 13 Sport

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?

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I’ll have to look into it.  Mast down, I assume?

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

Not so long ago I took a Swan 59 down the Erie Canal from Oswego to the Hudson 
with 10' draft. We touched a few places in mud but made it with no serious hang 
ups.
Andy

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Not so long ago I took a Swan 59 down the Erie Canal from Oswego to the Hudson 
with 10' draft. We touched a few places in mud but made it with no serious hang 
ups.
Andy

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> On Nov 26, 2019, at 06:57, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> For tourism, portions of it may be great.  For commercial shipping between 
> New York City and Buffalo, I believe it’s a thing of the past.  Portions can 
> still be seen along I 86 between Erie and Corning.  I suspect it’s too 
> shallow for my boat.
>  
> I’ll look into it.  Good idea.
>  
> From: Doug Robinson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:10 AM
> To: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
> Cc: Doug Robinson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C
>  
> Who ever told you the Erie Canal was defunct ?  Alive and well and lots of 
> loupers headed around the system.well worth the trip at least once.
> 
>  
> 
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[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

For tourism, portions of it may be great.  For commercial shipping between New 
York City and Buffalo, I believe it’s a thing of the past.  Portions can still 
be seen along I 86 between Erie and Corning.  I suspect it’s too shallow for my 
boat.

I’ll look into it.  Good idea.

From: Doug Robinson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:10 AM
To: Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Cc: Doug Robinson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C

Who ever told you the Erie Canal was defunct ?  Alive and well and lots of 
loupers headed around the system.well worth the trip at least once.





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If they let out too much water it impedes freighter traffic and would flood 
Montreal .  

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:52 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is maybe a really dumb question – is there a way to drain them?
> Does anything control the amount of water that heads out to sea down the St. 
> Lawrence Seaway, Erie Canal, and so on?
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
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