Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm hearing that you tried to furl from 2/3 rolled out?  If so, most likely
scenario (barring some sort of halyard wrap) was that your furling line was
loosely wrapped in the drum as soon as you unfurled then tightened up as
you sailed with the furling line cleated.  What probably happened is you
had an override in the drum.  That is, a wrap or two tightened on itself
and prevented you from pulling any more line from the drum.  Each puff and
tack may have tightened the override.  Been there, done that.

To prevent this (and you may already know this):

   1. first, make sure the first block in your furling line system is
   adjusted so the furling line leads perpendicular into the center of the
   drum.  I usually sight the line from off the boat to see if it is
   perpendicular to the forestay.  If the block is too high, the line will
   ball up in the upper part of the drum.  If too low, it will ball up in the
   lower part of the drum.  Both situations will make the system prone to
   overrides.
   2. Second, as others have said, keep a bit of tension on the furling
   line when unfurling.  That will cause the wraps to be tighter on the drum
   from the beginning, thus minimizing any opportunity for overrides.  Touche'
   has a Harken ratcheting carbo block for the aftmost block in the system.
   With the ratchet on and a 90 degree turn into the cockpit, the furling line
   always has a bit of tension as the sail unfurls.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 4:11 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
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> Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat
> water and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :)
> Heading back to the marina the wind was increasing and when we went to
> roll the sail up, it was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and
> folding it up like it was the 1970s or something. THE HORROR
> Anyway, the line for the furler feels kind of old and crappy. Has anyone
> ever had the line jam itself inside the drum cover?
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
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> January days
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Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Yes on my last sail ! 
1st time ever and I really took the time when unfurling to be sure it didn’t 
wrap. Well it sure did some how Stuck I was able to finally get it free with 
pressure on the line close to the drum I use regatta braid and it may be 
getting little old?

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
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> On Jan 11, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat water 
> and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :) Heading back to 
> the marina the wind was increasing and when we went to roll the sail up, it 
> was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and folding it up like it was the 
> 1970s or something. THE HORROR Anyway, the line for the furler feels 
> kind of old and crappy. Has anyone ever had the line jam itself inside the 
> drum cover?
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
> C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree January 
> days
> 
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Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Yes I have. Happened when i had the 135 furled to 115 in about 20 kt
apparent wind speed. Lots of tension on that 5/16 inch line inside the drum
where most of the line was not wound that tight on the drum as the sail was
unfurled in lighter air
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 6:11 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat
> water and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :)
> Heading back to the marina the wind was increasing and when we went to
> roll the sail up, it was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and
> folding it up like it was the 1970s or something. THE HORROR
> Anyway, the line for the furler feels kind of old and crappy. Has anyone
> ever had the line jam itself inside the drum cover?
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree
> January days
>
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Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Hey.  I still sail like it’s the 1970s :)  On my 1972 boat.  The Admiral keeps 
bugging me to get a furler, but I like being able to hot-swap headsails in the 
middle of a race.  Especially since I’ve torn headsails about a half-dozen 
times in the heat of the battle.  Or just because conditions can change 
dramatically between leaving the marina and crossing the finish line.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jan 11, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat water 
> and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :) Heading back to 
> the marina the wind was increasing and when we went to roll the sail up, it 
> was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and folding it up like it was the 
> 1970s or something. THE HORROR Anyway, the line for the furler feels 
> kind of old and crappy. Has anyone ever had the line jam itself inside the 
> drum cover?
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
> C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree January 
> days
> 
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Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Whatever else I do, I'll start with a new furling line and then check 
the halyard angle.


Frequently in Maryland there are more good sailing days in January and 
February than March and April. Sometimes it is nasty cold and rainy from 
March into around the first week of May when you go to bed with the heat 
on and wake up needing air conditioning - "instant summer" we call it.


