Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

[James Nichols via CnC-List]

Bruce,

Horseshoes are about the easiest for someone in the water to get themselves
into because they just dive over the open end and hang from it. Kind of like
floating on a pool noodle.  As someone else mentioned, they tend to be
light, so they don't fly well in a wind, or even without wind.  Mine has a
loop for attaching a rope so that you can get another try, haul the person
in, or circle around and pull the float to the person.  I think the rope
actually flies further than the horseshoe.  

Horseshoes and throwable cushions meet the minimum standards, but again, as
mentioned previously and don't tend to be much better than trying to throw a
life preserver.  It is something to throw out instantly along with the Man
Overboard Marker so that if the person is conscious and able to swim, they
can head for it and have something to grab onto while they are waiting for
you to deploy your other lifesaving tools or maneuver your way back in their
direction.

James

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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:55:18 + (UTC)
From: Bruce Whitmore 
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Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or
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So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.? Yet, I see lots of boats
with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.? 

Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?? 

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The commercial standards for throwables mean that you need a special
lifesling if that is the device of choice (Lifesling III = considerably
more expensive than a more simple ring buoy).  It's not so much what you
have that is credited to meet the requirements, it's what you have in
addition to the requirements.  I have throwable cushions, a mustang stick,
and a lifesling III, and countless fenders. I can tell you from experience
that the cushions tend to fly poorly - like a half functional boomerang -
and you only get one shot.  The sling can be slung a pretty good distance
and you can retry as often as you like before circling around.  The mustang
stick can be thrown easily the farthest but, as any inflatable device,
could fail to deploy and like other throwables only gives one shot and no
mechanism for retrieval.  As for using the lifesling to lift someone on
board, I have practiced using the main sheet with boom poled out.  It is a
challenge but it does work.  For any amount of incapacitation on the part
if the victim plan on sending a swimmer in the water to assist...at the
very least with attaching the purchase system to the sling.

I got my RYA and IYT certs and during that time I was introduced to the
"crash back - hove to" method and have practiced it with surprisingly good
results.  But this method limits your ability to perform the concentric
circles prescribed for the lifesling.

For lifting a victim, PS found that a long mooring line made to the bow
cleat and led back to the primary winch, with the catenary drooped in the
water, was the best method.  Bring the victim along the leeward side where
the catenary is waiting to provide stability.  Once stable the victim
stands or kneels on the line while stabilizing off a halyard, toe rail, or
other crewman's assistance.  The primary winch can then by tightened to
lift the victim on board.  PS also noted that a mechanism for lowering the
life lines may need to be considered.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 17:56 Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.  Yet, I see lots of boats
> with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.
>
> Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The life sling works very well, but we used the dinghy we were towing in the 
same way to save a guy last spring. I wrote it up in Lats and Atts a month or 
so ago. I also carry a Man Overboard Module, which I highly recommend.
Andy
Masquerade

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 18:18, Rod Stright via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Most Horseshoes are light, can’t be thrown in any wind and break apart with 
> any load on them.  Life rings are solid, strong and can be thrown 
> effectively, built to Safety of Life at Sea at Convention (SOLAS) standards 
> specified in the Life Saving Appliance (LSA) Code and satisfy Transport 
> Canada regulations specified in the Lifesaving Equipment Regulations.  Life 
> slings are built differently and used differently 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxqJkMsF-8  their major benefit is the 
> ability if used properly is to be able to hoist someone back aboard.
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Bruce Whitmore 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: March-02-20 6:55 PM
> To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners 
> Cc: Bruce Whitmore 
> Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or 
> cushion?
>  
> So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.  Yet, I see lots of boats with 
> horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings. 
>  
> Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? 
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Most Horseshoes are light, can’t be thrown in any wind and break apart with any 
load on them.  Life rings are solid, strong and can be thrown effectively, 
built to Safety of Life at Sea at Convention (SOLAS) standards specified in the 
Life Saving Appliance (LSA) Code and satisfy Transport Canada regulations 
specified in the Lifesaving Equipment Regulations.  Life slings are built 
differently and used differently   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxqJkMsF-8  their major benefit is the ability 
if used properly is to be able to hoist someone back aboard.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Bruce Whitmore via 
CnC-List
Sent: March-02-20 6:55 PM
To: Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners 
Cc: Bruce Whitmore 
Subject: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

 

So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.  Yet, I see lots of boats with 
horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.  

 

Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?  