Joe

Coquina

On 1/11/2020 5:22 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
I struggled with jamming under various conditions on mine, and found 
the following issues affected things, and when I pay attention to 
them, jams are much less frequent. These may be obvious to you, but 
they weren't to me... :)


1. Halyard tension - too tight makes it difficult to furl, and too 
loose may result in halyard wrapping around the foil at the top.
2. Furling line not lead to centre of drum - offset will cause line to 
pile up and cross itself leading to jams.
3. Not tailing the furling line to apply light pressure during 
unfurling - too loose a line, especially if sail whips out too fast, 
can result in a mess of line crossing itself on the spool. Maybe not 
an issue in light winds, but a jammer for sure in a breeze.


If this is something new, it could also be salt buildup in the drum 
bearings - my neighbour's drum had this problem.


Our last sail on Jan 1st sounds similar to yours - bright sun, warm 
(10C, so warm for us), but winds were 25 building to 35 before we 
decided to turn back and sailed the harbour for a while instead. We 
hit 7.7 with the rail buried and just a 95 jib out. We ended up having 
to use the motor to tack after 3 attempts as the seas were 4-5' by 
that time and I didn't want to try a gybe in those winds. A bit more 
excitement than we were prepared for, but I'm sure glad we got out. 
Snow in the forecast next week, and we probably won't get out again 
for a month or so as I tackle the electrical.


--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com 
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 2:11 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat
water and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :)
Heading back to the marina the wind was increasing and when we
went to
roll the sail up, it was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and
folding it up like it was the 1970s or something. THE HORROR
Anyway, the line for the furler feels kind of old and crappy. Has
anyone
ever had the line jam itself inside the drum cover?

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree
January days


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Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Joe

Same here in RI 64 degrees, wind 20+ kts, only difference my boat is 
sitting in my side yard.


Don Kern
Fireball C 35 Mk2
Bristol RI



On 1/11/2020 5:10 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List wrote:
Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat 
water and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :) 
Heading back to the marina the wind was increasing and when we went to 
roll the sail up, it was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and 
folding it up like it was the 1970s or something. THE HORROR 
Anyway, the line for the furler feels kind of old and crappy. Has 
anyone ever had the line jam itself inside the drum cover?


Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree 
January days



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Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I struggled with jamming under various conditions on mine, and found the
following issues affected things, and when I pay attention to them, jams
are much less frequent. These may be obvious to you, but they weren't to
me... :)

1. Halyard tension - too tight makes it difficult to furl, and too loose
may result in halyard wrapping around the foil at the top.
2. Furling line not lead to centre of drum - offset will cause line to pile
up and cross itself leading to jams.
3. Not tailing the furling line to apply light pressure during unfurling -
too loose a line, especially if sail whips out too fast, can result in a
mess of line crossing itself on the spool. Maybe not an issue in light
winds, but a jammer for sure in a breeze.

If this is something new, it could also be salt buildup in the drum
bearings - my neighbour's drum had this problem.

Our last sail on Jan 1st sounds similar to yours - bright sun, warm (10C,
so warm for us), but winds were 25 building to 35 before we decided to turn
back and sailed the harbour for a while instead. We hit 7.7 with the rail
buried and just a 95 jib out. We ended up having to use the motor to tack
after 3 attempts as the seas were 4-5' by that time and I didn't want to
try a gybe in those winds. A bit more excitement than we were prepared for,
but I'm sure glad we got out. Snow in the forecast next week, and we
probably won't get out again for a month or so as I tackle the electrical.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 2:11 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat
> water and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :)
> Heading back to the marina the wind was increasing and when we went to
> roll the sail up, it was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and
> folding it up like it was the 1970s or something. THE HORROR
> Anyway, the line for the furler feels kind of old and crappy. Has anyone
> ever had the line jam itself inside the drum cover?
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree
> January days
>
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Re: Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Joe,

Yes — and it’s usually caused by letting the furler line go completely free 
when unfurling the sail. It should always be semi-taut when going in. 
Otherwise, bad wraps can happen. 

Also, now that your sail is down, be sure to fully lubricate the upper and 
lower drums. 

Your halyard wrapping up at the top may also be the issue. If so, look into 
installing a halyard diverter at the top of the mast. 

All the best, 

Edd

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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
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> On Jan 11, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 

Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat water and 
great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :) Heading back to the 
marina the wind was increasing and when we went to roll the sail up, it was not 
rolling :( We ended up dropping it and folding it up like it was the 1970s or 
something. THE HORROR Anyway, the line for the furler feels kind of old 
and crappy. Has anyone ever had the line jam itself inside the drum cover?

Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree January days


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Stus-List furling fail annoyance on a warm day

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Today was a GREAT day for sailing, 20+ from the south so we had flat 
water and great wind. We hit about 7.2 with just 2/3s of a jib :) 
Heading back to the marina the wind was increasing and when we went to 
roll the sail up, it was not rolling :( We ended up dropping it and 
folding it up like it was the 1970s or something. THE HORROR 
Anyway, the line for the furler feels kind of old and crappy. Has anyone 
ever had the line jam itself inside the drum cover?


Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I Kent Island MD - land of pleasant living and 65 degree 
January days



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Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

Tom,  I have a 1978 C 36.   My spreaders are attached directly to the mast 
via 4 machine screws.   Considering the fact that the bracket was removed from 
the mast I would recommend you get a rigger to take a look at it.   I’d also 
file with the insurance company as this should be covered and they can recover 
from the owner of the other boat.

I’m a rigger in the Norfolk VA area and am amazed that all the local yards 
allow boats to be hauled with sails on the boat.  I recommend to my clients 
that they tie of the furler at the drum.   Most drums are able to be secured 
that way so that the sail will not unfurl.   As a rule when I am leaving my 
boat for any amount of time and have a roller furler headsail on the boat I 
remove it.   Even in winter the UV will attack the sail and if the boat is not 
being used why keep it in the weather?


If you have any questions feel free to contact me off line;   
perfomancerigging.m...@gmail.com

Good luck,  

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



> On Jan 8, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Tom Alessi via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Went to check up on my boat the other day and found that my lower port 
> spreader bracket had been pulled off the mast, but still attached to 
> spreader.  Seems a nearby sailboat owner had not removed the jib and it came 
> unfurled during a storm and caught hold of the spreader boot. I can only 
> imagine it violently shaking my spreader and rig. With the bracket partially 
> off I can see a hole in the mast.
> - Is that some kind of access opening behind the bracket? Or is it worse than 
> that? I'm buried in the yard and the mast won't be down till spring.
> -If the bracket or spreader is destroyed, does anyone know of a source for 
> replacements?
> - Boat owner or Boatyard responsible?
> Appreciate any info.
>  
> Tom Alessi
> Andiamo C 36
> 646-283-1580
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Re: Stus-List Spurs Line Cutters - experience?

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

As result of a recent problem (pictures on my last blogpost) with a mass of 
seaweed (maybe eel grass) wrapped tightly around the base of my prop, I am 
considering the installation of spurs line cutters during my mid-summer 
haulout.  Does anyone have any advice based on their experience with spurs?

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The way I have to look at it is based on being on the hard from October to 
> May. If I was in the water like Josh 11/12 months or Bob 12/12, I wouldn’t 
> even look at it. It wouldn’t make sense to me either and simply is not 
> required. If you have ever checked on your boat and found water just under 
> the floor boards or quite possibly just over the floor boards frozen solid 
> you would understand why I have no problem properly installing one. It’s just 
> peace of mind. I think this hull penetration is much less a risk than the 
> others. Just count for yourself how many hull penetrations you have when you 
> include instruments, stuffing box and traditional thru hulls. I believe stock 
> I have 9 “holes” and the garboard plug is 10. It’s really a different mindset 
> based on a northern climate. Anyway glad I finally did it after 20 years so 
> we can travel where it’s warm without worry, that was the point of my 
> original post lol. 
> Len
> 
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