 

Bruce Whitmore

1994 C 37/40+

"Astralis"

Madeira Beach, FL 

(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net  

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Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

If you buy the full Lifesling kit, it comes with a block and tackle to help 
pull a MOB back onto the boat.  In 6’ seas, don’t expect to use a swim ladder 
to bring a hypothermic 200lb man back on the boat, especially if you are the 
lone person left onboard.
Arguably, a ring buoy may be able to be thrown farther than the lifesling, but 
in each situation, the recovery method involves circling the swimmer to draw 
the recovery device to the person.
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram MA 

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> On Mar 2, 2020, at 6:02 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  Canada requires ring.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.  Yet, I see lots of boats 
>> with horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.  
>> 
>> Is there an inherent reason for one design over another? 
>> 
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> 1994 C 37/40+
>> "Astralis"
>> Madeira Beach, FL 
>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Canada requires ring.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List  
wrote:


So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.  Yet, I see lots of boats with 
horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.

Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Stus-List Dumb question of the day - life rings, horseshoe or cushion?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

So I have a lifesling and a throwable cushion.  Yet, I see lots of boats with 
horseshoes, and commercial boats with life rings.  

Is there an inherent reason for one design over another?  

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Stus-List Aargh. 33-2 Henderson bilge pump handle dimensions anyone?

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Largest diameter is .750 on my handles
Brad
Pulse C 33/2
Lake Huron

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Re: Stus-List Hydraulic Backstay - Best Fluid?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

AW 32 XL Hydraulic Oil.

 

SAILTEC, INC.

2930 CONGER COURT, OSHKOSH, WI 54904 USA

TEL: 920-233-4242 FAX: 920-233-8767

i...@sailtec.com

TO ADD OIL TO AN INTEGRAL ADJUSTER

 Sailtec recommends using a premium hydraulic oil, ISO 32 or lighter.

 Oil, fittings & tube must be clean.

 Fully extend piston rod.

 Disconnect outside oil line from the upper fitting/elbow.

 Fill a 3/8” piece of flexible hose (CLEAR is best) with ISO Grade 32 premium 
oil. Attach the clear

flexible hose to upper elbow (the 3/8” hose should push on to the 7/16” elbow 
threads).

Place the other end of hose in a reservoir of hydraulic oil. This line will act 
as a siphon so it needs to

be primed and free of most air.

 Connect a section of hose to the other (pump) elbow or stainless line and run 
it to a pan or bottle to

collect the overflow oil.

 Slowly retract/push the piston rod into cylinder. [Hint: This works best with 
the integral upside down.]

 When oil stops being drawn from reservoir, the cylinder is filled, if the 
siphon line is free of most air

bubbles. Reconnect the stainless line and pump system.

 If air bubbles are in the system it won’t hold pressure. If that happens, 
pull piston rod in and out a

few times. You may have to allow gravity to work air out.

CARTRIDGE VALVE ASSEMBLY INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS

 Line up hex nuts (one under knob, one on stem).

 Install knob on stem.

 Lubricate ‘O’ ring on tip.

 Turn the valve into the valve port: turn in very slowly, wiggle the body a 
little so ‘O’ rings find port,

slide into place.

 Tighten down securely with wrench.

Pressure (PSI) Reading and (#) Tension Cyl. Diameter Cyl. Bore

-08 size matches .6:1.00 psi 1.50” 1.002

-10 size matches 1:1.00 psi 1.75” 1.250

-12 size matches 1:1.30 psi 2.00” 1.500

-17 size matches 1:1.76 psi 2.25” 1.750

-22 size matches 1:2.20 psi 2.75” 2.000

 

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2020 8:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Hydraulic Backstay - Best Fluid?

 

Listers,

 

What is the best fluid to use in my Navtec Hydraulic Backstay? 

 

I see lots of chatter about viscosity and moisture inhibitors, but no real 
definitive answer. 

 

Anyone have a recommendation? 

All the best, 

 

Edd





———-

Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”

C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

www.StarshipSailing.com

———-

914.774.9767   | Mobile

———-

Sent via iPhone 11 Pro

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Re: Stus-List Hydraulic Backstay - Best Fluid?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

 This is from the Navtec/Lewmar website:

What kind of oil do I need for my Integral backstay adjuster, hydraulic
panel, or hydraulic cylinder?

Hydraulic oils used with Navtec equipment should be premium petroleum
based, antiwear oils that have anti-foam and anticorrosion additives. They
should have the following minimum properties: Viscosity grade of ISO 32,
viscosity index of 95, and a pour point of -10 degrees F (-20 degrees C).
Navtec recommends the following oils: Shell Tellus T15, Mobil DTE 11M,
Texaco Rando HD215 and Royal Purple Syndraulic 15.

I'm an Amsoil fan so I called the tech support guy and gave them the
specs.  IIRC, They found that their synthetic power steering fluid was the
one that matched.  Right, wrong, or otherwise, I've had no problem since.


Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD



On Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 20:00 Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Listers,
>
> What is the best fluid to use in my Navtec Hydraulic Backstay?
>
> I see lots of chatter about viscosity and moisture inhibitors, but no real
> definitive answer.
>
> Anyone have a recommendation?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
> ———-
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
> C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> www.StarshipSailing.com
> ———-
> 914.774.9767   | Mobile
> ———-
> Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize
>
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